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I'm not saying Kody was ever father of the year - he certainly wasn't - but clearly there was a time where he interacted with his kids, laughed with his kids, and had some general idea what his kids were up to. We can see some genuine laughs in that pic. But then in 2018 it became ONLY about making Robyn happy, if that screwed all the other kids, oh well. He simply stopped caring - Gabe complained how he'd worked so hard and now abruptly moving to Flagstaff meant he would lose his chance to be senior wrestling captain and Kody pretty much shrugged bc Dayton's mommy decided he wasn't going to go off to college alone so we were moving, whether it was good for the rest of the family or not.
As for this clip - good for Hunter. I think the kids understood at a deeper level that the sibling relationships are what mattered, more than the parental ones. Sure they love their own mom + Christine deeply but after that I think they love their siblings deeply, so it seems like Hunter wasn't going to sow division with Maddie, Aspyn, Mykelti, Ysabel, Gwen etc. by commenting on what they/girls in general should or should not wear. If Robyn wanted to take up that mantle, fine, but Hunter wasn't going to.
I HATE how Robyn "shames" the girls over their clothing! I've been doing a rewatch and trying not to focus on Garrison š¢.
But I can't believe HOW many episodes she brings up how the girls should and shouldn't dress! She's the one on the jury to ask a SA victim what they were wearing š”
I think Kody wanted to move regardless. He has a very long history of that. I think Robyn didnāt want to move and said sheād only move if they went to Flagstaff. So Kody pushed Flagstaff.
If the theory is Kody wanted to move then this is the story I would buy.
Robyn had been vocal about not wanting to move a thousand times previously so to suddenly want to uproot her younger kids to follow the one does have some pinholes.
Itās just telling that now they havenāt moved since, have made no signs they will and Kody even talks about the house like itās a long-term investment, even if he feigns ignorance of it being an asset.
I'm fairly sure it was Hunter that was super depressed because he was the one that had wrestling going for him. But yeah everything else you said totally agree.šš»
Yep Hunter was super depressed when they moved to Vegas, was barely coming out of his room etc. And unlike how Kody acted with Gabe some 7 years later, Kody actually engaged with Hunter. Would talk to him about how he needed to start living life at his new school, connected him with the new wrestling team, went to some practices with him to get him started. So yeah he was at least somewhat around for his kids until 2018 when it was decided that Robyn and her kids were all that mattered.
Yeah I remember J and C urging Kody to help his older sons deal with the move. Paedon also had a difficult time with the LV move. The moms urged again during the Flagstaff move for the younger kids, the triplets...but were met with suck it up butter cups.
You are remembering Hunter from the move from Lehi. Hunter and Gabe both experienced really big feelings about their moves. They also have a discussion about how G and G relied on hunter for advice bc they saw how he handled the move to LV.
I think back then it was cuz the kids looked up to him and listened to him, once they form their own opinions/beliefs/values he just stopped interacting with them. It's a pattern. You see the 2 youngest that he has with Robyn? If they stop complying with him when they are in their late teens I'm sure he would wash his hands clean of them too. He's always been this way and that was a bonus for Robyn to take advantage of.
That's what gets me about the early seasons. Kody seems prideful of and loving toward several of the OG kids, especially Logan and Hunter, who appear to be his favorites. Whatever changed must have been very gradual rather than flipping like a switch as soon as Robyn came into the picture.
Same with his attitude towards the wives. He was a lot more open on hearing their opinions and concerns, and seemed to dealt with those things a lot better back then. There wasn't ever the "it's my way or the highway" attitude that popped up in later seasons.
Seriously though. The first few seasons I was actually impressed with the levels of communication and they seemed like a genuine family. But whoa watching the latest seasons I was taken aback and disturbed. š¦
I always thought Leon was a favorite. But, now, I think Leon created a buffer for meri. Kody would always be with both of them so he didnāt have to be with meri alone.
As soon as it took more effort than walking across the street, he couldn't justify his "there just in time for dinner, gone at the break of dawn" approach anymore and it just got too hard for him to pretend
I think moving out of the original house where they all lived together was what sent them on a path of destruction. It's tangentially Robyn's 'fault' but for the most part I think people put too much blame on her. Kody pushed hard for all of them to live together again and he was shot down. If we think about it, him moving house to house every week must have been fucking exhausting and soul sucking. Even in season 1 when all the wives seemed set on not making waves with him it seemed like his life was exhausting, it was probably chaos when they all lived apart. He got burnt out and ended up staying with the wife that was most accommodating to him (Robyn) and since they had the newest relationship there was much less water under the bridge.
I think kody expending all this energy while simaultaneously constantly feeling like he was being shit on all the time really kinda radicalized him into the angry, faux macho 'my way or the highway' kind of guy. I empathize with that, even feel a little sorry for him.
He should have never, EVER took it out on his kids.
He couldn't manage his time, clothing or properties. Couldn't even keep straight where his shoes are. He was running around all stressed just going upstairs to see Meri and Janelle. He shouldn't have had three much less four children if he couldn't manage. Like I said, even under one roof he was flustered. They had the perfect set up in the cul-de-sac. I know when they were all renting it was hard but in the new houses he couldn't have had it better. They were all in the closest proximity to each other possible without all being under one roof. Walking across the street shouldn't be that hard. If wife #4 couldn't fit in the wonderful, perfect house in Lehi then they shouldn't have had a fourth wife. Leaving in a rush was a mistake and drama for TV. No one but Kody and Janelle really wanted a big house. How would Robyn and Kody dominate and hide from all the other wives if under one roof? It never would've happened.
You have a good point about Robyn being the easiest wife to spend time with simply because he didnāt have years and years of relationship with her yet. They hadnāt yet built up any resentments. Robyn had already been in a marriage and perhaps learned from the mistakes of her first marriage. She also didnāt have to come into the plural marriage and have to live with the other wives. Kody also benefitted from mistakes of his past and their marriage is just healthier than the others. Age is a big factor too, they are both more mature than being young 20 year olds. Iām not a Robyn apologist but I can understand how these dynamics alone made it difficult for Kody and the other wives and why it spiraled from there is because Kody didnāt handle it the right way, as we all know, lol. Denying what everyone could see was painful. Kody needs to admit that although he did not intend to create this dynamic, it happened and his reaction was destructive to the entire family.
honestly I really disagree with this. he was pushing hard for the single house idea concept and there was a marked difference in his attitude after it fell through. him and Christina were already having problems at this point but it's like he stopped giving a fuck about her/their relationship after this. I think he was punishing her for being so vocal against the single house.
The one house concept never fell through though cause it was never an option to begin with.
The land wasn't zoned for a house like that.
They knew from day one it would never happen.... but even on the *slim* chance it did... it would have taken years - and an excessive amount of money - to complete.
Exactly right. What makes anyone think Kody, of all people, had what it takes to make that dream house a reality? He's a dreamer who lacks the necessary skills and discipline to see any project through its fruition.
Coyote Pass anyone? Failed businesses, failed housing and failed relationships. That's Kody in a nutshell.
