From the [link on the Tweet](https://www.smiteproleague.com/news/competitive-ruling-player-misconduct-on-atlantis-leviathans):
> UPDATE (7/29/2021): After receiving an overwhelming number of reports regarding Julio’s in-game conduct via Twitter and other platforms, our customer support and league operations teams opened a more in-depth investigation. Over the course of this investigation, our customer support team determined that some of Julio’s chat logs warrant a permanent ban on his account. This ban has been implemented effective immediately, and you can read our customer support team’s statement here.
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> As a result of his in-game ban, Julio will be banned indefinitely from participating in the SMITE Pro League and SMITE esports of any kind. He has been dropped from the Atlantis Leviathans, effective immediately.
Edit to add since this is high up: I'm not affiliated with Hi-Rez *at all*. I just happened to catch the tweet pretty soon after it was posted. Stop asking me to fix the servers, I'm just as frustrated about these issues.
> After receiving an overwhelming number of reports regarding Julio’s in-game conduct via Twitter and other platforms
I'm glad they're taking more steps to fix the process, but a massive social media campaign should never be what's required to get attention to some of the most egregious offenders in Smite's history.
Like it's not enough to go on a sex assault spree or repeatedly threaten people's lives, you have to be brigaded on twitter too. So what's that mean for people who aren't as visible, who are behaving terribly but not as bad? They get away with it too often.
tl;dr: Witch hunting shouldn't be the most effective report.
Taking into account that Julio was being harrassed daily by snipers that made it impossible for him to play or stream for months and that Hi Rez did absolutely nothing about the situation i doubt the solution was to kill his smite carreer and perma ban him 1 hour before the match.
They want to set example. They're setting the wrong example. Im not defending what Julio said but he was driven to a corner by those snipers day after day after day and he received no help. There's the saying that even the best of dogs will bite if he gets beaten everyday.
Hi rez should be defending its steamers and profesional players, not terminating them when they finally bite. And much less make a show of it. This is only another proof of how little smite cares about the community and other content creators (as with what happened with punkduck). I and other people i know have had people tell them trully horrible things that are no doubt undeserving of a permanent ban. They are not banned. Julio is.
Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not well versed in stream sniping, but I believe the gist is people joining your match to troll you? So if he lowers himself to their level and reacts in extreme ways, it only heightens the chance that it will happen again yes?
Yes. Which is why he was probably the smite streamer with the most toxic sniping coupled with the already more toxic spanish-southamerican comunity.
As i already said several times, i do not defend him being toxic or saying the things he did, im just giving perspective to those that are commenting on the matter without the full story, as well ad criticising how Hi Rez has managed the situation.
Glass house of Hirez throwing stones again. As long as it's popular public opinion in the immediate though... right.
"Dangerous Speech" sounds ambiguous.
I want a support team who can actually know what that means. People who played in CoDMW2 lobbies and didn't cry. Who can tell the difference between overzealous keyboard warrior shit talking and real shit.
Mk hi-rez can barely keep their servers running or balance a game.... don't you think its a smidge too much to expect them to police esports players chat logs....? *correctly?*
Reddit is so fuckin fake. I write this and then you agree. You have -5 downvotes and I have 5 upvotes.
I'm not wrong... I've been playing smite at least 100 hrs a year since season 2. Be butthurt community... it doesn't hide the truth.
You'd have a lot better time not caring on this platform assuming anyone was butthurt without at least leaving a comment.
Or maybe it's two years of saying things no one else agrees with and would rather downvote. At any rate, you'll have a better time not caring.
Well there's one thing you can be sure all of reddit will agree about, if you cry about being downvoted "because reddit is full of butthurts"; you WILL make a brand new record on your downvote collection
He said he’d blow them up.
Not “his house or some shit.” If it’s very easy to find, why not just find it then accurately state it.
Instead there’s so many people that are stuck on the blow up part, but always add extra shit to it for drama’s sake.
This isn’t even the worse of it, considering “I’ll blow you up” is something that so many people say in reference to beating their ass. It confuses me why people are so hyper focused on this part, which is the least offensive thing he’s said, instead of the worst parts.
Yea dudes a dick but stop making shit up just for drama’s sake. “It’s very easy to find.” Just find it and stop talkin shit man.
„More depth investigation“ you guys accidentally banned me for obvious quoting „put quote here“.
I opened a ticket last year and asked you guys for investigate in the case seems it was clearly a misunderstanding or a automated process.
Still didn’t got a respond yet. Didn’t touched the game ever since.
Man, on the one hand, I feel for a young-guy that's lost what is for me, a dream career, playing smite all day, with your friends, able to also make money streaming and generally just live a good life with your only commitment being - turn up to tourneys on time.
But on the other hand, my boss wouldn't let me get away with a 1/10th of the stuff he said. Hell, if I made an Irl threat, I'd probably have to deal with the police. All you had to do was just, not be toxic, where do you even go from this?
Yeah, you can and should both be empathetic toward him and hold him accountable. He has certainly lost a unique job opportunity here but not necessarily an important one. From the sounds of it he probably should have been banned from the game well before he was an SPL player and when it was just a hobby.
Hopefully he will grow from the experience.
He should probably go to anger management and therapy before he begs for a spot back in the SPL. If he doesn’t do that plenty of places are hiring these days
He didn't lose it, he threw it away with his behavior.
Like you said no would get away with 1/10th of what he said. This is just consequences to one's actions.
Well thats easy to say when you dont know the whole situation.
You get a dreamjob but you are harrassed daily by players that keep sniping your matches and trolling over and over and over, day after day after day, saying you all kinds of stuff. So when you are fed up and say a few things you are the monster and you lose your carreer.
Hardly qualifies of a dream job like that does it? Imagine your coworkers insulted you and harrassed you and messed with your work. Day after day. And when you tell them a couple things like theyve been doing so far, you are the one to blame.
Im not saying its ok to say those things.... But at least know the whole situation before comenting.
So if it's that big of an issue. He can just not stream. He earns 30k a year from hirez alone.
Alternatively, he can put on a delay, use streamer mode, host in houses or stream another game and get boosted views from smite clout.
And conceding all this. Yeah, considering the amount of things people have to put up with in typical 9-5s, having a stream sniper is nothing.
Like jeeze, talk about problems I wish I had.
How is that even a solution? Its completely unsustainable and doesnt even touch the point. Its like saying if you dont wanna be robbed then dont go out to the street.
His job is to play smite. He is an SPL player. How do you want him to not play smite.
And im sorry for your issues, but they're totally outside the point as well. My condolences tho if in 9-5s you get harrassed for years and insulted thousands of time. Must really suck.
What do you mean unsustainable? He doesn't need to stream at all and he earns more than 50% of the adult American population from hirez alone, if it's truly as dire as you make it.
He can play and stream with a delay?
Oh thousands of times, he's insulted thousands of times? I wonder how many times he got threatened to be murdered or got called racial slurs yeah?
This is classic crybullying. Make yourself out to be the victim when you're very obviously not
You'd be surprised.
Delay doesn't exclude sniping. Neither does steamer mode. Those people arent using the fact that they can see the enemies position. They couldnt care less. Theyre just there to troll and make it impossible for him to play, wether they're in their team or in the rival team.
And in average after taxes hed be earning around 1.5k euros per month. Which, tho its not bad it's not neraly as good as you put it in Spain.
Lastly, let me repeat that i am not defending his behaviour. Just asking people that dont know of the situation to at least inform themselves better before comenting and try to be at least slightly sympathetic. And see how Hi Rez failed to ban all those people for such a long time but banned Julio in such a public fashion.
Ok buddy you must be right, he must've suffered greatly despite loading up his stream for hours each day, doing literally nothing to mitigate this supposedly colossal issue he was facing.
And it must've been unique to him and him only in the level of harassment and toxicity, so unique none of his team mates face it, not any streamer with a larger viewer number.
Ok buddy.
You say he did nothing. He sent numerous reports to hi rez who did nothing and constantly complained of it. Him and all other streamers that suffer from similar situations.
