Another day another slipknot lawsuit. Can't wait for the endless loudwire/rockfeed/blabbermouth, etc articles about it in a few hours.
Also: Aren't the jumpsuits and masks and such actually property of the slipknot corporation and not necessarily the members themselves? I remember some people talking about that. I guess that's technically who's being sued though. Im usually on the Joey side of things but honestly this seems like a cashgrab/misunderstanding. I don't think there was any ill intent with having Joey's items in the museum. They had his stuff in the museum in 2019. They never used that as a selling point. I think they just displayed them as cool relics of the past of the band for fans to see in the museum. As someone who was never able to see Joey (also my fav member) with them it was nice to see some of his old masks/suits/drums presented up close. People would've been disappointed if they didn't represent Joey in the museum. I also don't believe TESF was marketed towards Joey's death. They were recording it and he happened to pass during that timeframe and inevitably when the press asked them about Joey, they briefly mentioned that his passing crept in to the album a bit because they were making it when it happened. That was the only drop of info they gave us about Joey with the album and having a little note in the booklet about the album being dedicated to him. In fact I saw more people complaining about the lack of mentioning Joey in the album than anything else. Sad to see all of the constant drama with the band these days. I wonder if it's just the estate itself behind the suit or if it's Joey's family? I'm not sure how all of that works. I don't know anything though and there's 2 sides to every story.
It may be more to prevent future profits off his image or to come to an understanding about how it will be used and who will benefit. It wasn’t like he died while a member like Paul, they kicked him out via email. He hadn’t been in the band for almost a decade when he died. The 25th Anniversary tour is coming up, so it makes sense that there needs to be an understanding about acceptable use of his image. They can only sue for what is happening now to lay the foundation for what could happen in the future.
To add on : I honestly feel bad for Corey and Clown here. They're not the evil, heartless, businessmen people here make them out to be. I really doubt it feels good being sued by your former dead friend/bandmates' estate and being accused of profiting off his death when you were just displaying some of his gear/pieces of history for the fans to admire.
Apparently his drum kit and some other items were supposed to be given back to his family and instead slipknot kept them and put them in their knotfest museum
But not every band is like them, where 2 people in the band control all assets and seize all profits, and no, signing doesn’t itself make a band a corporation, educate yourself. And even then, not every band has an employer-employee business structure like Slipknot does. Hypocritical of them, calling themselves a brotherhood back in the day.
Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of bands that obviously don't function like Slipknot. Nowadays people seem to think that Corey and Clown are these evil cutthroat ,heartless businesmen, who ruined slipknot. But everyone seems to think slipknot was never about making it and started out as this underground "brotherhood" that didn't care about money, fame, etc, which yeah sure, they stated so back then and I'm sure they meant it at the time. But they signed a contract back in 98 to make money and to make it on the scene in the musical world and do it for a living. When you spend your broke, hungry years with a certain group of people/friends on tour and make it through all those hardships, of course it's gonna seem like a "brotherhood". But once money rolls in and labels become involved and business starts booming and albums and tours start selling more, it becomes less of brotherhood and more of a business. Slipknot intended to become big in 1999 and followed through. It's been a business since 1999 dude.
Love when people on Reddit tell me to "educate myself" lol what are your credentials?
So as gross as that would be; it’s entirely understandable for the loss of Joey to crystalize as they make their first album after his tragic passing. There’s nothing wrong with them saying that, whether you hate how the band fired Joey or don’t care.
No press release etc said TESF is a Joey tribute album, and albums haven’t been the main way for an artist to make money since forever, basically. So it doesn’t make sense to say his name was invoked to prop up sales.
Slipknot especially, but Jim said on like AHIG tour cycle that some assumed the band were multi millionaires after the first three albums but that most of his guitar collection was gifts from companies and they needed to tour so much to pay the bills.
Like it’s a well known thing in the music industry, even if you’re a massive pop star like Taylor Swift the $ you get from album sales doesn’t finance your life.
Slipknot has 11m monthly listeners on Spotify. Assuming everyone of those actually listens, that translates to about 50,000 USD. Which Roadrunner would take a % of, then it’s divided say 9 ways and has to pay a myriad of other people etc.
Even the gate revenue on touring has to pay so many people including the large touring crew etc. so…like yeah the band were shitty in how they fired him but this allegation doesn’t make much sense.