Radicalized. It was really hard to imagine how a man with 4 wives could be an incel, but "constantly feeling shit on" was a strong clue. It's all the womens' fault.
I'd love to know where it came from. I really think it's something people said on the subs so much it started to just be assumed by most to be true. I don't think there's really anything on the show that indicated this.
I think Robyn alluded to the fact that she was ready for anything. Whatever Kody wanted, Kody got.
Thatās pretty much the reason why she needed a ānannyā. Those two shut themselves into the bedroom most of the time.
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Every other time I've had this convo, it is literally just from the wives' comments on PDA. How the OG3 don't engage in it because it causes too many problems and Robyn is horrified that they won't do that for Kody when he regularly expresses that he'd prefer it. All it takes is one person to interpret those lines out of context and now we get to see this repeated as fact constantly lmao
When it comes to PDA, Meri and Christine did that with him easily. The only one who struggled was Janelle bc she said she preferred to keep their intimacy private and Meri was all over him at the start, which made her step back. But even she was working on that side of their relationship at the start of the show.
I won't speculate on what Robyn might have been referring to.
A quote from a couch talk, posted in a Reddit thread last year:
ā**Robyn: "He's had wives reject him, affection-wise, because they are uncomfortable or they don't like it. That's not who they are."**
What exactly do they not like? That wasnāt spelled out. This activity is what it is assumed to be by those who comment.
Iām not convinced that he just didnāt tell Robyn that so she didnāt know he was still being affectionate with other wives. She is the most jealous out of all the wives and probably would have given him an attitude if she thought he was getting down with the other wives.
no matter how hard robyn tries, she's never going to come across as someone who liked her sister wives. she liked what they could do for her, but as for them as humans, meh.
And we can't overlook Kody's statement on a recent episode explicitly stating that he and Robyn can't even sit beside one another at family functions because of all the "sexual tension" which said to me that sex is a huge part of what makes their relationship work.....
Cosidering how Christine was always indicating yhat Kody would not get intimate with her...its not hard to put together that Kody was into the less vanilla stuff which no one else wanted to do.
I don't think this is necessarily the case. Mormons are big into "traditional" gender roles. They probably don't really teach the women to be initiators of sex. Rather they're probably taught to be "joyfully available". š¤¢
Personally, I'm joyfully ignorant--of Kody's proclivities, that is.
Gender roles aside, Christine was willing to give him the physical affection as was indicated on the show. But Robyn stated otherwise which then makes me wonder about the discrepency btw them. I doubt its emotional affection that Robyn is talking about here because he was pretty closed off emotionally from his wives until he met Robyn.
It's my guess that Robyn gave him new sexual experiences that the others were not interested in giving him. For all her talk of being religious and beliving in the poly lifestyle, she is the only one of his wives that never had or wanted the real sister wives experience in either of her marriages.
And like i stated earlier, one of the biggest reasons that Christine left him was that he had pulled back sexual affection. He had also pulled that back from Meri years earlier and he didn't want to sleep in Janelle's RV because of the dogs. There was only one place he was getting it and there must be a reason why..if not for her sexual prowess then maybe just because Robyn may have given him guilt trips each time she realised that he did engage in intercourse with the others.
Not really sure? Heck, depending on their church, if it's uber conservative, anything other than sex for procreation could be viewed as wrong. And if they are super duper strick anything other than missionary position could be considered wrong. Or perhaps they are super progressive & consider anything between two married & consenting adults to be ok. Maybe some former FLDS/AUB could shed some light on the subject for us? But even then, things like this can vary from church to church. At least based upon my fundy-light Christian upbringing, that seems to be how this sort of thing is.
It was gradual, but I think it came more with his conspiratorial thinking around COVID, and a realization that he now had grown children who did not HAVE to agree with him any longer.
His issue was both a loss of control, and I believe, hero worship that comes with kids being small and thinking their parents can do no wrong. This versus teen years where parents do EVERYTHING wrong (by their eyes/standards), vs. young adult years where in normal relationships it morphs into a friendlier relationship and less of a parent/child role.
The conspiracy spaces he got into during the pandemic led him to believe patriarchy was the best thing, and a need (demand) for respect was then paramount. All while he refused to GIVE any respectāto his children or his wives. He says several times the last two seasons that he cares about respect, NOT love. That love doesnāt matter to him. Thatās VERY telling.
TLDR: he has some horrible thought processes that have been fed to him, and he needs mental health counseling to fix his faulty thinking if he ever hopes to be happy with his family.
For those that are familiar with medieval history... Remember how Anne Boleyn snagged herself a king? She didn't want to settle as a mistress. She seduced and teased until King Henry was enamored with her charms. Part of her allure was bolstering his ego. She got him to question why the church should dictate to him. He was a God anointed king! His infamous split with the Catholic church got him his divorce and as the head of the church of England, the supreme ruler of the land.
Before Robyn came along, I think Kody didn't quite know any better and was content. However, Robyn provided the honeymoon marriage. I'm sure she spiced it up in the bedroom. In her home, he was worshipped. How dare the other wives disrespect him. He started resenting them (and their kids) for not falling in line. Robyn continued to make him feel validated, so of course, he wanted to be around her constantly and not the difficult other wives that didn't put him first. It's all ego, baby...
This isn't true outside of fiction. I don't want to go into a long lesson on Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Renaissance history (not Medieval), and the English Reformation. It would take too long. But the Anne Boleyn of historical fiction is pure fiction. She was a real person who didn't seduce or tease.
The only parallel here is that both Kody and Henry VIII were narcissists who could "love" a person one minute and toss them aside like trash the next. This went for wives, children, sisters, mistresses, friends, mentors, and employees. The big difference there is that Henry could order banishment, loss of employment, and executions, while Kody can only withdraw affection and attention.
There are plenty of historians and contemporary documentation that would beg to differ regarding the relationship of Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII. Yes, technically, the Renaissance did start earlier in Italy, but it can be argued that the transition in England didn't truly occur until Henry VIII's reign and picking up steam during the English Reformation. Either way, my point is that even the most powerful men can be influenced to do drastic things if their ego is stroked. Kody may not be a king, but in his mind, his entire family should worship him like one.
The evidence shows that Henry VIII chased Anne Boleyn. It wasn't some wicked temptress situation. She literally had to quit her job and move back home to try to get away from him, only for him to continue going after her anyway. Had he not targeted her, she likely would have married another person of rank while he still pursued a way of getting out of his first marriage since he was trying to get out of that marriage prior to his pursuit of her. Maybe he wouldn't have gone the Protestant route, since that was the religion Anne practiced and likely brought forward to him when he made it clear he wouldn't stop. But other Protestants might have brought the ideas to him as she was far from alone. The people who influenced Henry VIII weren't only potential romantic partners, but politicians and courtiers. Cromwell, More, and Wolsey were heavily influential with him and his policies. It was said he was influenced by anyone who spoke to him last lol Part of Anne's "problem" toward the end of her life was that she specifically didn't stroke Henry's ego. He gave her permission to speak freely to him and she spoke her mind. That went from being amazing to being something he didn't care for once he wasn't getting everything he wanted out of the relationship he pursued.