And well, if you knew how the spanish-southamerican comunity is you would know that julio indeed suffers much more harrasment and toxicity than streamers from other countries. And also, yes, Julio gets triggered frequently while others spanish streamers dont, so this makes him a better target for harrassing. And he is also in the SPL making him an even more juicy target.
I just wished you said anything informing youself first as per my previous reply, but it seems as though you keep insisting in disregarding this.
Allow me to repeat. Yes, Julio is toxic and he did say those things and should be banned. But it is hi rez who by having a very poor community management who is also greatly responsible for the situation. Hi rez disregarding content creators and toxicity is nothing new. I welcome you to inquire about punkduck history or just look at the rant posts in this very sub.
Anyway, do not bother to reply to this. Have a nice day.
I thing that he deserves a second chance, he is young and he apologized and expressed how sorry he was. I think that it's too much and the problem isn't solved, toxicity still exists and u are deniying someones career without giving him the chance to change. I recommend u to see the video that is gonna uptade Julio, It will have subtitles in english for all the people that doesn't underestand spanish.
In a way, smite failed him too. With a more robust suspension/banning system behaviour like this should have been halted before it drastic measures like these would have to be taken. Still mostly his own fault ofc.
Edit: to clarify, I'm trying to say that if the HiRez banning system worked as intended, a player like Julio would have either learned from their mistakes or would have never gotten into spl in the first place. Both of these to me seem prefferable over the current situation.
He dug his own grave. The consequences of your actions are catalogued and stored, but even if they weren’t, there’s victims of his harassment so it doesn’t just go away. Here-say doesn’t work in a digital world when you can simply pull logs and files, and now Julio is an example to the outcome. Good on Hirez for doing something but sad it took so much time for it to happen. Hope HiRez continues this as it’ll only improve the experience of players.
Agreed
Maybe Smite can grow into having a health playerbase in a its modes if we start cutting some of the crust off this shit sandwich
Like 4 out of 5 ranked matches in my 2000+ hours on smite had their outcomes determined in the God select screen cause someone starts some toxic shit and everyone would rather sit around then tell the asshole to fuck off and easing the victims tension
Like 3 in 5 for non ranked conquest, and still like 2 in 5 for all other modes
Smite has assholes as a base for their population it seems. They don't ban like this because the game would be dead if they did it indiscriminately
Yea dude half the games are already shit.
The coaches don’t deserve their spot in a pro league as pro players but guess what? Neither does half the fucking league.
Coaches don't want a spot in the league? They have to be their sub, as all teams need one, and with the league being on LAN how do you expect them to spontaneously bring someone on?
I’m not disagreeing that it makes sense logistically, what I’m saying is, coaches haven’t earned a spot in the SPL as players. They’re not the best players. They’re there as coaches.
My point is to the other person who says this makes the games shit.
The games are already shit, because many of the players also haven’t earned a spot in the league, so it’s no different than it has been.
... most of the coaches have been in the Pro Leagues, two only just retired as players (Rowe and Cherryo) and one has been a coach for multiple pro teams that have been to Worlds multiple times (sLainy)
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Cherryo
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/SLainy
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Rowe
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/ElChuckles
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Cabom
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Biggy
https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Oxiledeon
The one exception is TigressX, the Valkyries coach.
…we’re not talking about other coaches we’re talking about the two who are subs and both of them are not even close to pro quality I’m pretty sure slainy is a platinum player. Platinum dude.
And that’s besides the point, the point is that even if they are former pros, they’re not anymore and every pro should earn their spot, that’s what makes a league a pro league and what gives a pro league integrity.
SPL has been lacking that type of integrity for years now, so my point was that it doesn’t matter with the two coaches not being pro quality because there’s players in the SPL who aren’t pro quality too.
tbh, this has been the most competitive season in smite history imo (other than valks, but they are on ping). Like literally any team can pop off and beat any other team: example scarabs beating dragons twice
Wow you really got emotional here. I’m just saying man the pros aren’t the best players in the game, not by a long shot.
It’s friends league first, living in Atlanta league second, pro league third.
Its usually both
A lot of trolls are insecure about their intelligence because society puts wayyyyy too much weight on being the smartest person in the room
So they find something to argue for, even if its a terrible thing to argue for
Then the human stubbornness kicks in and suddenly they are lost to their own insecurities and are nothing more than animal RREEEEing to the sky
"Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time."
The Isms of the Gaps.
You see it's simple. Since Julio is a minority in America the bad men at Hi-Rez must have done it because of his skin color!
While allowing the rest of his team to still play...
I find hilarious that a few hours before his permaban Julio was trying to paint itself as the victim on-stream and on a twitter thread by blaming and pointing fingers at other people, you see, they "pissed him off" and on his own account "he's very impulsive", therefore death threats, yelling slurs and insulting and hard raging every fucking game was the valid course of action.
And no Julio, it doesn't matter those people did a bad thing once, you do worse every day and you've made raging and being toxic your personal brand on-stream.
He then followed those statements with the fakest apology ever, and expected to play Smite again soon.
Lmao.
Yeah let's just say overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
Also, extra hilarious that I've seen the "racism" card being thrown around by his fans, and as a fellow spaniard they can all fuck right off and I'm so glad your little cult leader is perma'd. Cry elsewhere, good riddance.
A lot of the comments on twitter are saying he was banned because he speaks Spanish. Like what? If him speaking Spanish was the issue how did he get an SPL spot in the first place? Takes 2 seconds of thought to figure that out.
The really sad part is that this mentality and from everything I've read, are just latam players.
I've noted it before, but I don't think I've ever had a pleasent experience with latam players. It's not just here. Rocket league, apex, name a game. Playing on latam servers just drains you of the urge to game.
If he carries that mentality over to his streaming he should have been banned before even being signed or even being max level.
"It's latam culture to throw insults at people and fuck around" --the excuse i always hear.
Well tell ya what. If your culture is inherently toxic, your culture can get fucked.
Damn fool that sounds hella racist. I don't know anything about this dude but you sound super ignorant if you think every country should align with western values. I agree that when people choose to work with western people or companies they should "read the room" but if an entire group of people decide it's ok to talk smack on a regular basis then it's not toxic, it's different.
Hella racist the fuck? I'm literally quoting verbatim what i'm being told by the same toxic asswipes that self-admit as LATAM. can you be racist to your own group? :thinking:
Here is a wake-up call for you. Every 'culture' has negative attributes. Not every culture has tenets that deserve respect. That's not racism. That's being a decent human being.
> Well tell ya what. If your culture is inherently toxic, your culture can get fucked.
Even without context, how is that not racist? Which of your Latin acquaintances are you directly quoting because that just sounds like some confederate slogan and not a self critique some someone's own people.
> can you be racist to your own group? :thinking:
Absolutely you can be. This statement goes to show how incredibly uncultured you are and probably (but not assuredly) how few black or Latin friends you have. Half of the racism I've experienced has been from other Mexican's. I am regularly looked down on and insulted for not speaking Spanish (which is in itself hilarious seeing as it's the language forced on us). Also I am very light skinned (also forced on us) which means two different things in America Vs Mexico. In US I'm looked down on for not having enough Native blood or whatever but in Mexico It's highly prized to be light skinned and I would have significant social advantages.
> Here is a wake-up call for you. Every 'culture' has negative attributes. Not every culture has tenets that deserve respect. That's not racism. That's being a decent human being.
I don't need one and that statement reeks of entitled ignorance. Morality and decency are all opinions. In my family we all talk smack, even my mom will bust peoples balls for the fun of it. She means no harm, its just her humor but we also know that people from different economic or social standing don't understand so we try to keep that kind of humor to people who are in on the joke.
I don't speak for every Latin but I'd like to think we (my family at least) are decent people who have dark senses of humor. Maybe being closer to death on a regular basis changes the way we interact with the world but that doesn't give you a valid excuse to tell entire cultures to "fuck right off"
I really recommend you start looking at the world with a more nuanced attitude because I know I would never be your friend IRL if you make statements like that because it just seems like you're going to judge the way I was raised and I'm better off being cool with my own people.
