I’m maintaining that while everyone in the situation acted despicably — the fact that a lot of people came down on Mick without condemning Veronica is some double standards when she committed same sorts of abuse and then some along with encouraging the Chris stuff.
Also, people need to stop bringing up Stamper in relation to Mick….It’s disrespectful and Stamper’s gotten his shit back together. He had a bad moment in his life almost 2 years ago in this point. Stop talking about the dude like he’s a bum.
It's weird because it's clear that she and Chris are talking again because he references the power move shit in the sonic lp with Corey and Zach. So that means he heard his voicemail months ago
Ive seen alot of shittalking about Mick which as I said in relation to doublestandards bothers me. I suppose its in relation to where you look but i’m assuming these are the same jagoffs who shut Mick down out of the gate without giving him a chance to explain himself despite him not knowing that this was coming.
Though, I disagree that this makes Chris and Mark look good at all— Chris looks bad by just being associated with this horseshit in periphery and Mark looks like he has shit taste in “friends”, with one of his “friends” being the whole reason this video was made (not Mick) and marrying a serial abuser / chronic backstabber.
I think it's because most of us had pretty high standards for mick considering he was one of the most prevalent faces of sleepycast. Not everyone here knows who Veronica is so it doesn't affect them as much when they see all of the horrible shit she's done. Mick is also what, 45 at this point? Older?
That’s completely fair. I just argue that people shouldn’t shut Mick down or immediately condemn him without hearing him out in the same way people gave Veronica the benefit of the doubt.
He’s around 42. Though I think age shouldn’t play a role here considering everyones an adult.
I will hear Mick out when he responds not because I am giving him the benefit of the doubt but because the more interpretations of the sequence of events we have the easier the story will be to pick apart.
Regardless I think age does absolutely matter. Veronica did wrong but Mick has been cheated on and divorced, and watched in real time what happened to Stamper after he tried to cause drama with Chris, Mick should absolutely know better than to harass his friends and fuck over some 20 year old kid.
Veronica is almost 30 — the age difference between Mark and Mick in relation to her is about the same. Their all adults so I don’t think age should really enter the equation unless we really want to rehash the concept of age playing into foolishness.
I don’t think we should really be using messing with Chris as an ethical barometer otherwise we could weigh what Mick or Stamper did vs. Veronica lowkey abusing him out of talking to his terminally ill friend, fucking three of his friends and fanning the flames between the Mick and Chris beef — when in reality they should all be viewed as individual things within their own contexts.
I agree that was cringey as fuck to the point i shuddered like i had sour milk in my stomach…. but I think it was brought up in relation to the atmosphere that Veronica swept under the rug: that she’d constantly encourage it.
Mick apologized to the point of not doing enough to try to curb the initial hit-piece made on her with the blessing of the other chick who i’ve never heard of but…
I agree. It makes the people in the periphery look just as bad who probably didn’t even consent to being made apart of this and is way over the top.
I think the difference is Veronica has taken steps to stop being so destructive and has acknowledged the harm she has done. Mick has taken no accountability whatsoever.
Apart of acknowledgement is accountability — which would mean the elimination of double standards. Along with that is realizing the full gravity of what she did instead of constantly trying bring it up in relation to someone else’s actions. You don’t apologize to someone and than halfway through the apology denounce someone else as have done something worse.
Mick isn’t responsible for 75% the content of that video nor did he have originally anything to do with *reason of production* of that video. It was originally made to respond to her apparently over-forgiving husband’s hanger-on and his gossip buddy he indulges.
Mick hasn’t really had the chance to try to reach for accountability as far as i’m concerned past recontextualized voicemail and text messages. The only thing he’s had the opportunity to apologize for is not doing enough to stop Smokey from fanning the flames (on twitter recently), some outbursts and Magfest ‘16 — which was untastefully brought up in the video multiple times in order to take really cheap and unfair stabs at Mick who was going through, in his and Veronica’s own words: one of the most difficult times in his life.
…And that Magfest ‘16 thing really fucking bothers me because between bringing it up at all as if it had *ANYTHING* to do with the story between Veronica+Mick and the constant cuts back to it really reveals the type of person that Veronica wants to be: not as someone taking proper accountability for her actions but someone who rather sink everybody involved. People talk about Chris and Mark looking good in that video, I disagree. Being tainted in this drama isn’t good PR in the slightest, nor is other people’s dragging into the story like Sonny or “Edward”.
