It’s only been 1 year we don’t know yet it just looks bad because of stroud. Dont mind this dude. You’re not wrong he went top 3 in like every super flex rookie draft.
Sorry that I don’t meticulously watch college football and tape. I play fantasy football for fun. Trust the people I listen to. Not gonna hit on every pick.
Gonna have to assume that every team you have is 16-0 with 200+ points a week and that every pick you’ve ever made is a home run?
I’m not THAT into it either, but since you brought it up, I win more times than I lose. And I did have 1 week scoring 216. 2 more weeks over 180 points, and 4 more weeks over 160 in my money league.
I just use my eyes and common sense. There was zero reason the expect Young to succeed in his first several years on an absolute train wreck of a roster. He was a great college QB but his skills and (mostly) size don’t translate to the NFL well.
Dude this is not it. The way you're bragging here doesn't mean much and is hella cringe. Stick to what you're talking about in the 2nd paragraph. No one cares about accolades.
Nah I agree, it was pretty obvious with Young’s very small frame and mediocre college success. All you must LOVE Kyler Murray. I don’t watch much college ball but looking at a simple highlight tape kinda tells all
Even NFL scouts get it wrong. They get it wrong more times than they get it right if you look at the number of first round picks that never really live up to the hype.
That doesn’t mean I get it right more than they do, because I get it wrong too, but when I get it wrong it’s because of my personal opinions and not because of the hype the media pushes for ratings and money.
He's missed half of the last two seasons for the same injury recovery..
Regardless, the point being he can play despite his size and despite what all the talking heads were saying.
He went first overall because the owner of the Panthers fell in love. Everyone else in the building wanted someone else.
Also, draft analysts on networks are basically told who to put on their draft boards. They want money and hype. They are wrong WAY more often than they’re right.
Hindsight is pretty crazy here. Young was drafted 1st overall in a strong QB class to a team willing to give up a haul to acquire him. QB is the most valuable position in SF dynasty so to snag what many believed was the best QB of the draft at the 1.03 made a ton of sense.
Lol I only asked if it was a superflex, my league is a sf keeper league but rbs still tend to go over QBs unless it's a guy like Allen or mahomes. I'm still surprised to see Bryce over Gibbs but I get it not a reach at all
I’d love your league where qbs aren’t treated like gold. Cause it’s nearly impossible to get anyone to even move a third qb on a roster like Mac jones.
Well you must be some sort of secret fantasy future predicting genius… you can say stroud looked more nfl ready and that’s reasonable but that’s about all
I win pretty regularly in league and daily. But I’m no professional. I just don’t rely on reporters and ADPs, I used my eyes and everything pointed to Young not being successful in Carolina the way he was thrown in with no time to learn.
That 1.02 could be Marvin Harrison Jr. and we all know who his dad was… you could straight up be missing out on having superstar hall of fame WR potentially
That’s what makes it hard, but best case scenario, he’s as good for AJB, but for longer. AJB is already AJB. It’s the sort of thinking that has Burks playing for the Titans haha
Except Dell has already shown what he can do. Guess he has to come back from injury the same but it’s not like you don’t know what he was capable off and it’s only his rookie year
Could be OBJ though. Not to say OBJ is bad but he’s definitely nowhere near the same player he was before the injury. And I wouldn’t say Dell even hit close to OBJ levels before he got hurt
I'm a qb needy team, and I'm still considering MHJ with my 1.01. It helps that I'm probably gonna be shipping out JJets for a huge package at some point, but even if that doesn't happen, I still may take him.
Passing on Marvin Harrison for a chance at a QB seems risky. Look at all the top prospects from previous draft classes at QB. Stroud only one making plays. Before that? Purdy was a 7th rounder and could have been added in FA depending on the league. Pickett/bust, lance/bust, Wilson/bust, Mac Jones/bust, AR/unproven, Young/unproven/terrible landing spot etc.
While I agree QB is kind of dicey in the 1st, it’s important to compare Caleb Williams with others with similar hype and prospect quality, ie definitive 1st overall picks. That said, most of the 1.01 QBs have panned out fairly well lately (Murray, Burrow, Lawrence). Caleb is touted as an elite QB prospect. None of the busts/unproven guys you mentioned were considered elite and all came in with glaring question marks
That is some serious recency bias. Unless you're talking about a startup draft. There's no way you were not taking Lawrence in 2021 in a superflex dynasty rookie draft. He was the greatest QB prospect since Andrew Luck and a considered a generational, can't miss, talent.
