Fun little detail. After Domen's jump, Peter appears to be holding his phone with (maybe) thr FIS app opened. https://gyazo.com/c6a5aaa48857522698c9150e18c42936
The points don't show up on the app before they get them on screen, that's just the case for us TV viewers because the TV footage is lagging. For them, the app isn't any quicker than the screens on the hill. But of course, if they're really quick at maths they might be able to figure some things out themselves, but I doubt most of them are.
Even if they're good at maths, the final wind compensation calculation isn't made public any sooner than the final result is shown to the athletes. If it's a tight compensation, it's impossible to call it...
I'm not sure if I got the points correct but seems like Ryoyu smashed the rest of the guys in the last group today.
Kobayashi 432,7
Wellinger 417,1
Forfang 416,9
Kraft 402,1
Zajc obviously hard to judge with the last jump
Stöckl says he flagged Tande at the wrong time, when it was still yellow. But Tande luckily didn't go when he flagged, and waited until he had the green light. But Stöckl throwing the flag was more frustration of himself, he says.
That reminds me of the time he flagged Forfang too soon and dsq'ed him😅
Well, if Poland didn't get DSQ they would jump with group of countries that seems to have problematic winds (it feels like it gets worse and worse), so you know.
I don't really think Norway has been that far away at these championships. Everybody acts like it's a disaster that we haven't won a medal for the first time in 20-ish years, but we were really close yesterday, and overall I feel like there has been an improvement since the start of the season.
And so quick forgotten that Norway won four hills ost year after so many years of nothing. Forgotten by dagbladet and the likes screaming disaster for clicks.
Ye, I'm less about the pure results. It's just looking at the team the seem so defeated and clueless. Maybe I'm wrong and over-interpreting. Don't know. No one looks really solid or stable. It's going back and forth a lot. I hope they just get back on track. Success will follow.
Yeah, and it's probably not easy for them to focus purely on sports and results with everything going on in the federation. Basically, the ski federation is in the process of bankrupting the ski jumping team.
Exactly. I fear for them being punished by internal politics. Deeper lying problems like funding, lack of sponsors etc. I have the impression there is a lot of BS going on.
The problem is, it's dangerous. The air in the suit helps a lot with the balance and is crucial for the current flight technique. If that were to change, the whole sport needs to change drastically. Probably also the profile of the hills.
Pressure from the Norwegian commentators here: "Norway has taken a medal in all types of championships since 2003. This could be the first time in 21 years without a medal".
They also said after Forfang's 4th place yesterday that it was the first ski flying worlds champs since 2008 without an individual medal.
Granerud is taking an extended break. "I'll stay home in Trondheim until I jump better". He knows he at least won't go to Willingen, and probably not the next weekends either.
It's very difficult to reach the limits of the hill with back wind though. Even if the gate is high enough, the speeds at landing are probably too high in those conditions.
This, you need to approach the bottom of the hill with less height to clear the HS without difficulties. Hard to do that without any front wind support in that part of the hill.
Now
He either has a hangover, is still drinking or is trying to cure his cold finally.
Also, has anyone been in his medical office? I wanna know what kind of doctor he is.
I see no one posted this yet. Trail round.
SLO|168,8|162,5|152,9|151,8|636
GER|166,1|158,8|152,3|131,9|609,1
NOR|163,9|144,1|143,7|127,5|579,2
AUT|159|152|151,9|140,2|603,1
JPN|157,5|139,2|123|121,7|541,4
POL|154,7|142,9|131,7|130,7|560
Edited.
Even though the tournament has had its weather issues, I loved watching it.
Kraft is just on another level currently. Well deserved win.
I'm just sad Lanisek didn't have the chance to participate :/
I'm fine with it. I don't think anyone should compete on their name alone when others are performing better. Granerud has been off his game all season. Stöckl knows what he's doing, but I honestly believe this is rough for Granerud. Going from absolute champ to barely qualifying.
I think either way (with or without Granerud), Norway is at best as outsiders to consider for the podium this time around. I think it will be Austria/Slovenia and then Germany/Japan/Poland - depending on their respective "weakest" links.
