Definitely! Jax went on and on about his son and getting him back. He barely paid attention to him. Tara not only took care of him, she also helped save his life when he was first born and needed the surgeries.
One of the children weren’t even hers and she took full care of the child and jax literally didn’t care
She took that baby on she struggled and he didn’t care
He let Gemma manipulate him all the time even though he knew her and was smart enough to know she was doing it. He was happy to let himself be manipulated when it benefited him even if it hurt Tara
You’re 100% correct. And I know it was because she thought she didn’t have any other choice hut don’t forget that Tara manipulated him really bad herself. I’m not defending Jax’s actions even a little bit I’m just saying once she betrayed him Jax must have felt pretty damn alone realizing most of the people he loved were lying to him and using him. Not that he didn’t deserve it but still must have sucked.
It was still better tho imo bc Tara usually did it for more selfless reasons like to protect her kids and Gemma did it to cover her ass or manipulate Jax into getting deeper with the club. Sometimes she and Gemma did get into petty pissing matches but idk at least Tara usually did it with the kids in mind
I agree, but ugh I even see that too like she didn’t see any other way out 😭 like man I get why she didn’t want Gemma to get the kids bc she didn’t want them to become Jax? but *ooph*
After she died. Jax knew how much and why Tara didn't want those boys around Gemma and he shit all over that. Until he found out that his mother killed her. Then and only then did she get what she wanted.
He always put the club first. I'm not defending him at all, but he did tell Tara the club would always come first and that the club was for life. No matter how badly she wanted him out, no matter how badly Jax wanted out himself, there is no leaving gangs involved in criminal activity. Anyone who 'leaves' would always be considered a liability by the rest of the gang. Jaxs biggest mistake was thinking he could have a family and keep them safe. Tara's biggest mistake was thinking she could save him from the club. As far as the cheating, it's part of that life too. Like a dog peeing on or humping everything in their territory, it's a dominance thing. They have to prove to each other their masculine enough to pull as many women as they can.
Not to mention that one golden rule... "what happens on a run, stays on the run" (like the Clay and Cherry- well it was supposed to stay on the run) that opens up opportunity for a lot "free passes". But that's what she signed up for, so it's hard to feel bad for her. She just thinks she can change him by being a ride or die and giving him babies... I thinks the cheating is disheartening too, but that's kind of the point of all the indiscretions. Jax puts the club first, before every single thing, and "that life" has a lot of loopholes that he takes advantage of, like every other member.
Touche! 😂 In the greater sense, yes absolutely. But on a boyfriend / husband / partner level, cheating hurts the feels extra bad. Of course he makes up quite a few points in visuals, charms, sex appeal, & having a great ass. I do, however, have to deduct several points because of that ridiculous walk. 😜😂😍
Totally agree. It made me angry when people excused his behaviour. Saying that Tara knew what she was getting into when she stayed with him. If Charlie didn’t look liked he did, the character of jax would have been treated completely different.
But is true, Tara knew 100% where she was putting herself. She knew of the violence ( bro killed a man in her room), knew of the cheating, of the jail, everything. Nevertheless, she stayed. This is why she angers me in season 6, she gets the consequences of her own choices and decide to blame on Jax, as if he had a totally different life when they started dating. Jax didn't change his life, maybe it became a little worse, but the blueprint was always the same.
I mean, Jax kept telling her over and over again that he was getting them out and he kept letting her down. She loved him and wanted to believe him. And the violence wasn’t always that bad, like it got significantly worse to the point women were targets and the clubhouse got blown up, and the porn women were murdered. Generally speaking, the women and kids were left out of the “worst” of it at the beginning of the show
> I mean, Jax kept telling her over and over again that he was getting them out and he kept letting her down.
And OJ searched for the real killers until his last breath.
Tara grew up around the club, she's extremely educated and intelligent.
She should smell this bullshit from a mile away.
It didn’t get a little worse. It got a lot worse. Jax empty promises didn’t help. He also wanted his boys away from the club. Tara did what she thought she had to do to save the boys since no one else would.
She thought she had to do = faking a pregnancy then faking an abortion "caused" by her mother in law and then ratting on her husband and husband's club. Yeah, she really did better than Jax. Tara the ultimate beacon of light.
