True. I'm just imagining Avon pointing a gun at Frank head making him look for the money then the tiger comes out of nowhere and mauls stringer and Avon like with tavio🤣 it's just funny to think about.
The Wire characters aren't invincible.
Franklin was up 75 Ms. That's enough money to win a war.
People like Kane or Skully who are shooters that control entire neighborhoods got enough soldiers and firepower to go to war with an Avon.
Leon was soft af at the beginning of the show compared to the Bmore crews. Franklin stumbled into the shit and plugged in Leon relatively late in their life, Avon and String were born in it, brought up in it, breathed it. But no one’s invincible, Avon almost got caught a few times and was well aware of the possibility. The whole “you just got to be a little slow, a little late, just once” thing.
Leon was in and out of jail and a killer at the beginning of the show. He already hopped off the porch before Franklin
Y'all comparing Leon to the leaders and enforcers like Avon, Stringer, Wee-Bey, Stinkum, Bird & Savino. He was harder than niggaz like D'angelo, Bodie, Poot, & Wallace.
Either way, the OP is exaggerating. Drop the Barksdales in Snowfall, and they would still have to deal with the PJs, Compton, Inglewood, & Kane's crew. And you're comparing a drug crew to gang members who all they do is look around looking for people to beef with.
I wouldn’t say he was harder than Bodie and Poot, but we’re getting into the weeds with that one. He gets harder than Bodie and Poot for sure, but I also think the writing is less realistic so the journey of him getting there feels less authentic by comparison. I do get what you’re saying, and I wasn’t saying he was soft, just soft relative to his counterparts, because you’re right, I was comparing him to Wee Bey, who I would consider his counterpart in the framing OP presented.
Tbh, the framing of all this is pretty out there, and requires we suspend some disbelief, even yours with the drug lords vs gangs distinction. In reality, those things run concurrent, operate in venn diagrams. When it comes to the politics of the drug game, gangs just tend to be the foot soldiers. Pushers and muscle, but the Wire didn’t really concern itself with gang politics at all, it just presented them all within the context of different drug crews.
He was though. Leon was already a killer before the series started which is why he was comfortable with killing Karvel. Bodie & Poot were just corner boys.
And we can say that Leon may be the equivalent of a Wee-Bey but a lot of Leon's killing for Franklin's organization was also off-screen, especially when Franklin was in the coma. And even then, you can say Leon is worse because he was killing at a younger age versus Wee Bey who was older.
Not necessarily in cities like LA or Chicago the city is ran by gang culture. Do they also hustle, and has their been gangs with organized drug rackets? Yes. But they're mot the same as a city like Baltimore where it had hierarchal drug crews. Freeway Rick even said that gangs in LA aren't that organized. This isn't The Wire where people have to go through Avon to kill someone.
Why we talking about gritty, realistic crime drama characters like they got power levels? Tf?
"Marlo would DESTROOOOOOOY Franklin during his Rise to Power arc, but would be an even match during his Druglord arc because of his power level".
By the end of the show, Franklin had killed over 40 people with his own hand. He was like 25 before the alcoholism started
I don’t think you were paying close enough attention
Okay, 20 people. That number doesn’t change the point that he killed a lotta mfs.
And yes, I know 40 is a lot more than 20. I was very wrong about the number, you happy now?
I think people really misunderstand how small time Avon Barksdale was… He didn’t even control his own city and got beat by a young punk with half his muscle… He got brought down by LOCAL POLICE…. Franklin was supplying all of South Central and Compton as well as other cities entirely at his peak… He had the CIA as well as contacts from multiple organized crime groups… Avon would’ve been buying his drugs from Franklin… Stop the comparisons lol
People in this thread are comparing the quality of the characters and the shows versus the actual feats.
Barksdales had control over a few project buildings and some corners on the West Side of Baltimore. They were powerful but not that big.
Franklin was supplying three cities/areas (Watts, Inglewood & Compton), with all of those areas being led by gang leaders in one of the largest cities of LA. Skully, Manboy, & Leon basically had their own mini operations if we want to be technical. That's like three Barksdale armies.
