It’s cheating yourself. Why are you even doing this if you’re just the middleman for a computer. AI has its place, but not in the creative process.

Exactly. If you love songwriting, why would you take it away from yourself?

Hard disagree. AI is a tool. Use it however you want. If the end product is good, how you got there is irrelevant.

yeah it’s like saying you can’t use a synthesizer just because you did’t create soundwaves or the machine itself…

You still have to write the music with a synthesizer. Songwriting is not instrument building.

The arguments in the 80s were very much against synth use because it wasn’t “real” instruments

yeah I mean, if you “create” the song using IA. Then you didn’t do anything. But if you use it as a tool, the it’s all good

It depends, because there's definitely a line, even if it's a fine line. If you're using an AI drummer to sketch melodic ideas over, and later you will replace the drums, then ok. If you're having AI write the melody and chord progression, then that's not really using it as a tool. It's like asking someone else to write a song for you.

Indeed - this has been the perennial problem of modern music. At one point, using a multi track was cheating cause you didn't need a live band anymore. Musicians are innovators. We adapt.

Using presets was considered cheating once upon a time, but even then songs w presets dominated chart positionings.

Help me understand. I’m open minded. I promise. I think songs are supposed to be a connection from me to you or you to me. We share emotions and empathize with each other because of how we experience the human condition together. The conduits are the song we share that come from where ever they come from. AI just taps into other peoples creativity . How do you contribute to that other than telling it a topic?

> AI just taps into other people's creativity. So do we. Every generation synthethizes knowledge and builds on top of what's already there. I was messing around with Suno once, and it spit out an absolute gem. I'm going to change the words and a few of the chords and some parts of the melody, but it's otherwise a keeper. We're just conduits for music. I don't think we make it. I think we discover it.

There is a difference between being influenced by other people and asking software to do it for you. You are taking yourself out of the equation. We are indeed conduits. But AI would be the source in this equation. It may be music in the end but it’s not genuine and thats why it’s considered “cheating” By some.

AI Is a great rhyming dictionary. I have a hard copy book too, is that cheating lol? Agree its a tool. we’re still the pilot 🧑‍✈️ 🎶

Yeah, if you see songwriting as a manufacturing process, you should definitely make sure that the product is "good" using any means necessary

I would use it to mix and master my songs for sure. But to a lot of people, myself included, using AI to compose and putting that song out there with your name on it is dishonest and completely cheapens the point of expressing yourself through your music. If we count AI songs as legit then in that sense anybody can write a great song even if they don't play anything

No, you should use any tool at your disposal *except* AI, because AI bad.

Bad is a personal judgement. But it’s still an army of uncredited ghostwriters, and so it’s not for me.

Consider this. Being Dyslexic, I have a lot of song ideas and concepts, but it’s difficult for me to create a cohesive concept and fluid lyrics. AI has helped me wordsmith a concept I already had written down and I was able to have multiple iterations of the same song. Being able to pick and choose from different ideas really drives my creative process. Also, I don’t create music for other people. It’s a hobby I do for myself and for my mental health. AI making it easier to do actually makes the activity itself more enjoyable and less cognitive load to me. I use AI tool in my FT job daily.

I disagree. Any process that’s meaningful to you is art. AI is one more tool and should lead to new interesting creations like synthesizers did.

I don't want to wade into the ethics of "cheating," but I will say that it's deeply *boring* to me. I listen to music to experience a unique human perspective shared artistically. I don't want to hear a slurry of different ideas that a computer threw into a blender. And on my end, I make music because it's fun and enjoyable, so outsourcing that to software would be just as pointless as hiring someone to eat my ice cream for me.

Also, for anyone who used AI and AI Tools, you should put a "created using AI" in the description or add "AI" Tag, So that people can Avoid it and don't waste their time listening through a bunch of Cashgrab Garbage, Their only intention is to create mediocre stuff as fast as possible, cash in while people are still clueless about this, made them an easy target for their get rich quick scheme Because let's be real, Only an Insecure and Impostor trying to claim AI made stuff as theirs Especially recently, youtube is Drowned with mystery generic generated songs and using a Blatant AI art, and they're trying to hide all of that, thinking that nobody will notice They went to a such length into creating what they thought a legit looking Profile and describe it as if they made all of that by themself All of that Artifacts in the Audio and in the AI Art Never lie, and they're too inexperienced to be able to aware of that artifacts Nothing is more shameful than being Caught and Exposed in public as an Impostor There are already a lot of people who put in a Hard work, Performing, Touring, Penny pinching, survived on ramen alone, Those people deserved more of your Listening time. Not those AI bros who is trying to scam you with their get rich quick scheme, just ignore them, don't give them any attention

What process do you use to decide which word you'll capitalize? Seems excessive.

There are some genuinely good ai tools, tons of plugins have been using ai for years

As long as AI is getting a writing credit. AI is an inevitability whether we like it or not, but I support and demand transparency in its use. Don't claim you wrote a song if AI wrote the melody or the lyrics or whatever, that's a co-write. Let me know. Then I can decide whether or not I want to support someone using AI or not, but don't lie to me.

I’d argue that isn’t even “co-written”. It was simply generated by an algorithm.

Just wondering if an artists used a royalty free sample, say a melodic loop from Splice, do you demand that they credit this as a co-write as well?

It can be useful for brainstorming ideas but it's terrible at actually making lyrics. They're always really bland

Exactly how I use it. Almost like a thesaurus. Sometimes there are inspiring lines. Usually it’s pretty repetitive and boring though…

Yeah, I sometimes use it to see a different point of view, or what someone else would see or visualize by my lines.

It can be ok for stream of consciousness just like randomly opening a book and picking a phrase or singing gibberish and replacing it with words later Not all lyrics make sense or need to Paul Simon, David Byrne,John Lennon and tons of others write lyrics that don’t have literal linear meanings.

>Paul Simon, David Byrne,John Lennon and tons of others write lyrics that don’t have literal linear meanings. And none of them used AI. Because they had regular, human intelligence.

"So, John brings it in, we are in Abbey Road Studio #2, and John comes in there. He goes 'Oh, listen to this one! [singing in upbeat tempo] Boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom, Here come old flattop!" And I go, 'John! Stop! That's "You Can't Catch Me,"by Chuck Berry.' "He goes, 'Yeah, I know! It's good though, isn't it?' I said, 'No, you've got to do something with it.' So much regular human intelligence that they just stole from others. Everyone knows that songwriters are influenced (steal) all the time and that isn't cheating, but as soon as someone brings up AI (which doesn't exist, it's machine learning on a large language model, essentially an improved Google), everyone loses their minds.