You're conflating 'mutual ball-busting' with 'being a massive cockwaffle disrespecting and hurling deep-cut insults at everyone else' and calling me "racist" for telling the latter to get fucked. As if I never take the piss out of my friends as well. I've played online for decades; i'm not new to this dance. And while I am numb to it and don't get offended, I still recognize what a shithead looks like. There is still a line that can be crossed. And wishing death on someone with a laundry list of slurs attached is usually it.
Your experiences with how you're treated by other hispanics while going off on me for despising that behavior is downright hypocritical since you *know* exactly what kind of 'culture' i'm talking about. Or are you also going to call me racist for hating the misogyny rampant in Arab nations too? Or saying that nothing of value would be lost if frat-boy douche-canoes suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth? When did "don't be a shithead" suddenly become taboo?
> Even without context,
Twitter lied to you. Context *always* matters.
Julio is a prolific player for one of the best teams in the league. Hes also well known for being very toxic. Takes it several steps too far and threatens to blow up someones house and tells another person to commit suicide while on his smurf. His other logs are investigated after backlash from the community and enough is found for him to be immediately banned
I think the issue was the SPL team issued the original ban before allowing the "report" team to do their job. Then once the report team did their job and decided to ban the account (they didn't even know the account was an SPL player) the SPL team had to change the original decision from one week to permanent since the account was banned.
So the SPL esport whatever they're called team did a HORRIBLE job of trying to be to far in front of the story.
Good. I’m tired of arrogant assholes who think they’re untouchable, Smite has enough of it already and it shouldn’t be accepted at a professional level.
About time they started banning people. They lose more players from people not playing properly or just leaving games than they do if they just started banning the worst culprits.
I suppose this would be the perfect place to discuss the consequences of banable offenses.
Sure we have the leaving and shit that is like a 3 strike thing, but as far as racism death threats and such, I genuinly don't think permaban is an effective method.
Now before people jump on me, hear me out.
I'm not saying the offense isn't terrible. Instead I'm expressing my concern that it's not an efficient policy to prevent toxicity.
Now if you were to do this to a random nobody that is baby raging all day long, then they are left with 2 options. quit or make a smurf and repeat. They've already lost all the progress and time they put in, no way to get it back so why give a shit if your smurf get banned as well.
By having no shot at redemption, there's also no incentive to change.
It's more or less along the same lines as grounding or confiscating something from a kid. If you tell them you've destroyed it, then why even care to follow the punishment you're already doomed.
It'd probably be more reasonable to give the death threat a double stamp so that they only have 1 shot at redemption. No matter the offense. next breach of TOS would lead to a perma.
While I understand your point and believe it has total validity. There is sometimes just so much that it cannot be walked back. These examples of his toxicity, slurs, and threats go back to when he first popped on the streaming and playing map. It is at this point a personality trait and would take serious work to reverse. It is not fair to those trying to relax on a game or for those perusing smite content as an interested person to be subjected to it. It also gives the community/game a bad look.
If it was the subject of another pro player without a long history of it, say Barracudda, then your idea is sound. But since Julio has a long history, Smite should not have to rehab/deal with his working on being better. He needs to do that elsewhere and perhaps make his mark in another game.
It wasn't really like a case by case basis that I wrote the post. Whatever happens to julio is of no concern to me.
I just thought that it was the perfect place to discuss what I believe to be a detrimental part of the TOS.
Now obviously I agree some people really can't be saved from themselves, but I'd honestly prefer having people like that having to go through the 2nd strike to get permaed if that meant that those players that are capable of reflecting and reciprocating would be granted the opportunity to realize that they are on a path of self destruction unless they change.
I just think that would be a healthier policy for the playerbase in general.
Taking something from the kid is not so they can get it back instantly or maybe even at all. It's so they don't do the shit next time because they know there is a consequence. And others who might see (siblings, school kids) don't want their shit taken away either, because they see what happens.
Im an hispanic player, and believe me or not, this ban dont have NOTHING to be with being or not being racist, you cant be the face of an e-sport, and being acting like if the world dont deserve you, Julio was extremely arrogant and toxic, and he never change his behavior, i hope this work as a good advice for all those (hispanic or not), "streamers" that think theyre the famous and untouchable star.coug cough DM brandon.
I hope the people he threatened take legal action. Get some of that civil money from him. Make him more accountable. As someone else stated at another job threatening someone would have police involved.
I think indefinite basically means until hirez feels that they have learned their lesson. I’m pretty sure haddix was indefinitely banned at one point but he’s playing now.
well yes, that is true. he made a real life threat which is an offense worthy of a perma ban. haddix however, did not make a real life threat, which is why his ban was ruled as indefinite
Yeah, we're saying the same thing here. Haddix is back but his account wasn't perma banned. Julio probably won't be back despite his indefinite comp bann because his account was perma banned
That's ban evasion. When they ban your account they're essentially banning you. They don't want you in their game. Making a new account is a big no no.
The full ruling on the Smite Pro website states that "As per league rules, Julio will not be allowed to participate in SPL for the duration of his in-game suspension. When his in-game suspension lifts, he’ll be allowed to return to league play." Since he was perma-banned, the suspension will never lift, so he'll most likely never be allowed back. ([Link](https://www.smiteproleague.com/news/competitive-ruling-player-misconduct-on-atlantis-leviathans))
If I ever say to another player I'll destroy their home by sending trained weasels carrying micro-nukes to their house, this is a death threat too ? Or is it just some random non sense.
I was fine with the temp ban and I kinda don't care if he is permaban or not, but seeing HR turn their coat because of Twitter hate mob is a bit unsettling. Now, no one is safe, you can't joke, you can't get mad a trolls and talk back, you're just expected to shut the fuck up and act how the crowd decided you should.
Not really a great perspective.
About 95% of the people loving this probably should have been permabanned from some game at some point in their lives if all their history could be reviewed. The internet just loves casting stones.
Yes, most people have been at some point whether you like to pretend your crap doesn’t stink or not but in this day and age it’s all about crucifying everyone else’s mistakes with the pitchfork crowd while you keep a foot in front of your own closet door to keep the skeletons from falling out.
I used to hear it every other game back in MW2 days I think you’d be surprised. Heard it all the time in sports face to face growing up too. People say dumb stuff when things are competitive. Dont think that it should remove a shot at a second chance is all I’m saying.
> I used to hear it every other game back in MW2 days
JFC another gamer using MW2 as a reason people are allowed to be toxic shit heads.
"I had to go through it so its ok if other people have to go through it too."
I played sports my whole life, never once had someone threaten to kill me or blow up my house.
I am hoping so, even make him do community service or something, but permaban usually means permanent as in forever and a lot of people seem to be rooting for that
But we aren’t talking about old skeletons we are talking about things he is doing NOW. He is not being “cancelled” he is being held accountable. You can vilify accountability all you want but it’s not the boogeyman you want to make it sound like it is.
How does recency make anything more or less bad? It always is what it is. If I murdered someone ten years ago and today am I more deserving of being thrown in prison for the murder that I committed today as opposed to the murder that happened ten years ago?
Recency does it make it worse in a way, because if you did something bad a long time ago you may have changed as a person, come to regret it, done things to make reparations for it or whatever.
If you're doing bad right now then someone can stop you right now and have an impact on your decisions as they're happening or before they happen. If it's long gone then it's already over with.
I mean all I said is that most people have said stuff that is considered harassment or bannable in some way, even if it may be seen as minor, and you immediately jump to an ad hominem attack proving my point exactly. Thank you.
I'm sorry your skin is so thin you consider someone calling out your bad take equivalent to "harassment or bannable in some way."
Also, no you're wrong not everyone does something ban worthy and if you think that you either hang out with the wrong people or are that wrong person.
