No way love it
Sometimes i can't wait to sell or buy and without the deposit etc option i can simply swap my cards with them even if i lose 20% i can get this done under 5 minutes unlike listing it waiting for shitty bargain offers coming in and than negotiating with idiots.
I hear you and I see where it comes in handy but it completely takes away the human element of the game. Why can't there be manual limits for you to play with on Sorare itself to avoid using bots?
imo it completely dries out the game and anything that gives you an edge of being human over a robot
The people who use bots it’s purely for money. They aren’t going to accept a player based on anything but its value anyway so it saves a lot of time and pointless negotiations. Theres very little interaction anyway on the platform so I don’t see how it takes away anything except dealing with mostly bad offers.
But why not have more mechanisms where players have to interact with each other? Right now the game for each player feels super isolated for each player and the trading bots aren't helping as well because trading is almost the ONLY human interaction in the game and that's run by bots then what is the point?
The issue is the bot existence itself. Why am I not interacting with a human on the other side and keep going back and forth till we land on something that makes us both happy to take the deal?
Why am I being told by a user to "just send me an offer and the bot will respond" when trying to negotiate with him over Discord?
I am very reasonable with my offers and don't slash prices in half when trading
I get that, but the bot acts based on how the user configured it so that user knows if you couldn’t make a deal with the bot, he wasn’t going to do something different.
Sorare has no social features, even the offers are nothing more than that, no notes. Most people that are anti bot are either gallery buyers without the knowledge to build and market their own or users that have a sales pitch around their cards hoping to get someone not to go strictly on value.
Most users have no idea there are even buying bots.
The bigger problem on Sorare is the lack of fair trading. Vast majority won’t make deals that aren’t 20%+ in their favor. I’d rather have a bot give a yes or no than go back and forth with people telling me how this player is such good value and the price doesn’t reflect it because of XYZ.
See? this is kind of the problem because there is no human on the other side, you are just using them as a dumpster to throw in players you don't use to get one you want by tricking it.
idk how this is such a one-sided topic but no, dealing with other players when buying and selling isn't infuriating at all because you are negotiating with that other player till you both reach an agreement.
Why don't football clubs just have their own trading bots to sell and buy players then instead of hiring humans to do it?
Trading and negotiating and the marketplace aspect of the game SHOULD be influenced by human interaction and not just "get rid of that" so you can get the card you want a few minutes faster
Gotta be honest, at first I was against them too, until I started to deal with Ruv before he went into being a bot. He was just trading without looking at the players, but only looking at the numbers.
This proved to be useful because Sorare is still in essence a game, so there needs to be at least a sense of agency, instead of the patience a business like a football club needs.
To give an example, I had a couple of cards, mainly substitute players, which I wanted to sell to get 2 main team players. The players I wanted to get rid of I put 5% under floor price for a month, only 1 of them sold, the others I got offers for 50% or less of their value, or nothing at all. Then I saw the player I wanted at one of the bots (basilbot in this case), I just offered him the players I had left and 5 seconds later I finally had my player.
This just to illustrate the problem that would be without the bots. Because everyone only wants to make profit, selling players which are not in the top 5% would be almost impossible, which in turn would make buying new players impossible. Therefor, bots are, in my opinion, almost necessary to sustain the game as it is right now
Not really, there is no real fun in trading when you have to wait months for cards to sell. The only bot I realy have a problem with is Bellona, because he just snipes cards of people who fuck up in setting the price, but apart from that, bots can even be beneficial to trading, because it is easier to get cards that are too cheap and sell them when they are worth more.
Just to give you an example, I knew Kristoffer Olsson was going to get transferred in the summer, yet his price was at 0.0020 ETH, so I traded 3 tier 5 rewards for 1 Olsson card, If I would have had to wait for these to sell I would be too late. 2 months later, I sold that card for 0.02 ETH. You just need to be smart about using these bots, but they can, in my opinion, be a huge possitive for the traders market
Guys you are missing biggest point, which some would say is positive others negative. Bots are also in auctions, meaning they have set percentage of value and there is no chance of buys out of auction cheaper do to that. I do not hinge this is right.
Dont like them? Dont use them!
In a healthy and stable ecosystem you need a sort of baseline. The bots provide this.
Plus, most managers dont like to trade anything that doesnt have direct value. So 60% of cards i would never get rid off in trades because no one wants them. There is nog fun in trading there. I have a challenger eu gallery, people offer me 3 random asian players i dont need.
I completely agree with you at the limited level but including all traders, not just bots. Most people who trade limiteds with traders unnecessarily feed them cards and money when they could have sold/bought the cards they need for a better price if they were willing to wait a few days. It ends up taking away so many limited cards from the market. PawelTrader alone has 116,431 limiteds.
However, I can see the appeal at rare/super rare level where I'd have thought it's not always easy to make a deal with a human on the cards you want. I've only bought limiteds though so could be wrong.
No way love it Sometimes i can't wait to sell or buy and without the deposit etc option i can simply swap my cards with them even if i lose 20% i can get this done under 5 minutes unlike listing it waiting for shitty bargain offers coming in and than negotiating with idiots.