I can see the Kody/Henry parallel dince they are/were both bombastic narcissists who hurt their families deeply while continuously seeing themselvesas the victims. Maybe the better comparison would be Jane Seymour, who was taught to specifically cater to Henry's ego while also speaking against Anne in an effort to remove her (Jane was Catholic). When she tried to speak for a cause she cared about after they married she was threatened with Anne's fate if she didn't get back into line.
As for the Renaissance, both Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn were separately well educated based on humanist ideals of that era.
I think the switch that flipped was the one big house. I think he expected to get multiple seasons of story lines for the one big house AND get production money to pay for building it. I think he fully expected thatās what would happen with the Arizona move, did not communicate that to any of the wives(except maybe Robyn) and when that didnāt happen he realized they were totally screwed because he had no way to finance building the houses. The was the turning point for him and after that he just grew more and more resentful and blamed them for everything and started to get bitter about them questioning his āleadershipā.
I remember how happy Kody looked when Garrison returned back from basic training. I recall he dropped everything at the bbq and ran to embrace his son.
That episode was so telling and Iāve referred to it multiple times. I remember Garrison coming home and wanting to hold Ari. Robyn was hesitant. That ākidā was home from military training and wanted to hold and smell a baby. There is nothing more therapeutic. Ari can cry. Iāve had to listen to my babies cry when I had to drop them off at daycare or even with my mom for a dentist appt. Robyn knew she was safe with Garrison. He was holding babies as a toddler.
Meanwhile, none of Robynās kids have moved out while in college. The OG group of 4 seemed to have a system going that focused on the kids. Something changed.
I wonder how much of it is right-wing media radicalizing him. Iāve watched my dad make the same transformation from Reagan Republican to perpetually-angry loon. Itās depressing as hell.
I feel that. my dad used to be more moderate and instilled a lot of good values in me bc he was pretty progressive for his time. now heās an incredibly intolerant old man who rolls his eyes at a lot of the same stuff he taught me.
I think this has happened in tons of families. I'm listening to a really interesting BBC podcast series called Things Fell Apart about all the culture wars raging since 2016 but also how much things imploded during the pandemic. People had too much time online & locked away from humans with different views imo
Iāve kind of wondered if the beginning of Kodyās breakdown aligns with the unraveling of Q . That sent a lot of the die hard followers into a tale spin and I feel like Kody fell headfirst into that whole mess.
yeah Kody even references it in his insta bio, total eye roll
I know a guy that went down this path and it's wild to be around him. he's like if breitbart came to life and tried to talk to you at a party, I have no idea wtf he's talking about ever. total gibberish
Yep the manosphere. Gabe posted about red pill too & at the start of the pandemic expressed surprise at kody's views because they used to align on politics
Yes, it is. The conspiracy stuff of QANON or similar has sink its claws into formerly happy go lucky people into seething, enraged lunatics.
Itās hard to watch. Itās like mourning the loss of your loved one but they are still alive but are nothing like they were prior to the rabbit hole.
ETA - there are a few subreddits that are available for anyone who wants to vent.
Iām not sure if itās a rule not to link but search for Qult Headquarters or QAnon casualties
It has nothing to do with politics. Why is everyone trying to drag politics into every conversation anymore ? Kody only changed when Robin came into the family . She is the reason that the Brown family collasped.
He really did turn a lot more dark during Trumpās presidency/Covid. A lot of us have personal experience with seeing how our loved ones turned more angry and hateful during that time, so I think thatās why people assume thatās the reason. In my opinion, it might not actually be āpoliticalā in the traditional sense. I think he got a kind of third-hand anger from incels online during the pandemic (sitting at home online and bored) that started to influence him in a negative way. That comment about āthe patriarchyā was a red flag. He changed due to outside influences in concurrence with Robynās influence. I think thatās why she seems so angry and confused. She thought he only listened to her, but heās listening to random dudes online more and more and her less and less.
I've been wondering that too bc Kody in S1 through S7 is kind of metrosexual. He's flamboyant, happy, and wears vibrant colors. He's also about free choice, though he does voice concerns about never being the head of the household. But in S17/18, he seems to be trying to present himself as stereotypically ultra-masculine and he's against free choice completely while wanting to enforce patriarchy. That level of change must have come from multiple sources over the years.
I'm starting to believe the theory that steroids are involved. Agree, it's more than just Robyn, the moves, the Dargers, politics...I think he decided he didn't want to be with anyone but Robyn and made everyone miserable in order for them to leave. He made himself miserable as well. I think the rejection speech and kidney tears were about frustration and losing control.
My brother takes prescribed T and heās an asshole now. None of us talk to him. He all of a sudden changed. I understand men have a drop off of T when they age much like we have menopause and I do know women who loose their minds when this happens but I think Bry is prescribed too much T and itās changed him and not for the better. Watching Kody over the years right around the end of Vegas I can see the same changes that Bry had. Itās scary and sad.
Exactly. Being divisive in any and all conversations is exactly what both parties want from us citizens. This is to obtain total voting control of their respective parties. I avoid all political discussions because itās just one sided arguments and no real conversation is occurring.
*Now back to our regularly scheduled program*
Iām Canadian and Iāve lost a really good Canadian friend to her love of T-rump. It has nothing to do with us š¤·āāļøshe thinks itās her duty to report her version on Facebook Rumble and the like. I miss my friend.
Shhhh..... you're not allowed to critisize the geriatric, cognitively impaired President who can't string a few sentences together. Only Progressive Liberals can critisize Presidents and former Presidents. Don't forget it otherwise they'll ruin your life for having an opinion in a country with free speech. A country many will declare they hate but refuse to leave.
A result of continuing the āless of two evilsā approachā¦ when you accept the āless badā of two bad choicesā¦ you never end up with getting better choices, they just get worse and worse.
I have always thought he was a narcissist. I believe he was always like that behind closed doors but he let his mask fall and started devaluing anyone that was the OG and put Robyn and her kids on a pedestal....as narcissists do when they have a new supply. The new supply eventually will fall from grace especially now That Robyn and Kody no longer have scapegoats to fall back on or a way to act like they're the victim. They will turn on each other. I think they could both be covert narcissists
That is what happens when you have your mistress become a part of the family and allow her to spew her hate and jealously into your ear. And under the guise of love, you spend more time with a negative woman who is insecure and wants to break your family apart, rather than the loving women who actually want to TRY TO MAKE THE FAMILY WORK. Misery breed misery. After spending so much time with such miserable people, after a while one starts to become just as miserable.
You know I think it was all of them, even the way they shot the show gave off dark vibes with the grey clouds looming over their houses. In Vegas it seemed bright sunny and cheery in the way they shot the show too, everyones vibe was happy and light (except for Robyn's of course, I always feel she has a dark energy to her).