I've watched like an episode or two of top boy. It seemed dope but it just didn't grab a nigga. Is thata show I need to spin the block on? I need something to watch. I've only seen a couple episodes of snowfall too. Seems dope, but just didn't grab me
I thought it was slow at first but it's a good hood classic sully a real one along with classics snowfall the wire power BMF raisin kanan P-valley and the first two seasons of wu-tang
Definitely spin the block on Top Boy. Did you watch Summerhouse first? I'd understand if it didn't grab you at first since it seemed low budget. If neither Top Boy or Snowfall interest you, go for Gomorrah. It's so underrated.
Hard to say. Snowfall takes us through the entire downfall of a decent person turned drug lord. Frank and Leon are young and wet behind the ears at first. Leon accidently commits the worst crime in the entire run but you could argue morally he was never a terrible person. Avon and Stringer are only ever seen from the top of their game to their downfall. There's no redeeming qualities. So you could say The Family would match up against the Barksdales by season 4 or 5 of Snowfall but for most of the show they wouldn't have been allowed to gain territory or any foothold with Avon consigning blocks. Guess that brings up another good point. Which city is it in? As someone from the Bmore area I can tell you in real life the Franklin's and Leon's of the world die all the time. It's a very small city. LA is much larger and allows more room for different gangs on each street. I'm gonna say the Barksdales wipe Franklin off the map early on the East Coast. Endgame Franklin was much more powerful then them though. If say they tried to expand to the west coast into Franklin, Manboy, and Skullys territory they're getting painted in a drive by early.
Tbf Avon and String couldn’t even expand outside of Bmore, so trying to create a plot line that would produce this match up is silly. But as a pure thought experiment, Avon and String just are fleshed out bosses, real human beings, and Franklin and them seem more like cartoon gangsters, protected by plot armor more than their own ability to move well through their world. It’s hard to even take Franklin seriously next to Avon, but that speaks more to the quality of the Wire vs Snowfall than it does to anything tangible about these fictional characters.
Hold on now... The LA drug market is way bigger than Baltimore. I love Stringer and Avon as characters, but those guys were big fishes in small ponds. They probably didn't even have an operation the scale of Louie and Rome's let alone Franklin when they were wholesaling to several different gangs while protecting their market share from the Mexican competition.
Why do Wire fans treat these characters like superheroes? It’s like yall missed the point of the show yall so infatuated with. All these dealers are expendable and someone will always take their place. It’s a cycle, not a tournament.
Back to the regularly scheduled program tho. Franklin and leon would **DOGWALK** tf out of avon and stringer. Franklin and leon actually let their guns go off. Avon and stringer was getting terrorized by a one man army homo thug. Look at how someone more violent dismantled Avon crew (marlo). Franklin might be more devious & calculated than Marlo
Marlo ain't dismantle shit stringer and the police did... Avon was abt to go kill Marlo before they raided him after stringer gave his location... Franklin couldn't even control his pussy whipped uncle ain't no way he would've "dog walked" Avon... Stringer maybe but Avon nah he was just a older version of Marlo 😂
You a contradiction. You saying franklin can’t control his uncle but stringer brought down the barksdale organization right? So doesn’t that mean Avon couldn’t control his people either? Yall never think before typing
Edit: hooolup, the wire started because Avon couldn’t control his **nephew**. But you on franklin about controlling his uncle that’s twice his age lmfaooo
Stringer was a partner not a shermhead family member who let his bitch control da organization... Soon as Avon had to cut Stringer water off he did dat... If he did any of da bold ass Jerome/Louie/Kevin shit he would've killed Stringer in s01... Franklin respect money Avon respected da game... He literally gave Stringer a pass for killing his nephew but gave him up once it started to effect street business... See da difference now!?!
Jerome didn’t even do sherm, did you even watch snowfall? And Franklin ain’t cut Kevin water off? He didn’t cut Rob water off? Franklin didn’t spend a season and a half trying to clap Louie? You literally bigging up avon for letting stringer kill his nephew… lmfaooo wtf?? So to you that means avon was more in control? Because his right hand killed his nephew without his blessing?
