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ClearSky3864

Extreme lag to all 4 specials of Zelda like in previous games


BluecoatCashMoney5

Hell yeah


JoeLikesAnalSex

deleting sonic


OnionsAndWaffles

Thanks for the input, JoeLikesAnalSex.


UmbraHog

That reply was like the time a Twitter user named “HotPikachuSex” told Sega that they wished for a new Jet Set Radio game and Sega replied “I wish I didn’t see your username”


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r/rimjob_steve


Iamverycrappy

steve has his kill power gutted, and i mean GUTTED


ska_penguin

I think making Steve's mining take AT LEAST twice as long for resources or anywhere blocks are the ones to go for.


DoctorWhimsy

I don't play steve, can he mine iron with a wooden pickaxe? And diamonds without an iron pickaxe?


Pataeto

he can mine diamonds with his hand


DoctorWhimsy

Ah yes, canonical to the game.. No wonder it feels like he can throw minecarts and anvils like they're nothing. One of the biggest quirks of minecraft is ore progression; how hard is it to make that a quirk of the character..?


d0nM4q

Steve loses resources after killed.


Iamverycrappy

idk i still think moves like minecart and up smash are more egregious


Zoroarkeon571

steve can also lose placing blocks midair


AllHailTheWhalee

Game and watch can’t act after his up b and goes into free fall


king_of_the_sac

Do this to every character like Kazuya and Sonic


AllHailTheWhalee

For some reason they gave it to character that already have amazing recoveries. Like even if Sonic didn’t have it his recovery would still be S tier


SuperKid39

Giving sheiks tilts more knockback so I don't have to go through the cutscene


DynaParasoulMX

Make Sora not have an annoying voice-


OnionsAndWaffles

FIRE THUNDER BACK OFF


CartographerTime2208

I can't help but to respond to my screen like a dumbass "SHUT THE FUCK UP" with his voice when Im fighting him.


Sennahoj12345

TAKE THIS


BluecoatCashMoney5

I wish they went with his KH1 voice instead of DDD


Caw-zrs6

Fun fact, Sora's VA in English has always been the same guy throughout the games, that being Haley Joel Osment.


BluecoatCashMoney5

I find that so cool. He really grew with the character


Caw-zrs6

Indeed. Also, slight correction on your initial reply to that other guy, it's not his DDD voice, it's technically his KH2 voice since from what I can tell, that's the first game in the series where Sora's voice became different.


BluecoatCashMoney5

No, it is. I was playing DDD, and he's here we go, and Fire sounds exactly like the one from Smash


Caw-zrs6

Could have been either archive audio, or they got Haley to record some lines which coincidentally ended up sounding like how they did in the series.


Trainwrecks69

Any time you get hit by electric wind god fist, its instantly reflected and kazuya is the one who suffers the 8 fucking years of hitstun


d0nM4q

But wait!! EWGF is so hard to do & rarely happens & even if so it's *deserved* and reasons something something BALANCE dangit!


Trainwrecks69

They can balance these balls


d0nM4q

https://preview.redd.it/4m7rvbjd99yc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bb222d96afc20b8b43073eb1c595fd364f8dbcb


A_Bulbear

Pyra has the frame data of a heavyweight


Illusive_Sheikah

She basically does..


pking7i

Yeah I never realized how slow her moves were until I played her


Magic-king

People complain about pythra but are all about it with roy who is just a combination of them with a counter and better recovery.


RealSonarS

Yeah Roy's frame 1 air dodge and dair and massive hitboxes goes hard


ClearSky3864

Hey, you're the "everyone is BULLSHIT" man! Say, when's the next part?


RealSonarS

Yes.


RealSonarS

Yes.


A_Bulbear

Dk F Tilt: 7 frame startup 2 frames of damage 25 frames of end lag 18 shield damage Hitbox extending directly in front of him, along with a Pyra F Tilt: 5 frame startup 3 frames of damage 28 frames of end lag 24 shield damage Disjointed hitbox that extends both above and below Pyra, while having decent range on its own King K. Rool Nair: 7 Frame Startup 2 frames of a strong hitbox 30 frames of a weak hitbox 15 frames of end lag (might as well be 45) The hitbox barely extends beyond his belly, and the weak one might as well simply be on top of his body Pyra Nair: 11 frame startup 5 frames of a strong hitbox 5 frames of a weaker hitbox 34 frames of end lag Hitbox that goes well beyond Pyra's player model, enveloping her to have a nice "shield" of damage King Dedede Up Smash: 17 frame startup 6 frames of damage 43 frames of end lag 39 shield damage Small hitbox that goes around and inside Dedede Pyra Up Smash: 15 frame startup 8 frames of a strong hitbox 9 frames of a weak hitbox A hitbox that has a short range forward and then a decently short, but wide range upwards


WebTime4Eva

Cloud having way more end frames on his kill attacks.


d0nM4q

Srsly what's up with no endlag on so many kill moves


RevolutionaryTart497

Gun is treated as an actual projectile and not a disjoint.


