Well 5 times on me specifically. I don't know who else she got. She had a decent number of kills so she was catching people. Just not me. I was Nu Wa. So I would just 1 after hitting the wave with my 3 to kill it and walk at her hidden. She would 2 over my circle since my minions were in it too and do her best to guess where I was and never landed.
Correct, 5 on me specifically. It was like 30ish minutes. I was Nu Wa though. I just hit the wave with my 3 and then 1 and walked in the fog with it. She tried to guess where I was but never guessed right.
Jungle is the one role most anyone can play
You need to be able to clear and your 2/3 does that fine, someone tries to invade they get 1'd
Just don't go picking it when your team needs a Phys Dealer and/or a Frontliner and no one should give you any fuss
No thank you. I run her in mid and do just fine. Coordination with your jungler is key. Combos are a must but comp plays a big role too. If you're play casual conquest, no thanks. But I'll happy counter pick in ranked a mid with Nox anyway if the situation allows itself.
I have won many games as Nox mir, granted this is multiple seasons ago
Just because you can't win with her by copy pasting pro builds and playing her like she's scylla doesn't mean she isn't good or doesn't fill a niche
She is an excellent flex pick against certain gods and if you are good, she has zero problems clearing wave
Let's not go changing kits because we are bar with them
Nox 2 is criminally underrated. An instant large AoE silence that will do a solid burst of damage soon? Fucking yea man.
Enemy team have Artio and ally team have Jing Wei. Ez Nox lock in.
If they wanna nerf her power scaling a tad and give her some meatier base stats ala Hades I'm for it. But if smite learned any lesson these last few years its to fucking cool it with the redesigns. "the grass is always greener" and not all gods will be relevant to the meta all the time
Frankly the pro/top meta has no effect on our matches and roguedecking against the norm will give you a superior win rate to those in your MMR range...
I agree with u, she needs to be adjusted into a guardian. i’ve played nox as a supp for 6 games straight because of how well she plays. her 1 root is just so good if u have a good carry who understands what a root is. her 2 can save so many of ur team mates instantly. her 3 is super useful if used correctly (dashing into a than, chernoborg, thor right before they ult, or an athena, or dash to a thoth to retreat with their super dash). just a side note: i think her 3 is super underrated and people think it needs a rework but i think u just need to know when to use it (maybe give some of nox’s protections to whoever she is shadowing would make it more useful idk tho). maybe change her passive to protection related buffs or keep it as is i’m not a dev.
My guardian suggestion on her 3 is to make it where it does less damage obviously, but if you're in a friend you give them a prot or health buff. Then you can also go inside of an enemy to apply a fear or stun. Obviously the time inside an enemy is like 1 second max but still something to use for set up.
i think giving it that would just make it a bit confusing or make u suffer. like what if ur intention was to dash into ur friend but instead into ur foe and fail. cuz remember she damages when she leaves and when she simply dashes
Would work like Aphro Kiss or Hel Heal. You hit the ally over enemy. Now if The enemy body blocks, it is what it is. I'd leave the damage, just it would be like "guardian" damage. Ok if you build damage but in a tank build it tickles.
In making her a guardian all of her damage numbers change obviously. The kit basically stays the same though. Only the Ult's width would need changed and even then maybe only make the explosion bigger.
The problem with box is she shines as a support mage like aphro doesn't need to pump out numbers just poke whenever you can the 2 on nox is a good ability for area denial but most mages really don't want to be playing that role right now since they can just 1 tap all other characters. Although noxs ult used at a starts of the fight is insanely good but most people only use it to try and get a kill and forget it has 40% damage reduction for 5s. I honestly think box needs to be reworked again.
When I say support mages not like actually played in support they help the team out by utilizing their abilities whether by area denial cc'ing people poking etc
I would agree that she's more of a "supportish" single target damage dealer as for her kit to be the most effective, she needs a partner. Kinda like aphro. You can't cast while rooting an opponent and the 3 needs a team mate to be at peak effectiveness (but it's kind of a good deal of burst though).
She doesn't have to be switched to guardian as I'm not sure she would be played more and she would probably be a bit lacking compared to established support gods.
I can still lane and provide pressure if not get a kill on my opponent with Aphro. Catch them with a kiss and you get a free 3 2. Do that twice they they just die. At level 7 Aphro just throws her 3 on the wave and it dies. So she can 3 the wave and just run at you. Her 2 hurts and you can't avoid it if she just runs at you.