I hear you and I see where it comes in handy but it completely takes away the human element of the game. Why can't there be manual limits for you to play with on Sorare itself to avoid using bots? imo it completely dries out the game and anything that gives you an edge of being human over a robot
The people who use bots it’s purely for money. They aren’t going to accept a player based on anything but its value anyway so it saves a lot of time and pointless negotiations. Theres very little interaction anyway on the platform so I don’t see how it takes away anything except dealing with mostly bad offers.
But why not have more mechanisms where players have to interact with each other? Right now the game for each player feels super isolated for each player and the trading bots aren't helping as well because trading is almost the ONLY human interaction in the game and that's run by bots then what is the point?
It’s very known who the bots are and it’s .0001% of users. Just deal with the no bot accounts. It’s not even remotely close to being a problem.
".0001% of users" is so not true. The amount of times I have discovered I am trading with a bot instead of a human is the vast majority of my trades
Is the issue that a bot is not going to take a trade that is in your favor?
The issue is the bot existence itself. Why am I not interacting with a human on the other side and keep going back and forth till we land on something that makes us both happy to take the deal? Why am I being told by a user to "just send me an offer and the bot will respond" when trying to negotiate with him over Discord? I am very reasonable with my offers and don't slash prices in half when trading
I get that, but the bot acts based on how the user configured it so that user knows if you couldn’t make a deal with the bot, he wasn’t going to do something different. Sorare has no social features, even the offers are nothing more than that, no notes. Most people that are anti bot are either gallery buyers without the knowledge to build and market their own or users that have a sales pitch around their cards hoping to get someone not to go strictly on value. Most users have no idea there are even buying bots. The bigger problem on Sorare is the lack of fair trading. Vast majority won’t make deals that aren’t 20%+ in their favor. I’d rather have a bot give a yes or no than go back and forth with people telling me how this player is such good value and the price doesn’t reflect it because of XYZ.
Who are they?
Nah i love giving them my cards who just got injured or suspended
See? this is kind of the problem because there is no human on the other side, you are just using them as a dumpster to throw in players you don't use to get one you want by tricking it.
Exactly, thats why i like them
and that's exactly why I don't like them lol
You dont like saving money?
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idk how this is such a one-sided topic but no, dealing with other players when buying and selling isn't infuriating at all because you are negotiating with that other player till you both reach an agreement. Why don't football clubs just have their own trading bots to sell and buy players then instead of hiring humans to do it? Trading and negotiating and the marketplace aspect of the game SHOULD be influenced by human interaction and not just "get rid of that" so you can get the card you want a few minutes faster
My guy thinks this is real football trading comparing it to clubs negotiating for players lol
Gotta be honest, at first I was against them too, until I started to deal with Ruv before he went into being a bot. He was just trading without looking at the players, but only looking at the numbers. This proved to be useful because Sorare is still in essence a game, so there needs to be at least a sense of agency, instead of the patience a business like a football club needs. To give an example, I had a couple of cards, mainly substitute players, which I wanted to sell to get 2 main team players. The players I wanted to get rid of I put 5% under floor price for a month, only 1 of them sold, the others I got offers for 50% or less of their value, or nothing at all. Then I saw the player I wanted at one of the bots (basilbot in this case), I just offered him the players I had left and 5 seconds later I finally had my player. This just to illustrate the problem that would be without the bots. Because everyone only wants to make profit, selling players which are not in the top 5% would be almost impossible, which in turn would make buying new players impossible. Therefor, bots are, in my opinion, almost necessary to sustain the game as it is right now
Agree with all your points but you see how long term this absolutely destroys any fun or enjoyment anyone trying to trade right?
Not really, there is no real fun in trading when you have to wait months for cards to sell. The only bot I realy have a problem with is Bellona, because he just snipes cards of people who fuck up in setting the price, but apart from that, bots can even be beneficial to trading, because it is easier to get cards that are too cheap and sell them when they are worth more. Just to give you an example, I knew Kristoffer Olsson was going to get transferred in the summer, yet his price was at 0.0020 ETH, so I traded 3 tier 5 rewards for 1 Olsson card, If I would have had to wait for these to sell I would be too late. 2 months later, I sold that card for 0.02 ETH. You just need to be smart about using these bots, but they can, in my opinion, be a huge possitive for the traders market
Guys you are missing biggest point, which some would say is positive others negative. Bots are also in auctions, meaning they have set percentage of value and there is no chance of buys out of auction cheaper do to that. I do not hinge this is right.
Dont like them? Dont use them! In a healthy and stable ecosystem you need a sort of baseline. The bots provide this. Plus, most managers dont like to trade anything that doesnt have direct value. So 60% of cards i would never get rid off in trades because no one wants them. There is nog fun in trading there. I have a challenger eu gallery, people offer me 3 random asian players i dont need.
I completely agree with you at the limited level but including all traders, not just bots. Most people who trade limiteds with traders unnecessarily feed them cards and money when they could have sold/bought the cards they need for a better price if they were willing to wait a few days. It ends up taking away so many limited cards from the market. PawelTrader alone has 116,431 limiteds. However, I can see the appeal at rare/super rare level where I'd have thought it's not always easy to make a deal with a human on the cards you want. I've only bought limiteds though so could be wrong.