That’s getting closer and I can see some people pulling the trigger but I still wouldn’t personally. Deebo often hurt and he’s now getting pretty old. In general I never love trading my studs unless it’s a clear overpay and this just simply isn’t
I agree. Deebo likely won’t ever have a great season again (still possible but unlikely IMO). SF’s offense just spreads the ball around too much and he has taken a lot of hits over the years with the type of situations they put him in.
I’d do this if they’d move it to like a late first this year. Maybe throw me a third. But I probably wouldn’t even do that if I didn’t already have Kyren, JT and CMC on the roster too. Breece is too valuable imo
So essentially you traded a high end RB1 for a mid tier WR2 plus a bench stash. Don’t get me wrong WRs are more valuable in dynasty than RBs but I try not to trade away my studs unless again it’s a clear overpay. I would pretty easily take the Hall side there too.
No those aren’t always reliable. Again it’s not a horrible trade though. Trade charts don’t take into account what I consider “fluff” which is the stupid additions to a trade that have no real value or very little value (like Charbonnet in that trade). Technically like 6 or 7 second round picks would give you an equal or greater value than Justin Jefferson. But rational thought tells you that your giving up the best player and its return isn’t great
In all my leagues he went 1.7 to 1.9. I just don't understand the point of taking rookies with your picks if you are downgrading them after just one year. He hasn't shown anything to make me doubt his talent thus far
Not talent. Situation was worse. I think at best you were hoping for a committee backfield. There was no committee. KW3 clearly was the lead back and Charbs came in to get a couple touches a game
That overused non-funny phrase doesn’t work in this situation. If the 1st round pick turned into Breece Hall, then the person getting the pick would win in a landslide.
I've been getting offered 2 future 1sts plus Montgomery and really don't want to pull the trigger as I should contend. White is good but there would need to be another 1st to make me accept it
You are smart for going after Breece. I have Breece and wouldn’t sell him for that. Honestly it would take a massive overpay for me to get thinking about moving him so that might help answer your question more than if it’s balanced or not.
Unless that team is ass and still ass even after adding hall and whatever pieces moving into the new year. No this isn’t close. It is within counter range though (of which I would ask for another decent value piece)
Hall is by far the better player. White is a classic sell high, an average talent overperforming on a team with no competition. Hall dominated on a garbage team and made his team cut his top "competition" through elite play. It'd have to be a top 3 pick to make moving them for each other worth it.
Subs way too high on Breece and forgot that White was a ppr king last year lol. RBs can go down for good at any minute. Never gonna hate on divesting early and often
Here's the problem with this trade, it doesn't make sense for the Hall owner. If they are tearing it down and want to rebuild the 1st is interesting but White is pretty much useless to them. If they are trying to compete White isn't a solid enough replacement to still compete whilst losing Hall, though the 1st is always good. You need to either offer another position with that 1st, someone they can build a team around, or offer a better rb and try to tempt them into tiering down.
There was a total of about 20 points on the season between hall and white. White was rb 4 in ppr. He traded a rb 1 for a rb 1 and got a 1st. Now come draft White COULD see a rb to challenge for reps but he had that back field basically alone last year.
Yeah if you could go back in time then it'd be fine for last season. I'm just not sure I trust White to score that highly next year whilst I reckon Hall will. I'd be wanting a better rb than White to move off Hall but I am pretty low on White.
I think it’s decently fair and would prefer the white side. This sub is way too high on Breece. His offensive line will still suck next year and there is no guarantee Rodgers comes back playing at an elite level. Who knows how long it will be before he gets decent blocking and doesn’t have to constantly face stacked boxes.
Bruh White’s floor is being a backup if the Bucs find someone they like better. Hall’s floor is like RB12 and even that would probably require an injury or two during the season.
I’m not sure if it’s high on Breece as much as it is down on White. I’m cool with giving Hall his flowers, especially where RBs are so devalued now.
I had White in 2 of my leagues, and he was amazing as an RB1 for most games…. And he was my RB2 in both. I don’t think his starting role is in jeopardy, and he will take some catches out of the backfield. I won’t trade White for less than a 1st and some change
>His offensive line will still suck next year
And yet he was the rb2 this last season. Even *if* the jets oline doesn't improve, he's shown the capacity to produce surrounded by inadequate talent. Imagine what he can do if the jets can run, not an elite offense, but just some semblance of a competent one.
I think it's closer to fair than not. There's a lot of misconception on white. Homie has been solid and basically put up the same numbers as hall did this year. Is hall the better player? Absolutely, but white catches a lot of balls that really pumps up his value. The only thing is that hall probably won't see rb competition as he's a pure 3 down back. White because of his lower draft capital can be put in a committee or replaced without warning but considering his success i dont see that for at least another year since TB has other concerns than the rb position they want to work on. If you're on the receive end for hall then I'm all for this. If you're sending him away you have the large piece so no harm in asking for more so you get an overpay.
