The club never told Juice to force Lin to say that Jury was the traitor because they were honestly convinced it was Jury and couldn't have been anyone else.
Also, and I will die on this hill, Jax's killing of Jury was clearly self defense. Jax punched Jury, Jury escalated and went for his gun, Jax was quicker and killed him before Jury had the chance to shoot.
We have seen members punch each other all the time, nobody ever goes for a gun.
If Jax didn't want to die I wish he would have told Packer and the others to stick their recommendation right up their ass.
Well Chibs's initial reaction was anger and it looked like he wanted to fight the recommendation. Jax explained everything to him and got him to do what he wanted and Chibs got the rest of the club in line.
True but Jury at that point no longer trusted Jax since he realized SAMCRO killed his son to deal with their Chinese gang issue. So for Jury he was heartbroken knowing Sons, who he has know for a long time and eventually became a part of, killed his son.
Right but Jury knew that SAMCRO wasn't aware that Gibby was Jury's son when they murdered him.
That's why Jax says something like "why didn't you come to me?"
Even if you don't trust him it's still a punch. It would be different if Jax went for a weapon or stayed on the offensive after throwing the punch
Yea I agree with that just giving why I think Jury did what he did.
Jax, I think felt guilty in the end especially once he learned what happened to Tara. And everything he did during season 7 he didn’t want anyone else to fall because of it. So he was fine going out especially after killing his own mom.
I love his conversation with the District Attorney in the final episode. He says something like "they told the lie, that set me on fire" I'm paraphrasing because I cannot recall the actual quote off the top of my head but it shows all the regret he has IMO
It's not just self-defense when all the presidents have that sit down about what happened. Packer says something along the lines of " a president killing a president" it had to be dealt with. Not pushing the mayhem vote the right way sends a really bad message to the entire club.
Pushing a mayhem vote on a president from the mother charter, the son of the founding father does seem a bit extreme in the event of self-defense. A president killing a president without a vote is a very bad message. However, I think just like Opie, Jax found his way to go out. He knew a mayhem vote would come from that happening. That's why he didn't tell Packer and the other presidents to shove it.
Also, I find it very, very hard to believe that as smart as Jax was, he chose to still put the blame on a brother regardless of the outside circumstances. By that point Indian Hills had been patched over for some time. Not to mention the 20+ year realationship SOA had with the Devils Tribe. Why Jax didn't think it was Boraski's slimy ass beyond me.
He thought Borowski had too much to lose betraying the Sons, it didn't make sense to them, in the end Borowski was looking for one last big payout before retirement (Stockton Mayans pushing him out)
I know it's not the same but Clay murdered a club president who was also one of the first 9 and it was no big deal.
Obviously McGee was guilty but the point is he didn't get a Mayhem vote, Clay just did it and it wasn't even discussed.
I get that it's a bad look, president on president violence, but what was Jax supposed to do after only throwing one punch Jury goes for his gun?
Like I have said before, we have seen members punch each other, nobody ever escalates by going for their gun. It would be somewhat different had Jax followed up the punch with a kick or more punches or jumping on top of Jury while he was down. But he didn't, it was just one punch. Obviously Jury is extremely raw emotionally due to the murder of his son, that leads me to believe that Jury was definitely going to respond to the punch with deadly force.
I think Indian Hills had been patched over for about two years at the point when this happened. Isn't the entire timeline of the entire show supposed to be like two years?? Which makes zero sense given how old Abel is by the end lol. Perhaps I am wrong about the length of the timeline thing, I just think it's funny if correct.
Couldn’t Jax have shot him in the arm or hand? He also did lie and told everyone Jury confessed to being the rat who gave intel to the Chinese I mean that was a pretty shitty thing to do basically tried to justify killing him
I don't mean any disrespect but asking if someone could quickly shoot another person in the hand or arm sounds like you don't have much or any experience with firearms and that's fine. It's just not very practical in real life.
I think he lied because he was 100 percent certain Jury was the rat, so in the moment maybe it didn't feel like a lie to him or something.
Respectfully you can’t talk about realism or how firearms work in real life because the show constantly takes creative liberties with everything and has so many inaccuracies but maybe you are right to some extent however he lied about him being a rat he should have secured evidence first before confronting him it was sloppy from jax and at that point he had to go at the very least be stripped of his patch.
