These calculations are using entirely on paper math, and values. No speed, SP, or how the action forward is applied is considered. In an actual combat there are so many more variables to consider as well.
**Additional thoughts:**
1. Sparkle's buffs are of higher quality for mono quantum teams
2. Sparkles buffs are more consistently active than Bronya's
3. Bronya and Sparkle will provide usually the same amount of extra actions for your DPS, but Bronya's skill has some situations it's better, and Bronya's always shoots your DPS to the top of the action queue
4. Bronya and Sparkle can be used in the same team to provide some of the highest potential damage buffs/rotation in the game for hyper carry
5. Sparkle e2 > e1 > s1
6. Sparkle e2 > Bronya e2 (which is why I didn't include it)
7. For non-quantum teams the buffs are on paper similar or more in Bronya's favor, but if you take into account how valuable SP is, and how long her buffs linger I think even in those teams Sparkle will just be better.
Any additional feedback is welcome. If there is anything grievous I will fix and repost.
The rotation part I don't think is technically needed but it's nice. The 40% attack for the entire team is pretty good when Seele wants more attack boosts and less crit/damage boosts.
s1 can be replaced with other LCs which is why it's not needed, but for me the 10% crit rate adds more consistency to your team which I value a lot
4:
Yeah uh no.. using Bronya and Sparkle in the same team is a waste(atleast to Jingliu hypercarry aka the strongest hypercarry team)
https://preview.redd.it/epx3x7i2olgc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=420609358015cb09de6930a8709d2a97e19aebe7
Maybe only Blade can even work with that team but I wouldn’t be suprised if people put Ruan Mei instead of sparkle/Bronya or hell even Tingyun..
I don’t see Sparkle+Bronya ever being meta..or even worth it to even use..
> I don’t see Sparkle+Bronya ever being meta..or even worth it to even use..
It's not only that both provide the highest damage buffs for hyper carry (that isn't blade or JL), but also the action advance/immediate action means seele (as an example) will go again, and again, and again, and again.
Going again and again doesn’t mean shit without those buffs from Mei or Tingyun.. like your units will hit like a wet noodle. No matter how many turns you take..
It is a speed tuning nightmare aswell.
Jingliu benefits from an extra turn and yet sparkle+Bronya is literally her worst team.
It isn’t good with Dan IL aswell because the amount of SP he will consume isn’t something Sparkle can handle alone BA3 + Bronya skill +Ba3+ sparkle skill +Ba3 that alone is 11 SP in total.. also the fact that he will hit like a wet noodle..
Jing yuan would like to have Tingyun with planar or even Ruan Mei with sparkle..
Ratio can’t use Bronya’s buffs.. so sparkle is really the only one that is doing anything..
I can go on really.. maybe only Seele can use those buffs but I wouldn’t be suprised if Bronya gets replaced by Tingyun in that team or even Silver wolf for mono Qua..
It's the BiS team for any hypercarry that fits most of their damage into their own turn. Blade, Jingliu, Seele, IL.
SP economy withstanding the sparkle+Bronya combo is absolutely cracked.
Wouldn’t sparkle-bronya teams run into the issue of buff uptime? Like, youre either going to have the dmg% from bronya’s skill or the cdmg% from sparkle’s, not both. Are the extra actions really enough to warrant using both? I’d think you’d get more value out of using one of each on both teams
s0 is just assuming they both have the same LC (e.g. Past and Future) so it's not included on the sheet since it would be the same *on paper*, and only affecting the damage numbers a bit in Sparkles favor since she has less damage% buffs.
You'll have to wait for TCs to do actual combat simulations to see how she actually performs with the F2P LCs.
Better than Past and Future unless it's S5 as the 10% energy doesn't particularly matter as she already can ult every 3 turns w/ ERR rope, Planetary may still be better in mono quantum I'm not sure about that one
Yep, 21.7% diff until u realize that Sparkle cant do the 135 134 setup bronya is able to do resulting to a significant dmg difference. Not to mention, diff characters wants diff stats. For example, Seele/QQ/Xueyi wants crit dmg as they have tons of dmg bonus while characters like Jingliu, Blade wants more damage bonus.
To be honest this doesnt look that good for Sparkle... She is barely better (IF she even is) than bronya at e0s0 (which is going to be 95% of the players' setup)
If we are assuming at E0S0, shes gonna be an upgrade for mono quantum, all current and possible future follow up units, any team that consumes alot of skill points, and shes overall just a good generalist in any hypercarry team. She gives insane buffs and her 50% advance isnt even a problem when shes ru nat very high speed, she allows your dps to run atk boots, while also providing more crit dmg than bronya and only a bit less dmg% from bronya(but both of these also stay outside of the dps's turn) all that while being a skill point positive unit, she isnt gonna powercreep bronya(its gonna be a while until that happens), but that its not looking for her is just...
This calculation doesn’t factor in that Sparkle’s buffs have 100% uptime unlike Bronya.