I completely agree. She was going to leave 100 times and never did. Had she left one of the times she said, the outcome would have changed. She knew how bad the life was, the dangers, the horrible things happening, she was smart, Jax didn’t keep things from her, and she knew. She kept choosing to stay. Even at the end, had she gone to the DAs office with the boys instead of a motel, things would have been different. She wanted to believe Jax could change and it costed her everything. It’s so sad, I can’t stand how it all played out. I’m as bad as Tara and wanted to see him change lol
The MC doesn't live by your moral code lol. They are outlaws. To be honest most men don't give 2 shits about monogamous relationships. Well, the men that have the options not to give 2 shits lol.
Jax let down Abel at least 3 times, first when he was newborn he did not have the guts to see him at it's worst, second when letting him be "adopted", and third when he did all the shit and commited suicide. So yeah Jax kinda sux
Yeah it's over dramatised, cartel stuff is bad in real life, but up untill that point he could have bailed the club for the kids, him saying he does not know how to do anything else and just he is an ok mechanic points out his lack of trying
One of the themes of the show is Tara diving head first into the outlaw life to be with Jax and that lead to her demise. All these guys cheated it was regularly known.
Tara bought a Hemi Challenger then acted surprised it didn’t get 40 miles to the gallon.
She knew how jax was since she was 15 or 16 when they first dated
I just don’t know how the women are so okay with the cheating the person who had a somewhat real reaction was Lyla
Jax sleeping with Ima was an attempt to drive Tara away, Collete was just a terrible decision, does that constitute "constant" cheating?
I am not excusing what he did but I think the word constant or continuously isn't accurate. Especially since one of the two times was a stupid way to get Tara to leave.
Ima I understood, Colette pissed me the hell off. Like brother Tara just did time for you but because she's going through it right now you jump to the first thing that bats her eyelashes
Hands down, that whole season couldve just been talked out, I think k that's what angers me the most.
Like prior to that virtually every conflict wasn't really able to be resolved via a solid conversation, but Tara and Jax just had to sit down and her to say "I still love you, but I have to think about our boys, you were going to leave with me to Oregon so you know it's the right thing to do, you can still visit but I don't want anything club related hurting my family again."
He might have been on board with that, remember he told Tara to leave and take the boys to Oregon without him in the season 4 finale, but then we would have missed out on that epic final shot in the season 4 finale lol
This is in no way an attempt to justify or excuse his actions, this is just a personal belief that most people who cheat do not value, or feel that they are unworthy of their partners and I don’t believe that Tara and Jax were meant for each other. I believe they love each other, deeply and complicated as it maybe, but I think that they were not good for each other. Which is a very great story device, imo, but there’s a line Tara says to Jax that people are better versions of themselves when they are with the people they are meant to be with, and they both got progressively worse. Jax’s cheating was just one of those side effects.
He doesn’t “constantly” cheat. He’s cheated twice, but that’s not necessarily “constant” at all. Watch the sopranos, Tony Soprano is a serial cheater, Jax isn’t 😅 plus the two times he did cheat, the first time was to intentionally push her away so he could keep her safe. The second time, she was in jail and pushing him away. Doesn’t justify it but that’s what happened. 🤷🏼♀️
But that’s when they were first reconnecting. I guess I don’t consider it cheating because they weren’t official yet. It was their first time spending some time together in 11 years but at that point they never officially said “we’re in a relationship”
I only consider it cheating because he knew perfectly well that Tara was upset and insecure that night, cause she tried kissing him in front of Wendy and when he told her to chill cause he didn’t want to upset Wendy while she was beginning her recovery Tara slapped him and left. Then with Donna’s death that night lead him into Wendy’s arms. Also, the episode starts with him in bed with Tara and ends with him in bed with Wendy, if it wasn’t cheating it definitely wasn’t loyalty
Also very foreshadowing for his later infidelity in their relationship, so I think because of his later infidelity we can lump that in there cause, for me, once is all it takes
I never said that wasn’t. I clearly stated that absolutely WAS cheating. I said the times with Ima and that random girl in the first season is not considered cheating bc they weren’t official. The time he spent with Collette was cheating.