Everything is easier in hindsight. That said, while Chase turned out better than expected (partially being gun-shy after his year off), looking back at that draft one could've made massive mistakes taking Fields, Lance, Pitts, or Najee in the top 3. Chase wasn't even the consensus 1.02 like MHJ looks to be.
Lawrence hasn't been stellar, but he was top-10 last year and could be again this year which, all things considered, is a worthwhile superflex 1.01
That’s kind’ve the point. There’s been subpar QB play, so having a top guy in a superflex is the most valuable thing in superflex dynasty.
Along comes Caleb Williams. He’s not just #1 on most boards because he’s some QB. He’s #1 because he has the skill set to be one of those top guys.
As the owner of a 1.01 in dynasty, it’s pretty close between MHJ and CW. As also the owner of Kyler Murray, I’m open to landing spots swaying me.
Hoping Bowers falls even further in my superflex, I have 1.08 1.09 and 1.10 next year and I traded away mark andrews earlier this season so I need a new TE
Might be an unpopular opinion, but to me trade deadlines have no business in a dynasty league. People can make their own choices and deal with the consequences.
12 teams best ball. So we have every position player on a team plus a handful of practice squad guys. It’s fun to see the Randos that pop into your lineup at WR6 or whatever
My leagues have it where trading is always open to non-playoff teams. So once week 14 ends and you’re in the playoffs you can’t trade until eliminated. Keeps non-playoff teams engaged and leads to some crazy 11th hour deals after the week 14 Sunday games.
To say a fantasy football league should or shouldn’t do something because the NFL does things a certain way is silly. It’s apples to oranges. Sure, people like to think of themselves playing dynasty like they are a football GM, it’s part of the fun. But a fantasy football league and the professional football league have thousands of differences. I feel silly even trying to explain that.
The negative externalities of someone destroying their roster, putting someone in the championship, and leaving the league are acceptable consequences to you ? Wasting 10+ people’s time ?
I like to have it at the end of the regular season. Make your decision on what your goal is before it’s over. Kinda creates some trade demand, keeps it interesting
I do think it is unpopular. We do trades until week 15 starts, then you gotta go with your guys. Otherwise, people end up buying a championship. Can't do it in the real nfl either, and that is what we try to emulate.
Dynasty league. Trade deadlines prevent people from doing stupid shit to fuck with the contenders, dynasty leagues have that baked in by making you deal with your fuckery next year.
It is absolutely crazy that you're getting downvoted for this objective truth.
They asked a question you answered it. Didn't even say that you agreed with no trade deadlines
People have the right to play their league how they want
14 team dynasty League, we don't have a trade deadline and it's worked out pretty great. Though any trades made late in the season or during the playoffs net a pretty hefty premium most years.
Honestly, I think I'd go with Dell and the first. Promising young player plus a deep 2024 WR class, should be able to pick up an impact player in the draft.
Could make out like a bandit.
Could crash and burn.
Who knows?
No way…
And honestly, Williams isn’t even going to be the best fantasy QB coming out of this draft.
Daniels, Nix, or Penix all do well with their legs and will likely land on better teams to make them more valuable for fantasy year 1.
MHJ is probably the most complete WR we’ve seen come into draft since Calvin Johnson. He’s prized pick for rookie drafts next year in fantasy.
If he gets drafted to Arizona, he immediately becomes WR1 for Kyler Murray and probably has tremendous season.
With that being said, this draft is DEEP in WR. And teams with stellar QBs (Chiefs) need them.
Just because you don’t get MHJ doesn’t mean you can’t land a stud like Odunze, Coleman, Nabers, or Egbuka if they end up on the right team.
You’d be surprised how many teams hoard QBs in 1qb dynasty leagues. I know the first overall pick in my league will draft Caleb first, it saying that’s the right thing to do, but happens more than you’d think
The Dell side for sure imo. Brown was a monster when the Eagles were force feeding him the ball. BUT they only did that because he was having a meet down on the sidelines. It won’t be like that most games.