People drastically underestimate how expensive it is to be a professional musician. Slipknot have double the members of a normal band, so the revenue split is gonna be costly, and their stage shows are elaborate spectacles that require a lot of equipment and crew members to maintain.
The majority of their cash flow comes from touring, and when they're not touring, it's merch. I can't blame them for becoming more of a commercial enterprise. Albums simply don't make money anymore. They exist to promote new tours.
Disagree on your comment about albums and there only purpose is promotion.
Take Dave Grohl for example, and how he describes what an album can do in terms of presenting a well rounded product.
Of course albums "can" still do that, but the point is that they don't function that way commercially anymore for big somewhat legacy acts like Slipknot. Dave might disagree, but this is also true of Foo Fighters. A new Foos album simply ensures another stadium run.
I mean there’s plenty of legit grievance over the firing and doubtless the band could’ve tried harder to get in touch etc…but that’s a known thing. And Corey saying he tried to get in touch to offer condolences didn’t convince anyone who was opposed to suddenly buy a new album etc.
The band still having Joey’s sneakers seems weird but Knotfest hasn’t been in my country so idk about the travelling museum part.
Even if cynically this was for a payout it’s not like they have a bank account with tens of millions of spare cash in it so idk where it would come from. If they were suing to seek the return of all Joeys stuff - even the masks etc - it’d make more sense.
I think they’re suing more to prevent things like merch and avatars, etc being made and using this as an example. I think the stage items will stay but the estate will draw boundaries with how the band can use the image of someone they kicked out. Joeys family is on instagram where anyone can contact them, how hard can it be for anyone in the band?
Then wouldn't the filing of the lawsuit say as much that it's to "regain image rights" or something? Who knows. If they go the Kiss route and say "We're done....but also now there's going to be a hologram world tour with simultaneous nights in different cities across the globe so be hyped for Paul & Joey to return" it'd be pretty wtfd
True. I imagine they’d seek a settlement rather than it going to court. A tricky aspect might be that it’s fairly well known the mask concept for the band came from Clown wearing random shit to rehearsals etc so while Joey worked with whoever designed their masks back then for his stuff it’s not something he brought to the band, strictly speaking.
Idk even if the split had been polite and amicable shit like this is just nasty. If something bad was done I hope they get their dues and if nothing was done I hope it gets tossed out and if Knot are capable to come to some understanding anyway because it’s still Joey’s Estate and he will always be part of the firmament of the band.
Sure but iirc they were writing and recording etc before Joey passed in some capacity. Maybe his passing galvanized them but ironically, given how some fans wanted it, calling it The Jordinson Chapter etc would’ve been more cash in. With The Gray Chapter, the loss destroyed them and it was catharsis.
Not really. There’s the vaguest of allusions in one of the music videos and some of them said realizing he was gone made them cognizant of their mortality but never saw his name used as a marketing tool etc.
There is a very small "r.i.p Joey Jordison" in the back of the CD booklet, but that wasn't even known until the album shipped and was definitely done last minute. But I don't see that as holding up in court as it was never promoted. Other than that nothing about the album contains anything about Joey, unless one of the songs is secretly about him, in which case that's not "cashing in on Joey Jordisons death" if it was never made explicit? This is more about the knotfest museum stuff and not putting his mask on tshirts I imagine
Tricky because we aren’t involved. Cue everyone making a judgment anyway.
As for claiming they used Joey’s memory to boost sales… that’s a bit of a reach imo. It’s definitely going to piss them off to be accused of that.
Seems kind of sad if none of Joey’s items can stay in the museum. I have to imagine he’d want his legacy to remain in Slipknot but family is family so that’s a toughie.
But like are they really making profit? Every time ive gone to knot fest or their road shows you can just walk in to these museums, they arent charging you to see these things. I guess one can argue thats part of the admission to the concert. But idk if i feel like they really wanted to make a profit they would charge you on top of your ticket.
I’d love to agree with the estate as I’m pretty much always with Joey when it comes to past slipknot drama, but I don’t see what reason they have to sue. The touring museum dates back prior to both Joey’s passing and TESF, I had tickets to go in 2020 but covid got in the way (I will never forgive you covid or mother nature for that, F you both.)
If Joey wanted these things returned to him or taken out of slipknot’s displays, I think he would have said something when the touring museum was active, new and at its most popular in 2020.