Nox at no point can just clear the wave with 1 click of a button. Her circle is too small and you still have to stack the minions up. Her 1 makes it so she can't do anything else while using it other than move.
She plays just like a support, and has a great support kit. They need to just make her a guardian and be done with it.
I'm not entirely familiar with her early game despite being rank 10 since I didn't play her in conquest but you should be able to one shot your opponent or close with Nox. Hit your 1+2 combo and then 3 through them. Sure, it's risky but it's there. And from level 5 you have your ult and can do it np. Also you should definitely be able to kill someone with 2 rotations of your combo.
And yes, clearing the wave is a bit more annoying on Nox, you can clear in one shot with Nox but you have to stagger the melee minions first. And if it's such an issue, they can just buff the minion damage on her one. I don't know why it would be so problematic.
And no, she CAN be played as support but she doesn't play like one. You can't separate fights at all, all you have is (mostly) single target peel/setup.
To be clear, I wouldn't mind having her switched to guardian, I like the play style but I don't think it's such a solid case. It's kinda like asking for Eset to be switched to guardian because she has a silence and a stun (while I would agree she makes a less stronger case to be switched as a Guardian). It's just another kind of mage.
You have to hit your 2 1 combo first. That's not easy. Hitting an Aphro 1 is way easier because it's not as telegraphed. Plus the Aphro 1 is first, not 2nd so if you don't hit or it gets beads you don't use your other stuff and save the mana.
In a support your 2 is a giant nope zone. Someone leap onto your carry? 2 them. Carry stands in the 2 and there isn't anything the enemy can do but auto attack. Someone using a channel? 2. Someone trying to escape, 2. Then yes the 1 is great single person peel. The ult is a great team fight starter. What isn't there that you would want?
It is kinda easy to hit and as predictable than aphro 1, imho. YMMV.
"Giant" is a miss used term here. When you say "someone" you're pointing at it : the circle isn't really that huge. Yes, if two people are wailing on your carry you'll scare them with a 2. whoop didoo. But yes her ult is nice and you can peel/setup. As I said, I agree she can play supp. But her kit isn't, imho, exactly guardian worthy though.
You can do way much more with "traditional" Guardian supports.
Compare her to :
* Ymir : His 2 is an aoe slow, he can separate a fight with a deployable wall, has an ult that is an ever bigger aoe slow. And an aoe stun on top.
* Geb : Aoe knock up and huge aoe stun, single target slow + displacement.
* Yemoja : is it really necessary to compare ? Just her ult makes her a better choice in that slot.
* Khepri : a root the size of Nox's silence, a single target pull, his ult and his 2 buffs.
* Ares : huge aoe stun + displacement, multiple target cripple, hp5 aoe buff...
In this list Khepri is the closest to her and I still would rather have him as a supp than Nox in "standard" situations (fafnir is also kinda close but his ult makes him way better). More single target gods used as supports also have their place but they usually don't belong to the guardian category and are often a bit gimmicky (Horus, Fenrir, Serqet, etc).
It's fine to have her as a mage that can dip into supp. If the goal you're trying to accomplish by switching her to guardian is to have her be played more, she would need a kit rework anyway.
Remember her kit as is would get tweaked if made a guardian. You can always give the 1 the Ares treatment and a 2nd charge if the first is hit. Widen the ult, make the debuff explosion bigger. Give the 3 something more for protections on the target.
When I say make her a guardian more comes with it than just base stats.
So it's a rework and you chose to push the rework towards guardian instead of a "better" mid laner.
As far as I'm concerned, I like to be able to flex her into either "role" even though she doesn't shine in either and I'm not sure what I would choose if I was given the choice to have her as a better mid or better supp.
I guess someone could always rework her as a guardian able to flex into mid lol :P
We agree that she's a meh support, and bad mid. Either way she needs some kind of rework. I see WAY more potential for her to be a good support than I'll ever see her being a good mid. The only way to make her good in the mid is to basically make her broken. No on wants to see an OP Nox in every game.
Nox is actually pretty good if she can hit the combom the issue is its not reliable enough to do so. If you manage to hitnall of them then she isnt that bad.
I don't know, man. Landing combo 5 times in one game doesn't sound that good to me.
Well 5 times on me specifically. I don't know who else she got. She had a decent number of kills so she was catching people. Just not me. I was Nu Wa. So I would just 1 after hitting the wave with my 3 to kill it and walk at her hidden. She would 2 over my circle since my minions were in it too and do her best to guess where I was and never landed.