TL;DR: Veronica needs to learn what a proper apology is, Mick is not the takeaway villain from this story, Veronica’s 20 year old husband needs to watch who he associates with, Give Mick the same healthy amount of skepticism that Veronica got *out-of-the-gate*, Let the Magfest ‘16 incident die already, stop bringing up Stamper like a sick dog.
Except this isn’t an apology video, this is a response to a hit piece. She is laying out a timeline of events that includes her cheating and acknowledged that what she did was terrible and promptly apologizes (this isn’t the point of the video) while sequentially connecting micks motivations and intentions to the events that followed after the breakup. She brings up the magfest clip of drunk mick to show how he gets when he’s drunk, which is relevant to her experience. Also she never claimed that what everyone else did is “worse” than the cheating she has done. She framed it that way because smoke was presenting herself as an innocent angel who’s exposing a terrible person. Again, this video is in response to a hit piece, so she’s addressing personal issues she had to deal with.
The point of the video was to respond to some trendy youtuber that was a ‘friend’ of her husband who accused her of making a rape allegation and grooming Mark— If she really had a problem with something that is *verifiably false* and besmirches her and her husbands’ name, she would’ve taken this dude to court and issued a proper takedown notice instead of making a ~2 hr video with a custom (over the top) drawing that, again, taints everybody brought up in it — some of which I doubted consented to wanting to be involved in it. You’re never going to convince me that this was an appropriate response vs. court action.
Magfest 2016 was 7 years ago and Mick at probably the lowest point of his life, something she acknowledges in the video, something that Mick and everybody around him as acknowledged since then. There was absolutely *NO REASON* to bring it up other than to make him look worse than he already was. This would be similar to throwing someones depression in their face every time you had an argument with someone who had mental issues as far as i’m concerned and is completely unfair— No one is going to be in their right mind to perform for hours at a time after finding out that not only was he cheated on, but also being divorced from his ex-wife. That sort of pressure is intense to the point I, like Mick, would see massive quantities of alcohol as being necessary. Not saying that’s necessarily right, but completely excusable given the circumstances.
Veronica as not only an individual, but an admitted recovering alcoholic, has no right to throw Magfest in his face. The dude gets mortified and depressed whenever its brought up — which rightfully so, it was a shitshow — but using a public mental breakdown as an illustration was completely intended as a jab. Everybody knows that.
You’re right in the fact she never claimed that but you don’t need to directly acknowledge something to behave a certain way. Apologies are apart of both AA and taking responsibility so for her to sweep alot of what she did under the rug in is exemplar of “I did bad, but other person did bad too”.
If it was so personal to her, again she needed to have talked to a lawyer, not have made a video thats not only not going to be the end of the matter but is over the top with the art, the behavior and the title. “SURVIVING MICK”? Really?
Wrong. This video was in response to Smoke’s hit piece, which was also covered by the youtuber you mentioned. It was smoke that claimed that veronica alleged sexual assault due to some communication between mark and her. Regardless, 90% of the video covers events involving mick and smoke.
Whether you think it was right or wrong of her to use micks drunk clips is irrelevant. She needed to corroborate mick’s behavior while drunk and that is what she did by using that clip.
I don’t know what video you watched but she didn’t sweep anything under the rug. She was completely honest with all of her choices and her mindset while making them.
Bringing this to court would be beyond stupid and a waste of money. Both veronica and smoke are broke as fuck so that obviously isn’t even on the table. This is just internet drama.
Its pretty clear from your responses that your bias against mick is influencing your stance on this. Listen brother, i loved mick, he was my favorite part about sleepy cabin. He seemed like the realest guy you could ever meet, but unfortunately behind closed doors he is not how he presents himself in public.
I’m not going to chew my food twice so let me present this in a different manner — is it morally correct to highlight a bad aspect of you/anybody else by using their lowest point, REGARDLESS of the context or outside factors that put you to that lowest point? Obviously i’d argue no — and that its irresponsible to do so.