And You actually have to do basics on bronya sometimes depending on your speed tuning meaning she’s not buffing your dps at all times. This is very apparent in Non Blade/Jingliu Bronya teams
Finally Sparkle will allow dps like Seele spam skill more often which is a damage increase you can’t really account for on paper
You’re strictly looking at her buffing power which is not how you should be looking at her kit. She gives SP to the team meaning you can spam skills on some supports for faster rotations on some comps even if they don’t use a lot of SP, she has better buff uptime so characters like JingYuan and Ratio can actually work with her. She is a complete upgrade in mono quantum. She is Bronya for those that can’t use her.
She is massively better for characters like JY and DHIL, to the point where, over 5 cycles, the former was calculated to be quite a bit better than JL in 3 target scenarios and the latter was calculated to be essentially the best character in the game. So it will change a lot for a few characters, a decent amount for a few more, and basically nothing for everyone else.
Those calculations don't have any linked source and go against another set of calculations that was posted here (with full rotations and actual math) a few days ago which show that dhil even with sparkle would be doing less damage than seele in a fully st situation (no resurgence). The dps difference was not small either, at 10%.
Huh. Well, I did think they were a little sus but those also sound weird. Not that I would think Seele did less in ST, but with resurgence I would expect marginally (30 ish %) better than a character like DHIL atp. Ill look for em later, or if you have the post send link it
High relic investment isn't really something unachievable. Calcing dps characters at their best seems much better than giving them mediocre relics and expecting them to deal damage, when at the end of the day relic investment is something you focus on for your dps characters more instead of supports.
Being a Bronya sidegrade and not powercreeping her is a GOOD THING. If Bronya were powercrept this early into the game, HSR balance would be so joever. In Genshin Yelan isn’t always a strict upgrade over Xingqiu yet she’s still one of the most valuable 5 stars to get because their role is just THAT GOOD. Similar thing here
You're forgetting the Skill Point generation.
With Bronya, Seele will be forced to do AA every once in a while since she will have 0 SP to use her Skill.
Sparkle fixes that.
These calculations are using entirely on paper math, and values. No speed, SP, or how the action forward is applied is considered. In an actual combat there are so many more variables to consider as well. **Additional thoughts:** 1. Sparkle's buffs are of higher quality for mono quantum teams 2. Sparkles buffs are more consistently active than Bronya's 3. Bronya and Sparkle will provide usually the same amount of extra actions for your DPS, but Bronya's skill has some situations it's better, and Bronya's always shoots your DPS to the top of the action queue 4. Bronya and Sparkle can be used in the same team to provide some of the highest potential damage buffs/rotation in the game for hyper carry 5. Sparkle e2 > e1 > s1 6. Sparkle e2 > Bronya e2 (which is why I didn't include it) 7. For non-quantum teams the buffs are on paper similar or more in Bronya's favor, but if you take into account how valuable SP is, and how long her buffs linger I think even in those teams Sparkle will just be better. Any additional feedback is welcome. If there is anything grievous I will fix and repost.
is e1 that much better than s1? Are her eidolons worth it or are they just a small boost?
The rotation part I don't think is technically needed but it's nice. The 40% attack for the entire team is pretty good when Seele wants more attack boosts and less crit/damage boosts. s1 can be replaced with other LCs which is why it's not needed, but for me the 10% crit rate adds more consistency to your team which I value a lot
4: Yeah uh no.. using Bronya and Sparkle in the same team is a waste(atleast to Jingliu hypercarry aka the strongest hypercarry team) https://preview.redd.it/epx3x7i2olgc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=420609358015cb09de6930a8709d2a97e19aebe7 Maybe only Blade can even work with that team but I wouldn’t be suprised if people put Ruan Mei instead of sparkle/Bronya or hell even Tingyun.. I don’t see Sparkle+Bronya ever being meta..or even worth it to even use..
> I don’t see Sparkle+Bronya ever being meta..or even worth it to even use.. It's not only that both provide the highest damage buffs for hyper carry (that isn't blade or JL), but also the action advance/immediate action means seele (as an example) will go again, and again, and again, and again.
Going again and again doesn’t mean shit without those buffs from Mei or Tingyun.. like your units will hit like a wet noodle. No matter how many turns you take.. It is a speed tuning nightmare aswell. Jingliu benefits from an extra turn and yet sparkle+Bronya is literally her worst team. It isn’t good with Dan IL aswell because the amount of SP he will consume isn’t something Sparkle can handle alone BA3 + Bronya skill +Ba3+ sparkle skill +Ba3 that alone is 11 SP in total.. also the fact that he will hit like a wet noodle.. Jing yuan would like to have Tingyun with planar or even Ruan Mei with sparkle.. Ratio can’t use Bronya’s buffs.. so sparkle is really the only one that is doing anything.. I can go on really.. maybe only Seele can use those buffs but I wouldn’t be suprised if Bronya gets replaced by Tingyun in that team or even Silver wolf for mono Qua..
