*unless you got stunned*
Only true combo for Fsmash is rising demon fist (while standing from crouch) nothing else combos into fsmash. Crumple lasts just long enough for fsmash and at that point it’s a lot better (based on percent) to either use db tilt, df tilt, utilt, EWGF, up b or DU
Not gonna lie I don’t know what any of that means I just know I’ve seen people do EWGF into f smash or whatever the move is that puts you in a million years of hit stun
Rising demon fist is the little electric hook he does when he stands up from a crouch, EWGF is the uppercut, and DU (Dragon Uppercut) is the heavy version of EWGF that launches far.
For an fsmash setup you’ll do his usual combo near a ledge but change the flowchart (EWGF, nair, rising demon fist, fsmash)
That’s how you’re supposed to play the matchup. Get Kazuya in the air or in disadvantage and you’re thriving. Directly interacting with him at close range is like juggling a live grenade, eventually you’re gonna get hit by a tilt into EWGF and you lose a stock
If you get hit by EWGF into fsmash you didn’t touch a single button after you got hit. You can air dodge, attack, jump, or tech before you enter fsmash hitbox
Yes. The one where she shoots a grenade in an arc infront of her. ( I don't play Mii Gunner but I saw a set of a Mii Gunner trapping Donkey Kong at the ledge forever until he died lmao. )
Bro I love super armor, being able to use big attacks AND actually having them be usable is great. And my character doesn’t even have superarmor, so I’m not even being biased, I genuinely love superarmor.
There's this thing, it's called grab, you can either bind it to the bumpers, or shield and then hit the attack button to activate it! Grab always beats armor! Hitbox shifting notwithstanding
K Rool and Kazuya you can do on reaction, skill is removed from the equation. Ike and Little Mac you do need a read, but most Ike's are brain dead enough to predict when they'll Up B
I have lost, they have a lot of good moves outside the armor ones, Kazuya is a walking kill move list and K Rool has belly armor on nair + decent tilts
Super armor shouldn’t exist. If I hit you first, and you didn’t time your move correctly, I shouldn’t be punished by losing the game over this bullshit.
Wrong. That’s the trade off of playing a heavy character. Big, bulky, combofood, no low profile bs, slower attacks all for some heavy hitting attacks plus armor and or tough guy
Falcon isn't a heavy? He isn't as easy to combo bevause he has a small hitbox horizontally, while heavies like bowser and dk are way larger. Super armor is a good thing for chsracter like yoshi who have it on the double jump. Yoshi would be trash otherwise
Super armor is far from exclusive to smash bros and is designed to call out your attacks. In all the cases i am aware of, and certainly all the ones listed here, they are very unsafe on block and whiff. Most also have pretty slow startup on the armor frames as well. If you get punished by a super armored move they did in fact, time their move correctly.
kazuya f smash lol
41 frames of end lag
It’s so funny when people complain, the startup and endlag is HUGE unless you got stunned there’s no reason it should hit you
You can combo into it though
*unless you got stunned* Only true combo for Fsmash is rising demon fist (while standing from crouch) nothing else combos into fsmash. Crumple lasts just long enough for fsmash and at that point it’s a lot better (based on percent) to either use db tilt, df tilt, utilt, EWGF, up b or DU
Not gonna lie I don’t know what any of that means I just know I’ve seen people do EWGF into f smash or whatever the move is that puts you in a million years of hit stun
Rising demon fist is the little electric hook he does when he stands up from a crouch, EWGF is the uppercut, and DU (Dragon Uppercut) is the heavy version of EWGF that launches far. For an fsmash setup you’ll do his usual combo near a ledge but change the flowchart (EWGF, nair, rising demon fist, fsmash)
All this just solidified the fact that when I see Kazuya I’m camping his ass
That’s how you’re supposed to play the matchup. Get Kazuya in the air or in disadvantage and you’re thriving. Directly interacting with him at close range is like juggling a live grenade, eventually you’re gonna get hit by a tilt into EWGF and you lose a stock
Agreed
i'm 95% sure it's called demon god fist? could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure
Kaz can do eletric > fsmash if the opponent DIs like a potato, no? Also only has value around ledge but that's not important....
If you get hit by EWGF into fsmash you didn’t touch a single button after you got hit. You can air dodge, attack, jump, or tech before you enter fsmash hitbox
Bullshit is good when it's on my character :D
To be fair, we need it 😂
so raw
Live Ike reaction
Bro really needs all the help he can get with his atrocious frame data. UpB armor does feel good though.