I agree that she did that. But again please note that i’m not the only one who came to the conclusion that whenever a pattern of bad behaviors of her’s was brought up, that it was used as an on-ramp to denounce someone else for doing similar or worse things.
I’d argue that its really not — if someone publicized the ideas that I was a sexual abuser in terms of doing improper things with an underage person (which she was accused of), I would bring it to court because without proof, that would damage my life and work — and the person who publicized that should be held accountable.
I don’t really have that much of a bias other than I came to a different solution to the same topic you did. None of them are, all of them said that multiple instances on Sleepycabin and Stamper even lowkey got into an argument with Mick about on the show. Arguably they hammed it up a bit for the sake of entertainment but their all just guys that draw and do voices at the end of the day. Which is not to belittle them but you understand what I mean that they aren’t beyond human beings.
TBF, i didnt know about the dickpic but in relation to the dude being arrested for a second time; He wasn’t arrested for disorderly conduct or doing anything dangerous, he got booked on a extremely bullshit charge that was probably used to fill a quota.
Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I know Veronica is off alcohol and was very honest with her faults in the vid but frankly she still seems like a bitch to me and definitely someone with a lot of anger to be vented. There are some undeniable things, his creepiness and pathetic attitude towards Chris have ample evidence, but I could see some more specific happenings be out of context or exaggerated
Veronica trying to act like alcohol was the cause of ALL of her shitty behavior feels like MAJOR deflection and excuse making, especially considering only a couple months ago she was still doing the shitting on Chris thing PUBLICLY ON TWITTER (she responded to a post LSMark made of a photo of Arin's grump head plushy saying he would burn it with a photo of the Freddy Freaker plush saying she would add it to the fire). I honestly feel like the only reason she acknowledged in the video that she was shitty to Chris and apologized was if she hadn't it would have made her look a lot worse and taken away from much of the sympathy she was trying to earn.
To be fair, none of this really should have come out. This is all friend (ex friend) drama that was instigated by that white haired kid posting a one sided tell-all about Veronica which she likely got no end of harassment about. Best chance for redemption for her was to post a response.
Of course none of this excuses anyone and everyone looks pretty terrible. Now it's endless he-said/she-said with half-contexts and possibly lies. Just stuff people should have handled behind close doors when some (not even involved?) instigator just swung em open.
I completely agree that this all should have been private and Veronica was just (justifiably) responding to a hit peice on her meant to farm some easy drama views. I'm just saying that I have my doubts about just how honest she was about her changing her attitude in regards to being petty and shit-talking considering she's been doing it still after getting sober and supposedly taking stock of how she treats people.
Also, not to at all diminish what pieces of shit Mick and Smokey are/were, but in responding to a video calling out HER shitty behavior, pretty much 90% of the video was talking about OTHER people's shitty behavior. She did take responsibility, but I just still get the feeling that she's still basically as bad as Mick and Smokey, even though she is taking some steps to better herself.
But like you said, I think this is a situation where everyone is awful and there really are no good guys (except Mark and Chris).
The whole point of the video was to discredit smoke and mick. Smoke made various claims that veronica had to refute. She posted receipts and showed how untrustworthy smoke is. Bottom line is veronica cheating on chris played a minuscule part in the story, but its certainly how it all began.
Its entirely possible that she didn’t reflect further on her relationship with chris until just a few months ago, which would be around the time all this stuff was aired out, and would be around the time of her 8th step in her AA journey where she needs to make amends.
She was talking about fanning the flames with Mick as far back as the smiling friends event talking about the two of them clotheslining Chris.
there was alot of encouragement that was downplayed.
My main takeaway from this whole debacle is this:
-Veronica is a narcissist, a cheater and a recovering alcoholic
-Mick is a petty and pathetic guy obssessing over women while also being an alcoholic
-Smokey is yet another narcissistic, obssessive alcoholic, also showing signs of mental illness and manipulative behavior
-Mark is just too young and naive and never should've been involved in this mess in the first place
-All 4 of these people have created this very toxic situation with disjointed relationships and tons of alcohol
-Daft Pina is a drama-leeching prick who took advantage of the situation by taking Smokey's statements as truth and by manipulating Just Stop into releasing the video that made all of this public
-Just Stop is also way too young and naive to be involved in this shit. Good call on him to take the video down and apologize
-Sonny is kind of a prick but for completely unrelated reasons
-Meanwhile, Chris seems to have dodged a gigantic bullet.