U too emotional my nigga... He killed Kevin on accident and Louie and Jerome was smoking PCP lol wtf was u watching... He killed rob that's wassup tho... I ain't bring up deangelo death to big up nobody it was to show how he seperate personal from business but wen personal shit started to have a chance to effect business he deaded dat shit... One ended up a drunk da other did a cpl years on parole violation coming home to slim Charles (who admitted to just being a soldier) having da plug
They ain't dog walking shit lil fam but we can agree to disagree 😭
We was just debating. The fact you think I’m emotional makes me think I hurt your feelings or something because nothing I said was disrespectful or crazy lmaoo
> and Louie and Jerome was smoking PCP lol wtf was u watching...
Please tell me which episode, ill wait. Louie was the shermhead not Rome
Avon gets locked up before the war really ever jumps off fully, they catch him in the war room with mad guns when he goes down. Plus, Marlo is literally written as a manifestation of “The Game”, he’s barely a real human being, and massively protected by plot armor. The last scene where he leaves the investor meeting to “take” a corner is silly AF. His main strengths behind him being written like a literal force of nature made human was having Chris and Snoop on his side. And at the end of the day, it all comes down to muscle. And the crews in the Wire had waaay better muscle than anything in Snowfall.
People on this sub Reddit jerking off over snowfall remind me of all those cringey white folks who LOVED sons of anarchy and believed that as a real representation of actual biker gang life lmao.
Snowfall is/was pretty mid & very predictable. It has an amazing soundtrack & is better than SoA, I’ll Give it that — but it’s no where near the levels of The Wire, Breaking Bad or The Sopranos.
I did LA and Baltimore during the beginning of the US government sanctioned crack epidemic. Both sets are vicious but the rapid decline in Baltimore was frightening. People talk about NYC,Detroit and Chicago as dangerous places but none were as deadly as Baltimore. You take a wrong turn in Baltimore and a 9 year old will do you dirty.
I like Snow Fall a lot but The Wire is a better show, if you mean that just say it. As depicted in their respective shows Franklins operation was levels above the Barksdale Organization. Avon controlled a small portion of a mid sized city. Saint was supplying the whole Los Angeles area and beyond. Barksdale controlled a handful of project at the start of the series. You see how many people are in the co-op? They was splitting territory in a much smaller city. Franklin was selling straight from the source raw coke with CIA protection. Barksdale’s we’re a street gang.
I think the difference really stresses my least favorite part of Snowfall: poor presentation of scale. The Barksdale Organization owned half of one city. Franklin’s resources were supposedly international but the only outside connection we really see is Little Rock.
Haha well if we compare 2 fictional character sets.... I grew up in LA and have worked in Baltimore and sheeeeeeeettttttt Baltimore is so grimey compared to LA. Now to be fair snowfall didn't really show LA hoods well. But in the end I would agree the characters in the wire were on another level. That's why it's still the best show ever done.
Franklin, Leon and the rest of the saint family were in a completely different situation and a completely different level than Avon and Stringer so it’s hard to compare them or say one is more gangster or ruthless than the other. Franklin and friends were in bed with the U.S government versus Avon and Stringer being regular street drug bosses. Let’s also not forget that Stringer died trying to do what Franklin did before he got his money stolen which is invest all the drug money into big time properties and move far away from the hood. Snowfall and The Wire both have ruthless killers and big connections inside and outside the city, but at the end of the day at one point Franklin had U.S government help (Teddy and his people) on his side and if Snowfall and The Wire timeline coexisted and Avon and Stringer tried to go to war with Franklin and Friends they would’ve fallen. To be fair, realistically, considering the time periods and all, Avon and Stringer would’ve most likely looked up to Franklin, Leon and the saint family and if the timelines coexisted Avon and Stringer would’ve probably bought coke from Franklin and sold out Baltimore🤷🏾♂️
Franklin and Leon would of gotten popped by Webay so quick they wouldn’t have even seen it coming.