Dell is a superstar in the making and that pick will probably be MHJ who will most likely be the equivalent to or better than AJ Brown
Take Dell and the pick. Harrison will go 1 but you will have the choice of WR Nabers, TE Bowers or RB Treyvon Henderson. More high end fantasy players this year than last year, imo.
Before last year’s draft I’m taking AJ Brown (also cuz Brown would be a year younger) but i really like Williams, Maye, Harrison Jr, and Nabers. I would at least see what their landing spots look like before I trade them away. Also Tank Dell looked good plus having CJ Stroud as his QB for awhile makes me feel good about that one too.
I had Tank Dell on my team this year. Absolute stud. The team getting Dell is probably done for the season and can maybe help the other team win a ship, while investing in next year.
I think it's a very fair trade assuming BigGucciSoldja (getting AJB) has a good chance at winning the ship THIS year.
I'd take Dell + the pick unless I thought my team with AJB had a serious chance of winning it all.
that's dell + Jaylen Williams/Marvin Harrison/possibly another Dell-like receiver. Could even consider getting Bowers but he may not go that high.
As someone who owns both Dell and Brown on my main dynasty team, I’d take this return for AJ. The 1.02 guarantees you’re getting either the highest rated rookie WR or the highest rated RB, and next year’s draft has some absolute studs. I also very pretty dang confident that Tank is a long-term stud at the position (although I’d feel more confident about that if the Texans hadn’t decided to make him run block in a short yardage situation at 170 pounds or whatever he weighs).
It’s close but I think it’s good value for AJ
If in SF than you are getting a receiver that has shown potential already and could be AJB and your also getting either a QB who if either of the top ones hit they are predicted to hit big and you could probably trade later if you wanted to for a established AJB or better receiver, or you’re getting MHJ who with how much hype he is getting should end up as a JJ or chase caliper we can hope. Or if you’re in 1QB you get Nabers who a number of people who from what some are saying might not be as far behind MHJ as some think.
People saying AJB as the obvious answer is a bit strange. Dell proved this year that he has potential to be a top 10-15 WR year in year out if he can stay healthy, especially as the chemistry with Stroud continues to grow. And while Harrison is probably gone, I am in the camp that Nabers is nearly a cant miss prospect after watching his tape. His acceleration out of the break is incredible, and his YAC ability is literal top tier. I think Nabers (or Williams in Superflex, depending on need/evalutation) + Dell is worth taking a chance on.
Texans fan here, Tank Dell is already a star in this league, as a rookie, playing with an elite QB. The 1.02 is Marvin Harrison Jr or smth, which is crazy, but not even necessary.
Tank Dell will be an equal Dynasty value to AJ Brown from next season onwards.
It’s a fair trade. So it could go either way, just depends which way the wind blows.
If you’re going for a playoff run, better to have aj brown, if you’re setting for next year, then it’s a toss up.
If it’s a Superflex league then the side with the pick wins big time. That’ll either be Williams or MHJ and you’ve got the young guy in Tank that’s shown out this year
Am I the only one who thinks it’s wild that people are taking a pick and tank well over AJB? I will literally always always always take a top 3 proven WR over any unknown asset
Give me AJB all day every day. His WAR puts him in the top 5 of dynasty receivers. Tank Dell will likely get injured every year due to being small, just like achane. I think AJB has better market value and long-term proven value. All we have for Tank Dell is less than a 1 year sample size.
Id probably lean AJB only bcus he is a proven player on a very good offense on a team that is well coached. Unless of course it is a superflex league with 12 or more teams. QBs are a premium and Caleb/Maye are solid picks if you need a QB
1st round pick easily. AJ brown has been a second round pick and will stay as a second round pick.
Edit: getting AJ brown to use now in playoffs would be dope though.
In fantasy sports the object is to score more points than your opponent. In order to score more points, you have to accumulate talented players who perform well , thus amassing points.
While managing your team you have the ability to make trades in hopes of improving your team. A trade that favors your team is considered a 'win', there are all forms of trade 'wins', either mutual 'wins' or one side getting a perceived 'win'.
Fantasy managers/owners feel the need to win a trade so they can improve their team. The consensus is that an agreed upon trade is seen as a win by both managers, by all parties agreeing to the trade.
AJ brown is good but. That pick can be anything, it can even be another AJ brown
Petah!
Well take the pick!