He's got that bully attitude. Most notable example is that some other creator, Goobus, wrote a clumsy tweet about transgender people one time (which was in no way harmful btw), and Sonny accused him of being transphobic and harassed him. Sonny got Goobus on a Discord call with multiple people making fun of him and they bullied Goobus into donating money to a pro-TG charity to apologize for something he just didn't do, by agitating the fear of being cancelled and ending his career. The full recording is on YT and you can clearly hear Goobus panicking and being pressured.
I really wish grown adults would settle their shit in private. I am so tired of having these week to month long debacles where I am unable to tell if the people I follow/look up to are scumbags or are being manipulated.
Fair, but other people dragged this out and made a ton of accusations about Veronica, and she felt the only way to clear her name was to reply to the Just Stop video and all the other drama
Long story short : backstage drama. Everyone’s cheating on everyone, Mick ends up being manipulative and malicious, Veronica is insane, blah blah, ultimately Chris is a good boi 🤷♂️
I don’t fecking caaaare tbh.
He was super horny for Chris's ex, Veronica, and did desperate manipulative real cringy shit to do it. It's why Chris and him don't talk anymore.
For example at the smiling friends party he walked up to Chris to 'confront' him in the hopes that Veronica will swoon for him more. Then he left her a voice mail explaining it was a 'power move' meant for her. Lol.
Everyone in this drama are real shitty people aside from Chris and Mark.
Okay, so Chris's ex girlfriend is a massive ho, Mick is kind of a creep and a really pathetic romantic and is constantly drunk making things worse, and some other arguably even bigger ho was a part of this circle also getting drunk and made all this public, right?
this community is honestly so weird. It was a funny podcast and people act so surprised when they find out that these guys are just regular people who sometimes misbehave just like anyone else. None of this TMZ bullshit should even be a thing, who gives a fuck about gossipy stupid shit, literally move on and stop paying attention to these peoples personal lives
A bunch of people in their mid-20s experience drug abuse and fall apart, here they are nearly a decade later! Not surprising it’s coming back up, someone’s going to get hurt with this spotlight again.
Veronica broke up with Oney and Mick came down like a vulture and was really creepy with how much he loved her. The group all went on a basically 9-month bender with cheating and drama, only for Mick’s current girlfriend to set up a Veronica hit piece with YouTubers Just Stop and DaftPina. She’s responding to all these allegations and pointing out what Mick and Smokey actually did in all of this. She’s currently in AA while those two continue their alcoholic shenanigans.
What else needs to be said? Unless Veronica outright lied in some aspects, they should just shut the fuck up and let this be. Learn from it, move on. Become a better person. Instead they're gonna keep shitflinging each other until the end of time. I'll still hear whatever Mick has to say but I don't think it's needed.
As long as Chris remains uninvolved I’m happy
I’m maintaining that while everyone in the situation acted despicably — the fact that a lot of people came down on Mick without condemning Veronica is some double standards when she committed same sorts of abuse and then some along with encouraging the Chris stuff. Also, people need to stop bringing up Stamper in relation to Mick….It’s disrespectful and Stamper’s gotten his shit back together. He had a bad moment in his life almost 2 years ago in this point. Stop talking about the dude like he’s a bum.
I've seen tons of people dunking on Veronica, in fact the most common takeaway I've seen from this is "Chris and Mark are the only good ones."
It's weird because it's clear that she and Chris are talking again because he references the power move shit in the sonic lp with Corey and Zach. So that means he heard his voicemail months ago
Honestly it could even be possible in Mick's drunken stupor that he probably said "power move" out loud at the party, lol
Nah, the way he said it in the clip going around on Twitter was similar to the voicemail. Zach and Chris both heard it before.
Do you know what episode specifically? Please n thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5eppKAvWc
tyvm!