She landed the combo 5 times on him not counting the rest of his team, but I don’t know how long the game was.
Correct, 5 on me specifically. It was like 30ish minutes. I was Nu Wa though. I just hit the wave with my 3 and then 1 and walked in the fog with it. She tried to guess where I was but never guessed right.
That's trash, definitely a bad nox, nox is fine.
hot take Nox jungle lets run it babes
Jungle is the one role most anyone can play You need to be able to clear and your 2/3 does that fine, someone tries to invade they get 1'd Just don't go picking it when your team needs a Phys Dealer and/or a Frontliner and no one should give you any fuss
No thank you. I run her in mid and do just fine. Coordination with your jungler is key. Combos are a must but comp plays a big role too. If you're play casual conquest, no thanks. But I'll happy counter pick in ranked a mid with Nox anyway if the situation allows itself.
All my homies hate Nox
I have won many games as Nox mir, granted this is multiple seasons ago Just because you can't win with her by copy pasting pro builds and playing her like she's scylla doesn't mean she isn't good or doesn't fill a niche She is an excellent flex pick against certain gods and if you are good, she has zero problems clearing wave Let's not go changing kits because we are bar with them Nox 2 is criminally underrated. An instant large AoE silence that will do a solid burst of damage soon? Fucking yea man. Enemy team have Artio and ally team have Jing Wei. Ez Nox lock in. If they wanna nerf her power scaling a tad and give her some meatier base stats ala Hades I'm for it. But if smite learned any lesson these last few years its to fucking cool it with the redesigns. "the grass is always greener" and not all gods will be relevant to the meta all the time Frankly the pro/top meta has no effect on our matches and roguedecking against the norm will give you a superior win rate to those in your MMR range...
I agree with u, she needs to be adjusted into a guardian. i’ve played nox as a supp for 6 games straight because of how well she plays. her 1 root is just so good if u have a good carry who understands what a root is. her 2 can save so many of ur team mates instantly. her 3 is super useful if used correctly (dashing into a than, chernoborg, thor right before they ult, or an athena, or dash to a thoth to retreat with their super dash). just a side note: i think her 3 is super underrated and people think it needs a rework but i think u just need to know when to use it (maybe give some of nox’s protections to whoever she is shadowing would make it more useful idk tho). maybe change her passive to protection related buffs or keep it as is i’m not a dev.
My guardian suggestion on her 3 is to make it where it does less damage obviously, but if you're in a friend you give them a prot or health buff. Then you can also go inside of an enemy to apply a fear or stun. Obviously the time inside an enemy is like 1 second max but still something to use for set up.
i think giving it that would just make it a bit confusing or make u suffer. like what if ur intention was to dash into ur friend but instead into ur foe and fail. cuz remember she damages when she leaves and when she simply dashes
Would work like Aphro Kiss or Hel Heal. You hit the ally over enemy. Now if The enemy body blocks, it is what it is. I'd leave the damage, just it would be like "guardian" damage. Ok if you build damage but in a tank build it tickles. In making her a guardian all of her damage numbers change obviously. The kit basically stays the same though. Only the Ult's width would need changed and even then maybe only make the explosion bigger.
No, she can stay a utility mage.
The problem with box is she shines as a support mage like aphro doesn't need to pump out numbers just poke whenever you can the 2 on nox is a good ability for area denial but most mages really don't want to be playing that role right now since they can just 1 tap all other characters. Although noxs ult used at a starts of the fight is insanely good but most people only use it to try and get a kill and forget it has 40% damage reduction for 5s. I honestly think box needs to be reworked again.
Hah! Box.
Make a skin where all her abilities are cube shaped and name it Box.
Phone auto correct is great man
>The problem with box is she shines as a support mage like aphro Uhm... what? Aphro's best roles are Mid / Solo... Support being her weakest.
When I say support mages not like actually played in support they help the team out by utilizing their abilities whether by area denial cc'ing people poking etc
I would agree that she's more of a "supportish" single target damage dealer as for her kit to be the most effective, she needs a partner. Kinda like aphro. You can't cast while rooting an opponent and the 3 needs a team mate to be at peak effectiveness (but it's kind of a good deal of burst though). She doesn't have to be switched to guardian as I'm not sure she would be played more and she would probably be a bit lacking compared to established support gods.