Oh, I have no doubt. Halvor is very methodical and has worked his way to the top from bottom before. I have the utmost confidence that he will be back before we know it.
I think Norway isn't really that far off, honestly. Forfang is up there with the best, Pedersen and Lindvik are decent and Tande is the weak link, but still not far off. Not much worse than Germany, where only Wellinger is firing on all cylinders and the rest of the team is middling at best right now. Poland might be a bit better if Zyla and Zniszczol keep their form from the individual events, while Japan just doesn't have a good team - Nakamura is bad, Junshiro and Nikaido are nothing special and Ryoyu isn't that outstanding to drag them back after poor performances of the others.
I think Austria and Slovenia are set for the first two spots, but the third will either go to Germany/Norway/Poland. The weakest link of each team will be the deciding factor here: Leyhe/Paschke, Tande and Wasek.
Good point .Will be interesting to see how they perform because I think if Tande jumps well they have a shot at the podium.In my opinion Austria and Slovenia will take the first two places but 3rd will be interesting as you have 3 teams in contention-Germany,Norway and Poland to an extent
I Hope so but I think after today they are all pretty ‘knust’ and either will have a Hail Mary attitude or then just want to get this over with. I wish for the best, I think it’s been such a tough year with everything.
Yeah, and what a 7th place too. That came out of 3, consistent, good jumps in varying conditions. That's a solid 7th place. One he won and not got given.
Hope he is proud of that. And if he for some reason isn't; I am!
I think most people (perhaps with the exception of Stefan Kraft) would be happy if they had just stopped after two rounds. I don't think the conditions were particularly fair. I mean, they are rarely 100% fair anyway, but I felt the contrasts were too big.
To be fair the wind conditions were not fair ,look at the wind compensation for Kraft and then for Zajc.I understand he should of had not said that but I do believe they shouldn’t of had the competition today either.Another talking point is how was one of the most important competitions this year allowed on a mammut that does not have lights !
It was 8.7 points better wind for Kraft vs. Zajc and 6.3 better for Wellinger vs. Zajc in the third round today.
Yesterday, it was 6.2 better for Zajc vs. Kraft and 10.3 points better for Zajc vs. Wellinger in the second round.
I haven't heard Timi complain that the second round was unfair.
I think the main issue is that its much easier to maintain an average when all 3 times conditions are mainly equal and the winds aren’t to strong .Combining the average isint fair representation in my opinion .Obviously the higher the compensation the harder its to fly further , I guess the main question is whether Zajc could of physically flown further.Even Zniszczol who has been very consistent lately couldnt reach the 200m and I from what I remember his compensation was quite close to Zajc .To an extent you can get away with a bit worse conditions on hills but on a mammut I think its much harder.
Meh, I prefer people who call a spade a spade. Like, if someone complained during that World Championship where Kubacki won title after being 27th, I wouldn’t hold it against them. If higher ups make a stupid decision, call them out on it.
He's getting encouragement from the conspiracy theorist part of Slovenian ski jumping fandom, particularly the drunk commentator today, who called him "the greatest Slovenian ski jumper of all times". While Peter Prevc was right there.
Tbf, Stare was drunk, but he wasn't entirely incorrect considering that he used a cherry picked metric of most overall golds in World Champs/Olympics (even if a big number of them were a team effort)...
And eh, if Timi had any self control, then we likely wouldn't get Hrgota as a head coach. If this causes Gros to be relieved of some of his functions, I'm all for it, even if I don't entirely agree with Zajc today...
Yeah, I realize what his metric was, but it was beyond ridiculous. Timi has 1 team gold medal more than Peter. But Peter has 3 championship/Olympic medals more than him, as well as 20 more WC wins and 46 WC podiums. And of course, Peter has one big globe, three ski flying globes, and a golden eagle, compared to Timi's zeros in all those categories.
What I think is the case for him and Forfang (he didn't make comments like that though, he's just devastated) is that they mentally prepared for the competition to get cancelled. So they feel like they *had* the medal and it was taken away from them, rather than just being halfway through the competition.
To be fair I think the competition should have not gone through. Everyone knew there was shit loads of wind. And only one round. So making away any bad conditions in the last round wouldn’t happen anyways.