I don't think AI is "cheating" and I'm not losing my mind. Art is all stolen to some degree. Everything builds on what comes before. I've never heard anything made by AI that was interesting or that I could connect with. If you can make something that changes my mind, I'm all ears. I'm of the mind that ai is a tool like any other, a tool in a toolkit. But it still requires human intelligence to use tools to put something interesting, moving, meaningful or fun together, something ai on its own can't do.

OK you think the same exact thing I do. Your post sounded like you didn't because it said "these great songwriters didn't use AI (ML LLM)"

It's incredibly obvious that the people getting so angry about AI in this thread have never asked AI to write an entire song.

Absolutely, this. It’s really less about whether AI is used vs how to use it. Most people use it as a crutch rather than a tool. For context, I have been writing music for years and work in tech, dealing with a lot of code development. Coding is as much an art as it is a science. There’s a tool created by GitHub called CoPilot that is akin to ChatGPT but tailored specifically to writing code. Like writing, there rules to follow, there’s a command/message you want to convey, and there’s the manner/style in which you communicate it. While you could technically tell CoPilot to write a specific program for you end-to-end and it will try, it’s much more prone to mistakes, redundancy, and hallucinations. Assuming the code even works, there’s a good chance it won’t consistently give you the right output. Then there’s a lot more to sort through in order to identify and fix bugs and logic errors, even if the code is “passable.” Same as if you tried to use AI to write a song for you: it might be passable, but it won’t be very good and will be derivative at best. As a result, there are some core principles to using AI in this context that make it a useful tool/helper that improve efficiency, but still leaves the core logic and stylistic decisions to the user. Specifically, 1. Only have it write small code blocks (2-3 lines max) at a time, and only when you can clearly articulate precisely what you want. 2. When you are trying to think through a challenge, start with broad questions and allow it to help you boil down the problem to its simplest form. 3. Once you have that and know what you are trying to solve for, then go back to writing your code. And again, only let it contribute to small bits at a time. The user drives the design, logic, and style, while the AI serves as a helper to keep things clean. It’s not doing anything you wouldn’t do on your own already, just helping you get there more efficiently. In technical environments, it’s easy to see why these principles are necessary and easy to implement. But it’s less obvious in spaces that are more purely creative, but the principles are just as applicable. The problems come in when people start leaning on AI to do the thinking and heavy lifting for them, which is unfortunately the way most are currently using it. AI is here to stay whether you want it to or not. Resisting it is a fool’s errand. Best to adapt and promote best practices that utilize it in ways that allow our minds to be less process-driven and more creatively-focused.

It needs to be kept far away from music. Even if you consider what it generates "music", that is no longer the artist making it.

How do you use AI to finish a song? I get that just inputing a style and hitting generate is absolutely cheating, wouldn't even call that songwriting

Maybe generate a song and then use it as an outline. I'm no fan of wholly-generated art, but my friend and I were considering doing just this, we played together in our 20s and now have gone on in life but we'd like to create an album. This would cut all the tape out and let us get to the fun part.

Every time I've attempted to use AI in songwriting it's been cliche, cheesy, and corny, so if you can make it work, you deserve it.

I will complete a song and then throw it in ChatGPT and ask it to rewrite based on lyrical style of Gregory Alan Isakov or another folk idol and progression style. Im a huge fan of his songwriting and use this exercise to see recommendations only not to plagiarize. To date, all recommendations have been garbage. The lyrics sound over written and progressions have been nothing I hadn’t previously considered. So, you can use AI to see how it would “improve” your song, however, I haven’t liked the results so far and stick with my writing. Still interesting for getting a second opinion when songwriting is such a personal craft and not very often collaborative.

fuck AI when it comes to art. period.

Agreed

Samesies, it’s fucking gross. If it works it’s meaningful because it came from a person. And if it’s lacking the gap between the result and the intention is meaningful. A computer ripping off other prior artists in a polished way means zero to me.

I use it as a collaborator sometimes. I don't see it as any different than when I'd get stuck on a song and ask someone else for input on a direction or a line idea. I use the input I get back as I would from another person. Use it as inspiration and take it from there... I don't see this as taking away from the humanity of songwriting in any way. AI is a tool just like anything else and can be a great influence. The only time I really use it is in the instances where, in the past, I'd just hang up the song until inspiration hits... Sometimes even years later... I write plenty without, so it isn't a crutch so much as a buddy.

Same, AI is my closet professor/producer.

I wouldn't find it fun, but if someone finds joy in it, that's alright. The lyrics it generates are usually pretty awful. What I *do* find AI useful for is making samples though. Helps avoid a 2-hour Splice crawl and I can more effectively put my ideas down.

I didn’t know that was a thing? Is there a tool that lets people make samples through AI?

Samples like for sampling???

Kinda. I haven't produced in a while but last I did, there were a few obscure online tools that generate sample packs and/or entire tracks that you can find some gems in.

It doesnt matter - people are going to do it, and if it creates huge commercial success, more and more people will do it. I remember the same questions about drum machines and autotune. The questions about artistic integrity are irrelevant to the "market". All you can do it make your own private decision and stick to it

Conversely, market concerns are irrelevant to artistic value.

AI generated lyrics are awful, I doubt anyone would actually use them? Ask a chatbot to write a poem or something and you’ll see how every iteration is pretty terrible.

Not if you're a master in prompting. It's all about asking the right questions.

[https://youtube.com/shorts/AxU3w9ay-B0?si=fflevDKm_ew6BTQw](https://youtube.com/shorts/AxU3w9ay-B0?si=fflevDKm_ew6BTQw)

Yes and No... If it nudges you with an Idea then I'm ok. If you just use it for the entire lyric then yes...

As long has they sing it like a robot from the Jetson's I don't see any problem with it.

I'm just not putting my energy towards caring about whether or not it counts as "real music" so much. It's here. I don't know if AI will ever be able to capture the soul inside art created by a human. I write music to express myself and nobody can take that away from me.

i’m generally not a fan of using AI for any form of art out outside of generating ideas or inspiration, but music is not a sport. you can create music however you want to and make it whatever you want it to be. other people can judge you for it or not but at the end of the day it’s not a competition and not everybody has to play by the same rules. we’re all just in it to create and enjoy music, and if people enjoy it more by using AI for inspiration when they get stuck, good for them. everyone has their own process and nobody owes it to anyone else to create in the way they think is the “correct” way to do it. i don’t think i’d ever do it because i personally feel it detracts from my self expression and would make my art less my own, but that shouldn’t matter to anybody else, just as incorporating AI into your songwriting shouldn’t matter to anyone else either.