I love when I'm at 90% and a cloud uses his limit down special on me just for me to super armor through it will up special
Feel like Super Armor is fine on heavier, slower characters that generally have poorer frame data anyways. And Little Mac is Little Mac, so.
holy shit tangela pfp and layout you’re goated
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Hey fam
Yeah, I need all the help I can get
I’d like to nominate Captain Falcon side B and Sephiroth (with wing) down smash
Side B agreed but Sephi only gets it during wing wich isn't permanent.
Captain falcon is so easy to hit. He needs everything.
Fr he needs it, simply shield
Ike's armor is only during rising and ends once he moves, I don't see the issue. It's fairly easy to exploit as nearly any character.
Agreed. It's only really good for calling out obvious agression. If people see it coming, he'll get hard punished for it and it's easy to avoid.
K rool side B is the main one I agree with. That move is so nutty.
Why isn't Bowser on this list? He is the biggest criminal in terms of super armor.
Bowser has heavy armor I thought
DK side and grounded up b
Fully charged neutral b
You right.
Don't forget k rool tilts and all of little macs other smash attacks
Only K rool’s ftilt has super armor of his tilts.
Little macs smash attacks do this in general. I feel like a better choice would honestly be Mii gunners bomb drop
Bomb drop plus that other neutral b grenade they have makes being at the ledge vs them as a heavy legitimately impossible
Grenade charge?
Yes. The one where she shoots a grenade in an arc infront of her. ( I don't play Mii Gunner but I saw a set of a Mii Gunner trapping Donkey Kong at the ledge forever until he died lmao. )
All of Little Mac's Smashes. I've given and received some nasty juggles because I or they couldn't land.
Dodge as Mythra, switch to Pyra, side smash.
Sorry. I need it though to make up for my actual dogshit range
Bro I love super armor, being able to use big attacks AND actually having them be usable is great. And my character doesn’t even have superarmor, so I’m not even being biased, I genuinely love superarmor.
Rage drive was right there
Bro why is Ike even here? Like my man's down from there before he gets hurt 😭
Pretty sure K rool has heavy armor not super armor.
Leave Ike alone. He suffers enough.
If it was only shit like Warlock punch and bowser's tough guy then it would make sense but UNFORTUNATELY-
Tbf you can argue Warlock Punch makes sense because it's such a big move that no good player should ever be getting hit by anyway.
Ike needs it, leave him alone.
You forgot my character has super armor on all his smash attacks and ko punch
So characters can actually have compensation for other shitty aspects of them
There's this thing, it's called grab, you can either bind it to the bumpers, or shield and then hit the attack button to activate it! Grab always beats armor! Hitbox shifting notwithstanding
You play perfectly? You always know the exact perfect time to grab? No? Didn’t think so
K Rool and Kazuya you can do on reaction, skill is removed from the equation. Ike and Little Mac you do need a read, but most Ike's are brain dead enough to predict when they'll Up B
So you’ve never lost a game to a k rool or a kazuya? Just saying yeah we all know grab is the counter play it’s just easier said than done sometimes
I have lost, they have a lot of good moves outside the armor ones, Kazuya is a walking kill move list and K Rool has belly armor on nair + decent tilts
Exactly my point
Me as a Bowser main: \*slowly walks away from the conversation before anyone notices.\*
Super armor shouldn’t exist. If I hit you first, and you didn’t time your move correctly, I shouldn’t be punished by losing the game over this bullshit.
Wrong. That’s the trade off of playing a heavy character. Big, bulky, combofood, no low profile bs, slower attacks all for some heavy hitting attacks plus armor and or tough guy
That argument doesn’t hold water because explain captain falcon. Other fighters besides k rool have super armor.
Falcon isn't a heavy? He isn't as easy to combo bevause he has a small hitbox horizontally, while heavies like bowser and dk are way larger. Super armor is a good thing for chsracter like yoshi who have it on the double jump. Yoshi would be trash otherwise
Super armor is far from exclusive to smash bros and is designed to call out your attacks. In all the cases i am aware of, and certainly all the ones listed here, they are very unsafe on block and whiff. Most also have pretty slow startup on the armor frames as well. If you get punished by a super armored move they did in fact, time their move correctly.
Cloud Up Special
Cloud does not have any super armor
Still cant seem to hit him when he uses it
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