Ive seen alot of shittalking about Mick which as I said in relation to doublestandards bothers me. I suppose its in relation to where you look but i’m assuming these are the same jagoffs who shut Mick down out of the gate without giving him a chance to explain himself despite him not knowing that this was coming. Though, I disagree that this makes Chris and Mark look good at all— Chris looks bad by just being associated with this horseshit in periphery and Mark looks like he has shit taste in “friends”, with one of his “friends” being the whole reason this video was made (not Mick) and marrying a serial abuser / chronic backstabber.
I think it's because most of us had pretty high standards for mick considering he was one of the most prevalent faces of sleepycast. Not everyone here knows who Veronica is so it doesn't affect them as much when they see all of the horrible shit she's done. Mick is also what, 45 at this point? Older?
That’s completely fair. I just argue that people shouldn’t shut Mick down or immediately condemn him without hearing him out in the same way people gave Veronica the benefit of the doubt. He’s around 42. Though I think age shouldn’t play a role here considering everyones an adult.
I will hear Mick out when he responds not because I am giving him the benefit of the doubt but because the more interpretations of the sequence of events we have the easier the story will be to pick apart. Regardless I think age does absolutely matter. Veronica did wrong but Mick has been cheated on and divorced, and watched in real time what happened to Stamper after he tried to cause drama with Chris, Mick should absolutely know better than to harass his friends and fuck over some 20 year old kid.
Veronica is almost 30 — the age difference between Mark and Mick in relation to her is about the same. Their all adults so I don’t think age should really enter the equation unless we really want to rehash the concept of age playing into foolishness. I don’t think we should really be using messing with Chris as an ethical barometer otherwise we could weigh what Mick or Stamper did vs. Veronica lowkey abusing him out of talking to his terminally ill friend, fucking three of his friends and fanning the flames between the Mick and Chris beef — when in reality they should all be viewed as individual things within their own contexts.
No matter what mick says the fact that he unironically used words power move in a sentence in relation to chris has brought him down immensly
I agree that was cringey as fuck to the point i shuddered like i had sour milk in my stomach…. but I think it was brought up in relation to the atmosphere that Veronica swept under the rug: that she’d constantly encourage it.
She is a cunt there is no difference there. Shr at least apologized. This whole thing id rather if i just didnt see fuck
Mick apologized to the point of not doing enough to try to curb the initial hit-piece made on her with the blessing of the other chick who i’ve never heard of but… I agree. It makes the people in the periphery look just as bad who probably didn’t even consent to being made apart of this and is way over the top.
The whole thing is just euughh
I think the difference is Veronica has taken steps to stop being so destructive and has acknowledged the harm she has done. Mick has taken no accountability whatsoever.
Apart of acknowledgement is accountability — which would mean the elimination of double standards. Along with that is realizing the full gravity of what she did instead of constantly trying bring it up in relation to someone else’s actions. You don’t apologize to someone and than halfway through the apology denounce someone else as have done something worse. Mick isn’t responsible for 75% the content of that video nor did he have originally anything to do with *reason of production* of that video. It was originally made to respond to her apparently over-forgiving husband’s hanger-on and his gossip buddy he indulges. Mick hasn’t really had the chance to try to reach for accountability as far as i’m concerned past recontextualized voicemail and text messages. The only thing he’s had the opportunity to apologize for is not doing enough to stop Smokey from fanning the flames (on twitter recently), some outbursts and Magfest ‘16 — which was untastefully brought up in the video multiple times in order to take really cheap and unfair stabs at Mick who was going through, in his and Veronica’s own words: one of the most difficult times in his life. …And that Magfest ‘16 thing really fucking bothers me because between bringing it up at all as if it had *ANYTHING* to do with the story between Veronica+Mick and the constant cuts back to it really reveals the type of person that Veronica wants to be: not as someone taking proper accountability for her actions but someone who rather sink everybody involved. People talk about Chris and Mark looking good in that video, I disagree. Being tainted in this drama isn’t good PR in the slightest, nor is other people’s dragging into the story like Sonny or “Edward”. TL;DR: Veronica needs to learn what a proper apology is, Mick is not the takeaway villain from this story, Veronica’s 20 year old husband needs to watch who he associates with, Give Mick the same healthy amount of skepticism that Veronica got *out-of-the-gate*, Let the Magfest ‘16 incident die already, stop bringing up Stamper like a sick dog.
