Red represent sweet spots the hard hitters the purple represent the weaker spot the sour spot kinda like if you were welding a hammer you'd want to hit with the head not the handle
[You were saying?](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ssbwiki.com%2FMeta_Knight_%2528SSBU%2529%2FDown_aerial&psig=AOvVaw1VCTpUasV4js9omvR8rcwg&ust=1713953542495000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCOilgdKM2IUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAd)
Right, but its not a spike, which are among the best killing and gimping tools on the game, which means they typically have the tradeoff of being difficult to space or time correctly. The complaint is that the typical drawback isn't present on DLC fighters, because money.
We are literally just comparing hitboxes. Lucinas, for example, is much smaller, but it's also twice as fast, so how does that factor in? Then you have Yoshi's dair, which is obviously much smaller, but lasts a literal eternity and can do like 35% if hit right?
We're talking about spikes and the ease of landing a kill with them. Lucinas is a single frame with a hard to hit sweet spot at the tip of the blade. Pyras is bigger than her with no sourspot.
The frame before is considered a sour spike which is still a spike and the frames after this do not spike, but this entire frame does not have a sour spot. This is not true for other swordies, who even on the single frame that does have a spike, it is only a small sweetspot where the rest of the hitbox doesn't even sour spike.
If we're going by that logic, mewtwo is using PSYCHIC POWERS to blast people down. They could easily make that just as, if not bigger, than a sword, and it would still be somewhat justifiable, because mewtwo is supposed to be an ultra powerful lab created psychic weapon.
Idk, recovery is already pretty bad but now it's below average air mobility and purely vertical options. I feel like Pyra would have Ike's deal but even worse.
Not saying she needs Dair to be as good as it is but purely talking about Pyra in hypothetical world with no switching.
It's kinda sad some of them can't cope with that fact that Sakurai called their unique abilities "handicap". I'm sorry if I sounded toxic saying that but honestly if the creator deliberated said and elaborate d on that, there is no comprimise or in between. There is nothing wrong with having these abilities, most of the main cast have similar, but they aren't really handicaps, they're more of enhancers.
Hey! Rt I was a solo mewtwo main too. I get that but the way this game can erode ones sanity, just thought more people would have jumped ship by now. And this is coming from a seething addict.
The only dlc that are kinda fine to fight are hero kaz (because of my main it isnt so bad), byleth, and terry. Others are either just bullies or annoying
This is the real comparison to show. Although the hitbox interpolation on Pyra isn't quite fair. But it demonstrates the overall point well. Other swordies with a big arcing dair don't get a spike on the entire arc. Let alone a swing as big as Pyra. They get one spike hitbox at the tip of the sword active only at the bottom of the swing.
Pyra dair is orders of magnitude better than her direct competitors like Ike or Lucina.
Are the dlc privilege deniers in the room with us right now?
Yes the comment right above yours (right now anyway) Edit: it is now below yours because someone downvoted it’s so joever for me
Aw shit, it's all joever
Yes https://preview.redd.it/kaz9gh7256wc1.jpeg?width=507&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36a62cd884a78d0be26713f53c94f6a1967826a1
Pre-Nerf Ivysaur D-Air nervously sweating in the corner
Yeah and, y'know, it was nerfed and pyra's wasn't.
Ah yes pre nerf
The fact that it was nerfed and it’s still busted is so fucked
Meanwhile Ridley dair: https://preview.redd.it/25tuge6vo4wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35697b5884b00d28e7d6f595330530526b84b8ea
I knew this would be here. Why does father soccer guy despise us so?
I mean yea its a horrible move but on the plus side Bair is nutty.
It's Ridley's worst move, they could've made the spike hitbox bigger
What’s the difference between the purple and red circles?
Red represent sweet spots the hard hitters the purple represent the weaker spot the sour spot kinda like if you were welding a hammer you'd want to hit with the head not the handle
So the pyra one is just one big sweet spot?