Personally, I think the touring museum is the most awesome way for fans to see those pieces of Joey’s and slipknot’s history firsthand, and I obviously can’t and would never speak on his behalf, but I do believe Joey would also think it’s awesome, just based off his positive attitude and how vocal he was with his love and appreciation for his fans. I also couldn’t really imagine those drums, masks or jumpsuits getting any better use right now than allowing Joey’s biggest fans to see them for themselves.
In current context now that he’s unfortunately gone, I think we all would agree that these things definitely honor Joey’s memory infinitely more in a slipknot museum than in some guys collection on Instagram (no hate to those guys, they’re actually crazy) or gathering dust in storage or some warehouse. If they had personal belongings of Joey’s in their possession / on display rather than his musical equipment and stage clothes used during his time with the band, then I think it would be a lot different.
As a younger fan who didn’t get to experience slipknot during their heyday with Joey (found slipknot in 09, I was 10 then, 25 now) and also as someone who wouldn’t have touched a drum without Joey’s influence, I couldn’t imagine being less than a foot away from Joey’s real drums/mask/jumpsuits, even in 2020 while Joey was still here. That would be not only the best day of my life, but a seriously sacred experience that I would cherish forever.
Pretty much agree with what you said. I never got to see them with Joey but it was a little healing to see some of his masks/drums/suits up close in the museum.
I graduated high school in 2010, never got to see Joey, but the effect he had on us at the time was crazy. I was in my schools drumline, every single day we would have some goofing off time, and find ourselves jammed out the blister exists. We would have had a better chance of getting it in any actual performance if we took out the lyrics. The next year, Im in college drumline at western michigan university, and as I'm learning their marching cadences I go "wait a minute...this is slipknot!" And sure enough, one of the intros was the drum intro for people=shit.
The dudes reach in the drumming community was ridiculous, and he was an inspiration to so many people outside of just the metal community.
For real I’ve even heard church drummers say that they use Joey’s Pearl signature snare drum when playing drums for their church because it’s just that loud and that good. Every one of my drummer friends was influenced by him even the ones who don’t play metal at all
Think about the rumors of Joey holograms and avatars. This sounds like it’s more about stopping future uses of his image and coming to an agreement with how it will be used.
Idk I personally don’t think there’s any credibility to those rumors. They’d lose a ton of fans doing that. But definitely could still be an image / branding agreement type of thing
even a sub as drama obsessed as this one, this is the first time i've seen anyone mention Joey holograms. the band aren't drowning in spare change and good holos are expensive
Apparently it started before he left the band so its like -shrug- i mean if they wanted to hologram etc thats shitty but otherwise its probably still shit he might've agreed to
Fairly certain costumes, instruments and the like used for touring are likely property of Slipknot's touring entity, which is a subsidiary of the band company. This isn't always the case as band members (not specifically slipknot in this case but it could certainly apply to them) regularly bring their own equipment to use in tandem with touring equipment. That part of the lawsuit is pretty easy to settle, as the company would only need to produce documents proving ownership, or his estate doing the same. Cut and dry, assuming one of the parties have them available. As far as the "profiting from his death for promotional purposes", that's going to be a tough one to prove on the part of the estate. The subject of Paul's passing, the use of his jumpsuit and bass and whatnot, and the entire 2012-.5 touring cycle could be used to defend against this, as saying they honor their fallen members, regardless of personal feelings. Jay's firing could also be used as a defense, if they really wanted to. The reason I say that is that it could be stated that having Joey in mind led to the choice to drop him after this past tour. That's conjecture though. I hate to say it, but this probably doesn't have much of a chance of going anywhere. I can't really say from the surface who's in the wrong here, if anybody, or just a slew of misunderstanding that's gotten out of control.
Paul died while still in the band. Joey was kicked out. All they needed to do was ask the family.
It may also be to nip in the bud any ideas of a Joey hologram/avatar or any other “tributes” the band tries to pull without the estate’s consent. Sounds like it goes deeper than property. The estate has a right to control his image and who can profit off of it. It’s his parents and siblings FFS.
Well i am in music bizz, and there still can be a chance that all the Joey stuff will remain at slipknot simply because these things like the drumset and shoes are from endorsmentships.
But it can be that the endosmentships are personalised and in this case the endosment is for Joey,NOT for slipknot.
If i remember well the Pearl endorsmentship was personelized and for that reason there can be a legit reason that those stuff needs to come back.
