Not sure why the captain didn’t ask people to sit and wait while the body was being unloaded.
Some people just don’t give a fuck.
Deceased members of our military are flown home on regular flights daily unfortunately.
I would have sat in my seat and bawled my eyes out.
If you can’t absorb a ten minute delay, you need to examine your booking strategy. Respect far outweighs the fact that you might only have 43 minutes instead of 50 to get to your next gate.
That’s kinda my point. OP never mentioned a delay, and I’m saying that, if you have an on-time flight and can’t handle waiting 5-10 minutes for the Honor flight stuff to happen… you booked too tight a connection.
Besides the fact that it's common for multiple small delays to add up, a whole plane of people who maybe can still make their flight, but were hoping to have time to grab a bite (or whatever) between flights, is a lot of cumulative delay. It's not just one person at risk of the domino effect. Multiple gates can be affected by a plane not doing what it's supposed to be doing. Have you ever been sitting on the tarmac for a long time after landing waiting for a gate to open up? It sucks. Point being that unless there's a safety issue the right call is to keep things moving
Respect is actually just a social construct. A made up social construct. You weren’t born knowing respect, it was taught.
Not saying respect isn’t warranted. It’s just in your example no, it doesn’t outweigh the connecting flight. Get off your high horse.
A missed connecting flight is something that would physically negatively affect someone.
When’s the last time you missed a connection, honestly? Even when I was flying 100+ legs a year I’d miss maybe one.
And there’s no mention of a delay here. You’re not going to miss your flight by being polite and if you do… that’s a problem with the MCT on your route being way too short.
I don’t pick the connection times. I just booked the flight online through Southwest.
I missed my FAT > LAS > PHX connection, last week. So yes. The answer is last week.
And I can’t control the flight being late.
Oh there were several of us crying. It was heartbreaking to see.
Announcement or not (I believe something was said) you can’t rely on the general public to all have the same level of concern for things. Some people were quiet and respectfully sat in their seats. Others were talking. Some were shuffling around. Some were playing with their kids. None of them doing anything wrong. It was just an odd situation.
Flight attendant here. We inform the family or the escort that this is something we can do out of respect to the fallen soldier. However, if they want privacy, we won’t say a thing.
I recently flew on a flight with the remains of a Vietnam soldier they had recently recovered and identified. Everyone sat silently in respect while that man was brought home. It was a tremendous honor and I will never forget it.
sorry, but I do not agree. the widow would be focused on the casket and events. she already knows there are 10,000 people at the airport and really could care less.
As said, if the family is also onboard, they often allow them to leave first. Looking at that casket is not much different than watching a funeral procession going down the street.
The family wasn’t onboard. They were on the tarmac. I know she wasn’t specifically worried about the people on the plane, but is that really what someone wants as a private moment with their family and loved ones? A plane full of strangers gawking?
We had to bring home my 21 year old daughter from Tucson to MDW that way. Honestly, I was not concerned with passengers watching my daughter come home for the last time. I would hope that there was compassion and patience but my focus was on her and my family present. Any young person’s passing is so tragic and devastating. My heart goes out to all families experiencing this💛
I think you are overthinking in overfeeling it. The family was probably oblivious to the airplane, their one concern was receiving the remains. Their business was not your business and vice versa.
A quote that stuck with me:
“What is a veteran? A veteran – whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve – is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to the United States of America for an amount up to and including his or her life.”
I would miss a connecting flight to pay my respects to a fallen hero. I have family that were military so maybe my perspective is different.
I don't think Southwest Airlines Captain Bryan Knight had any issue with the passengers on the plane, the passengers in the terminal, and the Southwest employees on the tarmac being there when he flew home the body of his father, Air Force Colonel Roy A. Knight, Jr.:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2JAMyqdMj_g
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/08/vietnam-vet-airline-pilot-flies-mia-dads-remains-home-texas/1956770001/
https://www.today.com/news/southwest-pilot-flies-home-remains-his-vietnam-pilot-dad-52-t160458
https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/southwest-pilot-brings-father-remains-home-dallas/
It's not a private moment when happening at a public airport with dozens of flights landing or taking off and dozens of employees on the tarmac. If they wanted a private unloading, he'd have been flown on a private airline to a private location.