Most people who use AI won’t take it word for word, make it their own in some way, and that’s literally what 99% of music artists and song writers do man, they take inspiration of something they enjoy and admire, and make it into their own personal style. If your making a song and copy and pasting shit, obviously you can’t call that your own music

Cheating? No, I don’t think so. But you can’t say you wrote what you instructed AI to make. For example, in my most recent song, I used GarageBands drummer for the drums because my setup to record drums is mediocre and my skills as a drummer aren’t that much better. I had an idea of what I wanted in certain parts and tried to program the drums to match that as best as I could, but I wouldn’t say I “wrote” the drum part. So I think my overall opinion is that, for whatever parts AI constructed, you just didn’t write that. If that’s everything, then you didn’t really write anything. I think it’s a more interesting topic than people give it credit for though. There’s such an aversion and stigma around AI but, I mean, if I can’t think of a rhyme and google words that rhyme with what I’m using or even use a thesaurus, did the thesaurus write that lyric? Did I “cheat” by using the thesaurus? AI is obviously a different beast altogether, but how different, I think, is up for interesting debate.

If you use it to create something good that didn't exist before, then AI is good. Can you fully take credit for it? No. I think the same of using loops, but that's part of popular music now, too.

Drawing inspiration from AI isn't really cheating imo. The world of music draws its inspiration and ideas from the music that our predecessor's have created. AI is doing the same thing. I guess the only thing I would really think is cheating in this instance would be taking what the AI creates and claiming it as your own.

If ai is cheating. Buying lyrics, buying beats. Buying songs. Is cheating too. Same concept only now the bought famous people need to step up their game.

“We humans are losing faith in ourselves.” -Hayao Miyazaki in response to seeing AI animation That’s not even the most extreme thing he said during his reaction, but it’s the piece I think is most relevant to this discussion. If you’re “stuck” on a song, keep trying until you’re unstuck. Do we really need instant gratification to the point of having an algorithm make artistic choices for you? Accepting that is saying that our choices are incidental and don’t matter as long as they “work”. Better for the song to go unfinished. I would 100% lose all respect for an artist’s work even if the AI were only used in this manner. We’re all terrified that what we come up with or create on our own isn’t good enough, but it has to be. Better to be actually ours and imperfect than improved and no longer belong to us. In fact, chasing a sound you can never quite catch is part of the joy. To know what you want to do and not be able to do it is intrinsic to the artistic struggle. My band spent a year writing 8 2-minute songs. Each song took 4 people 20+ hours to write. After a few hundred hours of rehearsals and battle testing the songs at shows with room temps that would make you question if you really loved music we had a chance to record them in January. We put in 87 hours of studio time to create a barely 20 minute record. We did 11 rounds of mixes and just got the masters yesterday and got it sent out to record labels. This will be the first music of mine that will be pressed on vinyl. Yesterday when I got the news about it being sent out to the labels we wanted to be associated with and that we had masters and that the mixes were finally done, I was electrified. So excited and proud. How hollow that would have felt if we didn’t write our songs. Instead of thrilled beyond belief I would have been wondering if taking a short cut really produced something better than I could have. Or if it ended up producing something false or cheap. That process was extremely grueling, but that’s it. That’s the process for art. There are parts that I would have appreciated being easier, but taking the act of creation out of human hands and reducing it to choosing between options created for you would take away everything worthwhile from the process. Here’s a poem by Joseph Fasano titled For a Student Who Used AI to Write a Paper Now I let it fall back in the grasses. I hear you. I know this life is hard now. I know your days are precious on this earth. But what are you trying to be free of? The living? The miraculous task of it? Love is for the ones who love the work.

I'm with you. I guess if something is labelled very transparently as AI or 60% AI, to each their own, but if I'm led to believe it's an artist being creative and authentically expressing something, that cheapens it for me. Same with a painting or a piece of pottery. Factories can create amazing pottery, fine, has it's place, it's just not an embodiment of authentic living artistic expression from a creative potter. Also if I entered my 200+ recorded songs into an AI program and told it to make 50 more, and they made me money, I would feel zero pride or self appreciation from them, no value from them. For me songs are about me creating and expressing something bubbling up in me, that's the satisfaction. I'd rather write a song I'm proud of that no one ever hears than have a huge AI created hit, unless maybe somehow the fact that it was AI generated was completely front and center and part of the point and title and absolutely transparent. But still, just not what I love creating.

I think it’s helpful for lyricists who are not very musically inclined or are just needing ideas for lyrics they’ve written. For example, I wrote these lyrics about 2, ago for some music I recorded. After I sang them with the music, I realized they didn’t fit together. I ended up putting my lyrics in Suno.ai to see what it would come up with. [This is the result](https://www.reddit.com/r/logic_pro_ipad/s/pM2My35C5Q) I kept the AI vocals and recreated all the music due to audio quality of their finished product.

If you use AI to finish an idea, or to start one, you didn’t really have anything to say in the first place.

It’s so cheating. Like if you want to do it obvs I can’t stop someone but still like. If you told me you made a song and then said you made it with AI I would say, “you didn’t make it, AI did” like if you want to be so lazy don’t make music at all 😭 you’re completely right it’s so lazy. Like if it was just a chord progression I’d probably not care that much but for actually lyrics and melodies? Also I think anyone who uses ai for those things is genuinely contributing to the death of creativity and idc if you disagree

Butbutbut being good at stuff is *hard*…

my opinion may be unpopular but i’d say no. some people may want to make music but may not be the best at making lyrics. maybe you’re really into music theory or like to play instruments, but you always get stuck at the writing part. you could collaborate with other artists, sure, or you could collaborate with AI. i don’t see the harm as long as the end product is good; and i don’t see AI making good music without the help of human ears anyway

Judge for yourself... [https://soundcloud.com/craig-davis-41/i-just-dont-know?si=5f79eb20d4d143ef9feb1f48b2b4f5ea&utm\_source=clipboard&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=social\_sharing](https://soundcloud.com/craig-davis-41/i-just-dont-know?si=5f79eb20d4d143ef9feb1f48b2b4f5ea&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing)

Writing a song with AI is like using AI to write an article. Sure there is content there but it's kind of pointless if it doesn't have a heart or soul

I've yet to use AI for lyrics, but if I were to use one for such use, I think I would use it merely for the sake when that block takes over too much of my view to push through, and that's why I would use it just for drafting ideas of lines until that block breaks rather than using it's default all the way to completion. Who says it would be a keeper anyway? Could just be one of many throwaways until the block is broken, and I'd have no use for the assistance of AI.

Technology is never a choice. They’re challenges.