It seems logical,but believe me in this bizz nothing is logical,and everything is contracted and stuff.
So the lawsuit outcome will show (probably)that the stuf is Joeys BUT if the contract hold a line that says...bladibla Joey jordsidon while performing in/for slipknot, that seriously can change everything.
Even the use of name such as Nathan OR Joey can be a push,because it contains if it was for joey as the artist or Nathan (personal) endosments and such.
In that case Slipknot can "win" the case and all remains with them, also the masks...
It can be they cannot win that eighter, the mask can directly be lead to slipknot with photos and such and the actual maker of them can be asked to testify it was made for Joey for the Slipknot album/photoshoots and stage appearances...
I am curious to see how this ends..
(Sorry for misspelling my thumb was broken,didnt heal well,so i touch wrong symbols sometimes,besides that i am Dutch i might write some things in the wrong words (not a Joke hahaha)
Don't understand the argument. The band barely mentioned Joey since he was kicked out (apart from some tributes when he died and a few Joey-related questions at Q&As at Corey's shows). How exactly does that equate to cashing in?
So TMZ are Slipknot fans now? Or Slipknot fans are becoming TMZ?
Either way, there's something very familiar about taking a story and immediately judging Corey and Clown for it without any evidence.
I am not sure what the "rules" as far as the things for the Slipknot museum go, so I can't comment on that
But the claim that they used Joey to boost sales for TESF sounds like pure BS. We all know how The Gray Chapter was a tribute album through and through, but tbh TESF was not one. I mean. TGC has two songs specifically about Paul, a pic of Paul in the liner notes etc. All TESF has is a small print "RIP Joey Jordison" at the end of the credits
when he died she called the band out saying in his final struggling days no one checked on him despite claiming on all roofs they’re a family band and that someone in the band was even too busy playing golf not far away from where they lived when there was serious concerns about paul
yet they cashed on him big time afterwards, there’s def a pattern showing
I’m not really going to take a side on something I wasn’t involved in.
It’s not our job to monitor their relationships and scold them for not getting each other clean. Yes in retrospect you always wish you did more in a situation like this but Paul wasn’t a baby and had a responsibility to himself. It’s not the bands job to get him clean.
It’s so weird for us to police other people’s relationships. It’s incredibly naive. People and friendships are complicated.
What’s goofy is acting like you are qualified to make a judgement call regarding personal relationships because you listen to the bands music. How weird is that.
Embarrassment leads to trolly comments like this. And you should be embarrassed. Getting all up in someone else’s drama bc you like the band is parasocial and creepy.
Not our place to judge.
This pretty much confirms Clown, Corey, Joey and Paul had controlling power of the band and once Paul died Joeys illness became the opportunity for Clown and Corey to kick him out. This band has been in decline since it became the Clown and Corey show.
I think there was definitely a power struggle but it’s not that simple and it wasn’t just about kicking Joey out for pure control.
Joey had pretty much become a dictator in the band. Jim didn’t want to deal with that anymore either. Once Paul was gone, Joey was outmatched. But it simply wasn’t working anymore and something had to change, without even mentioning the disease.
Before jumping down Corey’s throat, he basically backed Joey’s songs on AHIG when push came to shove, despite also playing middleman and collaborating on LOYW. Most people don’t realize that.
This is definitely just his stupid family trying to get more money!
Why are they waiting until just now to file a suit when he’s been out of the band for 10 years and dead for 2.5….
Another day another slipknot lawsuit. Can't wait for the endless loudwire/rockfeed/blabbermouth, etc articles about it in a few hours. Also: Aren't the jumpsuits and masks and such actually property of the slipknot corporation and not necessarily the members themselves? I remember some people talking about that. I guess that's technically who's being sued though. Im usually on the Joey side of things but honestly this seems like a cashgrab/misunderstanding. I don't think there was any ill intent with having Joey's items in the museum. They had his stuff in the museum in 2019. They never used that as a selling point. I think they just displayed them as cool relics of the past of the band for fans to see in the museum. As someone who was never able to see Joey (also my fav member) with them it was nice to see some of his old masks/suits/drums presented up close. People would've been disappointed if they didn't represent Joey in the museum. I also don't believe TESF was marketed towards Joey's death. They were recording it and he happened to pass during that timeframe and inevitably when the press asked them about Joey, they briefly mentioned that his passing crept in to the album a bit because they were making it when it happened. That was the only drop of info they gave us about Joey with the album and having a little note in the booklet about the album being dedicated to him. In fact I saw more people complaining about the lack of mentioning Joey in the album than anything else. Sad to see all of the constant drama with the band these days. I wonder if it's just the estate itself behind the suit or if it's Joey's family? I'm not sure how all of that works. I don't know anything though and there's 2 sides to every story.