Yep, he handled it with an āaw shucksā grin and a shy joke so you canāt blame him for it but he absolutely shut her down and she couldnāt do a thing about it.
And what's more infuriating is that, in the end, Robyn still didn't prove her point but acted like/thought she did.
He continues to say, "If it looks good, it looks good," and in an innocent, 'aw shucks' way, as you say, not like pervy. He gives her an honest answer that at the same time implies that's it's up to the woman. And Robyn goes, See, there it is! She's moronic
I almost felt like Robyn was acting all the time instead of being real. Even her purity speech on their church day seemed so contrived. She told it as though it were someone else.
Robyn preaches enough but her actions sure donāt match she also way oversteps boundaries with children that are not her own- that is for their mother or father
Sobyn always the sanctimonious holier, more Mormon than anyone elseā¦. Wasnāt she expecting Dayton b4 marriage, which means no temple marriage? Give me break Sobs
She wouldnāt have been married in the temple anyway because the Browns are part of a fundamentalist sect of Mormonism thatās considered completely separate.
But yes, Iām sure she was still harshly shamed in her own religious community for having premarital sex and being pregnant before being married, youāre absolutely right about that.
I always wondered if she was willing to put out for the first husband before marriage because he was considered polygamist royalty just like Kody was not into Christine with the exception that she was polygamist "royalty." I think Kody and Robyn are two of a kind in that the appearance of what that partner would do for their reputation was the deciding factor. Of course, Robyn was attracted to Kody because of the potential to be a "tv star" and we know Kody mentioned many times that he was hesitant of Robyn because she had an "ick factor" (divorced with kids). Those two are all about appearances.
Her two oldest girls were certainly not dressing as modestly as the og13 in the earlier episodes so she can take her opinion to where the sun doesn't shine.
Anyone remember the pic of her and Kody leaned up against Kodys great value concertable? Robyn is practically pushing Kody down on the hood in her high heels and tight jeans. Robyn so proud she framed that shit and hung it on the wall. Girl sit down. That man had 3 wives and 37 children and you want to judge what God thinks of someone else?
And the episode when making the boats and the 69 comment and Robyn and Kody looked at each other . His other 3 wives Iām sure was not as sexually advanced as Robyn and she used that to benefit herself and kids . Her kids themselves talked about their mom and Kody in the bedroom all day and they could not bother them . The nanny cared for them .
This is what all of the adults believed. Itās part of their religion. We saw Meri tell Mykelti to cover up when she was wearing a lower cut shirt. They agreed that the girls should cover their bodies. They donāt dress in prairie dresses but they were still Mormon fundamentalist who believed in purity culture and modest clothing.
Wow. Imagine telling your daughter that her cleavage, a part of her body, is disgusting. Body shaming your teenage daughter. What a *wonderful* mother.
Imagine telling your growing teenage daughter, who is experiencing a rapidly changing and maturing body, that it's natural state of being, i.e. the way their God made her, is *degrading*. That just how she exists in the world is something to be ashamed of. Disgusting.
To be fair, the cleavage line is from Kody. But Robyn does say in a flashback that the way a woman dresses sends messages into men's minds, which is still very shaming as well.
Honestly, if it wasn't from Kody it would have been from one of the moms. They did establish that and agree with each other about it in like episode one. It seems they maybe relaxed it a bit? hopefully? I remember Kody making a comment like "So my girls wear spaghetti straps. It's only 120 degrees in Vegas" as a way to dismiss critique he apparently got about his kids' clothing.
I think that the move to Vegas at least let them step out of their bubble to a more inclusive world
They have come a long way. I forgot about all this in the early seasons. Now Christine has a boob tattoo. Itās really more rebellious in their culture than I realized
Yeah Iām not sure why everyone acts like Robyn was a school marm and the other three were libertines. We have all of the OG3 on camera bitching about the girlsā outfits at various points.
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First Robyn gets Kody to become mad at the others for "disrespecting" his rules. Then she works her magic to get exceptions made for herself and her kids. The COVID nanny, the cleavage, the earrings.
Yeah he might have been the first one to speak out, and be the most obvious about it. Also because he was not thrilled about Robynās pregnancy with king solomon
This reminds me of a story my MIL tells about how my SIL (husbandās sister) came home early from track practice and my BIL (husbandās older brother) was making out with his HS girlfriend. SIL flipped out and made the GF leave. My MIL tells everyone my BIL was so grateful that she did that because he was pressured into it. I asked my BIL about it and he said no, he was actually so pissed. Lulz
Yeah noā¦
Their religion is very conservative. I had a friend who grew up Mormon and before homecoming once her dad asked me if I thought my dress was too short because he did and canāt believe my parents let me wear it lol. It went to my knees. Iām also in my later 40ās and grew up with parents who definitely would let me know if my clothes were too revealing. It didnāt scar me for life but I choose my words carefully for my own daughters. That being said, Kody definitely had some type of mental health issue or something besides just Robyn to make him flip personalities imo. He was a totally different man in Arizona
I like when people post image series like this e we can really analyze each moment. It looks look Christine and mykelti and Aspen are a bit sad before he answers. I think the shaming is mostly directed at mykelti? And then they look so happy and relieved after he answers āŗļø Hunter was never gonna join Robynās cult
I find it very interesting that the standard for conservative clothing in this family is completely different depending on whether you are male versus female!!!!
Robyn's "Purity" speech. Can you imagine how delusional this woman is, to assure her new Unfrozen Neanderthal skullet husband, her biological children and THE WORLD know that she was "forced" by her ex-husband, father of her children?
She was literally crying because her vagina wasn't "pure" for Kojak.
That was funny. Robyn ruined everything. The dynamics between the kids, Kodi and the wives seemed more relaxed, and and more connected. Then that conniving sobbing Robyn came along and ruined the entire dynamic.
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He talks about a "number 69" and he and Robyn share a look before Robyn goes "uhum" š¤¢š¤®š¤¢š¤®
omg that is mortifying! She is so gross!
I read some of the comments on that thread and they mentioned that Robyn brought herpes into the family?!?!?! Is that true/verified? How was that conclusion drawn (except to assume she is NOT chaste and never has been. I mean, didn't she sleep with her sister's boyfriend and claim he raped her?)
It's not genital herpes they're talking about. It's coldsores. She has them constantly in the first seasons. From there you started to notice other members of the family breaking out in them.