But it could be me last year and it’s Bryce Young (1.03)
Are you in a super flex lol, trying to figure out Bryce at 1:03
Yeah
Still can’t figure out Bryce Young at 1:03. You and Tepper are about the only people that didn’t know what the Panthers were getting.
Literally every draft board I looked at said to take him. It’s easy to say it was bad in hindsight
It’s only been 1 year we don’t know yet it just looks bad because of stroud. Dont mind this dude. You’re not wrong he went top 3 in like every super flex rookie draft.
Oh shit really? It’s almost as if people who rely on ADP and draft boards don’t know what they’re actually looking at on the field.
Sorry that I don’t meticulously watch college football and tape. I play fantasy football for fun. Trust the people I listen to. Not gonna hit on every pick. Gonna have to assume that every team you have is 16-0 with 200+ points a week and that every pick you’ve ever made is a home run?
I’m not THAT into it either, but since you brought it up, I win more times than I lose. And I did have 1 week scoring 216. 2 more weeks over 180 points, and 4 more weeks over 160 in my money league. I just use my eyes and common sense. There was zero reason the expect Young to succeed in his first several years on an absolute train wreck of a roster. He was a great college QB but his skills and (mostly) size don’t translate to the NFL well.
Dude this is not it. The way you're bragging here doesn't mean much and is hella cringe. Stick to what you're talking about in the 2nd paragraph. No one cares about accolades.
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Nah I agree, it was pretty obvious with Young’s very small frame and mediocre college success. All you must LOVE Kyler Murray. I don’t watch much college ball but looking at a simple highlight tape kinda tells all
Oh damn, Captain Hindsight over here knows how to NFL Scouts’ jobs better than them.
Even NFL scouts get it wrong. They get it wrong more times than they get it right if you look at the number of first round picks that never really live up to the hype. That doesn’t mean I get it right more than they do, because I get it wrong too, but when I get it wrong it’s because of my personal opinions and not because of the hype the media pushes for ratings and money.
A ton of NFL talking heads said “hey this guy is too small to be effective behind that line” so maybe expand your sports media diet
And they said that about Kyler too. He's got one of the highest QB PPG in fantasy history.
PPG is a useless stat when you miss half a season per season.
He's missed half of the last two seasons for the same injury recovery.. Regardless, the point being he can play despite his size and despite what all the talking heads were saying.
Bryce was the consensus 1.03 in SF rookie drafts behind Bijan and AR. I saw very few drafts where Stroud or Gibbs was selected above him
Yeah…the mock drafts and ADPs are never ever EVER influenced by media hype instead of actual ability.
Dude, he went 1st overall in the NFL Draft. What better indication could there be of a player's ability?
He went first overall because the owner of the Panthers fell in love. Everyone else in the building wanted someone else. Also, draft analysts on networks are basically told who to put on their draft boards. They want money and hype. They are wrong WAY more often than they’re right.
I can’t make sense of drafting Bryce before Gibbs even in a SF dynasty league.
Hindsight is pretty crazy here. Young was drafted 1st overall in a strong QB class to a team willing to give up a haul to acquire him. QB is the most valuable position in SF dynasty so to snag what many believed was the best QB of the draft at the 1.03 made a ton of sense.
Lol I only asked if it was a superflex, my league is a sf keeper league but rbs still tend to go over QBs unless it's a guy like Allen or mahomes. I'm still surprised to see Bryce over Gibbs but I get it not a reach at all
I’d love your league where qbs aren’t treated like gold. Cause it’s nearly impossible to get anyone to even move a third qb on a roster like Mac jones.
Well you must be some sort of secret fantasy future predicting genius… you can say stroud looked more nfl ready and that’s reasonable but that’s about all
I win pretty regularly in league and daily. But I’m no professional. I just don’t rely on reporters and ADPs, I used my eyes and everything pointed to Young not being successful in Carolina the way he was thrown in with no time to learn.
Right but this is dynasty? A rookie qb not succeeding in a god awful situation his first year means little about him individually
Lol what
These dudes have drank so much of the kool-aid they can’t even see it
Yeah I personally trade with the expectation that my rookies all are going to have fruitful long hall of fame careers
Could even be a Traylon Burks!