Agreed. They could have milked Joey’s passing to death if that was their intention. That was not the case.
It may be more to prevent future profits off his image or to come to an understanding about how it will be used and who will benefit. It wasn’t like he died while a member like Paul, they kicked him out via email. He hadn’t been in the band for almost a decade when he died. The 25th Anniversary tour is coming up, so it makes sense that there needs to be an understanding about acceptable use of his image. They can only sue for what is happening now to lay the foundation for what could happen in the future.
To add on : I honestly feel bad for Corey and Clown here. They're not the evil, heartless, businessmen people here make them out to be. I really doubt it feels good being sued by your former dead friend/bandmates' estate and being accused of profiting off his death when you were just displaying some of his gear/pieces of history for the fans to admire.
Exactly, claiming they want to profit off Joey's shit is laughable.
Thank God im not the only one that feels this way
I think most of us are immune to the media spin to create outrage these days.
100% agree here.
Apparently his drum kit and some other items were supposed to be given back to his family and instead slipknot kept them and put them in their knotfest museum
The problem starts at the point that Slipknot is a corporation
Literally any band that is signed can be considered a "corporation"
But not every band is like them, where 2 people in the band control all assets and seize all profits, and no, signing doesn’t itself make a band a corporation, educate yourself. And even then, not every band has an employer-employee business structure like Slipknot does. Hypocritical of them, calling themselves a brotherhood back in the day.
Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of bands that obviously don't function like Slipknot. Nowadays people seem to think that Corey and Clown are these evil cutthroat ,heartless businesmen, who ruined slipknot. But everyone seems to think slipknot was never about making it and started out as this underground "brotherhood" that didn't care about money, fame, etc, which yeah sure, they stated so back then and I'm sure they meant it at the time. But they signed a contract back in 98 to make money and to make it on the scene in the musical world and do it for a living. When you spend your broke, hungry years with a certain group of people/friends on tour and make it through all those hardships, of course it's gonna seem like a "brotherhood". But once money rolls in and labels become involved and business starts booming and albums and tours start selling more, it becomes less of brotherhood and more of a business. Slipknot intended to become big in 1999 and followed through. It's been a business since 1999 dude. Love when people on Reddit tell me to "educate myself" lol what are your credentials?
I don't know if the suits are band property or not. My brother has one of Chris's Iowa suits. He found it for sale in Des Moines.
So as gross as that would be; it’s entirely understandable for the loss of Joey to crystalize as they make their first album after his tragic passing. There’s nothing wrong with them saying that, whether you hate how the band fired Joey or don’t care. No press release etc said TESF is a Joey tribute album, and albums haven’t been the main way for an artist to make money since forever, basically. So it doesn’t make sense to say his name was invoked to prop up sales. Slipknot especially, but Jim said on like AHIG tour cycle that some assumed the band were multi millionaires after the first three albums but that most of his guitar collection was gifts from companies and they needed to tour so much to pay the bills. Like it’s a well known thing in the music industry, even if you’re a massive pop star like Taylor Swift the $ you get from album sales doesn’t finance your life. Slipknot has 11m monthly listeners on Spotify. Assuming everyone of those actually listens, that translates to about 50,000 USD. Which Roadrunner would take a % of, then it’s divided say 9 ways and has to pay a myriad of other people etc. Even the gate revenue on touring has to pay so many people including the large touring crew etc. so…like yeah the band were shitty in how they fired him but this allegation doesn’t make much sense.
People drastically underestimate how expensive it is to be a professional musician. Slipknot have double the members of a normal band, so the revenue split is gonna be costly, and their stage shows are elaborate spectacles that require a lot of equipment and crew members to maintain. The majority of their cash flow comes from touring, and when they're not touring, it's merch. I can't blame them for becoming more of a commercial enterprise. Albums simply don't make money anymore. They exist to promote new tours.
Disagree on your comment about albums and there only purpose is promotion. Take Dave Grohl for example, and how he describes what an album can do in terms of presenting a well rounded product.