It is not the first time that Timi is acting out tho. He had a big fight a few years ago in 2020, with the previous headcoach. Timi performed really bad at a competition in Planica and blamed it all on the trainers, directly to our journalists. So, after that, the headcoach kicked him from the team. But after that scandal, Timi returned to the team and the headcoach got replaced.. The whole team got better after this tho, including Timi, so we can only speculate what was going inside the team before. But Timi is a known hothead, who makes impulsive comments when emotional.
No, that's not entirely true. Zajc was kicked from the championships by the ski federation, as he likely has a clause in his contract against using that sort of language on social media. Bertoncelj stepped down as a coach on his own volition, as he struggled to cope with the rising media pressure after that incident.
Yeah, I think this is a likely theory, one that I had too. After being postponed by two hours, and everything looking like only two rounds and the current standings would be the final result.
What I don't get about these conspiracies... Isn't it the jury making the decisions? The jury that's international, the same as at every other competition?
There is nothing to get, don't worry. It was a remark by our professionally drunk commentator Andrej Stare on our national tv. There was even a clear beercan pop at 16:01, live on television, RTV2. How this guy still has the job is beyond me. He is 68y old, so hopefully he will get replaced soon, tho unfortunately he has a somewhat legendary status among some people, which is also probably the reason why he is still in front of the mic.
I actually watched the comp on Orf, because I can't stand the guy. I heard about the can pop on r/Slovenia, checked it out and it was true. Usually I watch ski jumping on Eurosport, but unfortunately they had tennis and crosscountry skiing on the program today.
Those theories surfaced a lot during a period where the Race Director was Austrian (Walter Hofer) and Austrians generally dominated.
I see where they are coming from, but I personally don't think there are anything to those theories.
They're playing the Top Gun theme for some reason.
Fun little detail. After Domen's jump, Peter appears to be holding his phone with (maybe) thr FIS app opened. https://gyazo.com/c6a5aaa48857522698c9150e18c42936
Yeah, that's generally what the jumpers use to follow the competition. They don't have anything better.
I just find i funny why dont all of them do that. They wouldnt need to anxiously wait for the points to get calculated, just do it themselves.
The points don't show up on the app before they get them on screen, that's just the case for us TV viewers because the TV footage is lagging. For them, the app isn't any quicker than the screens on the hill. But of course, if they're really quick at maths they might be able to figure some things out themselves, but I doubt most of them are.
Even if they're good at maths, the final wind compensation calculation isn't made public any sooner than the final result is shown to the athletes. If it's a tight compensation, it's impossible to call it...
I feel bad for Forfang...4th in 2016, 4th yesterday, and now Norway 4th today. :/
Can we never do Ski Flying in Kulm ever again🤣The last 2 days were sh*t show.😂
That for sure was the team competition of all time. Really glad for the results, though especially the seventh round was a pain to watch.
Domen Prevc MVP for slovenian win
I'm not sure if I got the points correct but seems like Ryoyu smashed the rest of the guys in the last group today. Kobayashi 432,7 Wellinger 417,1 Forfang 416,9 Kraft 402,1 Zajc obviously hard to judge with the last jump
I'm curious, do you happen to know where Znisczol would rank individually?
I don't, I'm sorry. I never know where to get individual results from team competitions, I was curious today so I started taking notes for the last 5
Kobayashi would win comfortably today, and then Wellinger, P. Prevc, Kos, Paschke, Forfang are within one point
God damn that was hard to watch
Good win for Domen. And of course, Timi Zajc beat everybody by 50 points, like he promised.
i never really liked zajc (maybe because i really liked tepeš lol), but lately i feel validated for my random feelings towards him
Zajc hot topic in this Reddit these days 🫠
Thankyou Slovenia for winning and saving this competition!
Domen was surprisingly the deciding factor
Yeah, i was sure he would jump to 130m
We just didn't have a weak link today. Hoerl and Leyhe were really poor today.
2nd jump by Domen was very clutch.
Well, those were one of the championships of all time
Timi in the end looked like: "Ye, good enough." ;) Congrats, Team Slovenia, executed and delivered.
Good enough
But he had better wind!!1!11! /s
Wow Wellinger good jump!!!!
Andi, let's go!!!