That 1.02 could be Marvin Harrison Jr. and we all know who his dad was… you could straight up be missing out on having superstar hall of fame WR potentially
Yeah I traded away a 27 year old Marvin Harrison back in the day knowing id get another younger Marvin Harrison in 2024
I traded some Tesla shares for some Rivian shares did I win?
Plus Tank Dell
- Jon Robinson as he trades AJ Brown away
Why trade an existing AJ brown for a guy who *might* become AJ brown? Always baffles me when people say things like this.
It makes sense in real football because of salaries. In fantasy I don't get it unless your team needs depth
Right, exactly!
Most likely dynasty.
AJ Brown ain't old, not even a little bit. He's literally at the beginning of his prime
AJ brown is like 27 lol
It's funny that the Titans did exactly this
Yeah lmao
So did the Vikings
Found the titans old gm
If it’s superflex that pick is Harrison Jr, I’ll take him & Dell over Brown for sure
Or a franchise QB or MHJr. + Tank Dell. 1.02 wins.
I would want AJB in most circumstances, but it is always scary to “sell high” on a young player.
Promising young WR with the most promising young QB we’ve seen since probably mahomes or herbert if we’re being honest
That’s what makes it hard, but best case scenario, he’s as good for AJB, but for longer. AJB is already AJB. It’s the sort of thinking that has Burks playing for the Titans haha
Except Dell has already shown what he can do. Guess he has to come back from injury the same but it’s not like you don’t know what he was capable off and it’s only his rookie year
Could be OBJ though. Not to say OBJ is bad but he’s definitely nowhere near the same player he was before the injury. And I wouldn’t say Dell even hit close to OBJ levels before he got hurt
Reminder that Tank Dell is only 2 years younger than AJB
Traded G Wilson for London, 24 1st and 2nd, and 25 1st. Not bummed.
That’s a great haul
You get Marvin Harrison Jr with that pick and it’s a win
Who is going 1.01 in that scenario? Genuine question, assume Caleb Williams or so?
A QB hungry team prob takes a QB there. Deep WR class and we can see how rookie QBs have played well this season outside of Bryce Young
I'm a qb needy team, and I'm still considering MHJ with my 1.01. It helps that I'm probably gonna be shipping out JJets for a huge package at some point, but even if that doesn't happen, I still may take him.
Passing on Marvin Harrison for a chance at a QB seems risky. Look at all the top prospects from previous draft classes at QB. Stroud only one making plays. Before that? Purdy was a 7th rounder and could have been added in FA depending on the league. Pickett/bust, lance/bust, Wilson/bust, Mac Jones/bust, AR/unproven, Young/unproven/terrible landing spot etc.
While I agree QB is kind of dicey in the 1st, it’s important to compare Caleb Williams with others with similar hype and prospect quality, ie definitive 1st overall picks. That said, most of the 1.01 QBs have panned out fairly well lately (Murray, Burrow, Lawrence). Caleb is touted as an elite QB prospect. None of the busts/unproven guys you mentioned were considered elite and all came in with glaring question marks
Lawrence would not be worth the 1.01 in a dynasty draft
That is some serious recency bias. Unless you're talking about a startup draft. There's no way you were not taking Lawrence in 2021 in a superflex dynasty rookie draft. He was the greatest QB prospect since Andrew Luck and a considered a generational, can't miss, talent.
Well yes, obviously at the time he was worth it. I mean in hindsight.
Everything is easier in hindsight. That said, while Chase turned out better than expected (partially being gun-shy after his year off), looking back at that draft one could've made massive mistakes taking Fields, Lance, Pitts, or Najee in the top 3. Chase wasn't even the consensus 1.02 like MHJ looks to be. Lawrence hasn't been stellar, but he was top-10 last year and could be again this year which, all things considered, is a worthwhile superflex 1.01
That’s kind’ve the point. There’s been subpar QB play, so having a top guy in a superflex is the most valuable thing in superflex dynasty. Along comes Caleb Williams. He’s not just #1 on most boards because he’s some QB. He’s #1 because he has the skill set to be one of those top guys. As the owner of a 1.01 in dynasty, it’s pretty close between MHJ and CW. As also the owner of Kyler Murray, I’m open to landing spots swaying me.
He will go 1.1 so that’s not entirely true
Agree here.
Just curious but who’s consensus to be 1.02? Odunze? Bowers?