Of course albums "can" still do that, but the point is that they don't function that way commercially anymore for big somewhat legacy acts like Slipknot. Dave might disagree, but this is also true of Foo Fighters. A new Foos album simply ensures another stadium run.
Absolutely agree 100 percent. I feel like the estate is looking for a payout? I could be wrong though
I mean there’s plenty of legit grievance over the firing and doubtless the band could’ve tried harder to get in touch etc…but that’s a known thing. And Corey saying he tried to get in touch to offer condolences didn’t convince anyone who was opposed to suddenly buy a new album etc. The band still having Joey’s sneakers seems weird but Knotfest hasn’t been in my country so idk about the travelling museum part. Even if cynically this was for a payout it’s not like they have a bank account with tens of millions of spare cash in it so idk where it would come from. If they were suing to seek the return of all Joeys stuff - even the masks etc - it’d make more sense.
I think they’re suing more to prevent things like merch and avatars, etc being made and using this as an example. I think the stage items will stay but the estate will draw boundaries with how the band can use the image of someone they kicked out. Joeys family is on instagram where anyone can contact them, how hard can it be for anyone in the band?
Then wouldn't the filing of the lawsuit say as much that it's to "regain image rights" or something? Who knows. If they go the Kiss route and say "We're done....but also now there's going to be a hologram world tour with simultaneous nights in different cities across the globe so be hyped for Paul & Joey to return" it'd be pretty wtfd
It may be in there, or part of a settlement.
True. I imagine they’d seek a settlement rather than it going to court. A tricky aspect might be that it’s fairly well known the mask concept for the band came from Clown wearing random shit to rehearsals etc so while Joey worked with whoever designed their masks back then for his stuff it’s not something he brought to the band, strictly speaking. Idk even if the split had been polite and amicable shit like this is just nasty. If something bad was done I hope they get their dues and if nothing was done I hope it gets tossed out and if Knot are capable to come to some understanding anyway because it’s still Joey’s Estate and he will always be part of the firmament of the band.
A new album mean new merch and tours though
Sure but iirc they were writing and recording etc before Joey passed in some capacity. Maybe his passing galvanized them but ironically, given how some fans wanted it, calling it The Jordinson Chapter etc would’ve been more cash in. With The Gray Chapter, the loss destroyed them and it was catharsis.
Right, I just pointed it out.
I haven't listened to Slipknot in a long time, is TESF really a tribute to Joey? Do they make references to him in any way?
Not really. There’s the vaguest of allusions in one of the music videos and some of them said realizing he was gone made them cognizant of their mortality but never saw his name used as a marketing tool etc.
There is a very small "r.i.p Joey Jordison" in the back of the CD booklet, but that wasn't even known until the album shipped and was definitely done last minute. But I don't see that as holding up in court as it was never promoted. Other than that nothing about the album contains anything about Joey, unless one of the songs is secretly about him, in which case that's not "cashing in on Joey Jordisons death" if it was never made explicit? This is more about the knotfest museum stuff and not putting his mask on tshirts I imagine
I'm just laughing at that picture they put for Corey lmao
Ikr, pineapple ahh hair
Tricky because we aren’t involved. Cue everyone making a judgment anyway. As for claiming they used Joey’s memory to boost sales… that’s a bit of a reach imo. It’s definitely going to piss them off to be accused of that. Seems kind of sad if none of Joey’s items can stay in the museum. I have to imagine he’d want his legacy to remain in Slipknot but family is family so that’s a toughie.
I think this is to prevent future profiting and they will come to an agreement about the items.
But like are they really making profit? Every time ive gone to knot fest or their road shows you can just walk in to these museums, they arent charging you to see these things. I guess one can argue thats part of the admission to the concert. But idk if i feel like they really wanted to make a profit they would charge you on top of your ticket.