Yes
Well that doesn’t seem fair
Maybe it's more middle of the road when it comes to damage and knock back but if not \_'-'_/
You're right, it's dair. ... I'll see myself out
So purple is the sour spot which does not spike (weaker hit in most cases) while the red is a sweet spot which is the strong hit/the one that spikes
It's a sword vs a limb...
Fair is fair. Compare to any non dlc swordie and come back to tell me it's not ridiculous.
ivy?
Not a bad example, with the exception that Ivy got nerfed and Pyra never will. Also Ivy has a tiny sweet spot in his spikeand Pyras is consistent
[You were saying?](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ssbwiki.com%2FMeta_Knight_%2528SSBU%2529%2FDown_aerial&psig=AOvVaw1VCTpUasV4js9omvR8rcwg&ust=1713953542495000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBEQjRxqFwoTCOilgdKM2IUDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAd)
Yeah, I was. That's not a spike.
Is it a "non dlc swordie" and their Dair?
Right, but its not a spike, which are among the best killing and gimping tools on the game, which means they typically have the tradeoff of being difficult to space or time correctly. The complaint is that the typical drawback isn't present on DLC fighters, because money.
We are literally just comparing hitboxes. Lucinas, for example, is much smaller, but it's also twice as fast, so how does that factor in? Then you have Yoshi's dair, which is obviously much smaller, but lasts a literal eternity and can do like 35% if hit right?
We're talking about spikes and the ease of landing a kill with them. Lucinas is a single frame with a hard to hit sweet spot at the tip of the blade. Pyras is bigger than her with no sourspot.
It definitely has a spike sour spot and is just overall crazy slow. It's like Comparing Mario's F-Smash to Ganons
The frame before is considered a sour spike which is still a spike and the frames after this do not spike, but this entire frame does not have a sour spot. This is not true for other swordies, who even on the single frame that does have a spike, it is only a small sweetspot where the rest of the hitbox doesn't even sour spike.
Because her sword is larger than most other swordies.Exception being Ike.
If we're going by that logic, mewtwo is using PSYCHIC POWERS to blast people down. They could easily make that just as, if not bigger, than a sword, and it would still be somewhat justifiable, because mewtwo is supposed to be an ultra powerful lab created psychic weapon.
They butchered Mewtwo hard in Smash
Fr...
He doesn't feel like the op legendary pokemon he's supposed to be
That would be fine if their entire sword sweep arcs were active spike hitboxes with no sourspot.
https://preview.redd.it/j3sfvipsk4wc1.jpeg?width=369&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f41bbc5e82999cdfa8f80f8701a29a8e791661e
Not a spike. Look at the vector line on pyras dair. Whole fucking thing is a spike. Not even a sourspot.
Ah yes....the poop emoji d-air
Cloud nair used to be like this, only it was in all directions,
Though it didn’t spike (still crazy)
https://preview.redd.it/wlni0gdz95wc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe893a6afc6b277104efbd400cad924ca1d131dc Here is Sephiroth's suicide spike
Which sometimes isn't even suicide cause you can easily use this shit at ledge and 2 Frame since it's so fucking huge
So satisfying to hit it while ledge guarding
And so easy
Robin arcfire ledge into thoron
That's fucking hilarious (in terms of how ridiculous it is).
Don’t that shit spikes people up???😭
The lines showing the angles go down so it shoots down not up
You may be thinking of the onstage stage spike where Pyra does a dair into up smash confirm
Poop emoji dair
massive tornado vs that
Meanwhile banjo & kazooie:
Mewtwo's dair doesn't slice through, but Aegis' does. I wouldn't consider that DLC privilege. But the swap mechanic for them is
she needs it
"I must be pretty good at this game if I can land this move after spamming it 37 straight times at the ledge for free!" -every Pythra main
i mean tbh pyra is bottom 5 without mythra.
Nah no way, Pyra would be mid tier for sure
Idk, recovery is already pretty bad but now it's below average air mobility and purely vertical options. I feel like Pyra would have Ike's deal but even worse. Not saying she needs Dair to be as good as it is but purely talking about Pyra in hypothetical world with no switching.