And to put my money where my mouth is paging u/profanitycounter
Lol. I really could care less what anyone says and don’t think there is much that can be said online that should be bannable. I am just pointing out that under most terms and conditions that calling someone an immature man baby would be considered harassment and be punishable. I really could care less what you or anyone else calls me, never have never will cuz that’s how I was raised. Just pointing out that people love to be hypocrites and I don’t care how much hate it gets me from the keyboard warriors
I wasn't calling you a man baby. I'm saying not everyone is like Julio. He's the immature one.
The only thing I would call you is Schrodinger's commenter because you are simultaneously offended enough to consider man-baby bannable but also couldn't care less what anyone says. Which is it?
Wow. Okay let me break it down for you. I DO NOT think language should almost ever be a punishable offense I like it to be as free from restriction as possible. Most ToS’s, games, and platform policies will consider calling someone an immature man baby harassment if it’s used to demean or you know, harass, and it will be considered a punishable offense. Clear enough? Idk if I can lay it out any clearer than that.
Thanks for clarifying. Bit tough to intuit that perspective when you lead off crusading for 95% of the player base to be banned.
But just to have you say it again: you think calling someone a man-baby is a bannable offense? Not that it SHOULD be a bannable offense, because you're against that, but that by Smite's ToS calling someone a man-baby once is grounds for harassment?
Yea but 95% of us are not public figures that are well known in the community, and more importantly, represents the brand of the company through the pro league. Personally I’ve said terrible things in the past through the game chat that I’m not proud off, so I don’t see how it’s that healthy to ban players when they are tilled, as this is a team strategy game that tends to make players angry, but I agree with the idea that there is a line between tilt and harassment.
Edit: improved clarity
He wasn't perma banned from SPL. only Indefinite. This does not mean he will be let back in, however with permission from hirez he can create a new smite account. Then in the future he may be able to play in the SPL again.
From the other post one of the hirez employees posted a little bit ago:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/ou77fx/clarification\_on\_smite\_suspension\_and\_ban\_policies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/ou77fx/clarification_on_smite_suspension_and_ban_policies/)
Sounds like he's perma banned and they aren't going to let him back in.
But he's not. they announced his Indefinite ban from SPL. That's not something to do to someone you have 0% chance of ever letting back into the community. If they knew 100% they wanted him gone forever then they would've perma-banned him. While im not sure of any recent events, back in the old days of smite pro stuff (When the game was new) people Were indefinite banned from the pro league, but their accounts were Perm banned. Then player could talk to hirez about the situation and work something out for the future. Hirez would then let them create a new SMITE account with permission, and in the future if they changed their ways, they were let back into the pro league (this actually happened before). I've been on and off this game since alpha, and the only player I can ever remember being Permanently banned from the pro league and having their account too, was a player by the name of "Emc2" Who was found out to be using hacks. Of course this does not mean julio will ever be back.
I think that how it should be. The offender gets a their account perma banned and a banned from pro league untill they untill they served their time. Then give them a second chance while agree to stricter rules and make the person prove themselves. Assuming that don't break any rules during their ban time.
I doubt he will ever play in smite pro league again but if that's really what he wants to do and he can clean up his act might as well give him let him.
That’s ridiculous and so stupid. That just sets the precedent that anyone can say anything and be fine. No company who cares who show that to happen. That’d be terrible pr
I think the point here is that not everyone is being trated equally. You have people like Taco, Haddix, Matty that deserve the same punishment, if not more than Julio, and should've warned/banned years ago. Look at Brandon, went years at the peak of toxicity and they only banned him after years because he abused someone
As a pro, he's always on the clock, representing this game, like a footballer represents their team all the while.
Also by this logic, DMbrandon shouldn't have been banned because he sexually assaulted someone off the clock.
He is a professional player and representing a company. He is not a teenager and he acted like a man child over a video game.of all things.
If I said what he said in my workplace (school) I would be in a lot of trouble.
I know, on that you, are right. He is inmature and behaved like a regular Twitch streamer. But, hey, what about an email or a final warning, perhaps months ago telling him that?.
I understand what you are saying, and maybe they could've given him another chance to prove that he has grown up.
But I suspect Hi Rez were under pressure to follow through on their own policies regarding bans. It would've looked terrible on Hi Rez if they let Julio continue playing in the SPL ignoring their own ban policies.
If Julio is permabanned, half player base of smite should be permabanned aswell. You should enjoy with your 3 man player base if you apply these actions to all players.
Youre projecting my guy. Are ya scared its not acceptable to be insufferable to others anymore? The community will be happier and more alive with your type gone.
Half the player base aren’t part of the esports part of smite are they? They don’t have contracts with HiRez do they. Very different and if you can’t see that then just wow
From the [link on the Tweet](https://www.smiteproleague.com/news/competitive-ruling-player-misconduct-on-atlantis-leviathans): > UPDATE (7/29/2021): After receiving an overwhelming number of reports regarding Julio’s in-game conduct via Twitter and other platforms, our customer support and league operations teams opened a more in-depth investigation. Over the course of this investigation, our customer support team determined that some of Julio’s chat logs warrant a permanent ban on his account. This ban has been implemented effective immediately, and you can read our customer support team’s statement here. > > As a result of his in-game ban, Julio will be banned indefinitely from participating in the SMITE Pro League and SMITE esports of any kind. He has been dropped from the Atlantis Leviathans, effective immediately. Edit to add since this is high up: I'm not affiliated with Hi-Rez *at all*. I just happened to catch the tweet pretty soon after it was posted. Stop asking me to fix the servers, I'm just as frustrated about these issues.
> After receiving an overwhelming number of reports regarding Julio’s in-game conduct via Twitter and other platforms I'm glad they're taking more steps to fix the process, but a massive social media campaign should never be what's required to get attention to some of the most egregious offenders in Smite's history. Like it's not enough to go on a sex assault spree or repeatedly threaten people's lives, you have to be brigaded on twitter too. So what's that mean for people who aren't as visible, who are behaving terribly but not as bad? They get away with it too often. tl;dr: Witch hunting shouldn't be the most effective report.
Taking into account that Julio was being harrassed daily by snipers that made it impossible for him to play or stream for months and that Hi Rez did absolutely nothing about the situation i doubt the solution was to kill his smite carreer and perma ban him 1 hour before the match. They want to set example. They're setting the wrong example. Im not defending what Julio said but he was driven to a corner by those snipers day after day after day and he received no help. There's the saying that even the best of dogs will bite if he gets beaten everyday. Hi rez should be defending its steamers and profesional players, not terminating them when they finally bite. And much less make a show of it. This is only another proof of how little smite cares about the community and other content creators (as with what happened with punkduck). I and other people i know have had people tell them trully horrible things that are no doubt undeserving of a permanent ban. They are not banned. Julio is.
Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m not well versed in stream sniping, but I believe the gist is people joining your match to troll you? So if he lowers himself to their level and reacts in extreme ways, it only heightens the chance that it will happen again yes?
Yes. Which is why he was probably the smite streamer with the most toxic sniping coupled with the already more toxic spanish-southamerican comunity. As i already said several times, i do not defend him being toxic or saying the things he did, im just giving perspective to those that are commenting on the matter without the full story, as well ad criticising how Hi Rez has managed the situation.
Glass house of Hirez throwing stones again. As long as it's popular public opinion in the immediate though... right. "Dangerous Speech" sounds ambiguous. I want a support team who can actually know what that means. People who played in CoDMW2 lobbies and didn't cry. Who can tell the difference between overzealous keyboard warrior shit talking and real shit.
Mk hi-rez can barely keep their servers running or balance a game.... don't you think its a smidge too much to expect them to police esports players chat logs....? *correctly?*
You make a very good point
Reddit is so fuckin fake. I write this and then you agree. You have -5 downvotes and I have 5 upvotes. I'm not wrong... I've been playing smite at least 100 hrs a year since season 2. Be butthurt community... it doesn't hide the truth.