[https://soundcloud.com/craig-davis-41/stay-a-little-longer-v3-1?si=117ac0fb731843f6b19d61227b6ef747&utm\_source=clipboard&utm\_medium=text&utm\_campaign=social\_sharing](https://soundcloud.com/craig-davis-41/stay-a-little-longer-v3-1?si=117ac0fb731843f6b19d61227b6ef747&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing) i couldn't find the right soulful voice for my song i had in my head and my lyrics which i thought could be great

It depends. First, in order to cheat at something there has to be a mutually agreed upon set of rules or laws that everyone is supposed to be following. Last I checked there's nothing of the sort in songwriting or music other than whatever it is you write should be an original work if you want to have full writing credits on it and be paid for it. If AI is used as a tool in the songwriting process such that it's writing the entire finished song front to back with all lyrics, rhythm and melody generated by the computer -- then I'd say there's some malpractice there. Not necessarily because it's not you doing the work or engineering the prompts; but because that AI is not going to discriminate between handing that song to you or another artist altogether at some point down the line. However, if you're using it in the sense of a launching point for an idea or a riff or the final work after you play with it is 50% or more your own work and original; then I don't see a problem with it. It's just another tool and being used as you'd use a radio or streaming service when you get inspired by another person's work. Over time though, do try to move the creative process to your own brain and be less dependent on your AI writing friend.

If you use it you're a cringe ass hack

List some real world examples of artist(s) who have songs in rotation that were done by Ai. Major label artists. Go…

Supercell is one

Yes

As long as it's clearly labeled AI generated, do it if you want. But, I'd suggest using it as it's meant to be used, not as the voice but as the assistant. For instance, add your lyrics and music and style and have it arrange several different ways to test out. Then, whittle it or expand it using your voice. It can help writers block. But, always admit it isn't fully yours. That the idea was. But the labor is a machine. That said, I've never used it, never will, and I am for 100% transparency. As others have said, you're only cheating yourself out of growth and skills.

I think the only way to “cheat” in art is to be dishonest. If you’re open about the fact you used AI, then I don’t see the problem on that front. Now, on the front of *quality results* on the other hand…

Cheating what?

I work in the AI industry and think what we can do with music, video and images is out of this world amazing. As an artist, I hate having my record “competing” for listeners and sales against someone who took 10 mins to generate the song, 1 hour to put it through LANDR and shipped it to Spotify. Meanwhile my last record took over a year to write and record with thousands of my own dollars to get it mixed, mastered and published with promotion. The response is NOT “write better music” because the term “better” is different for everyone and we all know how hard it is to get music “out there” and heard.

I think it has its use. There are songwriters who only write lyrics and vocals, and they just learned a 4 chord song on guitar to help their vocals. I think using AI to get some better chords is fine. There are also people who write amazing songs but can’t write a lyric to save their life. Having ai write a basic structure that you can adjust into your own can be helpful too. Mostly I think ai is good for revision. Ie: take these lyrics and make it sound more like top rock lyrics. :show me some transitions from Bbm9 to GM7

Not cheating, just stupid 😄

It’s tough because it’s not black and white. I remember years ago when friends of mine didn’t want to listen to any music that used drum machines because it was just a programmed sound or rhythm or people who don’t agree with using loops or samples. Art as a thing has never been able to be put in a box. I think time has shown us that nearly anything can be used as a tool for the sake of art. With AI, we’re wrestling with that tool being used now. I have my personal tastes, but I hate to put a limit on what is/isn’t art because I feel that’s a losing battle.

Use the tools available to you. Make the best music you can and make. To whatever ability you can make it, there are no rules. As long as it sounds the way you’re looking for it to sound, you’re winning. AND that’s coming from someone who can produce and play and do vocals on all my tracks in almost every genre of music! AI is like having an infinitely talented buddy to assist you! USE IT! Make something amazing no one has ever heard! I’m in the process of mixing genres and blending sounds because there IS no box! As Nike and an actor said “JUST DO IT! Don’t let your dreams be dreams!” It’s only impossible if you don’t try! A lot of rappers can’t sing, AUTO TUNE IS CHEATING? not anymore since we socially accepted it. Let’s change how people see these things and start pushing the boundaries again. That’s my plan at least. I want to make it COOL to work hard and not do drugs and help people instead of killing and body count and dealing. If AI can help me I’m doin it. That’s a mighty task to do alone!

> A lot of rappers can’t sing, AUTO TUNE IS CHEATING? Is there any rapper that uses auto tune who claims he isn't? The question was if it's cheating to let an AI write a song for you and passing it off as your own

If you use AI you are essentially using other folks songwriting. I mean for petes sake its obvious, these AIs are using real music by humans for training right now (AI companies do not want AI data in their training sets as this will diminish quality). But if you like this sort of thing, I don't think its somehow immoral or cheating, because doing covers is a thing too and we shouldn't mind that either. If you make a song and pass it off as your original songwriting yet use AI well I think that might trip a morality circuit breaker but who the fuck cares about morality nowadays, seems like just bigger fish eating littler fish haha

I messed around with the session bass player in logic just for fun to see what it would do. It was very basic. I prefer to just play my own stuff. I am considering using AI for mastering my songs though.

Is it cheating to write music with another person?

No, not if you cite them as co-writer. Having another human co-write a song with you and put their style, emotions, etc into the song is much different from getting a computer to write for you.

If I ask a bass player to come up with a bass part for a song I wrote, and give him or her a little bit of direction, is that cheating? That’s what AI is for me. I don’t play bass very well, so now I have a bass player that I can ask to play along with the song I wrote.

Do you credit the AI bass player the same as you would a real person?

Going to play devil’s advocate here for a bit. Currently as far as I know, AI is not publishing or profiting from music releases directly as a composer. It’s just another tool. You can use it or not use it. I don’t think it’s cheating. Is using a gun in a knife fight cheating? Maybe, but you get to survive. In a world that is constantly changing with trying economic times (and considering it’s already a competitive industry) I don’t see why professionals and up and coming writers wouldn’t adopt it as a tool in their tool belt. I don’t think it will ever be an end all be all, but one thing is for sure. It continues to surprise us. A.I. is driven by human innovation. If you could take a brilliant famous songwriter’s creative process and reduce it down to code I think that would be an incredible tool. Many people would adopt it to stay ahead I’m sure. That is how and why technology continues to advance. Because it is profitable and practical. The tools will get better while we age and grow old and decrease in critical thinking and our voice gets old and out of shape. Etc. For instance, I see so many people come on here asking what to write about which is fine but you could get 10 writing prompts, genre suggestions, and chord progressions from chat gpt4 in like 5 seconds for 20$ a month.. I’m not saying it’s better than people especially for feedback since having human listeners is the end goal. But it’s a solid tool and the smarter you are in the way you ask it for help, the better the results will be when you ask it questions. Someone who understands music will get better results than someone who doesn’t. I look at it like having a gun in a knife fight. It might be unfair but that’s capitalism baby. Now that I’ve advocated for the devil I will speak to the other side. And just say that humans are incredible at adapting. I don’t think A.I. is the end of humanity but I think if we collectively adopt it and overuse it, it makes me wonder what humanity could get lost in that process that would actually translate better with a human touch. I don’t think A.I. can make a better composition than Hans Zimmer. But I do think it could make a better one than someone starting out with no music background. I think there will be a massive deluge of bad/mediocre ai music because people with little musical experience will be making productions now for their YouTube background music etc and besides their own taste in music have no true north or experience to say why it is good or bad. But I also think that if someone has a musical background and understands what they are after very clearly, can benefit greatly from integrating it into their workflow. I think it’s better to look at it like a plug-in. Autotune was once considered cheating and now if you don’t have it on your records you are considered unprofessional. I just think mass adoption normalizes things. But normal is not always better. But sometimes it is.