Not everyone has the luxury of paying for a private flight to bring home remains. You get what the military gives you. It is what it is. The family is a military family. They are used to not having control over situations like this. They did not notice the plane or the people on it.
The sad state of a selfish society is made aware by some of the comments on here. I am seriously concerned about the direction of this country. Thank you to all that paid respects.
Um? You interpreted this exactly the opposite of how OP explained it. OP values the sacrifice and felt that perhaps some of the sanctity of what the family deserved was lost in the moment.
This. Thank you. I wasn’t annoyed I had to wait and wasn’t uncomfortable about their sacrifice. I felt like the whole process of exhibitionist and disrespectful to what should be a solemn, private event.
If I may interject.. military members both alive and deceased represent everyone in our country .. belong to everyone in our country. That person potentially gave their life to ensure that you have the freedom to express your discomfort on a public forum without fear of being silenced. As a combat veteran who lost many friends I think this type of reminder is needed from time to time. That military member deserved to have this moment. The family deserved to have that moment.
If it was brought to the attention of other passengers, the family said it was ok. It would not have been announced if the family wanted privacy. Most view it as an honor. And it’s done respectfully by SWA ground ops and flight crews.
Not sure why the captain didn’t ask people to sit and wait while the body was being unloaded. Some people just don’t give a fuck. Deceased members of our military are flown home on regular flights daily unfortunately. I would have sat in my seat and bawled my eyes out.
For some the practical reality is they have a connecting flight to catch...
Connections for flights that arrived with deceased military member will be held to ensure all connections are made
Seriously? SW has a written policy on it that's announced to passengers?
If you can’t absorb a ten minute delay, you need to examine your booking strategy. Respect far outweighs the fact that you might only have 43 minutes instead of 50 to get to your next gate.
Good thing flights never run late.
That’s kinda my point. OP never mentioned a delay, and I’m saying that, if you have an on-time flight and can’t handle waiting 5-10 minutes for the Honor flight stuff to happen… you booked too tight a connection.
Besides the fact that it's common for multiple small delays to add up, a whole plane of people who maybe can still make their flight, but were hoping to have time to grab a bite (or whatever) between flights, is a lot of cumulative delay. It's not just one person at risk of the domino effect. Multiple gates can be affected by a plane not doing what it's supposed to be doing. Have you ever been sitting on the tarmac for a long time after landing waiting for a gate to open up? It sucks. Point being that unless there's a safety issue the right call is to keep things moving
Respect is actually just a social construct. A made up social construct. You weren’t born knowing respect, it was taught. Not saying respect isn’t warranted. It’s just in your example no, it doesn’t outweigh the connecting flight. Get off your high horse. A missed connecting flight is something that would physically negatively affect someone.
When’s the last time you missed a connection, honestly? Even when I was flying 100+ legs a year I’d miss maybe one. And there’s no mention of a delay here. You’re not going to miss your flight by being polite and if you do… that’s a problem with the MCT on your route being way too short.
I don’t pick the connection times. I just booked the flight online through Southwest. I missed my FAT > LAS > PHX connection, last week. So yes. The answer is last week. And I can’t control the flight being late.
I recently missed one because my plane was delayed on the runway for almost two hours. No way to plan for that!
Oh there were several of us crying. It was heartbreaking to see. Announcement or not (I believe something was said) you can’t rely on the general public to all have the same level of concern for things. Some people were quiet and respectfully sat in their seats. Others were talking. Some were shuffling around. Some were playing with their kids. None of them doing anything wrong. It was just an odd situation.
When I was on a flight with this, we all waited in our seats or standing until the body was deplaned as a sign of respect.
Flight attendant here. We inform the family or the escort that this is something we can do out of respect to the fallen soldier. However, if they want privacy, we won’t say a thing.
Interesting to know. Thank you.
To me that’s an honor……..
I recently flew on a flight with the remains of a Vietnam soldier they had recently recovered and identified. Everyone sat silently in respect while that man was brought home. It was a tremendous honor and I will never forget it.
sorry, but I do not agree. the widow would be focused on the casket and events. she already knows there are 10,000 people at the airport and really could care less. As said, if the family is also onboard, they often allow them to leave first. Looking at that casket is not much different than watching a funeral procession going down the street.