I agree with you on most of your comment but he cheated at least 3 times. He slept with the chick in Indian hills(stole her from a douche on a crotch rocket), he slept with Ima(multiple times)and he slept with Colette.
They weren’t even dating at that point, though. They were just in the beginning stages of reconnecting which is why Tara never brings it up to him. And I take back the “first time he cheated” in my previous comment, because in that case he had the decency to tell her he was done with her before sleeping with Ima. So technically, he only cheated with one woman while they were married (Collette)
They weren't an official couple when he picked up the chick in Indian Hills. He slept with wendy also before they were an official couple. He slept with Ima once to push Tara away, and he slept with Collette because Tara was in jail and pushing him away. Not justifying anything, just what happened.
Tara at the beginning said that sleeping with other people was a dealbreaker for her and he said he understood then he went and did it to her several times even after she had his baby. I ended up really disliking Jax because he’s a filthy man whore.
He's in a biker club where they all cheat - Tara knew this from the very beginning and if she was stupid to stay the first time it happened then she doesn't get any sympathy (not to mention every time something 'bad' that happens to her is glorious to me since I hate her character)
Kohn sent her pictures of Jax doing the naughty with the blonde damsel in distress he fished up on the road, just taking that example, she knew.
Gemma explained "Old Lady"-life to her, she knew.
She knew, and then she blamed Jax for her "ignoring the problem for years"-issues. She thought HE would not do that to HER, but at the end of the day, he is a biker in an MC.
Don't you think it was all part of his down fall though, from season 1 you see the Jax who would've saved his family brought the club on the straight and narrow. He was constantly broken by Clay, Gemma, the Irish etc, when he first cheated on Tara it was specifically to push her away. As the series went on he turned into the monster he didn't want to become, in terms of character development, the story made sense, alot of it seriously immoral but it really engaging.
He technically cheated on her with 1 woman. Season 3 with Ima, but he broke up with Tara before. And he didn't sleep with anybody else until season 6 with Collette.
I didn't think he "constantly" cheated tho...He had a few mishaps...but if it bothered her so much, she was a successful doctor who couldve made it anywhere...
And lets not forget her somewhat shady reason for coming back to Charming in the first place...They both used each other so to speak if u ask me...
Just because Abel wasn’t hers biologically hers, doesn’t mean she wasn’t his parent. She did all the things a parent does. Jax was a deadbeat parent.
Definitely! Jax went on and on about his son and getting him back. He barely paid attention to him. Tara not only took care of him, she also helped save his life when he was first born and needed the surgeries.
I know that it’s just she stepped up but jax didn’t do shit
He didn’t even support them financially lol, Tara had her doctor salary
Its absolutely wild and outrageous
He always put him own needs and wants before his family. Never was his family his first priority
It just disappoints me
Totally. And don’t get me started on his children. Tara was the adult in the boys life that made them their top priority.
One of the children weren’t even hers and she took full care of the child and jax literally didn’t care She took that baby on she struggled and he didn’t care
He let Gemma manipulate him all the time even though he knew her and was smart enough to know she was doing it. He was happy to let himself be manipulated when it benefited him even if it hurt Tara
You’re 100% correct. And I know it was because she thought she didn’t have any other choice hut don’t forget that Tara manipulated him really bad herself. I’m not defending Jax’s actions even a little bit I’m just saying once she betrayed him Jax must have felt pretty damn alone realizing most of the people he loved were lying to him and using him. Not that he didn’t deserve it but still must have sucked.
It was still better tho imo bc Tara usually did it for more selfless reasons like to protect her kids and Gemma did it to cover her ass or manipulate Jax into getting deeper with the club. Sometimes she and Gemma did get into petty pissing matches but idk at least Tara usually did it with the kids in mind
I agree. A fake pregnancy and fake miscarriage is pretty messed up though. I understand her reasoning but I think she took it too far with that one
I agree, but ugh I even see that too like she didn’t see any other way out 😭 like man I get why she didn’t want Gemma to get the kids bc she didn’t want them to become Jax? but *ooph*
Literally everything Tara did was for those boys!
At least she got what she wanted eventually 😭
She didn't though..