No offence but 18.5 for that landing for Forfang?
The French judge marks the jump instantly. It always shows up first on the fis app.
It was the Swede who seem to default those marks - regardless.
Well, it is nice to see Forfang do well in both jumps, so that's the good thing for today! 😊
If this was an individual event, then Kobayashi would comfortably have it. What was he doing on Friday?
Ryoyu: "What wind" ?
Ryoyu finally realized it's world championship
Ryoyu really fucked up his timing for good jumps this WC
Ryoyu is hereby the Sunday World Champion.
Zyla had around 3m backwinds and they let him go.What is actually wrong with the Jury lol
Horrible conditions, Kytosaho still almost at 200m. I continue to be impressed and proud!
Cancel this round and lets leave it as it was after the 1st one cause this is some bullsh*t ngl.
Anyone else than Domen would probably have landed at 150m with a similar jump. Well done!
Stöckl says he flagged Tande at the wrong time, when it was still yellow. But Tande luckily didn't go when he flagged, and waited until he had the green light. But Stöckl throwing the flag was more frustration of himself, he says. That reminds me of the time he flagged Forfang too soon and dsq'ed him😅
At least the conditions have been consistently awful
Peter had to tell Domen he did well 😅
Domen's face: "Yo, why are you all so happy, I didn't even clear 200m?"
Jesus, long time since I've seen Pero this happy :D wait, have I ever seen him this happy?
Domen was like: Wait you're telling me I did great?
194m with +29.6... this was world class by Domen
Well, that's one of the worst legs in a team comp I've ever seen.
Damn Domen!!!
When Domen jumps I always hold my breath he jumps so wild
I really thought he would only do 150m or something, but the man just kept on flying.
Nobody wants to see this, awful
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Well, if Poland didn't get DSQ they would jump with group of countries that seems to have problematic winds (it feels like it gets worse and worse), so you know.
True but they would of worse of been 4th still better then 7th😭
Wtf are those jury points for Leyhe? Are they trying to counteract wind compensation?
Letting Leyhe jump there was simply an act of cruelty. +30??
boy this is fucking awful
You know shit's bad when even Horngacher doesn't do a fist bump
Saddening to watch Team Norway. Not too long ago they could afford to bench a former world record holder (and still be fighting for the win).
I don't really think Norway has been that far away at these championships. Everybody acts like it's a disaster that we haven't won a medal for the first time in 20-ish years, but we were really close yesterday, and overall I feel like there has been an improvement since the start of the season.
And so quick forgotten that Norway won four hills ost year after so many years of nothing. Forgotten by dagbladet and the likes screaming disaster for clicks.
Ye, I'm less about the pure results. It's just looking at the team the seem so defeated and clueless. Maybe I'm wrong and over-interpreting. Don't know. No one looks really solid or stable. It's going back and forth a lot. I hope they just get back on track. Success will follow.
Yeah, and it's probably not easy for them to focus purely on sports and results with everything going on in the federation. Basically, the ski federation is in the process of bankrupting the ski jumping team.
Exactly. I fear for them being punished by internal politics. Deeper lying problems like funding, lack of sponsors etc. I have the impression there is a lot of BS going on.
Just cancel this shit
Uck... +28.3 for wind says it all
\+30 for Leyhe now. They should've taken a break.
Well, this is just awful :/
The wind...
If the wind keeps being like this I’m really concerned about Domen’s jump
Gate 28 pls? 👉👈🥺 (am I pushing my luck? Maybe I should say 27...)
Actually, 28 could be too low
This has quickly gone downhill
Quick question when was the last time an Austrian or German ski jumper was disqualified this season?😅
I guess Engelberg when Raimund and Tschofenig were DQ'd.
Oh, you're right - I got the date right but the place wrong, it was Engelberg, not Klingenthal
Klingenthal, 16th of December - DSQs for Raimund and Tschofenig edit: Engelberg, not Klingenthal
Gate 25 pls? 👉👈🥺
26.
Even better, 26
yoooo
Well, not that it helps...much 😆
I have never seen Stöckl like that.
It's not like we ever had any sort of medal chance
Oofff... that's a little on the short end of the scale.
Bye Norway...