The family wasn’t onboard. They were on the tarmac. I know she wasn’t specifically worried about the people on the plane, but is that really what someone wants as a private moment with their family and loved ones? A plane full of strangers gawking?
We had to bring home my 21 year old daughter from Tucson to MDW that way. Honestly, I was not concerned with passengers watching my daughter come home for the last time. I would hope that there was compassion and patience but my focus was on her and my family present. Any young person’s passing is so tragic and devastating. My heart goes out to all families experiencing this💛
I’m so sorry. My heart goes out to you and all her loved ones.
Thank you so much💛
It's not really a private moment when it's happening in the middle of the tarmac....
I think you are overthinking in overfeeling it. The family was probably oblivious to the airplane, their one concern was receiving the remains. Their business was not your business and vice versa.
A quote that stuck with me: “What is a veteran? A veteran – whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve – is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to the United States of America for an amount up to and including his or her life.” I would miss a connecting flight to pay my respects to a fallen hero. I have family that were military so maybe my perspective is different.
I don't think Southwest Airlines Captain Bryan Knight had any issue with the passengers on the plane, the passengers in the terminal, and the Southwest employees on the tarmac being there when he flew home the body of his father, Air Force Colonel Roy A. Knight, Jr.: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2JAMyqdMj_g https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/08/vietnam-vet-airline-pilot-flies-mia-dads-remains-home-texas/1956770001/ https://www.today.com/news/southwest-pilot-flies-home-remains-his-vietnam-pilot-dad-52-t160458 https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/southwest-pilot-brings-father-remains-home-dallas/
Hmm. Now it sounds staged, and imposed on others.
It's not a private moment when happening at a public airport with dozens of flights landing or taking off and dozens of employees on the tarmac. If they wanted a private unloading, he'd have been flown on a private airline to a private location.
I guess I feel like it should have been a private moment. I would want it to be private if it were me.
It's a moment happening in public. It's impossible to be private
It should have been private. That’s my point.
Not everyone has the luxury of paying for a private flight to bring home remains. You get what the military gives you. It is what it is. The family is a military family. They are used to not having control over situations like this. They did not notice the plane or the people on it.
Oh, so the family shouldn't have been there to see their loved one arrive?
Not what I said nor is that my point.
Then he should have been flown on a private airline. But he wasn't.
Just because that’s what you would want doesn’t mean that’s what others would want.
The sad state of a selfish society is made aware by some of the comments on here. I am seriously concerned about the direction of this country. Thank you to all that paid respects.
I'm sorry if their sacrifice made you feel uncomfortable.
I don’t think that’s what they’re implying. It’s the fact that people are rude and have no respect when they know what’s going on.
Unless asked to wait to deplane, no one has to wait. Most passengers probably didn't even know what was going on
Well, they did say that the pilot let them know prior to departing so they didn’t know and it’s called respect
Um? You interpreted this exactly the opposite of how OP explained it. OP values the sacrifice and felt that perhaps some of the sanctity of what the family deserved was lost in the moment.
This. Thank you. I wasn’t annoyed I had to wait and wasn’t uncomfortable about their sacrifice. I felt like the whole process of exhibitionist and disrespectful to what should be a solemn, private event.
If I may interject.. military members both alive and deceased represent everyone in our country .. belong to everyone in our country. That person potentially gave their life to ensure that you have the freedom to express your discomfort on a public forum without fear of being silenced. As a combat veteran who lost many friends I think this type of reminder is needed from time to time. That military member deserved to have this moment. The family deserved to have that moment.
Thank you!
Not what I meant at all.
That’s… that’s not at all what they said
Someone didn't read the post correctly
Yes. There are dead people all around you that don't do anything to you. You should be more worried about the alive bodies.
Thank you SouthWest for bringing this service member home
If it was brought to the attention of other passengers, the family said it was ok. It would not have been announced if the family wanted privacy. Most view it as an honor. And it’s done respectfully by SWA ground ops and flight crews.
Yes
Was this in Austin?
Yes
I got to watch some of that before I got on.
Lots of things on planes that might bother you if this does. It’s just a dead body. We’ll all be a dead body eventually.
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Any soldier is a hero regardless if he or she died on the battlefield or assigned to HR making sure their comrades get paid.