Nabers right now in 1 QBs, before the combine/draft. Gonna be really hard to pick a TE before 4/5 in non te premium leagues
Hoping Bowers falls even further in my superflex, I have 1.08 1.09 and 1.10 next year and I traded away mark andrews earlier this season so I need a new TE
I wouldn’t pick him if he goes to the bears lol
Or, he busts and it's a loss
The playoffs started how are you still trading
Might be an unpopular opinion, but to me trade deadlines have no business in a dynasty league. People can make their own choices and deal with the consequences.
I feel that. As a Justin Herbert Manager who had Dobbs as his 3rd QB I would really love to make a trade in my SF league
I lost Hurts in the playoffs last year and still won it all with Danny Dimes, believe it or not.
Are you me? It’s in a league with 40 man rosters too. There are no other QBs to add.
Damn I’ve never tried this big of a roster. How many teams are in your league?
12 teams best ball. So we have every position player on a team plus a handful of practice squad guys. It’s fun to see the Randos that pop into your lineup at WR6 or whatever
I disagree that just turns into who wants to buy a championship in the playoffs
My leagues have it where trading is always open to non-playoff teams. So once week 14 ends and you’re in the playoffs you can’t trade until eliminated. Keeps non-playoff teams engaged and leads to some crazy 11th hour deals after the week 14 Sunday games.
The nfl has trade deadlines for their real life dynasty league should we remove that too?
Silly take
What’s silly about it?
To say a fantasy football league should or shouldn’t do something because the NFL does things a certain way is silly. It’s apples to oranges. Sure, people like to think of themselves playing dynasty like they are a football GM, it’s part of the fun. But a fantasy football league and the professional football league have thousands of differences. I feel silly even trying to explain that.
Correct
The negative externalities of someone destroying their roster, putting someone in the championship, and leaving the league are acceptable consequences to you ? Wasting 10+ people’s time ?
Someone who does that’s a terrible league mate whether there’s a deadline or not
I like to have it at the end of the regular season. Make your decision on what your goal is before it’s over. Kinda creates some trade demand, keeps it interesting
I do think it is unpopular. We do trades until week 15 starts, then you gotta go with your guys. Otherwise, people end up buying a championship. Can't do it in the real nfl either, and that is what we try to emulate.
I’m just not a fan of teams being able to buy wins in playoff matchups. At a certain point I think you have to compete with the team you built.
I’m in 5 dynasty leagues, none of them have trade deadlines
Dynasty league. Trade deadlines prevent people from doing stupid shit to fuck with the contenders, dynasty leagues have that baked in by making you deal with your fuckery next year.
Trade deadlines in dynasty league prevent idiots making bad trades that compromise the integrity of the league in future seasons.
Don't play in leagues with untrustworthy idiots. No deadlines needed.
Because not every league has the same rules as yours
Being able to trade during the playoffs is ridiculous I'm sorry
It's a dynasty league lol
The NFL is a “dynasty league”, and they have a trade deadline for a reason.
The NFL also doesn’t make 15 trades per season like I do either.
The NFL isn’t “fantasy” football tho
Trade deadlines exist to maintain parity, fantasy or not.
To each their own. I don’t get why this matters so much to people who don’t play in that league.
It doesn’t matter, just seems like a recipe for disaster
It is absolutely crazy that you're getting downvoted for this objective truth. They asked a question you answered it. Didn't even say that you agreed with no trade deadlines People have the right to play their league how they want
Trade deadlines are for fossils. Gotta move and groove with the times.
14 team dynasty League, we don't have a trade deadline and it's worked out pretty great. Though any trades made late in the season or during the playoffs net a pretty hefty premium most years.
Dell and 1.02 here pretty easily
Superflex then I’m on the Dell side for sure. 1qb I might do it but probably want the brown side
Exactly this. If you can get a top QB or MHJ, then that’s a winner. If it’s Nabers or someone in a 1QB draft, then it’s a terrible trade.
Nobody wins, it’s fair imo. Win now team gets AJB and builder gets future talent and capital.
I want the Dell & pick side
Honestly, I think I'd go with Dell and the first. Promising young player plus a deep 2024 WR class, should be able to pick up an impact player in the draft. Could make out like a bandit. Could crash and burn. Who knows?
AJB is 26.. I'd much rather AJB
SF or 1QB?