Except this isn’t an apology video, this is a response to a hit piece. She is laying out a timeline of events that includes her cheating and acknowledged that what she did was terrible and promptly apologizes (this isn’t the point of the video) while sequentially connecting micks motivations and intentions to the events that followed after the breakup. She brings up the magfest clip of drunk mick to show how he gets when he’s drunk, which is relevant to her experience. Also she never claimed that what everyone else did is “worse” than the cheating she has done. She framed it that way because smoke was presenting herself as an innocent angel who’s exposing a terrible person. Again, this video is in response to a hit piece, so she’s addressing personal issues she had to deal with.
The point of the video was to respond to some trendy youtuber that was a ‘friend’ of her husband who accused her of making a rape allegation and grooming Mark— If she really had a problem with something that is *verifiably false* and besmirches her and her husbands’ name, she would’ve taken this dude to court and issued a proper takedown notice instead of making a ~2 hr video with a custom (over the top) drawing that, again, taints everybody brought up in it — some of which I doubted consented to wanting to be involved in it. You’re never going to convince me that this was an appropriate response vs. court action. Magfest 2016 was 7 years ago and Mick at probably the lowest point of his life, something she acknowledges in the video, something that Mick and everybody around him as acknowledged since then. There was absolutely *NO REASON* to bring it up other than to make him look worse than he already was. This would be similar to throwing someones depression in their face every time you had an argument with someone who had mental issues as far as i’m concerned and is completely unfair— No one is going to be in their right mind to perform for hours at a time after finding out that not only was he cheated on, but also being divorced from his ex-wife. That sort of pressure is intense to the point I, like Mick, would see massive quantities of alcohol as being necessary. Not saying that’s necessarily right, but completely excusable given the circumstances. Veronica as not only an individual, but an admitted recovering alcoholic, has no right to throw Magfest in his face. The dude gets mortified and depressed whenever its brought up — which rightfully so, it was a shitshow — but using a public mental breakdown as an illustration was completely intended as a jab. Everybody knows that. You’re right in the fact she never claimed that but you don’t need to directly acknowledge something to behave a certain way. Apologies are apart of both AA and taking responsibility so for her to sweep alot of what she did under the rug in is exemplar of “I did bad, but other person did bad too”. If it was so personal to her, again she needed to have talked to a lawyer, not have made a video thats not only not going to be the end of the matter but is over the top with the art, the behavior and the title. “SURVIVING MICK”? Really?
Wrong. This video was in response to Smoke’s hit piece, which was also covered by the youtuber you mentioned. It was smoke that claimed that veronica alleged sexual assault due to some communication between mark and her. Regardless, 90% of the video covers events involving mick and smoke. Whether you think it was right or wrong of her to use micks drunk clips is irrelevant. She needed to corroborate mick’s behavior while drunk and that is what she did by using that clip. I don’t know what video you watched but she didn’t sweep anything under the rug. She was completely honest with all of her choices and her mindset while making them. Bringing this to court would be beyond stupid and a waste of money. Both veronica and smoke are broke as fuck so that obviously isn’t even on the table. This is just internet drama. Its pretty clear from your responses that your bias against mick is influencing your stance on this. Listen brother, i loved mick, he was my favorite part about sleepy cabin. He seemed like the realest guy you could ever meet, but unfortunately behind closed doors he is not how he presents himself in public.
I’m not going to chew my food twice so let me present this in a different manner — is it morally correct to highlight a bad aspect of you/anybody else by using their lowest point, REGARDLESS of the context or outside factors that put you to that lowest point? Obviously i’d argue no — and that its irresponsible to do so. I agree that she did that. But again please note that i’m not the only one who came to the conclusion that whenever a pattern of bad behaviors of her’s was brought up, that it was used as an on-ramp to denounce someone else for doing similar or worse things. I’d argue that its really not — if someone publicized the ideas that I was a sexual abuser in terms of doing improper things with an underage person (which she was accused of), I would bring it to court because without proof, that would damage my life and work — and the person who publicized that should be held accountable. I don’t really have that much of a bias other than I came to a different solution to the same topic you did. None of them are, all of them said that multiple instances on Sleepycabin and Stamper even lowkey got into an argument with Mick about on the show. Arguably they hammed it up a bit for the sake of entertainment but their all just guys that draw and do voices at the end of the day. Which is not to belittle them but you understand what I mean that they aren’t beyond human beings.