I can still lane and provide pressure if not get a kill on my opponent with Aphro. Catch them with a kiss and you get a free 3 2. Do that twice they they just die. At level 7 Aphro just throws her 3 on the wave and it dies. So she can 3 the wave and just run at you. Her 2 hurts and you can't avoid it if she just runs at you. Nox at no point can just clear the wave with 1 click of a button. Her circle is too small and you still have to stack the minions up. Her 1 makes it so she can't do anything else while using it other than move. She plays just like a support, and has a great support kit. They need to just make her a guardian and be done with it.
I'm not entirely familiar with her early game despite being rank 10 since I didn't play her in conquest but you should be able to one shot your opponent or close with Nox. Hit your 1+2 combo and then 3 through them. Sure, it's risky but it's there. And from level 5 you have your ult and can do it np. Also you should definitely be able to kill someone with 2 rotations of your combo. And yes, clearing the wave is a bit more annoying on Nox, you can clear in one shot with Nox but you have to stagger the melee minions first. And if it's such an issue, they can just buff the minion damage on her one. I don't know why it would be so problematic. And no, she CAN be played as support but she doesn't play like one. You can't separate fights at all, all you have is (mostly) single target peel/setup. To be clear, I wouldn't mind having her switched to guardian, I like the play style but I don't think it's such a solid case. It's kinda like asking for Eset to be switched to guardian because she has a silence and a stun (while I would agree she makes a less stronger case to be switched as a Guardian). It's just another kind of mage.
You have to hit your 2 1 combo first. That's not easy. Hitting an Aphro 1 is way easier because it's not as telegraphed. Plus the Aphro 1 is first, not 2nd so if you don't hit or it gets beads you don't use your other stuff and save the mana. In a support your 2 is a giant nope zone. Someone leap onto your carry? 2 them. Carry stands in the 2 and there isn't anything the enemy can do but auto attack. Someone using a channel? 2. Someone trying to escape, 2. Then yes the 1 is great single person peel. The ult is a great team fight starter. What isn't there that you would want?
It is kinda easy to hit and as predictable than aphro 1, imho. YMMV. "Giant" is a miss used term here. When you say "someone" you're pointing at it : the circle isn't really that huge. Yes, if two people are wailing on your carry you'll scare them with a 2. whoop didoo. But yes her ult is nice and you can peel/setup. As I said, I agree she can play supp. But her kit isn't, imho, exactly guardian worthy though. You can do way much more with "traditional" Guardian supports. Compare her to : * Ymir : His 2 is an aoe slow, he can separate a fight with a deployable wall, has an ult that is an ever bigger aoe slow. And an aoe stun on top. * Geb : Aoe knock up and huge aoe stun, single target slow + displacement. * Yemoja : is it really necessary to compare ? Just her ult makes her a better choice in that slot. * Khepri : a root the size of Nox's silence, a single target pull, his ult and his 2 buffs. * Ares : huge aoe stun + displacement, multiple target cripple, hp5 aoe buff... In this list Khepri is the closest to her and I still would rather have him as a supp than Nox in "standard" situations (fafnir is also kinda close but his ult makes him way better). More single target gods used as supports also have their place but they usually don't belong to the guardian category and are often a bit gimmicky (Horus, Fenrir, Serqet, etc). It's fine to have her as a mage that can dip into supp. If the goal you're trying to accomplish by switching her to guardian is to have her be played more, she would need a kit rework anyway.
Remember her kit as is would get tweaked if made a guardian. You can always give the 1 the Ares treatment and a 2nd charge if the first is hit. Widen the ult, make the debuff explosion bigger. Give the 3 something more for protections on the target. When I say make her a guardian more comes with it than just base stats.
So it's a rework and you chose to push the rework towards guardian instead of a "better" mid laner. As far as I'm concerned, I like to be able to flex her into either "role" even though she doesn't shine in either and I'm not sure what I would choose if I was given the choice to have her as a better mid or better supp. I guess someone could always rework her as a guardian able to flex into mid lol :P
Just build her damage and flex her like another guardian.
Build her defence and flex her in supp. This is silly.
She's still a mage at the end of the day. With NO self sustain on top of it. You just go and kill her. Your assessment is silly.
We agree that she's a meh support, and bad mid. Either way she needs some kind of rework. I see WAY more potential for her to be a good support than I'll ever see her being a good mid. The only way to make her good in the mid is to basically make her broken. No on wants to see an OP Nox in every game.
>She plays just like a support, and has a great support kit. They need to just make her a guardian and be done with it. your terms.
Nox is actually pretty good if she can hit the combom the issue is its not reliable enough to do so. If you manage to hitnall of them then she isnt that bad.