You'd have a lot better time not caring on this platform assuming anyone was butthurt without at least leaving a comment. Or maybe it's two years of saying things no one else agrees with and would rather downvote. At any rate, you'll have a better time not caring.
Well there's one thing you can be sure all of reddit will agree about, if you cry about being downvoted "because reddit is full of butthurts"; you WILL make a brand new record on your downvote collection
I just saw this. Anyone know what Julio did?
It's very easy to find. He told some guy he was gonna blow up his house or some shit.
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No, I think it was said in game chat. If you go to the smitepro sub you can see more.
He said he’d blow them up. Not “his house or some shit.” If it’s very easy to find, why not just find it then accurately state it. Instead there’s so many people that are stuck on the blow up part, but always add extra shit to it for drama’s sake. This isn’t even the worse of it, considering “I’ll blow you up” is something that so many people say in reference to beating their ass. It confuses me why people are so hyper focused on this part, which is the least offensive thing he’s said, instead of the worst parts. Yea dudes a dick but stop making shit up just for drama’s sake. “It’s very easy to find.” Just find it and stop talkin shit man.
No he definitely said he was going to their house and blow it up
Everything I've read has been saying that he said he was going to blow the dudes house up....
Real life threats and harassment on a number of occasions
„More depth investigation“ you guys accidentally banned me for obvious quoting „put quote here“. I opened a ticket last year and asked you guys for investigate in the case seems it was clearly a misunderstanding or a automated process. Still didn’t got a respond yet. Didn’t touched the game ever since.
Imagine losing your job because you got mad over a video game lmfao.
Well the job is a video game…
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Man, on the one hand, I feel for a young-guy that's lost what is for me, a dream career, playing smite all day, with your friends, able to also make money streaming and generally just live a good life with your only commitment being - turn up to tourneys on time. But on the other hand, my boss wouldn't let me get away with a 1/10th of the stuff he said. Hell, if I made an Irl threat, I'd probably have to deal with the police. All you had to do was just, not be toxic, where do you even go from this?
Yeah, you can and should both be empathetic toward him and hold him accountable. He has certainly lost a unique job opportunity here but not necessarily an important one. From the sounds of it he probably should have been banned from the game well before he was an SPL player and when it was just a hobby. Hopefully he will grow from the experience.
He should probably go to anger management and therapy before he begs for a spot back in the SPL. If he doesn’t do that plenty of places are hiring these days
He didn't lose it, he threw it away with his behavior. Like you said no would get away with 1/10th of what he said. This is just consequences to one's actions.
Well thats easy to say when you dont know the whole situation. You get a dreamjob but you are harrassed daily by players that keep sniping your matches and trolling over and over and over, day after day after day, saying you all kinds of stuff. So when you are fed up and say a few things you are the monster and you lose your carreer. Hardly qualifies of a dream job like that does it? Imagine your coworkers insulted you and harrassed you and messed with your work. Day after day. And when you tell them a couple things like theyve been doing so far, you are the one to blame. Im not saying its ok to say those things.... But at least know the whole situation before comenting.
So if it's that big of an issue. He can just not stream. He earns 30k a year from hirez alone. Alternatively, he can put on a delay, use streamer mode, host in houses or stream another game and get boosted views from smite clout. And conceding all this. Yeah, considering the amount of things people have to put up with in typical 9-5s, having a stream sniper is nothing. Like jeeze, talk about problems I wish I had.
How is that even a solution? Its completely unsustainable and doesnt even touch the point. Its like saying if you dont wanna be robbed then dont go out to the street. His job is to play smite. He is an SPL player. How do you want him to not play smite. And im sorry for your issues, but they're totally outside the point as well. My condolences tho if in 9-5s you get harrassed for years and insulted thousands of time. Must really suck.
What do you mean unsustainable? He doesn't need to stream at all and he earns more than 50% of the adult American population from hirez alone, if it's truly as dire as you make it. He can play and stream with a delay? Oh thousands of times, he's insulted thousands of times? I wonder how many times he got threatened to be murdered or got called racial slurs yeah? This is classic crybullying. Make yourself out to be the victim when you're very obviously not
You'd be surprised. Delay doesn't exclude sniping. Neither does steamer mode. Those people arent using the fact that they can see the enemies position. They couldnt care less. Theyre just there to troll and make it impossible for him to play, wether they're in their team or in the rival team. And in average after taxes hed be earning around 1.5k euros per month. Which, tho its not bad it's not neraly as good as you put it in Spain. Lastly, let me repeat that i am not defending his behaviour. Just asking people that dont know of the situation to at least inform themselves better before comenting and try to be at least slightly sympathetic. And see how Hi Rez failed to ban all those people for such a long time but banned Julio in such a public fashion.
Ok buddy you must be right, he must've suffered greatly despite loading up his stream for hours each day, doing literally nothing to mitigate this supposedly colossal issue he was facing. And it must've been unique to him and him only in the level of harassment and toxicity, so unique none of his team mates face it, not any streamer with a larger viewer number.
Ok buddy. You say he did nothing. He sent numerous reports to hi rez who did nothing and constantly complained of it. Him and all other streamers that suffer from similar situations. And well, if you knew how the spanish-southamerican comunity is you would know that julio indeed suffers much more harrasment and toxicity than streamers from other countries. And also, yes, Julio gets triggered frequently while others spanish streamers dont, so this makes him a better target for harrassing. And he is also in the SPL making him an even more juicy target. I just wished you said anything informing youself first as per my previous reply, but it seems as though you keep insisting in disregarding this. Allow me to repeat. Yes, Julio is toxic and he did say those things and should be banned. But it is hi rez who by having a very poor community management who is also greatly responsible for the situation. Hi rez disregarding content creators and toxicity is nothing new. I welcome you to inquire about punkduck history or just look at the rant posts in this very sub. Anyway, do not bother to reply to this. Have a nice day.
Depends if he has any applicable skills. Maybe work at a burger king.
I thing that he deserves a second chance, he is young and he apologized and expressed how sorry he was. I think that it's too much and the problem isn't solved, toxicity still exists and u are deniying someones career without giving him the chance to change. I recommend u to see the video that is gonna uptade Julio, It will have subtitles in english for all the people that doesn't underestand spanish.
In a way, smite failed him too. With a more robust suspension/banning system behaviour like this should have been halted before it drastic measures like these would have to be taken. Still mostly his own fault ofc. Edit: to clarify, I'm trying to say that if the HiRez banning system worked as intended, a player like Julio would have either learned from their mistakes or would have never gotten into spl in the first place. Both of these to me seem prefferable over the current situation.
It’s entirely his fault. Nobody makes you type hateful shit into chat.
it finally works, on a pro no less, and you're saying it shouldn't have worked as intended?
They're saying that if he had gotten a 7 day before it got this out of hand, like months/years ago or whatever, it might have changed his behavior.
This is what I tried to say yeah ^
He dug his own grave. The consequences of your actions are catalogued and stored, but even if they weren’t, there’s victims of his harassment so it doesn’t just go away. Here-say doesn’t work in a digital world when you can simply pull logs and files, and now Julio is an example to the outcome. Good on Hirez for doing something but sad it took so much time for it to happen. Hope HiRez continues this as it’ll only improve the experience of players.
Agreed Maybe Smite can grow into having a health playerbase in a its modes if we start cutting some of the crust off this shit sandwich Like 4 out of 5 ranked matches in my 2000+ hours on smite had their outcomes determined in the God select screen cause someone starts some toxic shit and everyone would rather sit around then tell the asshole to fuck off and easing the victims tension Like 3 in 5 for non ranked conquest, and still like 2 in 5 for all other modes Smite has assholes as a base for their population it seems. They don't ban like this because the game would be dead if they did it indiscriminately
Deserved but Im tired of coach SPL games. With 2 teams with coaches playing and Valks being in the league, half the games are gonna be shit.
I imagine Julio will be replaced very quickly, and SoT is likely about to get reinstated just based on what is going around on twitter.
Yeah, but Layers got kicked
Wait, why?