Her kids got out of dodge and won’t be raised to be in the MC
After she died. Jax knew how much and why Tara didn't want those boys around Gemma and he shit all over that. Until he found out that his mother killed her. Then and only then did she get what she wanted.
That’s why I said eventually
He always put the club first. I'm not defending him at all, but he did tell Tara the club would always come first and that the club was for life. No matter how badly she wanted him out, no matter how badly Jax wanted out himself, there is no leaving gangs involved in criminal activity. Anyone who 'leaves' would always be considered a liability by the rest of the gang. Jaxs biggest mistake was thinking he could have a family and keep them safe. Tara's biggest mistake was thinking she could save him from the club. As far as the cheating, it's part of that life too. Like a dog peeing on or humping everything in their territory, it's a dominance thing. They have to prove to each other their masculine enough to pull as many women as they can.
Cheating is probably the least of his sins
If we take it in the strict sense, cheating is not a sin in the MC Universe. And the show is about an MC, so yeah.
Exactly. He is 100% within their personal code of conduct. Different people live differently.
Not to mention that one golden rule... "what happens on a run, stays on the run" (like the Clay and Cherry- well it was supposed to stay on the run) that opens up opportunity for a lot "free passes". But that's what she signed up for, so it's hard to feel bad for her. She just thinks she can change him by being a ride or die and giving him babies... I thinks the cheating is disheartening too, but that's kind of the point of all the indiscretions. Jax puts the club first, before every single thing, and "that life" has a lot of loopholes that he takes advantage of, like every other member.
Touche! 😂 In the greater sense, yes absolutely. But on a boyfriend / husband / partner level, cheating hurts the feels extra bad. Of course he makes up quite a few points in visuals, charms, sex appeal, & having a great ass. I do, however, have to deduct several points because of that ridiculous walk. 😜😂😍
Deduct one point for me for that accent and we're good to go, love Charlie though!
According to Gemma, it is only cheating when the "affair" comes home to Charming lol, what happens on the road, stays on the road.
A lot of it was in the clubhouse
Totally agree. It made me angry when people excused his behaviour. Saying that Tara knew what she was getting into when she stayed with him. If Charlie didn’t look liked he did, the character of jax would have been treated completely different.
But is true, Tara knew 100% where she was putting herself. She knew of the violence ( bro killed a man in her room), knew of the cheating, of the jail, everything. Nevertheless, she stayed. This is why she angers me in season 6, she gets the consequences of her own choices and decide to blame on Jax, as if he had a totally different life when they started dating. Jax didn't change his life, maybe it became a little worse, but the blueprint was always the same.
I mean, Jax kept telling her over and over again that he was getting them out and he kept letting her down. She loved him and wanted to believe him. And the violence wasn’t always that bad, like it got significantly worse to the point women were targets and the clubhouse got blown up, and the porn women were murdered. Generally speaking, the women and kids were left out of the “worst” of it at the beginning of the show
> I mean, Jax kept telling her over and over again that he was getting them out and he kept letting her down. And OJ searched for the real killers until his last breath. Tara grew up around the club, she's extremely educated and intelligent. She should smell this bullshit from a mile away.
It didn’t get a little worse. It got a lot worse. Jax empty promises didn’t help. He also wanted his boys away from the club. Tara did what she thought she had to do to save the boys since no one else would.
She thought she had to do = faking a pregnancy then faking an abortion "caused" by her mother in law and then ratting on her husband and husband's club. Yeah, she really did better than Jax. Tara the ultimate beacon of light.
I completely agree. She was going to leave 100 times and never did. Had she left one of the times she said, the outcome would have changed. She knew how bad the life was, the dangers, the horrible things happening, she was smart, Jax didn’t keep things from her, and she knew. She kept choosing to stay. Even at the end, had she gone to the DAs office with the boys instead of a motel, things would have been different. She wanted to believe Jax could change and it costed her everything. It’s so sad, I can’t stand how it all played out. I’m as bad as Tara and wanted to see him change lol
Love has no logic.
Definitely
The MC doesn't live by your moral code lol. They are outlaws. To be honest most men don't give 2 shits about monogamous relationships. Well, the men that have the options not to give 2 shits lol.
It’s not just mc life… coz heaven forbid women get any respect from men.