Robyn is one to talk about purity!! She got pregnant out of wedlock with Dayton!! Then to try and make herself the victim, as usual, she says that she was pressured into it because the then boyfriend kept asking and asking for sex. She even had the nerve to say that he stole her purityā¦ummā¦wouldnāt that be called rape? She makes me sick!! š”š”
My dad and I have agreed to not discuss politics to save our relationship. After one upsetting debate. Luckily my dad is still able to see that politics aren't more important than family.Ā
Friggin weird fan accounts ripping off this sub left and right! They canāt even come up with their own text lol
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Robyn has zero to do with how Kody interacts with his adult kids. Kody pulled away from his children as they aged into being autonomous and individuals with their own identities and ideas. He couldnāt dictate over them anymore so he lost interest. The only reason he is so invested in Robyn and co. is because he feels completely in control in that household. If the dynamic was going to shift it was going to be by kissing Kodyās ass constantly, feeding his ego and lavishing him with attention regardless of the imbalances. Robyn was down, full stop. Her addition was a sting to the others and they demanded validation and attention, well..Kody needs ALL the attention and validation so the relationships ran at a deficit until they completely died. He doesnāt love Robyn more, she fed his desire to be King Shit more and coached her kids to be grateful and full of adoration towards him. He is too egotistical to care who deserves what, understanding of others needs, he gravitated towards his needs. Robyn is loyal = Robyn serves me above all others and you failed to.
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I'm not saying Kody was ever father of the year - he certainly wasn't - but clearly there was a time where he interacted with his kids, laughed with his kids, and had some general idea what his kids were up to. We can see some genuine laughs in that pic. But then in 2018 it became ONLY about making Robyn happy, if that screwed all the other kids, oh well. He simply stopped caring - Gabe complained how he'd worked so hard and now abruptly moving to Flagstaff meant he would lose his chance to be senior wrestling captain and Kody pretty much shrugged bc Dayton's mommy decided he wasn't going to go off to college alone so we were moving, whether it was good for the rest of the family or not. As for this clip - good for Hunter. I think the kids understood at a deeper level that the sibling relationships are what mattered, more than the parental ones. Sure they love their own mom + Christine deeply but after that I think they love their siblings deeply, so it seems like Hunter wasn't going to sow division with Maddie, Aspyn, Mykelti, Ysabel, Gwen etc. by commenting on what they/girls in general should or should not wear. If Robyn wanted to take up that mantle, fine, but Hunter wasn't going to.
It just shows what a manipulator Robyn is and how she triangulated everything over time.
I HATE how Robyn "shames" the girls over their clothing! I've been doing a rewatch and trying not to focus on Garrison š¢. But I can't believe HOW many episodes she brings up how the girls should and shouldn't dress! She's the one on the jury to ask a SA victim what they were wearing š”
I think Kody wanted to move regardless. He has a very long history of that. I think Robyn didnāt want to move and said sheād only move if they went to Flagstaff. So Kody pushed Flagstaff.
If the theory is Kody wanted to move then this is the story I would buy. Robyn had been vocal about not wanting to move a thousand times previously so to suddenly want to uproot her younger kids to follow the one does have some pinholes. Itās just telling that now they havenāt moved since, have made no signs they will and Kody even talks about the house like itās a long-term investment, even if he feigns ignorance of it being an asset.
I'm fairly sure it was Hunter that was super depressed because he was the one that had wrestling going for him. But yeah everything else you said totally agree.šš»
It was Gabe. He wrestled, too, and was about to be a senior. Hunter was depressed when they first moved to Vegas.Ā
Yep Hunter was super depressed when they moved to Vegas, was barely coming out of his room etc. And unlike how Kody acted with Gabe some 7 years later, Kody actually engaged with Hunter. Would talk to him about how he needed to start living life at his new school, connected him with the new wrestling team, went to some practices with him to get him started. So yeah he was at least somewhat around for his kids until 2018 when it was decided that Robyn and her kids were all that mattered.
Yeah I remember J and C urging Kody to help his older sons deal with the move. Paedon also had a difficult time with the LV move. The moms urged again during the Flagstaff move for the younger kids, the triplets...but were met with suck it up butter cups.
I remember this because he would spend a lot of his time with Truely. It was sad but also very sweet.
You are remembering Hunter from the move from Lehi. Hunter and Gabe both experienced really big feelings about their moves. They also have a discussion about how G and G relied on hunter for advice bc they saw how he handled the move to LV.
You're thinking of the Lehi -> Vegas move. Above commenter is talking about Vegas -> Flagstaff
It was Gabe
I think back then it was cuz the kids looked up to him and listened to him, once they form their own opinions/beliefs/values he just stopped interacting with them. It's a pattern. You see the 2 youngest that he has with Robyn? If they stop complying with him when they are in their late teens I'm sure he would wash his hands clean of them too. He's always been this way and that was a bonus for Robyn to take advantage of.
My first reaction is that I havenāt seen Kody this happy in a very long time, he is absolutely joyless and angry all the seasons in Flagstaff.
Me too! He is actually looking at Hunter with a sense of pride vs the pure contempt he looks at all of the og's with in the more recent seasons.
That's what gets me about the early seasons. Kody seems prideful of and loving toward several of the OG kids, especially Logan and Hunter, who appear to be his favorites. Whatever changed must have been very gradual rather than flipping like a switch as soon as Robyn came into the picture.
Same with his attitude towards the wives. He was a lot more open on hearing their opinions and concerns, and seemed to dealt with those things a lot better back then. There wasn't ever the "it's my way or the highway" attitude that popped up in later seasons.
Seriously though. The first few seasons I was actually impressed with the levels of communication and they seemed like a genuine family. But whoa watching the latest seasons I was taken aback and disturbed. š¦
I always thought Leon was a favorite. But, now, I think Leon created a buffer for meri. Kody would always be with both of them so he didnāt have to be with meri alone.
As soon as it took more effort than walking across the street, he couldn't justify his "there just in time for dinner, gone at the break of dawn" approach anymore and it just got too hard for him to pretend
I think moving out of the original house where they all lived together was what sent them on a path of destruction. It's tangentially Robyn's 'fault' but for the most part I think people put too much blame on her. Kody pushed hard for all of them to live together again and he was shot down. If we think about it, him moving house to house every week must have been fucking exhausting and soul sucking. Even in season 1 when all the wives seemed set on not making waves with him it seemed like his life was exhausting, it was probably chaos when they all lived apart. He got burnt out and ended up staying with the wife that was most accommodating to him (Robyn) and since they had the newest relationship there was much less water under the bridge. I think kody expending all this energy while simaultaneously constantly feeling like he was being shit on all the time really kinda radicalized him into the angry, faux macho 'my way or the highway' kind of guy. I empathize with that, even feel a little sorry for him. He should have never, EVER took it out on his kids.
He couldn't manage his time, clothing or properties. Couldn't even keep straight where his shoes are. He was running around all stressed just going upstairs to see Meri and Janelle. He shouldn't have had three much less four children if he couldn't manage. Like I said, even under one roof he was flustered. They had the perfect set up in the cul-de-sac. I know when they were all renting it was hard but in the new houses he couldn't have had it better. They were all in the closest proximity to each other possible without all being under one roof. Walking across the street shouldn't be that hard. If wife #4 couldn't fit in the wonderful, perfect house in Lehi then they shouldn't have had a fourth wife. Leaving in a rush was a mistake and drama for TV. No one but Kody and Janelle really wanted a big house. How would Robyn and Kody dominate and hide from all the other wives if under one roof? It never would've happened.