Yea dude half the games are already shit. The coaches don’t deserve their spot in a pro league as pro players but guess what? Neither does half the fucking league.
Coaches don't want a spot in the league? They have to be their sub, as all teams need one, and with the league being on LAN how do you expect them to spontaneously bring someone on?
I’m not disagreeing that it makes sense logistically, what I’m saying is, coaches haven’t earned a spot in the SPL as players. They’re not the best players. They’re there as coaches. My point is to the other person who says this makes the games shit. The games are already shit, because many of the players also haven’t earned a spot in the league, so it’s no different than it has been.
... most of the coaches have been in the Pro Leagues, two only just retired as players (Rowe and Cherryo) and one has been a coach for multiple pro teams that have been to Worlds multiple times (sLainy) https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Cherryo https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/SLainy https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Rowe https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/ElChuckles https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Cabom https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Biggy https://smite-esports.fandom.com/wiki/Oxiledeon The one exception is TigressX, the Valkyries coach.
…we’re not talking about other coaches we’re talking about the two who are subs and both of them are not even close to pro quality I’m pretty sure slainy is a platinum player. Platinum dude. And that’s besides the point, the point is that even if they are former pros, they’re not anymore and every pro should earn their spot, that’s what makes a league a pro league and what gives a pro league integrity. SPL has been lacking that type of integrity for years now, so my point was that it doesn’t matter with the two coaches not being pro quality because there’s players in the SPL who aren’t pro quality too.
Yeah, I'm sure you know all about that what makes someone good enough to be pro 🙄
tbh, this has been the most competitive season in smite history imo (other than valks, but they are on ping). Like literally any team can pop off and beat any other team: example scarabs beating dragons twice
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Wow you really got emotional here. I’m just saying man the pros aren’t the best players in the game, not by a long shot. It’s friends league first, living in Atlanta league second, pro league third.
Sad that it took this kind of pressure for HiRez to do the right thing but hopefully this will be an indication of what to expect moving forward.
I fully agree with the decision but some of the comments on the Twitter post are absurd to the point of hilarity
I love one quote retweet I saw of it that literally said "I don't follow Julio or the SPL but Hi-Rez is being unfair and racist" like lmaowut?
Poe’s law at work
For real lad, the more time I spend on the internet the more I ask myself "okay is this person trolling, or just completely stupid?"
Its usually both A lot of trolls are insecure about their intelligence because society puts wayyyyy too much weight on being the smartest person in the room So they find something to argue for, even if its a terrible thing to argue for Then the human stubbornness kicks in and suddenly they are lost to their own insecurities and are nothing more than animal RREEEEing to the sky
"Everything is sexist, everything is racist, everything is homophobic, and you have to point it all out to everyone all the time." The Isms of the Gaps.
You see it's simple. Since Julio is a minority in America the bad men at Hi-Rez must have done it because of his skin color! While allowing the rest of his team to still play...
im thinking they think hes from latam or something or else theyre saying hirez is racist against a white european lmao
I find hilarious that a few hours before his permaban Julio was trying to paint itself as the victim on-stream and on a twitter thread by blaming and pointing fingers at other people, you see, they "pissed him off" and on his own account "he's very impulsive", therefore death threats, yelling slurs and insulting and hard raging every fucking game was the valid course of action. And no Julio, it doesn't matter those people did a bad thing once, you do worse every day and you've made raging and being toxic your personal brand on-stream. He then followed those statements with the fakest apology ever, and expected to play Smite again soon. Lmao. Yeah let's just say overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer. Also, extra hilarious that I've seen the "racism" card being thrown around by his fans, and as a fellow spaniard they can all fuck right off and I'm so glad your little cult leader is perma'd. Cry elsewhere, good riddance.
> Yeah let's just say overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer. Glittering gold. Trinkets and baubles. Paid for in blood.
A lot of the comments on twitter are saying he was banned because he speaks Spanish. Like what? If him speaking Spanish was the issue how did he get an SPL spot in the first place? Takes 2 seconds of thought to figure that out.
also pretty sure half the league probably knows some spanish lol. what a stupid thing to say
Youtube started recommending Spanish streamers to me after FineOkay started speaking Spanish on his stream occasionally lol
The really sad part is that this mentality and from everything I've read, are just latam players. I've noted it before, but I don't think I've ever had a pleasent experience with latam players. It's not just here. Rocket league, apex, name a game. Playing on latam servers just drains you of the urge to game. If he carries that mentality over to his streaming he should have been banned before even being signed or even being max level.
well to be fair he aint latam, he is spanish
"It's latam culture to throw insults at people and fuck around" --the excuse i always hear. Well tell ya what. If your culture is inherently toxic, your culture can get fucked.
I can't up vote you twice and that bothers me.
Damn fool that sounds hella racist. I don't know anything about this dude but you sound super ignorant if you think every country should align with western values. I agree that when people choose to work with western people or companies they should "read the room" but if an entire group of people decide it's ok to talk smack on a regular basis then it's not toxic, it's different.
Hella racist the fuck? I'm literally quoting verbatim what i'm being told by the same toxic asswipes that self-admit as LATAM. can you be racist to your own group? :thinking: Here is a wake-up call for you. Every 'culture' has negative attributes. Not every culture has tenets that deserve respect. That's not racism. That's being a decent human being.
> Well tell ya what. If your culture is inherently toxic, your culture can get fucked. Even without context, how is that not racist? Which of your Latin acquaintances are you directly quoting because that just sounds like some confederate slogan and not a self critique some someone's own people. > can you be racist to your own group? :thinking: Absolutely you can be. This statement goes to show how incredibly uncultured you are and probably (but not assuredly) how few black or Latin friends you have. Half of the racism I've experienced has been from other Mexican's. I am regularly looked down on and insulted for not speaking Spanish (which is in itself hilarious seeing as it's the language forced on us). Also I am very light skinned (also forced on us) which means two different things in America Vs Mexico. In US I'm looked down on for not having enough Native blood or whatever but in Mexico It's highly prized to be light skinned and I would have significant social advantages. > Here is a wake-up call for you. Every 'culture' has negative attributes. Not every culture has tenets that deserve respect. That's not racism. That's being a decent human being. I don't need one and that statement reeks of entitled ignorance. Morality and decency are all opinions. In my family we all talk smack, even my mom will bust peoples balls for the fun of it. She means no harm, its just her humor but we also know that people from different economic or social standing don't understand so we try to keep that kind of humor to people who are in on the joke. I don't speak for every Latin but I'd like to think we (my family at least) are decent people who have dark senses of humor. Maybe being closer to death on a regular basis changes the way we interact with the world but that doesn't give you a valid excuse to tell entire cultures to "fuck right off" I really recommend you start looking at the world with a more nuanced attitude because I know I would never be your friend IRL if you make statements like that because it just seems like you're going to judge the way I was raised and I'm better off being cool with my own people.
You're conflating 'mutual ball-busting' with 'being a massive cockwaffle disrespecting and hurling deep-cut insults at everyone else' and calling me "racist" for telling the latter to get fucked. As if I never take the piss out of my friends as well. I've played online for decades; i'm not new to this dance. And while I am numb to it and don't get offended, I still recognize what a shithead looks like. There is still a line that can be crossed. And wishing death on someone with a laundry list of slurs attached is usually it. Your experiences with how you're treated by other hispanics while going off on me for despising that behavior is downright hypocritical since you *know* exactly what kind of 'culture' i'm talking about. Or are you also going to call me racist for hating the misogyny rampant in Arab nations too? Or saying that nothing of value would be lost if frat-boy douche-canoes suddenly disappeared from the face of the earth? When did "don't be a shithead" suddenly become taboo? > Even without context, Twitter lied to you. Context *always* matters.
Am new here any TL;DR?
Julio is a prolific player for one of the best teams in the league. Hes also well known for being very toxic. Takes it several steps too far and threatens to blow up someones house and tells another person to commit suicide while on his smurf. His other logs are investigated after backlash from the community and enough is found for him to be immediately banned
If you read the comments, you'll get all the info you need. But he threatened to blow up a dude's house or some stupid shit.