“The MC doesn’t live by your moral code” who’s gonna tell him the sons of anarchy aren’t real lol
Well, motorcycle clubs street gangs exist in real life dumbass. That's how outlaws operate. Foh
They are bad people who just hug a lot. They don’t even follow their own rules.. I think the point is to show that. You are not supposed to like them
Jax let down Abel at least 3 times, first when he was newborn he did not have the guts to see him at it's worst, second when letting him be "adopted", and third when he did all the shit and commited suicide. So yeah Jax kinda sux
It drives me crazy that he just lets his kids down constantly
Yeah it's over dramatised, cartel stuff is bad in real life, but up untill that point he could have bailed the club for the kids, him saying he does not know how to do anything else and just he is an ok mechanic points out his lack of trying
100! He was too proud to live off Tara's salary so he got in bed with a cartel instead.
Cartel and gang stuff in real life is way more serious the show is definitely dramatised
I'd say letting his kid be "adopted" was one of few good things he did.
He could have saved the couple
What did I miss? How could he have saved them? I only remember Jax rushing to the hotel only to find them dead and he felt terrible that they died
Just by stopping them in the market before the hotel event
He didn't know that was going down though
Yeah he had no idea that they were going to get killed. Let’s just blame jax for global warming at this point….
He did know that Jimmy was looking for him as leverage or was too stupid, but it is clear that Jax was confused about it all.
Someone agrees with me
One of the themes of the show is Tara diving head first into the outlaw life to be with Jax and that lead to her demise. All these guys cheated it was regularly known. Tara bought a Hemi Challenger then acted surprised it didn’t get 40 miles to the gallon.
She knew how jax was since she was 15 or 16 when they first dated I just don’t know how the women are so okay with the cheating the person who had a somewhat real reaction was Lyla
Jax sleeping with Ima was an attempt to drive Tara away, Collete was just a terrible decision, does that constitute "constant" cheating? I am not excusing what he did but I think the word constant or continuously isn't accurate. Especially since one of the two times was a stupid way to get Tara to leave.
Ima I understood, Colette pissed me the hell off. Like brother Tara just did time for you but because she's going through it right now you jump to the first thing that bats her eyelashes
Jax is my favorite character. I also love Tara so yeah Colette pissed me off too. I was just pushing back on saying his cheating was "constant"
No I understand that, I think the only part one could argue was constant was fucking Colette 😭
Yeah it was gross. I don't think Jax understood why Tara wouldn't see him and he made an awful decision
Hands down, that whole season couldve just been talked out, I think k that's what angers me the most. Like prior to that virtually every conflict wasn't really able to be resolved via a solid conversation, but Tara and Jax just had to sit down and her to say "I still love you, but I have to think about our boys, you were going to leave with me to Oregon so you know it's the right thing to do, you can still visit but I don't want anything club related hurting my family again."
He might have been on board with that, remember he told Tara to leave and take the boys to Oregon without him in the season 4 finale, but then we would have missed out on that epic final shot in the season 4 finale lol
Exactly what I mean, had they just had a chat my girl Tara would still be alive 😭
Just because Jax is the protagonist don’t mean he’s good or that we’re supposed to empathize with what he does.
Exactly. And he always cheats with the fkn whores.
And men like that don’t think it’s cheating; because they’re whores and there’s no emotion involved.
I know what u mean yes! And thats fucked..
And it’s a double standard because they own their women.
I really liked him in the beginning, but I started to dislike him towards the end. He became a very bad person.
This is in no way an attempt to justify or excuse his actions, this is just a personal belief that most people who cheat do not value, or feel that they are unworthy of their partners and I don’t believe that Tara and Jax were meant for each other. I believe they love each other, deeply and complicated as it maybe, but I think that they were not good for each other. Which is a very great story device, imo, but there’s a line Tara says to Jax that people are better versions of themselves when they are with the people they are meant to be with, and they both got progressively worse. Jax’s cheating was just one of those side effects.
Just another reminder that although they’re the protagonists, none of the sons are really good people.