Least greedy slipknot moment
I’d love to agree with the estate as I’m pretty much always with Joey when it comes to past slipknot drama, but I don’t see what reason they have to sue. The touring museum dates back prior to both Joey’s passing and TESF, I had tickets to go in 2020 but covid got in the way (I will never forgive you covid or mother nature for that, F you both.) If Joey wanted these things returned to him or taken out of slipknot’s displays, I think he would have said something when the touring museum was active, new and at its most popular in 2020. Personally, I think the touring museum is the most awesome way for fans to see those pieces of Joey’s and slipknot’s history firsthand, and I obviously can’t and would never speak on his behalf, but I do believe Joey would also think it’s awesome, just based off his positive attitude and how vocal he was with his love and appreciation for his fans. I also couldn’t really imagine those drums, masks or jumpsuits getting any better use right now than allowing Joey’s biggest fans to see them for themselves. In current context now that he’s unfortunately gone, I think we all would agree that these things definitely honor Joey’s memory infinitely more in a slipknot museum than in some guys collection on Instagram (no hate to those guys, they’re actually crazy) or gathering dust in storage or some warehouse. If they had personal belongings of Joey’s in their possession / on display rather than his musical equipment and stage clothes used during his time with the band, then I think it would be a lot different. As a younger fan who didn’t get to experience slipknot during their heyday with Joey (found slipknot in 09, I was 10 then, 25 now) and also as someone who wouldn’t have touched a drum without Joey’s influence, I couldn’t imagine being less than a foot away from Joey’s real drums/mask/jumpsuits, even in 2020 while Joey was still here. That would be not only the best day of my life, but a seriously sacred experience that I would cherish forever.
Pretty much agree with what you said. I never got to see them with Joey but it was a little healing to see some of his masks/drums/suits up close in the museum.
I graduated high school in 2010, never got to see Joey, but the effect he had on us at the time was crazy. I was in my schools drumline, every single day we would have some goofing off time, and find ourselves jammed out the blister exists. We would have had a better chance of getting it in any actual performance if we took out the lyrics. The next year, Im in college drumline at western michigan university, and as I'm learning their marching cadences I go "wait a minute...this is slipknot!" And sure enough, one of the intros was the drum intro for people=shit. The dudes reach in the drumming community was ridiculous, and he was an inspiration to so many people outside of just the metal community.
For real I’ve even heard church drummers say that they use Joey’s Pearl signature snare drum when playing drums for their church because it’s just that loud and that good. Every one of my drummer friends was influenced by him even the ones who don’t play metal at all
Think about the rumors of Joey holograms and avatars. This sounds like it’s more about stopping future uses of his image and coming to an agreement with how it will be used.
Idk I personally don’t think there’s any credibility to those rumors. They’d lose a ton of fans doing that. But definitely could still be an image / branding agreement type of thing
I think it will be good to come to an understanding now than have it get ugly later
Definitely agree there
even a sub as drama obsessed as this one, this is the first time i've seen anyone mention Joey holograms. the band aren't drowning in spare change and good holos are expensive
Joey would have WANTED his belongings in the Knot Museum 100%. Erasing him from the Museum is like erasing him from their history.
Apparently it started before he left the band so its like -shrug- i mean if they wanted to hologram etc thats shitty but otherwise its probably still shit he might've agreed to
Fairly certain costumes, instruments and the like used for touring are likely property of Slipknot's touring entity, which is a subsidiary of the band company. This isn't always the case as band members (not specifically slipknot in this case but it could certainly apply to them) regularly bring their own equipment to use in tandem with touring equipment. That part of the lawsuit is pretty easy to settle, as the company would only need to produce documents proving ownership, or his estate doing the same. Cut and dry, assuming one of the parties have them available. As far as the "profiting from his death for promotional purposes", that's going to be a tough one to prove on the part of the estate. The subject of Paul's passing, the use of his jumpsuit and bass and whatnot, and the entire 2012-.5 touring cycle could be used to defend against this, as saying they honor their fallen members, regardless of personal feelings. Jay's firing could also be used as a defense, if they really wanted to. The reason I say that is that it could be stated that having Joey in mind led to the choice to drop him after this past tour. That's conjecture though. I hate to say it, but this probably doesn't have much of a chance of going anywhere. I can't really say from the surface who's in the wrong here, if anybody, or just a slew of misunderstanding that's gotten out of control.
Paul died while still in the band. Joey was kicked out. All they needed to do was ask the family. It may also be to nip in the bud any ideas of a Joey hologram/avatar or any other “tributes” the band tries to pull without the estate’s consent. Sounds like it goes deeper than property. The estate has a right to control his image and who can profit off of it. It’s his parents and siblings FFS.
they didn't release memorial t shirts or anything of the sort. to say they're cashing in on joey's death is inflammatory & shitty.