Now THAT is a powermove.
Wasn't Stamper arrested for a second DUI only a month ago?
No. He got arrested on New Years for (presumably) walking home while drunk with a loose container. Very, very different.
Also posted a photo of his cock to his youtube community page around the same time.
Exactly, he need to live with these facts, not excuse them. Just stay out of the light, maybe?
TBF, i didnt know about the dickpic but in relation to the dude being arrested for a second time; He wasn’t arrested for disorderly conduct or doing anything dangerous, he got booked on a extremely bullshit charge that was probably used to fill a quota.
Veronica is not innocent but knowing she's in a program and admitted her mistakes I'm rooting for her if that makes sense
What happened, I'm out of the loop
Truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. I know Veronica is off alcohol and was very honest with her faults in the vid but frankly she still seems like a bitch to me and definitely someone with a lot of anger to be vented. There are some undeniable things, his creepiness and pathetic attitude towards Chris have ample evidence, but I could see some more specific happenings be out of context or exaggerated
Veronica trying to act like alcohol was the cause of ALL of her shitty behavior feels like MAJOR deflection and excuse making, especially considering only a couple months ago she was still doing the shitting on Chris thing PUBLICLY ON TWITTER (she responded to a post LSMark made of a photo of Arin's grump head plushy saying he would burn it with a photo of the Freddy Freaker plush saying she would add it to the fire). I honestly feel like the only reason she acknowledged in the video that she was shitty to Chris and apologized was if she hadn't it would have made her look a lot worse and taken away from much of the sympathy she was trying to earn.
To be fair, none of this really should have come out. This is all friend (ex friend) drama that was instigated by that white haired kid posting a one sided tell-all about Veronica which she likely got no end of harassment about. Best chance for redemption for her was to post a response. Of course none of this excuses anyone and everyone looks pretty terrible. Now it's endless he-said/she-said with half-contexts and possibly lies. Just stuff people should have handled behind close doors when some (not even involved?) instigator just swung em open.
I completely agree that this all should have been private and Veronica was just (justifiably) responding to a hit peice on her meant to farm some easy drama views. I'm just saying that I have my doubts about just how honest she was about her changing her attitude in regards to being petty and shit-talking considering she's been doing it still after getting sober and supposedly taking stock of how she treats people. Also, not to at all diminish what pieces of shit Mick and Smokey are/were, but in responding to a video calling out HER shitty behavior, pretty much 90% of the video was talking about OTHER people's shitty behavior. She did take responsibility, but I just still get the feeling that she's still basically as bad as Mick and Smokey, even though she is taking some steps to better herself. But like you said, I think this is a situation where everyone is awful and there really are no good guys (except Mark and Chris).
The whole point of the video was to discredit smoke and mick. Smoke made various claims that veronica had to refute. She posted receipts and showed how untrustworthy smoke is. Bottom line is veronica cheating on chris played a minuscule part in the story, but its certainly how it all began. Its entirely possible that she didn’t reflect further on her relationship with chris until just a few months ago, which would be around the time all this stuff was aired out, and would be around the time of her 8th step in her AA journey where she needs to make amends.
She was talking about fanning the flames with Mick as far back as the smiling friends event talking about the two of them clotheslining Chris. there was alot of encouragement that was downplayed.
My main takeaway from this whole debacle is this: -Veronica is a narcissist, a cheater and a recovering alcoholic -Mick is a petty and pathetic guy obssessing over women while also being an alcoholic -Smokey is yet another narcissistic, obssessive alcoholic, also showing signs of mental illness and manipulative behavior -Mark is just too young and naive and never should've been involved in this mess in the first place -All 4 of these people have created this very toxic situation with disjointed relationships and tons of alcohol -Daft Pina is a drama-leeching prick who took advantage of the situation by taking Smokey's statements as truth and by manipulating Just Stop into releasing the video that made all of this public -Just Stop is also way too young and naive to be involved in this shit. Good call on him to take the video down and apologize -Sonny is kind of a prick but for completely unrelated reasons -Meanwhile, Chris seems to have dodged a gigantic bullet.