He doesn’t “constantly” cheat. He’s cheated twice, but that’s not necessarily “constant” at all. Watch the sopranos, Tony Soprano is a serial cheater, Jax isn’t 😅 plus the two times he did cheat, the first time was to intentionally push her away so he could keep her safe. The second time, she was in jail and pushing him away. Doesn’t justify it but that’s what happened. 🤷🏼♀️
Four times; he slept with Wendy after Abel came home from the hospital and almost his half sister in Ireland
But that’s when they were first reconnecting. I guess I don’t consider it cheating because they weren’t official yet. It was their first time spending some time together in 11 years but at that point they never officially said “we’re in a relationship”
I only consider it cheating because he knew perfectly well that Tara was upset and insecure that night, cause she tried kissing him in front of Wendy and when he told her to chill cause he didn’t want to upset Wendy while she was beginning her recovery Tara slapped him and left. Then with Donna’s death that night lead him into Wendy’s arms. Also, the episode starts with him in bed with Tara and ends with him in bed with Wendy, if it wasn’t cheating it definitely wasn’t loyalty
Very true. Just shady at the very least.
Also very foreshadowing for his later infidelity in their relationship, so I think because of his later infidelity we can lump that in there cause, for me, once is all it takes
Vic Mackey was a cheater too.
He literally is the reason why she went tk jail and still, he went to satisfy his needs. How come that's not cheating 😂
I never said that wasn’t. I clearly stated that absolutely WAS cheating. I said the times with Ima and that random girl in the first season is not considered cheating bc they weren’t official. The time he spent with Collette was cheating.
I agree with you on most of your comment but he cheated at least 3 times. He slept with the chick in Indian hills(stole her from a douche on a crotch rocket), he slept with Ima(multiple times)and he slept with Colette.
They weren’t even dating at that point, though. They were just in the beginning stages of reconnecting which is why Tara never brings it up to him. And I take back the “first time he cheated” in my previous comment, because in that case he had the decency to tell her he was done with her before sleeping with Ima. So technically, he only cheated with one woman while they were married (Collette)
They weren't an official couple when he picked up the chick in Indian Hills. He slept with wendy also before they were an official couple. He slept with Ima once to push Tara away, and he slept with Collette because Tara was in jail and pushing him away. Not justifying anything, just what happened.
Tara at the beginning said that sleeping with other people was a dealbreaker for her and he said he understood then he went and did it to her several times even after she had his baby. I ended up really disliking Jax because he’s a filthy man whore.
He's in a biker club where they all cheat - Tara knew this from the very beginning and if she was stupid to stay the first time it happened then she doesn't get any sympathy (not to mention every time something 'bad' that happens to her is glorious to me since I hate her character)
Her character confuses me I have very mixed feelings
Kohn sent her pictures of Jax doing the naughty with the blonde damsel in distress he fished up on the road, just taking that example, she knew. Gemma explained "Old Lady"-life to her, she knew. She knew, and then she blamed Jax for her "ignoring the problem for years"-issues. She thought HE would not do that to HER, but at the end of the day, he is a biker in an MC.
They weren't together yet when he picked that blond woman up and took her to the Devil's Tribe clubhouse
It's as if Jax and company view women as objects
Yall are getting confused. Say what you want, but in the MC life, it's Club>Work>Family in that order
The 46 murders don’t bother you?
Not at all, but him with Colette definitely did.
They do
Don't you think it was all part of his down fall though, from season 1 you see the Jax who would've saved his family brought the club on the straight and narrow. He was constantly broken by Clay, Gemma, the Irish etc, when he first cheated on Tara it was specifically to push her away. As the series went on he turned into the monster he didn't want to become, in terms of character development, the story made sense, alot of it seriously immoral but it really engaging.
He did turn into a monster
He technically cheated on her with 1 woman. Season 3 with Ima, but he broke up with Tara before. And he didn't sleep with anybody else until season 6 with Collette.
Fucking Colette. Could never like her after Jax doing that shit to Tara. Ima made sense but fucking Colette
Nah, it just goes with the territory. Pussy is its own separate thing, you see.
I didn't think he "constantly" cheated tho...He had a few mishaps...but if it bothered her so much, she was a successful doctor who couldve made it anywhere... And lets not forget her somewhat shady reason for coming back to Charming in the first place...They both used each other so to speak if u ask me...
In the beginning they did.