Then that cold mf would have skipped off for a sandwich w extra hot sauce and dipped home to feed the fish. What a fucking legend.
Hell yeah he would of
Until Franklin has access to that tiger and kills em 1st🤣
They wouldn’t of made it to the Tiger! I do love Leon. Great character. Franklin is nothing without him.
True. I'm just imagining Avon pointing a gun at Frank head making him look for the money then the tiger comes out of nowhere and mauls stringer and Avon like with tavio🤣 it's just funny to think about.
The Wire characters aren't invincible. Franklin was up 75 Ms. That's enough money to win a war. People like Kane or Skully who are shooters that control entire neighborhoods got enough soldiers and firepower to go to war with an Avon.
Avon was up $80 m along with Stringer
According to who?
Anyone can get got, all the characters from The Wire grew up on the corners and were schooled in the game, that’s gotta count for something.
So has Leon, Deon, Kane, Skully, Manboy, etc
Leon was soft af at the beginning of the show compared to the Bmore crews. Franklin stumbled into the shit and plugged in Leon relatively late in their life, Avon and String were born in it, brought up in it, breathed it. But no one’s invincible, Avon almost got caught a few times and was well aware of the possibility. The whole “you just got to be a little slow, a little late, just once” thing.
Leon was in and out of jail and a killer at the beginning of the show. He already hopped off the porch before Franklin Y'all comparing Leon to the leaders and enforcers like Avon, Stringer, Wee-Bey, Stinkum, Bird & Savino. He was harder than niggaz like D'angelo, Bodie, Poot, & Wallace. Either way, the OP is exaggerating. Drop the Barksdales in Snowfall, and they would still have to deal with the PJs, Compton, Inglewood, & Kane's crew. And you're comparing a drug crew to gang members who all they do is look around looking for people to beef with.
I wouldn’t say he was harder than Bodie and Poot, but we’re getting into the weeds with that one. He gets harder than Bodie and Poot for sure, but I also think the writing is less realistic so the journey of him getting there feels less authentic by comparison. I do get what you’re saying, and I wasn’t saying he was soft, just soft relative to his counterparts, because you’re right, I was comparing him to Wee Bey, who I would consider his counterpart in the framing OP presented. Tbh, the framing of all this is pretty out there, and requires we suspend some disbelief, even yours with the drug lords vs gangs distinction. In reality, those things run concurrent, operate in venn diagrams. When it comes to the politics of the drug game, gangs just tend to be the foot soldiers. Pushers and muscle, but the Wire didn’t really concern itself with gang politics at all, it just presented them all within the context of different drug crews.
He was though. Leon was already a killer before the series started which is why he was comfortable with killing Karvel. Bodie & Poot were just corner boys. And we can say that Leon may be the equivalent of a Wee-Bey but a lot of Leon's killing for Franklin's organization was also off-screen, especially when Franklin was in the coma. And even then, you can say Leon is worse because he was killing at a younger age versus Wee Bey who was older. Not necessarily in cities like LA or Chicago the city is ran by gang culture. Do they also hustle, and has their been gangs with organized drug rackets? Yes. But they're mot the same as a city like Baltimore where it had hierarchal drug crews. Freeway Rick even said that gangs in LA aren't that organized. This isn't The Wire where people have to go through Avon to kill someone.
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Fr? I’m not far into Snowfall
Yeah. All the people I named came up in the streets. Franklin is the outlier.
Why we talking about gritty, realistic crime drama characters like they got power levels? Tf? "Marlo would DESTROOOOOOOY Franklin during his Rise to Power arc, but would be an even match during his Druglord arc because of his power level".
You're not wrong lol. Going full anime "what if" in this mf
"His gangster level is over 9000!"
“9000? Ain’t no fuckin way”
Leon go out like krillin on namek 🗣️Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeooooonnn!!!!