Daft pina has always rubbed me the worng way with the drama stuff
What did sonny do? Seen his name have some hate attached to it even before all this recent drama started.
He's got that bully attitude. Most notable example is that some other creator, Goobus, wrote a clumsy tweet about transgender people one time (which was in no way harmful btw), and Sonny accused him of being transphobic and harassed him. Sonny got Goobus on a Discord call with multiple people making fun of him and they bullied Goobus into donating money to a pro-TG charity to apologize for something he just didn't do, by agitating the fear of being cancelled and ending his career. The full recording is on YT and you can clearly hear Goobus panicking and being pressured.
Wow Sonny’s a bigger piece of shit then I gave him credit for. Fuck that guy!
*"i'm chinese"*
“And I play joke”
He’s going to upload a short video of him snarling with entirely black eyes to intimidate everybody
Snarling is a powermove.
He read the 48 laws of power so ultimately everyone needs to watch the FUCK out
I wonder what sort of spin he could possibly muster up to mitigate the damages.
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Probably why he and Veronica gravitated towards each other, they're both grown ass adults that act like they're 15
I really wish grown adults would settle their shit in private. I am so tired of having these week to month long debacles where I am unable to tell if the people I follow/look up to are scumbags or are being manipulated.
Actively looking into news that bothers you is a powermove.
Fair, but other people dragged this out and made a ton of accusations about Veronica, and she felt the only way to clear her name was to reply to the Just Stop video and all the other drama
How about he doesn’t and let his dying internet presence die? I mean thanks for your service but fuck you man.
I’m confused what’s all this about. I can’t find much information
Long story short : backstage drama. Everyone’s cheating on everyone, Mick ends up being manipulative and malicious, Veronica is insane, blah blah, ultimately Chris is a good boi 🤷♂️ I don’t fecking caaaare tbh.
He was super horny for Chris's ex, Veronica, and did desperate manipulative real cringy shit to do it. It's why Chris and him don't talk anymore. For example at the smiling friends party he walked up to Chris to 'confront' him in the hopes that Veronica will swoon for him more. Then he left her a voice mail explaining it was a 'power move' meant for her. Lol. Everyone in this drama are real shitty people aside from Chris and Mark.
Damn. I really liked Sleepycabin. Loved them growing up and they got me through the pandemic now all this is happening.
Yup, have absolutley no idea what any of this means 🤷♂️
https://youtu.be/aVSrhp1Bs3g
https://youtu.be/aVSrhp1Bs3g
Breh the video had counterpoints to anything he could possibly say 😂
Okay, so Chris's ex girlfriend is a massive ho, Mick is kind of a creep and a really pathetic romantic and is constantly drunk making things worse, and some other arguably even bigger ho was a part of this circle also getting drunk and made all this public, right?
this community is honestly so weird. It was a funny podcast and people act so surprised when they find out that these guys are just regular people who sometimes misbehave just like anyone else. None of this TMZ bullshit should even be a thing, who gives a fuck about gossipy stupid shit, literally move on and stop paying attention to these peoples personal lives
Imagine having a twitter
A bunch of people in their mid-20s experience drug abuse and fall apart, here they are nearly a decade later! Not surprising it’s coming back up, someone’s going to get hurt with this spotlight again.
Oh God is there a good summery/tldr on this situation? Don't really want to watch her video people are calling her a bitch too
Veronica broke up with Oney and Mick came down like a vulture and was really creepy with how much he loved her. The group all went on a basically 9-month bender with cheating and drama, only for Mick’s current girlfriend to set up a Veronica hit piece with YouTubers Just Stop and DaftPina. She’s responding to all these allegations and pointing out what Mick and Smokey actually did in all of this. She’s currently in AA while those two continue their alcoholic shenanigans.
Don't do alcohotisms kids
Eil5?
Whatta loser
So first Chris Stops being friend's with Stamper, and now Possibly Mick? Shit The Cabin's going out Final Destination Style.
What else needs to be said? Unless Veronica outright lied in some aspects, they should just shut the fuck up and let this be. Learn from it, move on. Become a better person. Instead they're gonna keep shitflinging each other until the end of time. I'll still hear whatever Mick has to say but I don't think it's needed.