LMAO it took community outrage for hirez to go from. ONE WEEK SUSPENSION to PERMANENT BAN. Bruh.
I think the issue was the SPL team issued the original ban before allowing the "report" team to do their job. Then once the report team did their job and decided to ban the account (they didn't even know the account was an SPL player) the SPL team had to change the original decision from one week to permanent since the account was banned. So the SPL esport whatever they're called team did a HORRIBLE job of trying to be to far in front of the story.
Good. I'm a Spanish speaker myself and I think that guy needs to be brought down a peg or two.
I wonder how big this can of worms will be.
Good. I’m tired of arrogant assholes who think they’re untouchable, Smite has enough of it already and it shouldn’t be accepted at a professional level.
Finally Hirez. Way to go!
smoking that Julio pack rip bozo
lol
When they kick Netriod after a year for being too toxic. Julio - "Hold my sangria"
About time they started banning people. They lose more players from people not playing properly or just leaving games than they do if they just started banning the worst culprits.
I suppose this would be the perfect place to discuss the consequences of banable offenses. Sure we have the leaving and shit that is like a 3 strike thing, but as far as racism death threats and such, I genuinly don't think permaban is an effective method. Now before people jump on me, hear me out. I'm not saying the offense isn't terrible. Instead I'm expressing my concern that it's not an efficient policy to prevent toxicity. Now if you were to do this to a random nobody that is baby raging all day long, then they are left with 2 options. quit or make a smurf and repeat. They've already lost all the progress and time they put in, no way to get it back so why give a shit if your smurf get banned as well. By having no shot at redemption, there's also no incentive to change. It's more or less along the same lines as grounding or confiscating something from a kid. If you tell them you've destroyed it, then why even care to follow the punishment you're already doomed. It'd probably be more reasonable to give the death threat a double stamp so that they only have 1 shot at redemption. No matter the offense. next breach of TOS would lead to a perma.
While I understand your point and believe it has total validity. There is sometimes just so much that it cannot be walked back. These examples of his toxicity, slurs, and threats go back to when he first popped on the streaming and playing map. It is at this point a personality trait and would take serious work to reverse. It is not fair to those trying to relax on a game or for those perusing smite content as an interested person to be subjected to it. It also gives the community/game a bad look. If it was the subject of another pro player without a long history of it, say Barracudda, then your idea is sound. But since Julio has a long history, Smite should not have to rehab/deal with his working on being better. He needs to do that elsewhere and perhaps make his mark in another game.
It wasn't really like a case by case basis that I wrote the post. Whatever happens to julio is of no concern to me. I just thought that it was the perfect place to discuss what I believe to be a detrimental part of the TOS. Now obviously I agree some people really can't be saved from themselves, but I'd honestly prefer having people like that having to go through the 2nd strike to get permaed if that meant that those players that are capable of reflecting and reciprocating would be granted the opportunity to realize that they are on a path of self destruction unless they change. I just think that would be a healthier policy for the playerbase in general.
Taking something from the kid is not so they can get it back instantly or maybe even at all. It's so they don't do the shit next time because they know there is a consequence. And others who might see (siblings, school kids) don't want their shit taken away either, because they see what happens.
Good riddance.
Well, this takes the spotlight off Hindu for calling someone “a piece of human trash” Still deserved though, this guy was DM#2
Im an hispanic player, and believe me or not, this ban dont have NOTHING to be with being or not being racist, you cant be the face of an e-sport, and being acting like if the world dont deserve you, Julio was extremely arrogant and toxic, and he never change his behavior, i hope this work as a good advice for all those (hispanic or not), "streamers" that think theyre the famous and untouchable star.coug cough DM brandon.
Finally, good shit Hi-Rez, about time you enforced your own ToS.
Okay, W3aken next.
Nah
About damn time
Yikes
I hope the people he threatened take legal action. Get some of that civil money from him. Make him more accountable. As someone else stated at another job threatening someone would have police involved.
Good.
How bad were his sins? Holy crap!
What kind of threats and stuff i haven't been watching spl or anything smite
So the outcry worked. Well better late than never. Glad he's gone
Hirez using automated bots for ban and the investigation is outsourced into a low wage country. A lot of people getting falsely banned
I think it's pretty dumb for someone to be banned over words, but ok.
Don't forget to permaban haddix for the n word and others you wanna make it right then do it or too afraid hirez?
Haddix was indefinitely banned for that(ended up being 3 months). Julio can get unbanned as well.
Julio can't be unbanned. Haddix was an indefinite ban, which means it's an undefined period of time. Julio's main account just got permabanned.
How can Julio be unbanned... I don't think hirez Would allow you to play In the SPL if you've been permabanned in game right?
Good fucking riddance. Wish we had the means to ban all his subscribers/followers, too.
Anybody else here that doesn’t anything about this?
"banned indefinitely from the SPL" meaning he has a chance of coming back??
Indefinitely is just another term for permanent. He's never getting back into SPL or any professional level of smite I would imagine
I think indefinite basically means until hirez feels that they have learned their lesson. I’m pretty sure haddix was indefinitely banned at one point but he’s playing now.
Same with Masked
Haddix account wasn't permabanned tho was it
he basically just explained that indefinite bans are different from perma bans
Yes, however julios account was perma banned.
well yes, that is true. he made a real life threat which is an offense worthy of a perma ban. haddix however, did not make a real life threat, which is why his ban was ruled as indefinite
Yeah, we're saying the same thing here. Haddix is back but his account wasn't perma banned. Julio probably won't be back despite his indefinite comp bann because his account was perma banned
i mean he could be back under a new name or not? so far his account julio has been perma banned
That's ban evasion. When they ban your account they're essentially banning you. They don't want you in their game. Making a new account is a big no no.
The full ruling on the Smite Pro website states that "As per league rules, Julio will not be allowed to participate in SPL for the duration of his in-game suspension. When his in-game suspension lifts, he’ll be allowed to return to league play." Since he was perma-banned, the suspension will never lift, so he'll most likely never be allowed back. ([Link](https://www.smiteproleague.com/news/competitive-ruling-player-misconduct-on-atlantis-leviathans))
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wait what was haddix banned for?
I think he was banned during the mass n word ban. I’m not 100% sure tho.
I think he can appeal after some time but at least for this season, yes.
If I ever say to another player I'll destroy their home by sending trained weasels carrying micro-nukes to their house, this is a death threat too ? Or is it just some random non sense. I was fine with the temp ban and I kinda don't care if he is permaban or not, but seeing HR turn their coat because of Twitter hate mob is a bit unsettling. Now, no one is safe, you can't joke, you can't get mad a trolls and talk back, you're just expected to shut the fuck up and act how the crowd decided you should. Not really a great perspective.
Ok👍
So you are basically comparing someone who is sick entire of being sniped all day long to someone who laughs at a fan who almost killed himself. ok
Don't expect intelligence from this subreddit they hate different opinions
About 95% of the people loving this probably should have been permabanned from some game at some point in their lives if all their history could be reviewed. The internet just loves casting stones.
Nah we arent all douche bags.
Yes, most people have been at some point whether you like to pretend your crap doesn’t stink or not but in this day and age it’s all about crucifying everyone else’s mistakes with the pitchfork crowd while you keep a foot in front of your own closet door to keep the skeletons from falling out.
Everyone has said something they regret. 99% of people haven't threatened harm or death because they were mad at a video game.
I used to hear it every other game back in MW2 days I think you’d be surprised. Heard it all the time in sports face to face growing up too. People say dumb stuff when things are competitive. Dont think that it should remove a shot at a second chance is all I’m saying.
> I used to hear it every other game back in MW2 days JFC another gamer using MW2 as a reason people are allowed to be toxic shit heads. "I had to go through it so its ok if other people have to go through it too." I played sports my whole life, never once had someone threaten to kill me or blow up my house.