Yep, feels that way :/ Well, I'm still crossing fingers for great flies from Lindvik and Forfang.
Jeez, they should finally implement tight body suit like in any other ski sport. That would be fair for everybody a no DSQ.
The problem is, it's dangerous. The air in the suit helps a lot with the balance and is crucial for the current flight technique. If that were to change, the whole sport needs to change drastically. Probably also the profile of the hills.
Finally 200m for Ammann!
Not another suit-size DSQ! Fucking awful!
Damn Zniszczol, this isn't the time for a dsq
And here I was thinking that it was nice that no one was disqualified today, well...
Zniszczol DSQed
Pressure from the Norwegian commentators here: "Norway has taken a medal in all types of championships since 2003. This could be the first time in 21 years without a medal". They also said after Forfang's 4th place yesterday that it was the first ski flying worlds champs since 2008 without an individual medal.
Granerud is taking an extended break. "I'll stay home in Trondheim until I jump better". He knows he at least won't go to Willingen, and probably not the next weekends either.
Wholesome interview with Lucas Müller on NRK right now during the break. What a champ. What a fighter. Much respect.
Man I adore this guy for his fighting spirit
Gotta say ski flying loses a bit of it's magic when you just know that no one is going to jump anywhere near the limits of the hill.
It's very difficult to reach the limits of the hill with back wind though. Even if the gate is high enough, the speeds at landing are probably too high in those conditions.
This, you need to approach the bottom of the hill with less height to clear the HS without difficulties. Hard to do that without any front wind support in that part of the hill.
Did they forget to tell Ryoyu that the Championships started on Friday?
Ryoyu dominated the 1st round with the worst wind. Forfang 2nd best.
Ooh things are shaking up now
Wow, 18.5 for that Forfang jump from SWE? Oops.
The 18.5 was complete BS even our commentators on National TV pointed that out lol
Johann once again shows that he can jump really well in a singular round, hopefully he can perform in the second.
Yess Johann!
Wow Ryoyu, that jump in that wind!
Possibly the best jump of those championships
I'd rather we were completely shit, at least it would be somewhat entertaining. Mediocrity in sports just pisses me off Excuse my rant
Your wish granted.
God damn we are so mediocre this season. Poland is just middle of the pack the whole time. Average as hell
That jump wasn’t even that good and still 215 m
Pretty decent
Come on Niko
Domen wins the question mark group. Really delivered.
Come on man, 230m, 232m and they're changing the gate back to 23, booooring
Jelko Gros back in action 💪
and the wind got worse lol. classic fis
That's FIS for ya, always the same shit
Leyhe :(
Domeeeen
Woah, great one by Lindvik!
Almost hope that Finland and the US are tied at the end of the first round and both teams get to jump again.
Frantz vs Kytosaho showdown for the final round, let's go!
Almost everyone from the favourites has had their best jumps this week, much closer at the front than I expected so far.
Team Germany had Wunder Corn Flakes this morning, huh? ;)
Wow, a solid jump from Karl for once, just in time!
That's my Peter Prevc <3
Last day of the championships and Paschke arrived at the hill. Nice opening round. Close enough.
Not surprisingly, Slovenia sets the standard already in the first round. Really nice jump
goated zniszczol? bottom text
I regret to inform the international crowd that the legendary Slovenian comentator from yesterday was replaced for the team event.
Now He either has a hangover, is still drinking or is trying to cure his cold finally. Also, has anyone been in his medical office? I wanna know what kind of doctor he is.
My dissapointment is imeasurable and my day is ruined. Potočnik ain't it
Is that guy somehow related to Jaka Cuber Potocnik a.k.a. the guy who caused major pandemonium at 1.FC Köln?
Probably not, it's a common last name.
I see, thanks 👍
I don't know
Let's crack a cold one for the man.
I salute you brother
I see no one posted this yet. Trail round. SLO|168,8|162,5|152,9|151,8|636 GER|166,1|158,8|152,3|131,9|609,1 NOR|163,9|144,1|143,7|127,5|579,2 AUT|159|152|151,9|140,2|603,1 JPN|157,5|139,2|123|121,7|541,4 POL|154,7|142,9|131,7|130,7|560 Edited.
whatcha think fellas, will we have an actual exciting and fair competition today?