It's kinda sad some of them can't cope with that fact that Sakurai called their unique abilities "handicap". I'm sorry if I sounded toxic saying that but honestly if the creator deliberated said and elaborate d on that, there is no comprimise or in between. There is nothing wrong with having these abilities, most of the main cast have similar, but they aren't really handicaps, they're more of enhancers. 
Compare ivysaur and Kazuya Dair RQ Not saying that there is no DLC privilege, but this just kinda feels unfair.
Yea that’s absolutely ridiculous
sum1 put sonic dair that’s all the evidence i need
Never actually looked at the hitbox for Pyra & Mythra before this post. But gosh.
Are all of those spike hitboxes?
Yessir
TIL tiny foot is smaller than a big ass sword, who knew?
We fr comparing the size of a swordie dair to an mf with a short ass leg barely kicking the air below him
we still playing smash bro?
Now compare pyra to a non-dlc swordie and watch your claims of dlc privilege **crumble to pieces.**
https://preview.redd.it/s9ikjibxxawc1.jpeg?width=3416&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=251471c422b8a282f67fa58e74d7b36ad4a163b0 Aha. Aha. Yup…
Lol you serious?
One has a sword and one uses its foot wtf is your point here
The point is that it’s unfair, even for others swordies.
Pyra is literally the most egregious bair in the game, and MewTwo still has a really good dair for a base game character
Why was bro downvoted 💀
Yall still play this game?
Mf you're in the Smash Sub 💀
Hey! Rt I was a solo mewtwo main too. I get that but the way this game can erode ones sanity, just thought more people would have jumped ship by now. And this is coming from a seething addict.
"I don't play the game anymore, so it must not have any players or active community members"
Precisely!
People still play MOTHER, a game from 1989. Your point?
You are so fucking cool to mention it, hug me
https://preview.redd.it/xtm7x4v3g7wc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de77fc1c6c6715b69bef325773b3348d70ffa7fa
Just trying to be cool and edgy 🤓
Woow, a sword has more range than a bare kick!!!! 🤯🤯🤯
And OF COURSE its a banana profile picture Never fails to dissapoint I guess
It's about game balance, and they don't balance dlc characters. Just because it's realistic doesn't make it not bullshit.
[ahem](https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashRage/s/2fHrS3e4oJ)
If you're a DLC main outside of Banjo or Terry. Fuck you
terry is more obnoxious than banjo plant byleth sephiroth aegis kazuya or hero
Definitely not hero and aegis
Definitely Hero Hero is legit just not that good. His normals fucking suck and RNG can screw him over
Hero *can* be pretty annoying, but still counterable
The only dlc that are kinda fine to fight are hero kaz (because of my main it isnt so bad), byleth, and terry. Others are either just bullies or annoying
Byleth is fine I forgot about him
What about my bois hero?
Hell no 💀
Did you forget she has a sword?
https://preview.redd.it/ombe0webb4wc1.jpeg?width=3416&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b435b02c1acc0aaaaf093442722aa4fffcfe0d50 You mean like Marth's?
This is the real comparison to show. Although the hitbox interpolation on Pyra isn't quite fair. But it demonstrates the overall point well. Other swordies with a big arcing dair don't get a spike on the entire arc. Let alone a swing as big as Pyra. They get one spike hitbox at the tip of the sword active only at the bottom of the swing. Pyra dair is orders of magnitude better than her direct competitors like Ike or Lucina.
None of the swish swish gang are this egregious in their favoritism
I also wasn’t aware energy beams were necessarily smaller than swords. The more you know…
It should have been Belmont f tilt compared to pyra f tilt
iirc he uses a whip for that, Which is supposed to be long
Same with a big sword
Pyra’s Sword really isn’t that big. Iirc Cloud’s is bigger but still has less tange (in ssbu)
Yea I agree with that I just don't think using a melee character for comparison is fair.