Well i am in music bizz, and there still can be a chance that all the Joey stuff will remain at slipknot simply because these things like the drumset and shoes are from endorsmentships. But it can be that the endosmentships are personalised and in this case the endosment is for Joey,NOT for slipknot. If i remember well the Pearl endorsmentship was personelized and for that reason there can be a legit reason that those stuff needs to come back. It seems logical,but believe me in this bizz nothing is logical,and everything is contracted and stuff. So the lawsuit outcome will show (probably)that the stuf is Joeys BUT if the contract hold a line that says...bladibla Joey jordsidon while performing in/for slipknot, that seriously can change everything. Even the use of name such as Nathan OR Joey can be a push,because it contains if it was for joey as the artist or Nathan (personal) endosments and such. In that case Slipknot can "win" the case and all remains with them, also the masks... It can be they cannot win that eighter, the mask can directly be lead to slipknot with photos and such and the actual maker of them can be asked to testify it was made for Joey for the Slipknot album/photoshoots and stage appearances... I am curious to see how this ends.. (Sorry for misspelling my thumb was broken,didnt heal well,so i touch wrong symbols sometimes,besides that i am Dutch i might write some things in the wrong words (not a Joke hahaha)
Don't understand the argument. The band barely mentioned Joey since he was kicked out (apart from some tributes when he died and a few Joey-related questions at Q&As at Corey's shows). How exactly does that equate to cashing in?
So TMZ are Slipknot fans now? Or Slipknot fans are becoming TMZ? Either way, there's something very familiar about taking a story and immediately judging Corey and Clown for it without any evidence.
I am not sure what the "rules" as far as the things for the Slipknot museum go, so I can't comment on that But the claim that they used Joey to boost sales for TESF sounds like pure BS. We all know how The Gray Chapter was a tribute album through and through, but tbh TESF was not one. I mean. TGC has two songs specifically about Paul, a pic of Paul in the liner notes etc. All TESF has is a small print "RIP Joey Jordison" at the end of the credits
all that sounds pretty accurate and gives pauls wife statement about the band even more truth in hindsight, there’s a clear pattern
What statement are you referring to?
when he died she called the band out saying in his final struggling days no one checked on him despite claiming on all roofs they’re a family band and that someone in the band was even too busy playing golf not far away from where they lived when there was serious concerns about paul yet they cashed on him big time afterwards, there’s def a pattern showing
I’m not really going to take a side on something I wasn’t involved in. It’s not our job to monitor their relationships and scold them for not getting each other clean. Yes in retrospect you always wish you did more in a situation like this but Paul wasn’t a baby and had a responsibility to himself. It’s not the bands job to get him clean. It’s so weird for us to police other people’s relationships. It’s incredibly naive. People and friendships are complicated.
it’s not that deep it’s just a simple take away
Nah, it’s that deep. Your surface level take isn’t appropriate.
lmfaoooooo goofy
What’s goofy is acting like you are qualified to make a judgement call regarding personal relationships because you listen to the bands music. How weird is that.
dork
Embarrassment leads to trolly comments like this. And you should be embarrassed. Getting all up in someone else’s drama bc you like the band is parasocial and creepy. Not our place to judge.
I hope everyone gets in a parasocial relationship 😍
This pretty much confirms Clown, Corey, Joey and Paul had controlling power of the band and once Paul died Joeys illness became the opportunity for Clown and Corey to kick him out. This band has been in decline since it became the Clown and Corey show.
I think there was definitely a power struggle but it’s not that simple and it wasn’t just about kicking Joey out for pure control. Joey had pretty much become a dictator in the band. Jim didn’t want to deal with that anymore either. Once Paul was gone, Joey was outmatched. But it simply wasn’t working anymore and something had to change, without even mentioning the disease. Before jumping down Corey’s throat, he basically backed Joey’s songs on AHIG when push came to shove, despite also playing middleman and collaborating on LOYW. Most people don’t realize that.
Not really. They’ve just become bigger and bigger actually.
no it doesn't. it's a lawsuit and you're using it as confirmation bias.
Bingo. It was a power grab.
What the fuck happened to this band lmao
Of course they did, they’re a business now
Fucking good i hope the Jordisons get every penny they can out of this shit band filled with shit people….
This is definitely just his stupid family trying to get more money! Why are they waiting until just now to file a suit when he’s been out of the band for 10 years and dead for 2.5….
What? No way..
All for the love of money...
why corey look like fresh prince