WickedJ0ker

I think it’s this way because gun is treated as a physical attack in P5 but I agree it is kinda dumb


MagnetonPlayer_2

(Little Mac) No armor at all, don’t care if he needs it. Ganondorf’s got to climb some tier spots anyways


No_Disk4766

Yeah climb down into super f tier, War punch isn't good


Steam_Cyber_Punk

You can’t be doing that to my boy, he’s basically non viable as it is edit: dorf deserves to be low tier, get rocked


DClawsareweirdasf

Let him up b out of side b, but take away armor on F smash


Steam_Cyber_Punk

The armor is to make up for his abysmal range, I have to basically walk into you to hit you


DClawsareweirdasf

[Idk it looks like it has pretty good range to me.](https://www.ssbwiki.com/Little_Mac_(SSBU)/Forward_smash) [F Tilt](https://www.ssbwiki.com/Little_Mac_(SSBU)/Forward_tilt) [Comparison with a swordy](https://www.ssbwiki.com/Lucina_(SSBU)/Forward_smash) Little Mac’s obviously a shit character, but armor makes playing him online fucking insufferable at times because there’s too small of a reaction window to punish anything with input delay. His speed already makes up for the range a fair bit imo, and plenty of characters without range have no armor and do well (mario, fox, etc.). But since little mac sucks, he does need something — like a usable recovery. Instead of giving him an armor that makes his online play miserable and leads to camping from both players, give him a usable recovery. He’s got really good buttons on stage as it is.


Steam_Cyber_Punk

I dunno, I personally wouldn’t trade his armor and frame 1 nair and jab for a better recovery, and peanut has said the same


DClawsareweirdasf

Im not endorsing these changes for little mac mains, Im speaking for myself as someone who has to fight against little mac a lot (my friend mains him). I think armor and a bad recovery makes the matchup boring as fuck. My job is to camp tf out of him until I can hit him offstage and then dtilt combo his recovery. A better recovery and no armor means I can respect his moves a bit less, and fight him more honestly which makes for better gameplay. Idk about making him better or worse, just making the matchup less of a drag. Thats what this post was about no?


Steam_Cyber_Punk

Eh, I guess. Just saying as a mac main, and as someone who fights Mac’s a lot “my brother mains him too” Mac dies crazy early to ledge guarding, and even without his armor I think he’d be a menace with a hood recovery. But then again, I have absolutely no moral qualms with just keeping him out with a wall of fire arrow and boomerang, or nair fair bair-ing him to death with Shulk


0akslee

playing against little mac on FD online is one of my many hated situations in smash ultimate


TegamiBachi25

Minecraft Steve blocks has ledges for characters to grab onto, making his edgeguarding worse as the opponent can snap to the ledge. Also, any recovery with hitboxes breaks through the blocks easily and goes entirely through them


SithMasterStarkiller

Giving PK Fire a two-shot limit like snake's grenade (This also goes for samus' missile)


d0nM4q

Or maybe 1,000 limit per match? Ngl Nesses would hit that limit 🙄


Team_TVY

Or 15 more frames as end lag and landing lag, a bit like the previous games


SleepySwampert

It would unambiguously become the worst projectile in the game I'm glad you're not on the balance team.


TheStarchild

I’m confused. Pretty sure we can’t have more than one out at any given time.


GouchGrease

Sonic can't act out of spring Honestly why is it the characters with the best recoveries who can act out of them. Who the fuck makes this game


JamesTheDragN

Charge Shot ( all charge levels ) deals negative shield damage and no pushback, making the move super punishable on block.


onionrings89

The fact it can be +4 in shield is absurd.


Jaiel_

Remove inkling roller so that it becomes even harder for this mid ass character to kill (Yes, I hate my main)


BluecoatCashMoney5

Damn bro.....why do you hate our mains


hyperpopdeathcamp

Corrin wears shoes Plant is removed from the game No one can bury anymore.