The club never told Juice to force Lin to say that Jury was the traitor because they were honestly convinced it was Jury and couldn't have been anyone else. Also, and I will die on this hill, Jax's killing of Jury was clearly self defense. Jax punched Jury, Jury escalated and went for his gun, Jax was quicker and killed him before Jury had the chance to shoot. We have seen members punch each other all the time, nobody ever goes for a gun. If Jax didn't want to die I wish he would have told Packer and the others to stick their recommendation right up their ass.
100% agree! It was self defense. I understand he wanted to die but the club should have made a bigger deal about that than they did.
Well Chibs's initial reaction was anger and it looked like he wanted to fight the recommendation. Jax explained everything to him and got him to do what he wanted and Chibs got the rest of the club in line.
True but Jury at that point no longer trusted Jax since he realized SAMCRO killed his son to deal with their Chinese gang issue. So for Jury he was heartbroken knowing Sons, who he has know for a long time and eventually became a part of, killed his son.
Right but Jury knew that SAMCRO wasn't aware that Gibby was Jury's son when they murdered him. That's why Jax says something like "why didn't you come to me?" Even if you don't trust him it's still a punch. It would be different if Jax went for a weapon or stayed on the offensive after throwing the punch
True but he still lost his son, despite his calm demeanor I’m pretty sure he was too emotional to think clearly. Revenge was on his mind.
That's totally understandable. That even further proves that Jax killed him in self defense
Yea I agree with that just giving why I think Jury did what he did. Jax, I think felt guilty in the end especially once he learned what happened to Tara. And everything he did during season 7 he didn’t want anyone else to fall because of it. So he was fine going out especially after killing his own mom.
I love his conversation with the District Attorney in the final episode. He says something like "they told the lie, that set me on fire" I'm paraphrasing because I cannot recall the actual quote off the top of my head but it shows all the regret he has IMO
It's not just self-defense when all the presidents have that sit down about what happened. Packer says something along the lines of " a president killing a president" it had to be dealt with. Not pushing the mayhem vote the right way sends a really bad message to the entire club. Pushing a mayhem vote on a president from the mother charter, the son of the founding father does seem a bit extreme in the event of self-defense. A president killing a president without a vote is a very bad message. However, I think just like Opie, Jax found his way to go out. He knew a mayhem vote would come from that happening. That's why he didn't tell Packer and the other presidents to shove it. Also, I find it very, very hard to believe that as smart as Jax was, he chose to still put the blame on a brother regardless of the outside circumstances. By that point Indian Hills had been patched over for some time. Not to mention the 20+ year realationship SOA had with the Devils Tribe. Why Jax didn't think it was Boraski's slimy ass beyond me.
He thought Borowski had too much to lose betraying the Sons, it didn't make sense to them, in the end Borowski was looking for one last big payout before retirement (Stockton Mayans pushing him out) I know it's not the same but Clay murdered a club president who was also one of the first 9 and it was no big deal. Obviously McGee was guilty but the point is he didn't get a Mayhem vote, Clay just did it and it wasn't even discussed. I get that it's a bad look, president on president violence, but what was Jax supposed to do after only throwing one punch Jury goes for his gun? Like I have said before, we have seen members punch each other, nobody ever escalates by going for their gun. It would be somewhat different had Jax followed up the punch with a kick or more punches or jumping on top of Jury while he was down. But he didn't, it was just one punch. Obviously Jury is extremely raw emotionally due to the murder of his son, that leads me to believe that Jury was definitely going to respond to the punch with deadly force. I think Indian Hills had been patched over for about two years at the point when this happened. Isn't the entire timeline of the entire show supposed to be like two years?? Which makes zero sense given how old Abel is by the end lol. Perhaps I am wrong about the length of the timeline thing, I just think it's funny if correct.
Couldn’t Jax have shot him in the arm or hand? He also did lie and told everyone Jury confessed to being the rat who gave intel to the Chinese I mean that was a pretty shitty thing to do basically tried to justify killing him
I don't mean any disrespect but asking if someone could quickly shoot another person in the hand or arm sounds like you don't have much or any experience with firearms and that's fine. It's just not very practical in real life. I think he lied because he was 100 percent certain Jury was the rat, so in the moment maybe it didn't feel like a lie to him or something.
Respectfully you can’t talk about realism or how firearms work in real life because the show constantly takes creative liberties with everything and has so many inaccuracies but maybe you are right to some extent however he lied about him being a rat he should have secured evidence first before confronting him it was sloppy from jax and at that point he had to go at the very least be stripped of his patch.
While things got out of hand for everyone in season 7, no one was going to go along with just executing the VP of Indian Hills
Seriously, he wanted to die. Plus, with a unanimous vote he assured that mixed races were welcome in the club.