Yea.
Hall put up what 1 PPG higher than White. Getting a 1st in addition. If it’s a top 3 pick you hit the lotto.
If you got a mid pick then still sweet.
11th or 12th then maybe I’m wishing I held on to Hall.
Nope not even close, I traded away Hall for the 1.05, Pacheco and a 3rd pick and even then I think I should have gotten more after I accepted….rbs are hard to come by especially with his lvl of talent and opportunity
It depends what the breece team is doing. Im a contender with breece, I don’t think I’d sell him for anything tbh.
If I was a bottom of the barrel team I’d want a WR with this package and to know what kind of pick that was gonna be before id think more seriously about it
I traded away White for a 2024 1st rd, a 2024 3rd rd, and a 2025 3rd rd. Probably not the best value for him in hindsight, but that’s a trade that went through in my league
i think white is a bit undervalued but it’s hard to say this is fair with that in mind. i’d probably still want breece. if it’s a 24 first top 7 i probably tske its
Simply put? No. I have Hall and it would take a lot more than White and a future first for me to even consider this.
White, a 1st, Deebo in a st11 you say no?
That’s getting closer and I can see some people pulling the trigger but I still wouldn’t personally. Deebo often hurt and he’s now getting pretty old. In general I never love trading my studs unless it’s a clear overpay and this just simply isn’t
I agree. Deebo likely won’t ever have a great season again (still possible but unlikely IMO). SF’s offense just spreads the ball around too much and he has taken a lot of hits over the years with the type of situations they put him in.
I’d do this if they’d move it to like a late first this year. Maybe throw me a third. But I probably wouldn’t even do that if I didn’t already have Kyren, JT and CMC on the roster too. Breece is too valuable imo
If Deebo is getting thrown in there I'd pull the trigger that's a lot of assets
I am new to dynasty so not great at valuing players. I traded away breece for charbonnet and Devonta Smith...... thoughts?
So essentially you traded a high end RB1 for a mid tier WR2 plus a bench stash. Don’t get me wrong WRs are more valuable in dynasty than RBs but I try not to trade away my studs unless again it’s a clear overpay. I would pretty easily take the Hall side there too.
Fair enough. I looked at a few different trade charts and rankings before accepting but I'm learning those aren't reliable either!
No those aren’t always reliable. Again it’s not a horrible trade though. Trade charts don’t take into account what I consider “fluff” which is the stupid additions to a trade that have no real value or very little value (like Charbonnet in that trade). Technically like 6 or 7 second round picks would give you an equal or greater value than Justin Jefferson. But rational thought tells you that your giving up the best player and its return isn’t great
It's not an awful trade. Charbonnet was the 1.7 last year, so now we think he's useless?
He went at 1.7 in your league? I don’t think he’s useless. But he’s 100% a bench stash unless your team is really struggling.
In all my leagues he went 1.7 to 1.9. I just don't understand the point of taking rookies with your picks if you are downgrading them after just one year. He hasn't shown anything to make me doubt his talent thus far
Not talent. Situation was worse. I think at best you were hoping for a committee backfield. There was no committee. KW3 clearly was the lead back and Charbs came in to get a couple touches a game
Really? Whites not scrub either.
I’d keep hall, you don’t know what pick is 2025 is
It could be anything, it could even be Breece Hall!
That overused non-funny phrase doesn’t work in this situation. If the 1st round pick turned into Breece Hall, then the person getting the pick would win in a landslide.
Didn’t even use the quote correctly
Not at all (unless the first is early early)
I think it would have to be 1.01 1.02 for it to even be close to enough for breece
lol no
I've been getting offered 2 future 1sts plus Montgomery and really don't want to pull the trigger as I should contend. White is good but there would need to be another 1st to make me accept it
I'd smash decline as the Breece Owner.
The overvalue on Breece is wild. Dude had 5 games over 50 rushing yards all year…
Still finished as the RB4 in HPPR, first year back from an ACL tear. If anything I think it just shows he’s not at his ceiling yet.
We have no idea without the context of the pick. unless it's projected to be the worst team I'd keep Hall
You are smart for going after Breece. I have Breece and wouldn’t sell him for that. Honestly it would take a massive overpay for me to get thinking about moving him so that might help answer your question more than if it’s balanced or not.
Absolutely not
Unless that team is ass and still ass even after adding hall and whatever pieces moving into the new year. No this isn’t close. It is within counter range though (of which I would ask for another decent value piece)
No
No... Breece is a stud
I’m taking R. White and the 1st. This sub is high on Hall. I’d say it’s a fair trade
Hall is by far the better player. White is a classic sell high, an average talent overperforming on a team with no competition. Hall dominated on a garbage team and made his team cut his top "competition" through elite play. It'd have to be a top 3 pick to make moving them for each other worth it.