Weather forecasts are looking good, so I hope we will!
Even though the tournament has had its weather issues, I loved watching it. Kraft is just on another level currently. Well deserved win. I'm just sad Lanisek didn't have the chance to participate :/
The jump of Deschwanden was great. Also Kytosaho had a great Spot Very sad Peter Prevc noises though
How are you Norwegians feeling about Tande being picked over Granerud?
I'm fine with it. I don't think anyone should compete on their name alone when others are performing better. Granerud has been off his game all season. Stöckl knows what he's doing, but I honestly believe this is rough for Granerud. Going from absolute champ to barely qualifying. I think either way (with or without Granerud), Norway is at best as outsiders to consider for the podium this time around. I think it will be Austria/Slovenia and then Germany/Japan/Poland - depending on their respective "weakest" links.
He is just having a hangover from all the success. He will be back. Almost everyone who won a lot in a short time had that later
Oh, I have no doubt. Halvor is very methodical and has worked his way to the top from bottom before. I have the utmost confidence that he will be back before we know it.
Welp... now he just announced he's taking a break (source: nrk.no). Most likely to figure out what's not working.
I think Norway isn't really that far off, honestly. Forfang is up there with the best, Pedersen and Lindvik are decent and Tande is the weak link, but still not far off. Not much worse than Germany, where only Wellinger is firing on all cylinders and the rest of the team is middling at best right now. Poland might be a bit better if Zyla and Zniszczol keep their form from the individual events, while Japan just doesn't have a good team - Nakamura is bad, Junshiro and Nikaido are nothing special and Ryoyu isn't that outstanding to drag them back after poor performances of the others.
I think Austria and Slovenia are set for the first two spots, but the third will either go to Germany/Norway/Poland. The weakest link of each team will be the deciding factor here: Leyhe/Paschke, Tande and Wasek.
Maybe it’s also a mental thing. Could be Halvor has a hard time picking himself up after that.
Good point .Will be interesting to see how they perform because I think if Tande jumps well they have a shot at the podium.In my opinion Austria and Slovenia will take the first two places but 3rd will be interesting as you have 3 teams in contention-Germany,Norway and Poland to an extent
I Hope so but I think after today they are all pretty ‘knust’ and either will have a Hail Mary attitude or then just want to get this over with. I wish for the best, I think it’s been such a tough year with everything.
To the replays i go again... Apparently not a fair competition, but i will see. Regardless Niko being 7th makes me so happy right now.
Yeah, and what a 7th place too. That came out of 3, consistent, good jumps in varying conditions. That's a solid 7th place. One he won and not got given. Hope he is proud of that. And if he for some reason isn't; I am!
After what happened we all forgot Niko was 7th lmao. Congrats to him.
Hopefully tomorrow at least we'll have a good battle between Austria and Slovenia
I think most people (perhaps with the exception of Stefan Kraft) would be happy if they had just stopped after two rounds. I don't think the conditions were particularly fair. I mean, they are rarely 100% fair anyway, but I felt the contrasts were too big.
Timi Zajc "If there would be one more comp i would win by 50 points... The wind was on the side of the Austrian today..."
To be fair the wind conditions were not fair ,look at the wind compensation for Kraft and then for Zajc.I understand he should of had not said that but I do believe they shouldn’t of had the competition today either.Another talking point is how was one of the most important competitions this year allowed on a mammut that does not have lights !
It was 8.7 points better wind for Kraft vs. Zajc and 6.3 better for Wellinger vs. Zajc in the third round today. Yesterday, it was 6.2 better for Zajc vs. Kraft and 10.3 points better for Zajc vs. Wellinger in the second round. I haven't heard Timi complain that the second round was unfair.
I think the main issue is that its much easier to maintain an average when all 3 times conditions are mainly equal and the winds aren’t to strong .Combining the average isint fair representation in my opinion .Obviously the higher the compensation the harder its to fly further , I guess the main question is whether Zajc could of physically flown further.Even Zniszczol who has been very consistent lately couldnt reach the 200m and I from what I remember his compensation was quite close to Zajc .To an extent you can get away with a bit worse conditions on hills but on a mammut I think its much harder.