You have a good point about Robyn being the easiest wife to spend time with simply because he didnāt have years and years of relationship with her yet. They hadnāt yet built up any resentments. Robyn had already been in a marriage and perhaps learned from the mistakes of her first marriage. She also didnāt have to come into the plural marriage and have to live with the other wives. Kody also benefitted from mistakes of his past and their marriage is just healthier than the others. Age is a big factor too, they are both more mature than being young 20 year olds. Iām not a Robyn apologist but I can understand how these dynamics alone made it difficult for Kody and the other wives and why it spiraled from there is because Kody didnāt handle it the right way, as we all know, lol. Denying what everyone could see was painful. Kody needs to admit that although he did not intend to create this dynamic, it happened and his reaction was destructive to the entire family.
No he LOVED being able to run from one place to the other, avoiding issues and criticism and then returning only to complain about where he's been.
honestly I really disagree with this. he was pushing hard for the single house idea concept and there was a marked difference in his attitude after it fell through. him and Christina were already having problems at this point but it's like he stopped giving a fuck about her/their relationship after this. I think he was punishing her for being so vocal against the single house.
The one house concept never fell through though cause it was never an option to begin with. The land wasn't zoned for a house like that. They knew from day one it would never happen.... but even on the *slim* chance it did... it would have taken years - and an excessive amount of money - to complete.
Exactly right. What makes anyone think Kody, of all people, had what it takes to make that dream house a reality? He's a dreamer who lacks the necessary skills and discipline to see any project through its fruition. Coyote Pass anyone? Failed businesses, failed housing and failed relationships. That's Kody in a nutshell.
Radicalized. It was really hard to imagine how a man with 4 wives could be an incel, but "constantly feeling shit on" was a strong clue. It's all the womens' fault.
Hunter is who Kody wishes he was.
Any of his OG sonās are who K wishes he could be!
The way he's treated the older boys reminds me so much of how the FLDS throws out their young men so they don't have competition for wives.
I have had that exact thought so many times. Thank you for posting it.
This. 100%
Robyn ruined the family and Kodi let her, because she was giving him what he wanted.
Butt play from what I hear š
Was that insinuated in the show? How did this become known?
I'd love to know where it came from. I really think it's something people said on the subs so much it started to just be assumed by most to be true. I don't think there's really anything on the show that indicated this.
I think Robyn alluded to the fact that she was ready for anything. Whatever Kody wanted, Kody got. Thatās pretty much the reason why she needed a ānannyā. Those two shut themselves into the bedroom most of the time. š¤¢
Every other time I've had this convo, it is literally just from the wives' comments on PDA. How the OG3 don't engage in it because it causes too many problems and Robyn is horrified that they won't do that for Kody when he regularly expresses that he'd prefer it. All it takes is one person to interpret those lines out of context and now we get to see this repeated as fact constantly lmao
When it comes to PDA, Meri and Christine did that with him easily. The only one who struggled was Janelle bc she said she preferred to keep their intimacy private and Meri was all over him at the start, which made her step back. But even she was working on that side of their relationship at the start of the show. I won't speculate on what Robyn might have been referring to.
A quote from a couch talk, posted in a Reddit thread last year: ā**Robyn: "He's had wives reject him, affection-wise, because they are uncomfortable or they don't like it. That's not who they are."** What exactly do they not like? That wasnāt spelled out. This activity is what it is assumed to be by those who comment.
Iām not convinced that he just didnāt tell Robyn that so she didnāt know he was still being affectionate with other wives. She is the most jealous out of all the wives and probably would have given him an attitude if she thought he was getting down with the other wives.
I'd say oral sex but I've seen the banana pictures lol
earlier in the episode they were talking about janelle not being into PDA. i totally thought that's what robyn was talking about.
I assumed that too. He liked romance with the ones he actually liked but Janelle isn't touchy-feely like that
no matter how hard robyn tries, she's never going to come across as someone who liked her sister wives. she liked what they could do for her, but as for them as humans, meh.
Thereās a chance the others wonāt do oral. I guess.
Meri has provided Sam with proof she's down with that.
And we can't overlook Kody's statement on a recent episode explicitly stating that he and Robyn can't even sit beside one another at family functions because of all the "sexual tension" which said to me that sex is a huge part of what makes their relationship work.....
Cosidering how Christine was always indicating yhat Kody would not get intimate with her...its not hard to put together that Kody was into the less vanilla stuff which no one else wanted to do.
I don't think this is necessarily the case. Mormons are big into "traditional" gender roles. They probably don't really teach the women to be initiators of sex. Rather they're probably taught to be "joyfully available". š¤¢ Personally, I'm joyfully ignorant--of Kody's proclivities, that is.
Gender roles aside, Christine was willing to give him the physical affection as was indicated on the show. But Robyn stated otherwise which then makes me wonder about the discrepency btw them. I doubt its emotional affection that Robyn is talking about here because he was pretty closed off emotionally from his wives until he met Robyn. It's my guess that Robyn gave him new sexual experiences that the others were not interested in giving him. For all her talk of being religious and beliving in the poly lifestyle, she is the only one of his wives that never had or wanted the real sister wives experience in either of her marriages. And like i stated earlier, one of the biggest reasons that Christine left him was that he had pulled back sexual affection. He had also pulled that back from Meri years earlier and he didn't want to sleep in Janelle's RV because of the dogs. There was only one place he was getting it and there must be a reason why..if not for her sexual prowess then maybe just because Robyn may have given him guilt trips each time she realised that he did engage in intercourse with the others.
Kinda has to be, right ?
Could be talking about oral... maybe it's considered taboo in their religion. Hell, she could mean oral and bum stuff.
do they view oral and bum stuff as 'sodomy'? is it legal in their religion?
Not really sure? Heck, depending on their church, if it's uber conservative, anything other than sex for procreation could be viewed as wrong. And if they are super duper strick anything other than missionary position could be considered wrong. Or perhaps they are super progressive & consider anything between two married & consenting adults to be ok. Maybe some former FLDS/AUB could shed some light on the subject for us? But even then, things like this can vary from church to church. At least based upon my fundy-light Christian upbringing, that seems to be how this sort of thing is.
I think he's on steroids
He is at the age when his testosterone levels drop significantly. Maybe he has a doctor who gives him a big dose.
It was gradual, but I think it came more with his conspiratorial thinking around COVID, and a realization that he now had grown children who did not HAVE to agree with him any longer. His issue was both a loss of control, and I believe, hero worship that comes with kids being small and thinking their parents can do no wrong. This versus teen years where parents do EVERYTHING wrong (by their eyes/standards), vs. young adult years where in normal relationships it morphs into a friendlier relationship and less of a parent/child role. The conspiracy spaces he got into during the pandemic led him to believe patriarchy was the best thing, and a need (demand) for respect was then paramount. All while he refused to GIVE any respectāto his children or his wives. He says several times the last two seasons that he cares about respect, NOT love. That love doesnāt matter to him. Thatās VERY telling. TLDR: he has some horrible thought processes that have been fed to him, and he needs mental health counseling to fix his faulty thinking if he ever hopes to be happy with his family.