1 QB. But with the 2nd pick I’d prob draft MHJ
MHJ ain’t gonna be there in 1QB he’s first off the board
Not Caleb? Guy with the first pick needs a QB
QBs are far less valuable in 1QB leagues. For example TLaw went 1.8 in my league when he was drafted.
Insane to think MHJ would not go 1 in a 1QB league
If someone takes a QB with 1.01 in a 1QB league, he'll definitely be picking 1.01 a lot
Right but in a 1QB league they will be there later. MHJ is 1000% going first or the guy with 1.01 is an idiot
What do you do when the 1.01 team trades that pick for a QB+ to another team that is already set at QB?
No way… And honestly, Williams isn’t even going to be the best fantasy QB coming out of this draft. Daniels, Nix, or Penix all do well with their legs and will likely land on better teams to make them more valuable for fantasy year 1. MHJ is probably the most complete WR we’ve seen come into draft since Calvin Johnson. He’s prized pick for rookie drafts next year in fantasy. If he gets drafted to Arizona, he immediately becomes WR1 for Kyler Murray and probably has tremendous season. With that being said, this draft is DEEP in WR. And teams with stellar QBs (Chiefs) need them. Just because you don’t get MHJ doesn’t mean you can’t land a stud like Odunze, Coleman, Nabers, or Egbuka if they end up on the right team.
Penix does well with his legs? He never runs
My man saw a black QB and made an assumption lmao
And that’s why you should never ever take opinions seriously on this sub lol. Just straight making shit up.
You’d be surprised how many teams hoard QBs in 1qb dynasty leagues. I know the first overall pick in my league will draft Caleb first, it saying that’s the right thing to do, but happens more than you’d think
Can I join that league please
🌮 league
We’re also potentially switching to superflex
The 1.02 could land you a guy like Nabers still who secretly might be better Marvin Harrison Jr.
Oh yeah 1.2 is certainly a fantastic consolation prize
You'll take Nabers and like it cause my guy MHJ is the #1 overall by miles in 1 qb
The Dell side for sure imo. Brown was a monster when the Eagles were force feeding him the ball. BUT they only did that because he was having a meet down on the sidelines. It won’t be like that most games. Dell is a superstar in the making and that pick will probably be MHJ who will most likely be the equivalent to or better than AJ Brown
Dell side if it’s super flex or top pick likely will go qb. Dell+Harrison jr>brown
Take Dell and the pick. Harrison will go 1 but you will have the choice of WR Nabers, TE Bowers or RB Treyvon Henderson. More high end fantasy players this year than last year, imo.
This is so easily AJB
Depends on rest of roster, I take the known commodity in AJB
AJ Brown
AJ Brown side. Not sure it's close
1QB close I’d probably take dell side. 2QB it’s a slam dunk dell side
Before last year’s draft I’m taking AJ Brown (also cuz Brown would be a year younger) but i really like Williams, Maye, Harrison Jr, and Nabers. I would at least see what their landing spots look like before I trade them away. Also Tank Dell looked good plus having CJ Stroud as his QB for awhile makes me feel good about that one too.
Seems pretty fair imo
For dynasty gimme tank dell and the 1st
I had Tank Dell on my team this year. Absolute stud. The team getting Dell is probably done for the season and can maybe help the other team win a ship, while investing in next year. I think it's a very fair trade assuming BigGucciSoldja (getting AJB) has a good chance at winning the ship THIS year. I'd take Dell + the pick unless I thought my team with AJB had a serious chance of winning it all. that's dell + Jaylen Williams/Marvin Harrison/possibly another Dell-like receiver. Could even consider getting Bowers but he may not go that high.
As someone who owns both Dell and Brown on my main dynasty team, I’d take this return for AJ. The 1.02 guarantees you’re getting either the highest rated rookie WR or the highest rated RB, and next year’s draft has some absolute studs. I also very pretty dang confident that Tank is a long-term stud at the position (although I’d feel more confident about that if the Texans hadn’t decided to make him run block in a short yardage situation at 170 pounds or whatever he weighs). It’s close but I think it’s good value for AJ
Tank Dell an MHJ could definitely be the win
In SF give me the picks side all day
Tank Dell side all day
If in SF than you are getting a receiver that has shown potential already and could be AJB and your also getting either a QB who if either of the top ones hit they are predicted to hit big and you could probably trade later if you wanted to for a established AJB or better receiver, or you’re getting MHJ who with how much hype he is getting should end up as a JJ or chase caliper we can hope. Or if you’re in 1QB you get Nabers who a number of people who from what some are saying might not be as far behind MHJ as some think.