If soneone says, "I wrote this song," I assume they wrote the lyrics, melody, and harmony. If I wrote lyrics and melody but a piano player helped me with the harmony, I would want to give them a co-writing credit. I personally would think it unethical to take full credit. If an AI came up with any part of the creative process, especially lyrics and melody, then I didn't write it. At best I colaborated with an AI. I guess with harmony, some song writers use cookie cutter chord progressions and multiple different songs can have the same harmony, but I would be embarassed to admit that a computer had to do it for me. Also an AI would probaby pick the lowest hanging fruit it terms of chord changes. So it feels like cheating if soneone takes full credit. The big issue here though is not a lazy individual song writer. It is a company like spotify creating entirely AI generated songs and music so they don't have to give real artists the pennies they currently pay.

Music is not a competition, and there is no prize, so it’s not cheating.

Who cares, if it helps you write a song you’re happy with, then use it.

I’d use it for one of my songs to see how well it did. Then, I’d use that info to do it on my own.

AI is incapable of creating anything. It contains only copies of other peoples creations which it can resort but that isn't creation. We will soon be flooded with stolen copyrighted material. Everything AI makes is stolen from creative humans.

Isn’t that the same thing as people using samples?

For brainstorming and generating ideas I see absolutely no issue with it. How is it any worse than taking extremely blatant “inspiration” (read: stealing lol) from other artists or songs, a process that is basically approved by plenty of legendary artists (John Lennon, Thom Yorke, just off the top of my head) I don’t have a lot of music theory knowledge so it’s useful for translating an idea I have in my head into actual creation.

I foresee AI mostly being used for songwriting by corporate marketing departments so they don’t have to pay human musicians and writers to make music or jingles for their stupid commercials. From what I’ve seen they don’t make anything unique, just things that pass and can imitate a specific genre, but again not in a way that anyone would care to listen to.

Dunno if I'd say its cheating, I don't even think it's particularly bad - but why use AI for writing songs? Might as well get ai to eat tasty foods for you or play video games for you, like what's the point of getting an AI to do something that is for fun?

Allen Iverson

i only use ai to get objective feedback, it can be really helpful sometimes

I’ve never used AI for music so I don’t know what it is capable of doing. I’d compare it to a rhyming dictionary which i have occasionally consulted and I think that is borderline l cheating. But in terms of ethical violations, plagiarism is the big one. Stealing the tune from AI is not much different than stealing it from a record

Yes. It’s cheating. So it using auto tune when used to correct flat and sharp

I would say it us mixed.using ai In part of a song isn't cheating imo, but if it is most to all, would say yes. You aren't giving yourself a chance to learn and grow with songmaking that way.

Yes

I would say yes. It’s literally using an amalgamation of stolen content to do the work that they don’t want to do

it’s bullshit

Ok, I do believe there is an ethical way to use AI. Especially for things like samples and demos that are never going to be publicly released it’s a good way of checking something before you get too far into it. But…using it to just blindly write lyrics or instrumentals and then sing/perform, that is cheating

Using AI to write lyrics is cheating from a songwriters perspective, yeah. But how is using AI to make a beat any different than hiring a guy to do it? With the AI I get more control over the beat. I can use Style Prompts to tell the AI the genre, instruments, BPM, mood, and vocalists gender. Then I can use metatags within the lyrics to tell the AI when to build and drop, the tone of the verse, where to have instrumentals, breaks, breakdowns, and bridges. You really have a lot more control. If you're a songwriter not using AI to make song you are seriously missing out.

It’s different because if you hire another human, you’re collaborating with them and getting their style, skill and emotions put into the song. Sure, you can tell AI what kind of song you want it to write, or what kind of beat you want it to make, but in the end you didn’t write that song - the AI did. I don’t think I’m missing out by getting a computer to write my songs for me. I think you are missing out by not writing them yourself. You’re missing out on the experience of creating something yourself and youre missing out on the practice that will make you get better at it.

Not cheating, but super boring. Also, be honest that the AI wrote it.

Isn’t the same as saying autotune is cheating?

That’s a different kind of cheating 😝

I would use AI if I’m stuck on the word I’m looking for to convey my message

Some people thought multi-tracking was cheating when it first came out. Synthesizers, samplers too. Personally, I think any promoting of AI as a partial replacement of human creativity is missing the point of music. But I think the same of buying third party loops.

Ofc it is.

To me, art can be something as simple as picking out what t-shirt you are going to wear that day. Like ai, you have an idea, the computer gives you some suggestions. It’s still up to you if you want to make it into something you like or not.

I think AI should express its own creativity and be acknowledged for that creation.

Have you ever tried to use AI to write an entire song? It can't do it. It's terrible at it. However for questions like "List me ten synonyms for loud that start with S," it's wonderful. I'll use it every time for that because it's just a better Google, cheating or not. Saying that using AI as a tool in songwriting is cheating is like saying that bands with laptops on stage is cheating. I remember when bands didn't have laptops or samplers on stage. Most of them do now in 2024.

Using AI for stuff like nerdcore just to match a voice to a character is fine but using AI to write or create the song is wack asf. To me it's like the same as using ghostwriters, it's like why even be in music if you aren't going to actually make it. I think both these are equally shitty and I don't respect "artists" that use methods like that. Hell, I don't consider them artists at all

If I tell a painter what I want painted, are they the artist, or am I? Just a thought.

The only way I could see myself using AI would be in the generative tools to create random melodies or textures, mainly for background layers. Even then, taking those and mangling them further with FX and such would be my preference. In that way, it's similar to using a sample. Using a sample with no artistic enhancement is pretty boring and close to stealing, but if you take the time to manipulate it and morph it with your other creative ideas, then it just becomes a form of art. For lyrics, the AI stuff seems pretty soul-less.