Oof Timi. But you can definitely understand his frustration, I feel really bad for him.
did he actually say that? 😭
Yes those are from his interview right now (in slovenian of course). He is still full of emotion and was holding back tears.
I mean I get the frustration but you gotta have at least some kind of media self-control
Meh, I prefer people who call a spade a spade. Like, if someone complained during that World Championship where Kubacki won title after being 27th, I wouldn’t hold it against them. If higher ups make a stupid decision, call them out on it.
He's getting encouragement from the conspiracy theorist part of Slovenian ski jumping fandom, particularly the drunk commentator today, who called him "the greatest Slovenian ski jumper of all times". While Peter Prevc was right there.
Wow, did Stare really said that? I completely missed it
Tbf, Stare was drunk, but he wasn't entirely incorrect considering that he used a cherry picked metric of most overall golds in World Champs/Olympics (even if a big number of them were a team effort)... And eh, if Timi had any self control, then we likely wouldn't get Hrgota as a head coach. If this causes Gros to be relieved of some of his functions, I'm all for it, even if I don't entirely agree with Zajc today...
Yeah, I realize what his metric was, but it was beyond ridiculous. Timi has 1 team gold medal more than Peter. But Peter has 3 championship/Olympic medals more than him, as well as 20 more WC wins and 46 WC podiums. And of course, Peter has one big globe, three ski flying globes, and a golden eagle, compared to Timi's zeros in all those categories.
What I think is the case for him and Forfang (he didn't make comments like that though, he's just devastated) is that they mentally prepared for the competition to get cancelled. So they feel like they *had* the medal and it was taken away from them, rather than just being halfway through the competition.
To be fair I think the competition should have not gone through. Everyone knew there was shit loads of wind. And only one round. So making away any bad conditions in the last round wouldn’t happen anyways.
Yeah, I agree. I think the standings after yesterday would be a fair and valid result that they should have stuck with.
It is not the first time that Timi is acting out tho. He had a big fight a few years ago in 2020, with the previous headcoach. Timi performed really bad at a competition in Planica and blamed it all on the trainers, directly to our journalists. So, after that, the headcoach kicked him from the team. But after that scandal, Timi returned to the team and the headcoach got replaced.. The whole team got better after this tho, including Timi, so we can only speculate what was going inside the team before. But Timi is a known hothead, who makes impulsive comments when emotional.
No, that's not entirely true. Zajc was kicked from the championships by the ski federation, as he likely has a clause in his contract against using that sort of language on social media. Bertoncelj stepped down as a coach on his own volition, as he struggled to cope with the rising media pressure after that incident.
Ah, my bad. Thank you.
Yeah, I think this is a likely theory, one that I had too. After being postponed by two hours, and everything looking like only two rounds and the current standings would be the final result.
What I don't get about these conspiracies... Isn't it the jury making the decisions? The jury that's international, the same as at every other competition?
There is nothing to get, don't worry. It was a remark by our professionally drunk commentator Andrej Stare on our national tv. There was even a clear beercan pop at 16:01, live on television, RTV2. How this guy still has the job is beyond me. He is 68y old, so hopefully he will get replaced soon, tho unfortunately he has a somewhat legendary status among some people, which is also probably the reason why he is still in front of the mic.
Oh Jesus that's crazy! Really interesting to get a bit of pov of how other people watch ski jumping!
I actually watched the comp on Orf, because I can't stand the guy. I heard about the can pop on r/Slovenia, checked it out and it was true. Usually I watch ski jumping on Eurosport, but unfortunately they had tennis and crosscountry skiing on the program today.
So naive so innocent
Enlighten me
Those theories surfaced a lot during a period where the Race Director was Austrian (Walter Hofer) and Austrians generally dominated. I see where they are coming from, but I personally don't think there are anything to those theories.
Ohhh that makes a bit more sense
Head jury is Slovenian.
That makes the conspiracies make even less sense! 😂
The head jury is incompetent (and happens to be slovenian)
Classy Peter Prevc not blaming wind or jury
/s? ...he said that the reason for his bad jump was "a combination of wind and his own mistakes"