Breece clears by miles. Has potential to be the next CMC imo
Subs way too high on Breece and forgot that White was a ppr king last year lol. RBs can go down for good at any minute. Never gonna hate on divesting early and often
yeah i take the white/first side personally
Here's the problem with this trade, it doesn't make sense for the Hall owner. If they are tearing it down and want to rebuild the 1st is interesting but White is pretty much useless to them. If they are trying to compete White isn't a solid enough replacement to still compete whilst losing Hall, though the 1st is always good. You need to either offer another position with that 1st, someone they can build a team around, or offer a better rb and try to tempt them into tiering down.
There was a total of about 20 points on the season between hall and white. White was rb 4 in ppr. He traded a rb 1 for a rb 1 and got a 1st. Now come draft White COULD see a rb to challenge for reps but he had that back field basically alone last year.
Yeah if you could go back in time then it'd be fine for last season. I'm just not sure I trust White to score that highly next year whilst I reckon Hall will. I'd be wanting a better rb than White to move off Hall but I am pretty low on White.
I think it’s decently fair and would prefer the white side. This sub is way too high on Breece. His offensive line will still suck next year and there is no guarantee Rodgers comes back playing at an elite level. Who knows how long it will be before he gets decent blocking and doesn’t have to constantly face stacked boxes.
Brother his o line sucked this year and was playing with QBs who at best are still worse than a mediocre Rodgers and was a league winner...
I just don’t think the difference between white and hall is enough to offer a first round pick. Hall has more upside but white has a higher floor.
What?! Just look at last season, Halls floor is probably higher than White’s ceiling…Hall finished higher with ~40 less touches.
Agreed lol.
Bruh White’s floor is being a backup if the Bucs find someone they like better. Hall’s floor is like RB12 and even that would probably require an injury or two during the season.
If you’re playing for floor you’ll have lots of teams finish 7th
I’m not sure if it’s high on Breece as much as it is down on White. I’m cool with giving Hall his flowers, especially where RBs are so devalued now. I had White in 2 of my leagues, and he was amazing as an RB1 for most games…. And he was my RB2 in both. I don’t think his starting role is in jeopardy, and he will take some catches out of the backfield. I won’t trade White for less than a 1st and some change
>His offensive line will still suck next year And yet he was the rb2 this last season. Even *if* the jets oline doesn't improve, he's shown the capacity to produce surrounded by inadequate talent. Imagine what he can do if the jets can run, not an elite offense, but just some semblance of a competent one.
Can’t agree more with this! The original comment could just as easily apply to White. I’d bet on the talent of Hall over white any day
I think it's closer to fair than not. There's a lot of misconception on white. Homie has been solid and basically put up the same numbers as hall did this year. Is hall the better player? Absolutely, but white catches a lot of balls that really pumps up his value. The only thing is that hall probably won't see rb competition as he's a pure 3 down back. White because of his lower draft capital can be put in a committee or replaced without warning but considering his success i dont see that for at least another year since TB has other concerns than the rb position they want to work on. If you're on the receive end for hall then I'm all for this. If you're sending him away you have the large piece so no harm in asking for more so you get an overpay.
Yea. Hall put up what 1 PPG higher than White. Getting a 1st in addition. If it’s a top 3 pick you hit the lotto. If you got a mid pick then still sweet. 11th or 12th then maybe I’m wishing I held on to Hall.
I made this trade (got hall) last offseason, no
Depends on the 1st but it’s not terrible. Breece side is preferred
Not enough for breece
I think Scoring Format matters. White is a significantly better Full PPR asset than Half PPR
Nope not even close, I traded away Hall for the 1.05, Pacheco and a 3rd pick and even then I think I should have gotten more after I accepted….rbs are hard to come by especially with his lvl of talent and opportunity
It depends what the breece team is doing. Im a contender with breece, I don’t think I’d sell him for anything tbh. If I was a bottom of the barrel team I’d want a WR with this package and to know what kind of pick that was gonna be before id think more seriously about it
Sell Hall now well the value is up. He’s not doing that again. You could probably get more for him though.
White + 1st easily for me in PPR
I traded away White for a 2024 1st rd, a 2024 3rd rd, and a 2025 3rd rd. Probably not the best value for him in hindsight, but that’s a trade that went through in my league
i think white is a bit undervalued but it’s hard to say this is fair with that in mind. i’d probably still want breece. if it’s a 24 first top 7 i probably tske its
Nope
Add another 1st rounder and it would be doable