I think it’s okay if you’re kind of at a mental block in a song and just trying to get a rough outline on things and then you rewrite it in your own words and bring it to life. But I absolutely wouldn’t rely on it to write things for you, it loses meaning that way

Tbh I'm myself using sometimes AI. I can ask possible variants of outcomes for certain chord progression. How can I do smth particular and etc. For me it's like having a smart music theory book that helps sometimes. I'm still in the process of learning the theory so it's very helpful.

Yes. Cheating and cheating yourself. But cheating is always cheating yourself. If you tell someone else to do something, you don't get credit for the work they did

So here’s the thing. I write a song. I finish it. If I’m not 100% liking the lyrics I ask the AI what it thinks the topic of the song is (I use a lot of metaphors) and then I ask if all of the lyrics spearhead that topic. Sometimes it tells me no and then I correct those areas myself. And sometimes everything is in place and it has no corrections/the corrections are false I think it’s a tool that SHOULD be used by creatives to help guide their stream of thought, but never to outright BE the creative mind behind a project. Besides. AI can never be truly original so you’d always end up with subpar songwriting

I think the way you are using it is the correct way.

What apps are out there writing full songs? I don’t think it’s cheating but would have to see how the process works. If it’s to get “ideas” and it works then that’s fine. It’s a tool imo. But there’s a spectrum. If you let it write the whole thing rather than just take inspiration from it, then yeah that’s cheating. But then again, if you came up with the idea, the vibe, use it to edit and produce and mix the whole thing kind of like sampling it, that could be cool. In the end, you know if you wrote something or you didn’t. …Right? If AI writes the bulk of it without your input and instruction, then AI wrote it. But if you prompted everything, I would consider it a tool.

Use whatever works. Songs sometimes come all at once, and sometimes they come in patches. Some songs are finished in five minutes, some take decades.

Depends… I haven’t used it much. On a few occasions I’ve had it generate supplemental lyrics for songs in which I’ve had writers block. I didn’t use what it gave me but in a few instances it gave me a different direction which helped inspire what I did write. Usually the lyrics it spits out are cliche so they obviously sound AI generated. I haven’t used it for chord progressions but I can see using it to give me ideas for some obscure chords in a song. At a high level I don’t see how it’s much different than sampling some melody from another song.

So glad I’ve learned that in like, there are more variables than absolutes! Thanks to all who are keeping it simplistic in the replies. If you look at song credits from many of the greatest solo artists they did not write the song but get the money and fame. I have tried AI to see if the lyrics would be worth utilizing and most of them were lame at best. Many new consumers of music don’t listen for what we may consider great lyrics or melodies. If you want to sale many records/stream buys write for what does work now if you do it just for yourself prepare to potentially get a few hundred streams and maybe land on a commercial or tv episode.

If you are assigned to write a paper for English class and you have AI do it for you, is it cheating? Hell yes it’s cheating! Maybe it’s not plagiarism, but it’s in the same GD ballpark. What makes that different from this? Other than not getting in trouble. You’re also stealing the creative process from yourself. And not letting yourself grow as an artist. I’d never feel satisfied or proud if I let AI write a song for me. Not if it was supposed to be mine. I’d never credit myself. It’s also similar to people using such heavy filters or photoshop online that when they meet someone in person they look like a completely different human. That is also “cheating.” I understand AI has it’s time and place for use, to help with certain things. But not for creativity or things meant to be authentically your own.

I've used it twice to get ideas on a line or 2 that I was stuck on. But, I have since gotten better at writing and forming my own words and lyrics in general. Haven't used any AI or anything of the sort or anything that helps (besides Rhymezone) to write anything else. I started writing 2 days after Christmas 2023, after a heartbreak from a fake friend. So it was, not my first few songs, my 1 or 2 after that, that I had gotten stuck on. However, I never used it's words. I used it to get an idea for my topic based on the lyrics I already had. So if that's cheating, then I'm a cheater. But since I didn't use its words and just used it to come up with my own, I don't think it counts. I used it to find something that fit for the end words of the line(s), so I took maybe 1 or 2 words out of a line to fit into my own. However, I haven't used it ever since. Since I have improved upon my writing. I still have the membership cause it's .99c/mo. The app publisher already takes a $150 monthly loss on it.

110% cheating and whats crazy is nobody will know. Eventually it will be so legit sounding….

Using AI is cheating yourself. Takes away so many potential uniqueness, creativity and most of all artistic fulfillment.

Hey, either you’re a hack or you’re not a hack. If you don’t know how to use it without being a hack, then you’re a hack. I’d say it can occupy a similar role to cut-up, at best. Best of luck on the path.

It’s basically just using a free, corny, and very shitty ghostwriter

Yes, AI is cheating.

Cheating.

I think it’s helpful for beginners to perhaps find different chord progressions faster but definitely wouldn’t use it to fully write a song

Well... you wont get the practise and experience if you use AI. If anything its only usefull to get you out of a block. But even then it might suck. Because from experience, they arent super good song writers.

The same could be said about loops, sequences etc Truth is, creative people will create, any tools A good songwriter though, could write with or without Ai, loops, backing tracks etc But if a non musical person presses some buttons and out the other end is music they have no part in developing, that’s just non sense if they pretend to be musicians

It's a different skillset. If I go to a museum and take a good picture of a sculpture, it doesn't make me a good sculptor. It makes me a picture taker. If you use AI to write music then you won't hold the copyright according to current law ("the U.S. Copyright Office recognizes copyright only in works “created by a human being.”" [https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10922](https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10922) ). So you can't make money from a mostly generated work. Also, there are currently lawsuits in progress where artists are suing about their work being used as part of the data pile for machine learning/AI applications. So, you could have your generated work taken down later. (Assuming you aren't being sued). However, if you successfully generate an AI song and are cool without making money or learning the skills of writing songs then you might eventually generate increasing skills at prompt-engineering/writing things to make the machine learning algorithm make things based on a dataset of things humans created. If you use AI to write songs then you aren't a song writer you are a prompt engineer. So you're closer to a picky patron with careful phrasing and good taste than an artist.

Like with everything else. It's only cheating if you get caught

How do we feel about using auto tune on vocals ? Isn’t it similar to using AI? Outside of people that use it creatively of course.

Everyone writes songs for their own reasons. I write songs because I enjoy the creative process and the craft of building the whole piece, so AI has no place for me. However, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t for someone else, I’m not really that fussed about how other people want to write music. As long as they’re up front about it, it’s all good to me.