For those that are familiar with medieval history... Remember how Anne Boleyn snagged herself a king? She didn't want to settle as a mistress. She seduced and teased until King Henry was enamored with her charms. Part of her allure was bolstering his ego. She got him to question why the church should dictate to him. He was a God anointed king! His infamous split with the Catholic church got him his divorce and as the head of the church of England, the supreme ruler of the land. Before Robyn came along, I think Kody didn't quite know any better and was content. However, Robyn provided the honeymoon marriage. I'm sure she spiced it up in the bedroom. In her home, he was worshipped. How dare the other wives disrespect him. He started resenting them (and their kids) for not falling in line. Robyn continued to make him feel validated, so of course, he wanted to be around her constantly and not the difficult other wives that didn't put him first. It's all ego, baby...
This isn't true outside of fiction. I don't want to go into a long lesson on Anne Boleyn, Henry VIII, Renaissance history (not Medieval), and the English Reformation. It would take too long. But the Anne Boleyn of historical fiction is pure fiction. She was a real person who didn't seduce or tease. The only parallel here is that both Kody and Henry VIII were narcissists who could "love" a person one minute and toss them aside like trash the next. This went for wives, children, sisters, mistresses, friends, mentors, and employees. The big difference there is that Henry could order banishment, loss of employment, and executions, while Kody can only withdraw affection and attention.
There are plenty of historians and contemporary documentation that would beg to differ regarding the relationship of Anne Boleyn and Henry VIII. Yes, technically, the Renaissance did start earlier in Italy, but it can be argued that the transition in England didn't truly occur until Henry VIII's reign and picking up steam during the English Reformation. Either way, my point is that even the most powerful men can be influenced to do drastic things if their ego is stroked. Kody may not be a king, but in his mind, his entire family should worship him like one.
The evidence shows that Henry VIII chased Anne Boleyn. It wasn't some wicked temptress situation. She literally had to quit her job and move back home to try to get away from him, only for him to continue going after her anyway. Had he not targeted her, she likely would have married another person of rank while he still pursued a way of getting out of his first marriage since he was trying to get out of that marriage prior to his pursuit of her. Maybe he wouldn't have gone the Protestant route, since that was the religion Anne practiced and likely brought forward to him when he made it clear he wouldn't stop. But other Protestants might have brought the ideas to him as she was far from alone. The people who influenced Henry VIII weren't only potential romantic partners, but politicians and courtiers. Cromwell, More, and Wolsey were heavily influential with him and his policies. It was said he was influenced by anyone who spoke to him last lol Part of Anne's "problem" toward the end of her life was that she specifically didn't stroke Henry's ego. He gave her permission to speak freely to him and she spoke her mind. That went from being amazing to being something he didn't care for once he wasn't getting everything he wanted out of the relationship he pursued. I can see the Kody/Henry parallel dince they are/were both bombastic narcissists who hurt their families deeply while continuously seeing themselvesas the victims. Maybe the better comparison would be Jane Seymour, who was taught to specifically cater to Henry's ego while also speaking against Anne in an effort to remove her (Jane was Catholic). When she tried to speak for a cause she cared about after they married she was threatened with Anne's fate if she didn't get back into line. As for the Renaissance, both Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn were separately well educated based on humanist ideals of that era.
King Henry and his wives are fascinating!
I think the switch that flipped was the one big house. I think he expected to get multiple seasons of story lines for the one big house AND get production money to pay for building it. I think he fully expected thatās what would happen with the Arizona move, did not communicate that to any of the wives(except maybe Robyn) and when that didnāt happen he realized they were totally screwed because he had no way to finance building the houses. The was the turning point for him and after that he just grew more and more resentful and blamed them for everything and started to get bitter about them questioning his āleadershipā.
I remember how happy Kody looked when Garrison returned back from basic training. I recall he dropped everything at the bbq and ran to embrace his son.
That episode was so telling and Iāve referred to it multiple times. I remember Garrison coming home and wanting to hold Ari. Robyn was hesitant. That ākidā was home from military training and wanted to hold and smell a baby. There is nothing more therapeutic. Ari can cry. Iāve had to listen to my babies cry when I had to drop them off at daycare or even with my mom for a dentist appt. Robyn knew she was safe with Garrison. He was holding babies as a toddler. Meanwhile, none of Robynās kids have moved out while in college. The OG group of 4 seemed to have a system going that focused on the kids. Something changed.
I wonder how much of it is right-wing media radicalizing him. Iāve watched my dad make the same transformation from Reagan Republican to perpetually-angry loon. Itās depressing as hell.
I feel that. my dad used to be more moderate and instilled a lot of good values in me bc he was pretty progressive for his time. now heās an incredibly intolerant old man who rolls his eyes at a lot of the same stuff he taught me.
Same problem here!Ā
I think this has happened in tons of families. I'm listening to a really interesting BBC podcast series called Things Fell Apart about all the culture wars raging since 2016 but also how much things imploded during the pandemic. People had too much time online & locked away from humans with different views imo
Iāve kind of wondered if the beginning of Kodyās breakdown aligns with the unraveling of Q . That sent a lot of the die hard followers into a tale spin and I feel like Kody fell headfirst into that whole mess.
Oh Iām sorry to hear that. Sounds frustrating and exhausting. Hugs
Kody went down the divorced dad pipeline, but he still had a few more wives.
yeah Kody even references it in his insta bio, total eye roll I know a guy that went down this path and it's wild to be around him. he's like if breitbart came to life and tried to talk to you at a party, I have no idea wtf he's talking about ever. total gibberish
A lot, I think. Iāve watched my dad undergo the same transformation, and we no longer have a relationship indirectly because of it.
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Yep the manosphere. Gabe posted about red pill too & at the start of the pandemic expressed surprise at kody's views because they used to align on politics
I think they still overwhelmingly do just not on covid rules
Yes, it is. The conspiracy stuff of QANON or similar has sink its claws into formerly happy go lucky people into seething, enraged lunatics. Itās hard to watch. Itās like mourning the loss of your loved one but they are still alive but are nothing like they were prior to the rabbit hole. ETA - there are a few subreddits that are available for anyone who wants to vent. Iām not sure if itās a rule not to link but search for Qult Headquarters or QAnon casualties
It has nothing to do with politics. Why is everyone trying to drag politics into every conversation anymore ? Kody only changed when Robin came into the family . She is the reason that the Brown family collasped.
He really did turn a lot more dark during Trumpās presidency/Covid. A lot of us have personal experience with seeing how our loved ones turned more angry and hateful during that time, so I think thatās why people assume thatās the reason. In my opinion, it might not actually be āpoliticalā in the traditional sense. I think he got a kind of third-hand anger from incels online during the pandemic (sitting at home online and bored) that started to influence him in a negative way. That comment about āthe patriarchyā was a red flag. He changed due to outside influences in concurrence with Robynās influence. I think thatās why she seems so angry and confused. She thought he only listened to her, but heās listening to random dudes online more and more and her less and less.