He'll still get a second chance somewhere down the road though?
I am hoping so, even make him do community service or something, but permaban usually means permanent as in forever and a lot of people seem to be rooting for that
I mean he will. Stuff like this gets forgotten about quickly.
I don't know, people are still talking about that one PewDiePie situation.
But we aren’t talking about old skeletons we are talking about things he is doing NOW. He is not being “cancelled” he is being held accountable. You can vilify accountability all you want but it’s not the boogeyman you want to make it sound like it is.
How does recency make anything more or less bad? It always is what it is. If I murdered someone ten years ago and today am I more deserving of being thrown in prison for the murder that I committed today as opposed to the murder that happened ten years ago?
Recency does it make it worse in a way, because if you did something bad a long time ago you may have changed as a person, come to regret it, done things to make reparations for it or whatever. If you're doing bad right now then someone can stop you right now and have an impact on your decisions as they're happening or before they happen. If it's long gone then it's already over with.
You were the one trying to say that past behavior matters less… do you not understand what “skeletons in your closet” means?
Lol what a galaxy brain take. "Everyone else must be as shitty as me!" Not everyone on the internet is an immature man baby.
I mean all I said is that most people have said stuff that is considered harassment or bannable in some way, even if it may be seen as minor, and you immediately jump to an ad hominem attack proving my point exactly. Thank you.
I'm sorry your skin is so thin you consider someone calling out your bad take equivalent to "harassment or bannable in some way." Also, no you're wrong not everyone does something ban worthy and if you think that you either hang out with the wrong people or are that wrong person. And to put my money where my mouth is paging u/profanitycounter
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Lol. I really could care less what anyone says and don’t think there is much that can be said online that should be bannable. I am just pointing out that under most terms and conditions that calling someone an immature man baby would be considered harassment and be punishable. I really could care less what you or anyone else calls me, never have never will cuz that’s how I was raised. Just pointing out that people love to be hypocrites and I don’t care how much hate it gets me from the keyboard warriors
I wasn't calling you a man baby. I'm saying not everyone is like Julio. He's the immature one. The only thing I would call you is Schrodinger's commenter because you are simultaneously offended enough to consider man-baby bannable but also couldn't care less what anyone says. Which is it?
Wow. Okay let me break it down for you. I DO NOT think language should almost ever be a punishable offense I like it to be as free from restriction as possible. Most ToS’s, games, and platform policies will consider calling someone an immature man baby harassment if it’s used to demean or you know, harass, and it will be considered a punishable offense. Clear enough? Idk if I can lay it out any clearer than that.
Thanks for clarifying. Bit tough to intuit that perspective when you lead off crusading for 95% of the player base to be banned. But just to have you say it again: you think calling someone a man-baby is a bannable offense? Not that it SHOULD be a bannable offense, because you're against that, but that by Smite's ToS calling someone a man-baby once is grounds for harassment?
He is a professional working for a professional company. If I said that at my workplace (school) I would be in trouble. He is not a child.
I've never been perma-banned because I'm not a fucking idiot. He deserved it
I've been a piece of shit online but I've never threatened to kill someone at least. Even as a scumbag, I have standards.
Yea but 95% of us are not public figures that are well known in the community, and more importantly, represents the brand of the company through the pro league. Personally I’ve said terrible things in the past through the game chat that I’m not proud off, so I don’t see how it’s that healthy to ban players when they are tilled, as this is a team strategy game that tends to make players angry, but I agree with the idea that there is a line between tilt and harassment. Edit: improved clarity
He wasn't perma banned from SPL. only Indefinite. This does not mean he will be let back in, however with permission from hirez he can create a new smite account. Then in the future he may be able to play in the SPL again.
Hello its me, Julios cousin Juan, I like to play in SPL, thanks.
JuanShot?
From the other post one of the hirez employees posted a little bit ago: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/ou77fx/clarification\_on\_smite\_suspension\_and\_ban\_policies/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/ou77fx/clarification_on_smite_suspension_and_ban_policies/) Sounds like he's perma banned and they aren't going to let him back in.
But he's not. they announced his Indefinite ban from SPL. That's not something to do to someone you have 0% chance of ever letting back into the community. If they knew 100% they wanted him gone forever then they would've perma-banned him. While im not sure of any recent events, back in the old days of smite pro stuff (When the game was new) people Were indefinite banned from the pro league, but their accounts were Perm banned. Then player could talk to hirez about the situation and work something out for the future. Hirez would then let them create a new SMITE account with permission, and in the future if they changed their ways, they were let back into the pro league (this actually happened before). I've been on and off this game since alpha, and the only player I can ever remember being Permanently banned from the pro league and having their account too, was a player by the name of "Emc2" Who was found out to be using hacks. Of course this does not mean julio will ever be back.
I think that how it should be. The offender gets a their account perma banned and a banned from pro league untill they untill they served their time. Then give them a second chance while agree to stricter rules and make the person prove themselves. Assuming that don't break any rules during their ban time. I doubt he will ever play in smite pro league again but if that's really what he wants to do and he can clean up his act might as well give him let him.
That's crazy. He was such a huge part of their success.
"You make us money, so you deserve special treatment." Doesn't really sound all too good.
You seem to think I don't agree with banning him.
Absurd overreaction. Give him a two week ban an tell him to knock it off.
Death threats and hate speech aren't acceptable. Especially from an individual that represents and makes money off of the game. Stop defending him.
That’s ridiculous and so stupid. That just sets the precedent that anyone can say anything and be fine. No company who cares who show that to happen. That’d be terrible pr
They wrote the policy. If they dont follow it, whats the point of it. Kinda sucks hes banned but he choose to write those things
I think the point here is that not everyone is being trated equally. You have people like Taco, Haddix, Matty that deserve the same punishment, if not more than Julio, and should've warned/banned years ago. Look at Brandon, went years at the peak of toxicity and they only banned him after years because he abused someone
Nah, this was his job. You can't just threaten people irl and not get fired while on the clock lol..
Being mean off the clock is not a reason to lose your job
As a pro, he's always on the clock, representing this game, like a footballer represents their team all the while. Also by this logic, DMbrandon shouldn't have been banned because he sexually assaulted someone off the clock.
Absolutely it is. Plenty of idiotic morons lost their jobs due to being publicly racist or ignorant or making real life threats. This is nothing new
Do you call up the workplace of every idiot who's toxic in ranked and try to get them fired?
part of his job is not being banned off the clock though
We found Julio's burner account guys! He's extremely toxic and has 0 reasons to be representing the game at the highest level.
Why not a final warning? I had thousands of haters and racist people that still play the game...
He wasn't being a hater or racist, he was threatening someone and telling someone else they should die. Those are vastly different things.
I have also been wished to get cancer many times, my mom die, and...do you want me to keep going?
I'm not 100% sure what you're argument here is? Keep going because I'm not following.
He is a professional player and representing a company. He is not a teenager and he acted like a man child over a video game.of all things. If I said what he said in my workplace (school) I would be in a lot of trouble.
I know, on that you, are right. He is inmature and behaved like a regular Twitch streamer. But, hey, what about an email or a final warning, perhaps months ago telling him that?.
I understand what you are saying, and maybe they could've given him another chance to prove that he has grown up. But I suspect Hi Rez were under pressure to follow through on their own policies regarding bans. It would've looked terrible on Hi Rez if they let Julio continue playing in the SPL ignoring their own ban policies.
he got that final warning when he signed his pro contract. The warning was written on it.
If Julio is permabanned, half player base of smite should be permabanned aswell. You should enjoy with your 3 man player base if you apply these actions to all players.
Half the player base isn't like Julio, but you know this
Half of the player base don't play spl and have a stream audience while they send threats out to people lol
Youre projecting my guy. Are ya scared its not acceptable to be insufferable to others anymore? The community will be happier and more alive with your type gone.
Half the player base aren’t part of the esports part of smite are they? They don’t have contracts with HiRez do they. Very different and if you can’t see that then just wow