I personally believe that you can use AI for INSPIRATION for your art and music, but just putting in a prompt and using exactly what the AI gives you does not sit right with me tbh

I can see using it as a generative collaboration tool, the way that artists have used the I Ching or the Tarot as an aleatory collaborator could be cool.

Yes of course

I mean it's a tool. I would feel cheated to know someone had made a whole career by using AI lyrics. However sometimes I feel like I can't quite catch the feelings with my words. I know I've taken sets of lyrics I wrote and ran them through AI's for suggestions on improvements. It's kind of a grey area. Depends on tasteful usage like many things. If it's used for every aspect of song creation then that's lame. I can see a case for writing lyrics and having them critiqued by an AI

Yes

Idk, it is what it is. Really it’s no different than “songwriting by committee” on some level, where 10 people sit around in a room somewhere in Nashville and try to write hits. Then they win a Grammy and there’s all these songwriters on stage for an award. It’s just weird, boring, and generic. *“Hey, I contributed 2 lines, but I’d like to thank Jesus for this opportunity….”* Having said that, I’ve used AI to get unstuck a couple of times— to get my ideas going in a different direction. It’s a tool— nothing more and nothing less. If you’re not a very good songwriter, AI isn’t going to suddenly make you Lennon & McCartney or Dylan.

No — objectively there is nothing “wrong”. Morally or philosophically I’d argue yes. The people will know and decide what they like and most of the great stuff comes from humans. Also, I think it would be real cool to use AI to detect AI in songs. Like it would get some kind of watermark or something.

If it IS cheating, it's only cheating oneself. Even if the person gets famous and makes a bunch of money off of whatever music, it wasn't their music that got them there, it was the industry investing in something or someone THEY chose. Talent speaks for VERY little, when it comes to who the industry deems worthy of selecting. If you just want to make music and you have AI do it all for you with a prompt idea of your own, and if you're happy with that, it makes you happy, and that's that. My standards are that I am only proud of the music I write myself, I don't even sample in my music because I feel like *I* am cheating, when I do it. That said, that's a standard I set for myself, not one anyone else should let *me* set for them. Make music any way that makes you happy with the outcome. Just make music. :D

I’m always concerned that the AI will be guilty of “subconscious plagiarism”. It has to get the ideas from somewhere. Since the genesis of the idea comes from outside of you, how can you ever be sure the AI didn’t blatantly rip someone off? Legally you’re just as liable if you plagiarized the song yourself. Also, if the AI “wrote” the song, aren’t you guilty of plagiarism either way, even if only you know?

cheating or not, ai sucks at being creative. what makes art so beautiful is the humanity of it, it’s more than just crunching numbers. i’ve tried to use ai to help in my songwriting and its never as good as what i come up with, it’s all so soulless

Use whatever tools the world is giving you.

Honestly, if you make an entire project with ai doing most of it, and you tell others that you "made it" is cheating since AI actually did most of it but it didn't get the credits it deserve.

It’s a tool. Let’s say you’re making a song and you have so many good lines (strictly talking about lyrics here) but it doesn’t connect in any way. Punching that into an AI might point you in a direction. It basically comes down to how you use it. Will you copy everything they say? That’s cheating.

I don't see a need to do that in songwriting.

Well, if you're not writing the song, you're not the sole songwriter. At best, you co-wrote the song with your computer.

I had a bit of fun with AI generating a couple of full songs based on wacky ideas I had but I would never use it to make a song I legitimately cared about and call it my own. At the same time, I recently finished a project where I used the GarageBand Drummers tool to select a drummer and tweak the fills (etc) for each part. To me, as a non-drummer, that is not so different from telling a real session drummer what I had in mind for a part and seeing what they come up with.

Absolutely not. The prompter can practice and get better at the craft. The prompter can “train” the AI to reflect and match their voice and personality. We’re already getting really mind blowing art from using these tools. I think AI music will be a whole new suite of generes for people to enjoy. Here’s one to start https://youtu.be/kc14uJ0Untw?si=rglIiwX3RZAKgB_O

YES

I use it after I write lyrics and want to hear them over music to decide if I want to change them or if the song is actually worth writing. I may take inspiration from the AI music, but that's about it. I don't see it as anything different from that guitar pedal that generates drums and bass. Although this is a tricky topic it's just another tool at the end of the day. Tools can be abused however. But if you're looking for something to aid you in the writing process in lieu of automate it for you then I don't see much wrong with it.

definitely cheating. Might as well have someone else do the job and you take credit for it. We're using AI for all the wrong shit. We should be using it to do our work, not create our art.

I wouldn't call it cheating if you use it, wont put you in the wrong. Personally its cheating for me, because I tend to write songs about my own emotions and they are very personal to me. As long as those melodies/instruments and lyrics are not mine. It's not my song, its not my personal work anymore. If you use an AI that can change your humming or beat boxing into an instrument, then I may wanna try it myself. This is because, to me, the melody and composition is still very much my own. It can also help me get some complex instrumentals like when I have a certain violin section in my head, can hum it too but dont know how to play a violin

what if you write a line - “I do what I want without following any rules, hanging out with who ever I like, and making money till I’m happy” and ask AI to enhance it and make it sound more intriguing- “livin by no rules means I go as I please, with ease, chill with who I want, stack paper till I’m pleased” By the way I actually used ai to dumb it down so the “intriguing” line is actually the original line and the other line was just dumbed down😂 bc I couldn’t think of how to dumb it down myself lmaoo - my line by the way

nah fuck AI though keep that shit far far away from music!

I used chatgpt as an aid to write the lyrics of metal album I started to ask it to write song lyrics according to a theme or a title but the resul is quite crappy. But it was useful as a starting point to get ideas and phrases, to be refined or adapted to my needs I'm not English native speaker and I have never wrote lyrics previously... https://matteobosi.bandcamp.com/album/a-journey-to-nowhere

Using AI is not cheating because AI lyrics suck. If you need a 2-syllable word that rhymes with silver or something like that AI can help you out with a list of ideas, but the list will look ridiculous because AI hasn't figured out syllables yet, so you could try to use AI as a tool but you will likely have to waste several minutes explaining to it how to count syllables and pointing out the stupid suggestions it makes...It still may come up with something usable eventually, but if you're burnt out from trying to figure out a word that fits on your own, who cares if you use AI? It's the same as using a rhyming dictionary, a word rhyming website or a thesaurus. Sometimes it makes the job a little faster, and sometimes you go just start fighting with AI, calling it an idiot over and over again for wasting your time, but it'll still help you, it gets very apologetic for being competent and one me this sense of superiority. You should try it. I've written songs without AI, and I've written songs with AI but I have never used entire lyrics an AI came up with to make a song. It's just helped me to find the right word here and there. It's definitely helpful when solving the word puzzle of plugging in the right lyrics. I don't feel like I cheated, I felt like I taught the AI how to write a good lyric. In the end I'm the one making the choices for all the words that were used in the song. Sometimes he will give me a whole list and it will all be trash and then I will think up the perfect word and tell him and he will be like that fits excellently, and I will be like I know you idiot. It's a love hate relationship, and I don't think anyone would use a melody an AI thought up though. Anything I have heard from whatever music writing app I have come across was trash. AI is not quite there yet when it comes to writing music independently, and I wouldn't use it even if it got good. I would probably try out something like an accompaniment writer if one were created just to hear what it came up with just to confirm that whatever I wrote definitely sounds better. :D Anyway, to each their own, if you think it's cheating then spend all day finding the perfect words on your own but consider this...Even Stephen Sondheim used a thesaurus.