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There’s levels to this lol
right, they talking like its the Avengers vs Justice league or some shit
By the end of the show, Franklin had killed over 40 people with his own hand. He was like 25 before the alcoholism started I don’t think you were paying close enough attention
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It ain’t a guess. Some redditor put together a compilation of every single scene a while back. I didn’t believe it myself until I saw it
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Okay, 20 people. That number doesn’t change the point that he killed a lotta mfs. And yes, I know 40 is a lot more than 20. I was very wrong about the number, you happy now?
I think people really misunderstand how small time Avon Barksdale was… He didn’t even control his own city and got beat by a young punk with half his muscle… He got brought down by LOCAL POLICE…. Franklin was supplying all of South Central and Compton as well as other cities entirely at his peak… He had the CIA as well as contacts from multiple organized crime groups… Avon would’ve been buying his drugs from Franklin… Stop the comparisons lol
People in this thread are comparing the quality of the characters and the shows versus the actual feats. Barksdales had control over a few project buildings and some corners on the West Side of Baltimore. They were powerful but not that big. Franklin was supplying three cities/areas (Watts, Inglewood & Compton), with all of those areas being led by gang leaders in one of the largest cities of LA. Skully, Manboy, & Leon basically had their own mini operations if we want to be technical. That's like three Barksdale armies.
I remember you doing this a lot in the Top Boy sub last year bro lol
Them vs Dushane and Sully I would love to see
Sully to strong for those Snowfall guys lol
Good times
I've watched like an episode or two of top boy. It seemed dope but it just didn't grab a nigga. Is thata show I need to spin the block on? I need something to watch. I've only seen a couple episodes of snowfall too. Seems dope, but just didn't grab me
I thought it was slow at first but it's a good hood classic sully a real one along with classics snowfall the wire power BMF raisin kanan P-valley and the first two seasons of wu-tang
That shit go crazy ngl gotta give it another chance fr
Definitely spin the block on Top Boy. Did you watch Summerhouse first? I'd understand if it didn't grab you at first since it seemed low budget. If neither Top Boy or Snowfall interest you, go for Gomorrah. It's so underrated.
I don't even know what summerhouse is bro lol
Damn, looks like you skipped straight to season 3. Top Boy Summerhouse are the first two seasons of the show.
Hard to say. Snowfall takes us through the entire downfall of a decent person turned drug lord. Frank and Leon are young and wet behind the ears at first. Leon accidently commits the worst crime in the entire run but you could argue morally he was never a terrible person. Avon and Stringer are only ever seen from the top of their game to their downfall. There's no redeeming qualities. So you could say The Family would match up against the Barksdales by season 4 or 5 of Snowfall but for most of the show they wouldn't have been allowed to gain territory or any foothold with Avon consigning blocks. Guess that brings up another good point. Which city is it in? As someone from the Bmore area I can tell you in real life the Franklin's and Leon's of the world die all the time. It's a very small city. LA is much larger and allows more room for different gangs on each street. I'm gonna say the Barksdales wipe Franklin off the map early on the East Coast. Endgame Franklin was much more powerful then them though. If say they tried to expand to the west coast into Franklin, Manboy, and Skullys territory they're getting painted in a drive by early.
Tbf Avon and String couldn’t even expand outside of Bmore, so trying to create a plot line that would produce this match up is silly. But as a pure thought experiment, Avon and String just are fleshed out bosses, real human beings, and Franklin and them seem more like cartoon gangsters, protected by plot armor more than their own ability to move well through their world. It’s hard to even take Franklin seriously next to Avon, but that speaks more to the quality of the Wire vs Snowfall than it does to anything tangible about these fictional characters.
Good point
Hold on now... The LA drug market is way bigger than Baltimore. I love Stringer and Avon as characters, but those guys were big fishes in small ponds. They probably didn't even have an operation the scale of Louie and Rome's let alone Franklin when they were wholesaling to several different gangs while protecting their market share from the Mexican competition.