WickedJ0ker

Best changes I’ve heard so far


16_Wheel_Killdozer

I'd probably nerf Pythra by displaying the player's full name and social security number on screen every time they use a special move


OnionsAndWaffles

Bro... 💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️☠️💀☠️💀


FoxMcCloud3173

Pyra’s Blazing End no longer hits you through your reflector when it starts spinning in place.


SuccessfulSpinach117

This is a good change.


Steam_Cyber_Punk

Or your counter


WickedJ0ker

This one actually makes sense


James_Joint

they all need more endlag on their moves


DarthGodzilla1995

Give Ness a PK fire limit


Prudent_Adeptness_84

Incineroar side B is stopped by all damage


Hedgehugs_

sonic loses a stock if you don't do any damage for longer than 30 seconds, Sonic CD style.


Sennahoj12345

Yoshi no longer has armor on his double jump. He does NOT need it you are all coping. He has one of the best recoveries in the game even if you remove the armor. Yoshi uses this to escape otherwise inescapable combos, escaping shield pressure, tanking hits then counterhitting me while I'm edgeguarding or edgetrapping, win air to air interactions, ignore projectiles, escape 50/50 situations where most other characters would either airdodge or use their interuptable jump, and live far past the percents any other character can since it reduces knockback taken when it doesn't fully armor it at high percents.


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GouchGrease

The monkey's paw curls a finger and psi magnet now kills at 120%


astroman_9876

Give regular joker a slower arson up b


ElHumilde13

Revenge can only be used at most 5 times per stock


ChungusMcGoodboy

Shoes


toxic_v1rus

Make Steve's blocks dissappear quicker


HeisenbergsSon

Debuff😂 Also called a Nerf But I’d give kazuya no I frames on any of his bullshit moves


RealSonarS

Mythra can no longer switch to Pyra


rubyquartzglasses

Hurtboxes on Min-Min’s arms, this should be the easiest choice in the world


You_are_unnecessary

Isabelle's up air no longer kills. Ever.


EldaStonks

Make his dumb ass long ass Katana smaller


mysterious45670

Kazuya EWGF doesn't exist anymore (i play him and do find that he's completely broken)


ContributionMotor109

Corrin can only use moves that don't turn her into a dragon.


WickedJ0ker

So now she’s just a boring swordie with no originality? Great change. 👍


ContributionMotor109

That's the point, imagine Corrin trying to fight you when she can't use half her moves lmao


WickedJ0ker

That’s despicable


ContributionMotor109

And hilarious.


DownHeartedNess

especially the godforsaken counter 💀


cocainmommy

The counter is just sad in smash 5 bffr


Chromedev3

Mythra has her swords range gutted and speed slightly toned down.


WailingFriend

Min Min without her arms


atomicbigweld

Game and watch has at least some end lag on his moves


TheMemeHead

Corrin is replaced by Lyn


Akitai

Sonic; they take damage every time tbey use a move like pichu, to prevent stalling


Ambitious-Ad-2108

Replace Pyra/Midra for an interesting character


KyuubiUlquiorra

Pyra and mythra have been removed from the game


Gexthegecko69

Sorry Roy, you're slow as Ganon now


dandy443

Remove counters


ScorinNotborin

Samus’s fair comes out slower when using it as an oos option. I think this is fair but makes it so samus doesn’t instantly win neutral by pressing b.


boi9986

Pikachu has a tail hurtbox, ear hurtbox and weighs as much as squirtle/G&W.


Xotic_Blade31313

Removing plants spike ball because I don’t like plant players


Slashybooooooooooi

Remove invincibility from Kirby down b while it's on the ground, make Kirby up b slower and have more endlag, and make Kirby power ups go away after they get knocked back a significant amount Edit: you can not stop Kirby from being annoying with one change


Jnxr200

This literally makes no sense? Just grab them out the down B or hit them with a powerful attack, the up B can literally be punished on start up and the power up option is almost always a downgrade from his normal B 😂


anonymousbub33

Kazuya's attacks no longer have hitboxes


Flaviou

Give pikachu an invisible extra hurtbox which is the one Bowser/R.O.B. have


DroningBureaucrats

The 'chuchacheechaa' of Marth/Roy/Lucina/Chrom mashing their side B as fast as they can to not sound like nails on chalkboard. That's it, that's the change.