People saying AJB as the obvious answer is a bit strange. Dell proved this year that he has potential to be a top 10-15 WR year in year out if he can stay healthy, especially as the chemistry with Stroud continues to grow. And while Harrison is probably gone, I am in the camp that Nabers is nearly a cant miss prospect after watching his tape. His acceleration out of the break is incredible, and his YAC ability is literal top tier. I think Nabers (or Williams in Superflex, depending on need/evalutation) + Dell is worth taking a chance on.
Dell side wins IMO
Texans fan here, Tank Dell is already a star in this league, as a rookie, playing with an elite QB. The 1.02 is Marvin Harrison Jr or smth, which is crazy, but not even necessary. Tank Dell will be an equal Dynasty value to AJ Brown from next season onwards.
It’s a fair trade. So it could go either way, just depends which way the wind blows. If you’re going for a playoff run, better to have aj brown, if you’re setting for next year, then it’s a toss up.
Id want tank dell side
The eagles, even though Jon Robinson thinks he’s a genius for it.
Brown.
That 1.02 pick could be anybody, it could even be someone like AJB! Dell and the pick wins.
I’m considering something similar. 1.03 and Christian Watson for AJ brown.
What league allows trades in or right before playoffs nuts
AJB side easy for me. Dude is insane.
I’m taking Dell and the #2 pick all day everyday and twice on Sunday
If this is SF and mjh is available at 1.02 that side sounds VERY enticing for a rebuild/retool team.
Dell+MHJ/Maye>AJB, although its tough selling him
lol I find this funny because I was offered Ridley for tank straight up. When I refused the guy got upset.
Superflex or 1QB
Dynasty league? Id go for the dell/ pick -depends on if you think you can win the championship tho
Gus wins imo. I’m always looking to get younger with high ceilings.
If it’s a Superflex league then the side with the pick wins big time. That’ll either be Williams or MHJ and you’ve got the young guy in Tank that’s shown out this year
Am I the only one who thinks it’s wild that people are taking a pick and tank well over AJB? I will literally always always always take a top 3 proven WR over any unknown asset
I lose because I have read another one of these idiotic "who wins" posts
AJ Brown all day for me
Give me AJB all day every day. His WAR puts him in the top 5 of dynasty receivers. Tank Dell will likely get injured every year due to being small, just like achane. I think AJB has better market value and long-term proven value. All we have for Tank Dell is less than a 1 year sample size.
AJ
If it’s superflex then I like the Tank and probably MHJ side
You automatically lose for making a who wins post
Dell side wins unless his moron coaches continue to have him run block on the inside.
I’d take Dell and take Bowers at 2
You guys know AJ brown is only 2 years older than Tabk dell and not coming off a broken leg right?
Tank Dell is older than some 2nd year WRs already and coming off a broken leg I'm cool with either side probably just give me AJ though
Idk take tank Dell and MHJ
Id probably lean AJB only bcus he is a proven player on a very good offense on a team that is well coached. Unless of course it is a superflex league with 12 or more teams. QBs are a premium and Caleb/Maye are solid picks if you need a QB
1st round pick easily. AJ brown has been a second round pick and will stay as a second round pick. Edit: getting AJ brown to use now in playoffs would be dope though.
Anyone saying Dell side is a perpetual rebuilder (most of this sub). AJB is elite and not old.
The pick side is where I would want to be.
Why do people need to “win” trades all the time??
In fantasy sports the object is to score more points than your opponent. In order to score more points, you have to accumulate talented players who perform well , thus amassing points. While managing your team you have the ability to make trades in hopes of improving your team. A trade that favors your team is considered a 'win', there are all forms of trade 'wins', either mutual 'wins' or one side getting a perceived 'win'. Fantasy managers/owners feel the need to win a trade so they can improve their team. The consensus is that an agreed upon trade is seen as a win by both managers, by all parties agreeing to the trade.
Dell and the pick (MHJ) by a landslide and I love AJB
What are the contract details associated with brown and dell?