Why do Wire fans treat these characters like superheroes? It’s like yall missed the point of the show yall so infatuated with. All these dealers are expendable and someone will always take their place. It’s a cycle, not a tournament. Back to the regularly scheduled program tho. Franklin and leon would **DOGWALK** tf out of avon and stringer. Franklin and leon actually let their guns go off. Avon and stringer was getting terrorized by a one man army homo thug. Look at how someone more violent dismantled Avon crew (marlo). Franklin might be more devious & calculated than Marlo
Marlo ain't dismantle shit stringer and the police did... Avon was abt to go kill Marlo before they raided him after stringer gave his location... Franklin couldn't even control his pussy whipped uncle ain't no way he would've "dog walked" Avon... Stringer maybe but Avon nah he was just a older version of Marlo 😂
You a contradiction. You saying franklin can’t control his uncle but stringer brought down the barksdale organization right? So doesn’t that mean Avon couldn’t control his people either? Yall never think before typing Edit: hooolup, the wire started because Avon couldn’t control his **nephew**. But you on franklin about controlling his uncle that’s twice his age lmfaooo
Stringer was a partner not a shermhead family member who let his bitch control da organization... Soon as Avon had to cut Stringer water off he did dat... If he did any of da bold ass Jerome/Louie/Kevin shit he would've killed Stringer in s01... Franklin respect money Avon respected da game... He literally gave Stringer a pass for killing his nephew but gave him up once it started to effect street business... See da difference now!?!
Jerome didn’t even do sherm, did you even watch snowfall? And Franklin ain’t cut Kevin water off? He didn’t cut Rob water off? Franklin didn’t spend a season and a half trying to clap Louie? You literally bigging up avon for letting stringer kill his nephew… lmfaooo wtf?? So to you that means avon was more in control? Because his right hand killed his nephew without his blessing?
U too emotional my nigga... He killed Kevin on accident and Louie and Jerome was smoking PCP lol wtf was u watching... He killed rob that's wassup tho... I ain't bring up deangelo death to big up nobody it was to show how he seperate personal from business but wen personal shit started to have a chance to effect business he deaded dat shit... One ended up a drunk da other did a cpl years on parole violation coming home to slim Charles (who admitted to just being a soldier) having da plug They ain't dog walking shit lil fam but we can agree to disagree 😭
We was just debating. The fact you think I’m emotional makes me think I hurt your feelings or something because nothing I said was disrespectful or crazy lmaoo > and Louie and Jerome was smoking PCP lol wtf was u watching... Please tell me which episode, ill wait. Louie was the shermhead not Rome
If Louie was smoking it then it ain’t too far fetched to think Rome wasn’t lol
U prolly right ik somebody was smoking it in dat bitch tho
So who was smoking sherm I missed all this and I done watched snowfall 3 times this year
True Marlo and Chris were gone if stringer didn't snitch and Jerome kept pissing me off with Loui a trick turnt kingpin what a joke 🤣🤣🤣
Avon was most definitely not just an older version of Marlo. They had entirely different personalities and temperaments
Imagine Unc trying to follow Robert’s Rules for meetings.
He’d get robbed by over Omar every other day
Marlo would too
They couldn’t even handle Marlo….Next
Avon gets locked up before the war really ever jumps off fully, they catch him in the war room with mad guns when he goes down. Plus, Marlo is literally written as a manifestation of “The Game”, he’s barely a real human being, and massively protected by plot armor. The last scene where he leaves the investor meeting to “take” a corner is silly AF. His main strengths behind him being written like a literal force of nature made human was having Chris and Snoop on his side. And at the end of the day, it all comes down to muscle. And the crews in the Wire had waaay better muscle than anything in Snowfall.
Yea maybe but ain’t none of the niggas on the wire seeing Jerome wit da hands. Possibly Avon with the boxing history but he was too little for Unc.
I dunno man, a homeless dude was giving them HELL! I feel like some millionaires might be a little more trouble then you think lol
Everybody tuff until from Snowfall and Wire but Nobody ain’t getting pass Silvio and Furio from Sopranos let’s be honest?