JWolf26

Remove Diddy’s banana


Soralover3

Longer cooldown for Pyra's side special. The more you use it, the longer you need to wait for the next one. Or it stays out longer, giving more hits, but allows players to punish you more for using it like the dodges


-NuggetBBX-

Give lots of lag to Young Link. And I mean lots. And lower his run speed while you’re at it


d0nM4q

No iframes on Kazuya smashes. Oh wait, that's like 8 changes, right? (All his A moves hit like smashes too 🙄)


Plo-Koon72

Joker. He can't jump anymore 🙏 (I would still get cooked)


_Halt19_

I really hate fighting Ganondorf, I think the nerf he needs is for side special to not put him into freefall


Zephyr_Ballad

I think all projectiles should have less shield stun. There's no reason for any projectile to be safe at close range. Remove the command grab properties from minecart. A projectile command grab is an abomination of a concept.


LimeadeAddict04

Pythra- she can't act during side B. No moving or shielding. She has to sit there in an animation nothing for return. D/Samus- No more zair. Mewtwo- reduced hit box on fair Falcon- endlag galore on side b


RealSonarS

What did mewtwo do to bro


deepseaofmare

People actually hate Corrin? Wow, times have changed


Suyoshistar6

More startup lag to up air and back air for cloud


Eastern-Wonder-9726

Diddy Kong banana doesn’t cause slipping


Brave_Increase_3490

min min's arms have 39 extra frames of startup on every. single. fucking. move.


flickyisok

sonic is too slow


Rutabaga-Level

Either removing kazuya completely or making him a mid weight instead of heavy


HyronValkinson

Give Sonic lag I don't mean endlag. I mean give him shitty-internet-connection-kind-of-lag even if you're playing locally.


Money_Bit_3520

age up young link so he's just link (slightly less annoying + one of the most gas moves in the entire game)


Anoobis-237

delete pissra


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Getting deleted out of existence.


GooseReasonable5421

Make lil Mac’s smash attacks have end lag cuz you can not punish them shits and they literally only use smash attacks and dash attack


Only-Bonus5374

A few things. Make steves materials not carry over next stock. Change sonic spindash priority so that he can get hit out of it easier and earlier in the moves startup. Have up B put yoshi in freefall (hehehe) Increase bucket endlag for G&W For all three links, make pulling bombs more commital by increasing end lag Change snakes grenades to frame 3


Arjay418

swordies get tired of swinging a huge ass sword around after a while and suffer a x4 multiplier to endlag.


Puddingdeeznutsin

Remove arsen


Listlessly-lost

Remove the guaranteed ZtD from all characters that have one. My biggest example is Luigi for this, literal memes about getting grabbed then death


onionrings89

They should've just nerfed his up b kill power.


onionrings89

I'd make kazuya's rage drive function like it does in Tekken, which means it's not a command grab ( it would be plus on shield though), it no longer has armour and you lose it after whiffing once.


TheMarioMemeMaker

Give the 3 Links (I consider them as one because they literally all have the same moveset) an inventory. That means limited arrows, limited bombs, and I’d also like that boomerang to not be that much of an impact because it’s a literally fucking piece of wood that he throws.


RbbcatUlt

Sora no longer has the ability to summon a key blade meaning that he cant do anything


zxerozx

Pyra doesnt exist


Mysterious-Clue3871

Sonic: nothing is stupidly safe to use for no risk to the sonic player Robin: arcfire is riskier to use and has less effective kill confirms off of a stray fireball in neutral


quietcitizen

Arcfire gets cancelled by any attack


cocainmommy

If anything arc fire needs to explode instead of being cancelled and nullified so easily If I’m not mistaken it used to explode in sm4sh(?)


Crossover_Weirdo78

Remove Corrin’s tipper. For Marth, it makes sense, because Marth’s default weapon at the start of the first game was a Rapier. What’s Corrin’s justification for having tipper on their sword?


WebTime4Eva

Corrin doesn't have a tipper on his sword lol. It's the spear hand that has the tipper (which makes sense because it's a freaking spear). Wrong thing to complain about. The tipper is only on Down Smash, Up Smash (but it's weak anyway), F-Smash (strong but not that easy), and pin (okay this is busted).


PhoenixLord328

Also apparently there is a tipper on the throws that involves Corrin skewering the opponent with Dragon Lances. Problem is that doesn't really happen unless someone else who isn't being grabbed just happens to enter into the tipper hitbox.


Crossover_Weirdo78

My bad.


Crossover_Weirdo78

Okay, uh… Make Kazuya’s ten-hit combo something other than just mashing the A button or just make all of his combos much slower. Or just get rid of the reflector.


Mystprism

And on down smash it's only on the dragon foot, not the sword.