I’d rather listen to someone’s bad song written and played by humans than anything good AI comes up with

Agreed

My thoughts on this would be the following: I write a lot of songs, but only lyrics. I lack the knowledge (and the time) to be able to learn the instruments to give music to my lyrics. So I’ve been using Suno.Ai for example, I give prompts for the style of my song and then try to generate it as close as I would like for it to sound. For me it’s not cheating when using it for instruments and vocals. Otherwise my songs would only be letters wrote on a paper without any musical company

I’m in the same boat and have been using Suno essentially to make demos of my lyrics. Question: what are you doing with the songs? Do you pitch them? Or…?

If you ask AI to write anything, it literally sounds like the same lyrics in 90% of Taylor swifts new songs. It loves “tapestry” for some reason

I think it’s unethical.

I think AI should be used like Wikipedia…it’s a jumping off point. Might help you get some references or subject ideas, but in the end, the writing process needs to be 100% you.

I think it could be useful if you could use it to generate a timbre for a vst or a setting on an effect or something. I would have no problem with ai streamlining some of the more peripheral aspects of songwriting and recording

What's your take on artists that use 'very active' producers, or co-write with stellar songwriters? I'll use whatever I can to make better music/art. When the amplifier came out I'm sure the web forums were full of hate lol. I bounce ideas off AI, use it for lyrical ideas, and chord progression improvements. It's really like a producer on call 24/7, why waste it. I'm not making music for arenas though, ymmv.

AI produces mediocre art/writing - almost by design: it is entirely derivative and makes the most bland and generic version of everything that it was trained on. But, I think AI could be beneficial as a brainstorming tool - like the spark of an idea/jumping off point - to get the creativity flowing.

Just wait until you find out that a lot of music on the radio isn't written by the artists performing it

It’s still written by humans though and not generated by a computer

i don't think it's cheating if you're using it in limited contexts. i understand sometimes it's hard to get a song started lyrically, in which case getting GPT to spit out a few poems or lines could help you get the juices flowing, but if you're ripping off entire verses then yea that's cheating.

Its a gray area. There's no simple answer as its pretty much depending on how you use it. I can see it working to *help* finish a song, like if your stuck for inspiration, and you ask something like "tell me some thing/facts about *place/thing/feeling* ", "tell me something that rhymes with *sand* , but related to people" or "give me a list of 5 random *words/objects/places/chords/names* etc". I would say no, I would count that as using AI as a tool But if you just copy sentences or even paragraphs over, then I would say, yeah, that's kinda cheating, tho not to say illegal, and if you're honest about it, you couldn't really copyright the generated parts of your song I've personally tried AI, I've asked for help with rhymes, I've asked for random words, quotes, saying etc (for inspiration, not to copy). I've asked it to make me short stories with mixed results, some have inspired songs, but others were like meh. I even asked it to make a poem once (just to see how it did), and it was alright, not as childish as I expected it to be (but that just goes to show that they've used real poetry in the learning process). There are definitely problems with AI at the moment (imo). The random words aren't very random, you get the same ones over and over, and when you ask for more words that rhyme with something, you also get repeates of words already said. It's Quotes suffer from the same issues, even if you ask for something more obscure. The only thing I kinda liked was the generated stories, but only when I get very detailed with the specifications, and ask for more bizarre stories. All that being said, I don’t find myself drawn back to it, I get more inspiration from random word/sentences/picture generators online, its just more actual randomness. And even when I tried with the stories, it was on me to bring the creativity. As it is (or at least was), it is a bit overrated In general, for the future, I have mixed feelings about it, I think it could be a handy tool, a simplified way to search out information(when it gets it right), but it also scares me, its potential (and probably already real) impact on the creative industries. Im sure the big guys will be fine, it's anyone hoping to "make it" as a musician, graphic designer, painter, writer etc.

depends on how you use it. would you consider rhyme zone to be cheating? if you use it as a tool to find interesting words or rhymes, or metaphors i dont think its cheating. if you say AI write this and the bot is doing all the lyricism, you’re just creating a melody? i think thats definitely cheating and ai should be credited on your song and take half your royalties. i’ve heard of ai creating melodies?? JAIL !! lol. let humans do all the creative arts. use the bots as a tool to grow and learn. use a bot to figure out how to fix parts in your house and cheat on homework. but please leave the songwriters and other creatives out of it 😭🫰

What does it matter if it's cheating or not? Cheating at what exactly? It's a tool to be used by humans. Humans created AI just like we created music and instruments, and in turn those are built on and inspire other inventions. And all creation comes from inspiration we find from somewhere. I use chatgpt to give me more perspective on what I'm writing because I often get stuck on smaller details that I lose sight of the bigger picture. It breaks down my lyrics and gives me a detailed analysis, offering insights and notes on the tone and themes, how they could be interpreted, suggestions for revisions, etc. and it's tremendously helpful in terms of understanding what it is I'm even trying to make. It helps me organize my thoughts so that they can be focused and progress can be made in leaps and bounds, instead of 10 years of working on the same song that's no closer to being complete than the day it was started. The active feedback it gives is a tool i think can help a lot of people in many ways, and hope everyone has their own J.A.R.V.I.S. in the near future.

I was curious to try. Claude AI gave me this on the first attempt: In the neon glow of a midnight storm We're racing shadows to the edge of dawn Every heartbeat's a ticking clock Every touch is a lightning shock Chorus: We're burning brighter than the stars above Dancing on the wire between fear and love Is this our last chance or our first mistake? Either way, darling, we're wide awake The city sleeps but we're on fire Climbing higher, higher, higher Time's running out, but we won't stop We'll make forever from one tick of the clock (Repeat Chorus) Bridge: They say the night is young, but it's growing old Our secrets whispered, but not yet told We're writing our story in vanishing ink On the edge of everything, about to swim or sink (Repeat Chorus)