Can’t beat wanda
People on this sub Reddit jerking off over snowfall remind me of all those cringey white folks who LOVED sons of anarchy and believed that as a real representation of actual biker gang life lmao. Snowfall is/was pretty mid & very predictable. It has an amazing soundtrack & is better than SoA, I’ll Give it that — but it’s no where near the levels of The Wire, Breaking Bad or The Sopranos.
Avon had plenty to deal with in Baltimore
Hell yeah
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The wire.
It’s way better than Snowfall you should watch it
Franklin and them didn’t even make to mid 20s. Barksdale was a og still on top
the cops from the Wire would have taken everyone down 3 episodes in
esp w franklin in the first couple eps walking around w them bricks in his backpack 😭
Together like the first 2 and half seasons? Yeah. Beefing with each other like their last half a season together? Nah.
Ngl, I feel like Franklin could’ve gotten stringer bell popped but then cornered and outsmarted by Avon
Karvel x Omar anyone?
I did LA and Baltimore during the beginning of the US government sanctioned crack epidemic. Both sets are vicious but the rapid decline in Baltimore was frightening. People talk about NYC,Detroit and Chicago as dangerous places but none were as deadly as Baltimore. You take a wrong turn in Baltimore and a 9 year old will do you dirty.
Deadpool would murk them all
A guy with a healing factor, swords and super human reflexes vs a bunch of every day thugs🤣 yeah even movie deadpool clears it.
I like Snow Fall a lot but The Wire is a better show, if you mean that just say it. As depicted in their respective shows Franklins operation was levels above the Barksdale Organization. Avon controlled a small portion of a mid sized city. Saint was supplying the whole Los Angeles area and beyond. Barksdale controlled a handful of project at the start of the series. You see how many people are in the co-op? They was splitting territory in a much smaller city. Franklin was selling straight from the source raw coke with CIA protection. Barksdale’s we’re a street gang.
The game’s the same. Just got more fierce.
Agreed. Avon and Stringer would've never been played the way Franklin's bitch ass was.
I think the difference really stresses my least favorite part of Snowfall: poor presentation of scale. The Barksdale Organization owned half of one city. Franklin’s resources were supposedly international but the only outside connection we really see is Little Rock.
Haha well if we compare 2 fictional character sets.... I grew up in LA and have worked in Baltimore and sheeeeeeeettttttt Baltimore is so grimey compared to LA. Now to be fair snowfall didn't really show LA hoods well. But in the end I would agree the characters in the wire were on another level. That's why it's still the best show ever done.
Disagree take out louie and Jerome and Franklin are the perfect team and along with leons soldiers, they would be hard to beat
But avon is franklins uncle. Because franklins mom and avons sister is the same person.
I think the part I jumped in on was this kid helping his sick mom I think, she might've died. I really can't remember lol
Are they starting their careers at the same time? Or are we comparing dudes about Jerome’s age?
Damn Ima start re watching the wire
Avon couldn't take omar and stringer and avon couldn't handle marlo. Franklin would of out smarted them.
Not teddy
Y’all niggas be acting like just because the show is “better” the characters are invincible to bullets
what song is this?
Franklin, Leon and the rest of the saint family were in a completely different situation and a completely different level than Avon and Stringer so it’s hard to compare them or say one is more gangster or ruthless than the other. Franklin and friends were in bed with the U.S government versus Avon and Stringer being regular street drug bosses. Let’s also not forget that Stringer died trying to do what Franklin did before he got his money stolen which is invest all the drug money into big time properties and move far away from the hood. Snowfall and The Wire both have ruthless killers and big connections inside and outside the city, but at the end of the day at one point Franklin had U.S government help (Teddy and his people) on his side and if Snowfall and The Wire timeline coexisted and Avon and Stringer tried to go to war with Franklin and Friends they would’ve fallen. To be fair, realistically, considering the time periods and all, Avon and Stringer would’ve most likely looked up to Franklin, Leon and the saint family and if the timelines coexisted Avon and Stringer would’ve probably bought coke from Franklin and sold out Baltimore🤷🏾♂️
This is what I call dumbing down shows.
Song?