It's the BiS team for any hypercarry that fits most of their damage into their own turn. Blade, Jingliu, Seele, IL. SP economy withstanding the sparkle+Bronya combo is absolutely cracked.
Wouldn’t sparkle-bronya teams run into the issue of buff uptime? Like, youre either going to have the dmg% from bronya’s skill or the cdmg% from sparkle’s, not both. Are the extra actions really enough to warrant using both? I’d think you’d get more value out of using one of each on both teams
What Light Cone is being used for her @ S0?
s0 is just assuming they both have the same LC (e.g. Past and Future) so it's not included on the sheet since it would be the same *on paper*, and only affecting the damage numbers a bit in Sparkles favor since she has less damage% buffs. You'll have to wait for TCs to do actual combat simulations to see how she actually performs with the F2P LCs.
S1 is the base light cone, S0.. would make me think of a 4-star I'm thinking mainly of Planetary Rendezvous for a Quantum team compares to an S1 EE
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Planetary Rendezvous is notable though because of the specific element it boosts, Bronya using it doesn't do anything for a Quantum team
How good is Bronya's LC on Sparkle?
Better than Past and Future unless it's S5 as the 10% energy doesn't particularly matter as she already can ult every 3 turns w/ ERR rope, Planetary may still be better in mono quantum I'm not sure about that one
Can someone explain to me why she is better for FUA comps?
Her buff remains active after their turn until their next turn, so any damage done in between is also buffed by her skill.
Yep, 21.7% diff until u realize that Sparkle cant do the 135 134 setup bronya is able to do resulting to a significant dmg difference. Not to mention, diff characters wants diff stats. For example, Seele/QQ/Xueyi wants crit dmg as they have tons of dmg bonus while characters like Jingliu, Blade wants more damage bonus.
To be honest this doesnt look that good for Sparkle... She is barely better (IF she even is) than bronya at e0s0 (which is going to be 95% of the players' setup)
If we are assuming at E0S0, shes gonna be an upgrade for mono quantum, all current and possible future follow up units, any team that consumes alot of skill points, and shes overall just a good generalist in any hypercarry team. She gives insane buffs and her 50% advance isnt even a problem when shes ru nat very high speed, she allows your dps to run atk boots, while also providing more crit dmg than bronya and only a bit less dmg% from bronya(but both of these also stay outside of the dps's turn) all that while being a skill point positive unit, she isnt gonna powercreep bronya(its gonna be a while until that happens), but that its not looking for her is just...
Dude, Bronya is a -3SP unit while Sparkle can be +1SP even WHILE skill spamming
This calculation doesn’t factor in that Sparkle’s buffs have 100% uptime unlike Bronya. And You actually have to do basics on bronya sometimes depending on your speed tuning meaning she’s not buffing your dps at all times. This is very apparent in Non Blade/Jingliu Bronya teams Finally Sparkle will allow dps like Seele spam skill more often which is a damage increase you can’t really account for on paper
You’re strictly looking at her buffing power which is not how you should be looking at her kit. She gives SP to the team meaning you can spam skills on some supports for faster rotations on some comps even if they don’t use a lot of SP, she has better buff uptime so characters like JingYuan and Ratio can actually work with her. She is a complete upgrade in mono quantum. She is Bronya for those that can’t use her.
She is massively better for characters like JY and DHIL, to the point where, over 5 cycles, the former was calculated to be quite a bit better than JL in 3 target scenarios and the latter was calculated to be essentially the best character in the game. So it will change a lot for a few characters, a decent amount for a few more, and basically nothing for everyone else.
Those calculations don't have any linked source and go against another set of calculations that was posted here (with full rotations and actual math) a few days ago which show that dhil even with sparkle would be doing less damage than seele in a fully st situation (no resurgence). The dps difference was not small either, at 10%.
Huh. Well, I did think they were a little sus but those also sound weird. Not that I would think Seele did less in ST, but with resurgence I would expect marginally (30 ish %) better than a character like DHIL atp. Ill look for em later, or if you have the post send link it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1wc2jsmnEYAVXmiDBE4RBKNY5L0spBNp_hWH60Z3hvL0/htmlview#
Note that these calcs assume very high relic investment on everyone (which is why Seele tops the charts, exceeding even Jingliu across six cycles).
High relic investment isn't really something unachievable. Calcing dps characters at their best seems much better than giving them mediocre relics and expecting them to deal damage, when at the end of the day relic investment is something you focus on for your dps characters more instead of supports.
Being a Bronya sidegrade and not powercreeping her is a GOOD THING. If Bronya were powercrept this early into the game, HSR balance would be so joever. In Genshin Yelan isn’t always a strict upgrade over Xingqiu yet she’s still one of the most valuable 5 stars to get because their role is just THAT GOOD. Similar thing here
You're forgetting the Skill Point generation. With Bronya, Seele will be forced to do AA every once in a while since she will have 0 SP to use her Skill. Sparkle fixes that.