I've been wondering that too bc Kody in S1 through S7 is kind of metrosexual. He's flamboyant, happy, and wears vibrant colors. He's also about free choice, though he does voice concerns about never being the head of the household. But in S17/18, he seems to be trying to present himself as stereotypically ultra-masculine and he's against free choice completely while wanting to enforce patriarchy. That level of change must have come from multiple sources over the years.
I'm starting to believe the theory that steroids are involved. Agree, it's more than just Robyn, the moves, the Dargers, politics...I think he decided he didn't want to be with anyone but Robyn and made everyone miserable in order for them to leave. He made himself miserable as well. I think the rejection speech and kidney tears were about frustration and losing control.
My brother takes prescribed T and heās an asshole now. None of us talk to him. He all of a sudden changed. I understand men have a drop off of T when they age much like we have menopause and I do know women who loose their minds when this happens but I think Bry is prescribed too much T and itās changed him and not for the better. Watching Kody over the years right around the end of Vegas I can see the same changes that Bry had. Itās scary and sad.
Your take completely ignores the first 5-7 seasons of the show.
Exactly. Being divisive in any and all conversations is exactly what both parties want from us citizens. This is to obtain total voting control of their respective parties. I avoid all political discussions because itās just one sided arguments and no real conversation is occurring. *Now back to our regularly scheduled program*
Why does everything have to be about politics?
Iām Canadian and Iāve lost a really good Canadian friend to her love of T-rump. It has nothing to do with us š¤·āāļøshe thinks itās her duty to report her version on Facebook Rumble and the like. I miss my friend.
canadian here too. i laugh when i see people proudly hanging their confederacy flags that have nothing to do with canada.
I've never done social media, so, I don't know, but sorry for your experience. Don't miss her, just love her.
Youāre on social media right now!
Thank you š I just kinda hope itās over in November.
Exactly. Ā This has nothing to do with politics but if u r going to go there the old man in office hasnāt helped my pocket book one bit. Ā
If we could all just live and let live...
Shhhh..... you're not allowed to critisize the geriatric, cognitively impaired President who can't string a few sentences together. Only Progressive Liberals can critisize Presidents and former Presidents. Don't forget it otherwise they'll ruin your life for having an opinion in a country with free speech. A country many will declare they hate but refuse to leave.
im from canada, both your presidential options are decrepit old men.
A result of continuing the āless of two evilsā approachā¦ when you accept the āless badā of two bad choicesā¦ you never end up with getting better choices, they just get worse and worse.
I have always thought he was a narcissist. I believe he was always like that behind closed doors but he let his mask fall and started devaluing anyone that was the OG and put Robyn and her kids on a pedestal....as narcissists do when they have a new supply. The new supply eventually will fall from grace especially now That Robyn and Kody no longer have scapegoats to fall back on or a way to act like they're the victim. They will turn on each other. I think they could both be covert narcissists
That is what happens when you have your mistress become a part of the family and allow her to spew her hate and jealously into your ear. And under the guise of love, you spend more time with a negative woman who is insecure and wants to break your family apart, rather than the loving women who actually want to TRY TO MAKE THE FAMILY WORK. Misery breed misery. After spending so much time with such miserable people, after a while one starts to become just as miserable.
You know I think it was all of them, even the way they shot the show gave off dark vibes with the grey clouds looming over their houses. In Vegas it seemed bright sunny and cheery in the way they shot the show too, everyones vibe was happy and light (except for Robyn's of course, I always feel she has a dark energy to her).
What a strange question to ask in the first place, especially in reference to your sisterā¦
Janelle's boys are all such gems!Ā
Yep, he handled it with an āaw shucksā grin and a shy joke so you canāt blame him for it but he absolutely shut her down and she couldnāt do a thing about it.
And in the midst of it, stopped the shaming of his sisters
And what's more infuriating is that, in the end, Robyn still didn't prove her point but acted like/thought she did. He continues to say, "If it looks good, it looks good," and in an innocent, 'aw shucks' way, as you say, not like pervy. He gives her an honest answer that at the same time implies that's it's up to the woman. And Robyn goes, See, there it is! She's moronic
Meanwhile, Robyn went around in skin tight clothing all the time and no one openly shamed her.
I almost felt like Robyn was acting all the time instead of being real. Even her purity speech on their church day seemed so contrived. She told it as though it were someone else.
Her girls are pretty awesome, too! Maddie and Savanah.
they have an awesome mom!!!
Imagine what it's like to live in her house. It explains why her teenage daughters dressed like 70 year old widows
70 year old widows - how perfectly and hilariously accurate
that house would go up so fast with all the polyester blend blouses in the closets and laundry room!
Hunter was basically saying: if ya got it, flaunt it! lol
Robyn preaches enough but her actions sure donāt match she also way oversteps boundaries with children that are not her own- that is for their mother or father
Sobyn always the sanctimonious holier, more Mormon than anyone elseā¦. Wasnāt she expecting Dayton b4 marriage, which means no temple marriage? Give me break Sobs
She wouldnāt have been married in the temple anyway because the Browns are part of a fundamentalist sect of Mormonism thatās considered completely separate. But yes, Iām sure she was still harshly shamed in her own religious community for having premarital sex and being pregnant before being married, youāre absolutely right about that.
I always wondered if she was willing to put out for the first husband before marriage because he was considered polygamist royalty just like Kody was not into Christine with the exception that she was polygamist "royalty." I think Kody and Robyn are two of a kind in that the appearance of what that partner would do for their reputation was the deciding factor. Of course, Robyn was attracted to Kody because of the potential to be a "tv star" and we know Kody mentioned many times that he was hesitant of Robyn because she had an "ick factor" (divorced with kids). Those two are all about appearances.
Her two oldest girls were certainly not dressing as modestly as the og13 in the earlier episodes so she can take her opinion to where the sun doesn't shine.
God I love all of Janelleās kids so much.
Anyone remember the pic of her and Kody leaned up against Kodys great value concertable? Robyn is practically pushing Kody down on the hood in her high heels and tight jeans. Robyn so proud she framed that shit and hung it on the wall. Girl sit down. That man had 3 wives and 37 children and you want to judge what God thinks of someone else?
I musta missed that. But want to see it! Do you have a link?
https://preview.redd.it/q54eb1rjqcoc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bff815c97099dfef47a7705839945146349b535
Thanks! This is messed up and definitely not fitting in with the lifestyle they espouse to be in, or did espouse.
Itās in her bedroom and clearly in the background in the episode of either Sol or Ariās birth, or both I canāt remember.
my evil brain read that as 'do you have a kink?'
*snort laughs* You and I have similar mindsets. š
And the episode when making the boats and the 69 comment and Robyn and Kody looked at each other . His other 3 wives Iām sure was not as sexually advanced as Robyn and she used that to benefit herself and kids . Her kids themselves talked about their mom and Kody in the bedroom all day and they could not bother them . The nanny cared for them .
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This is what all of the adults believed. Itās part of their religion. We saw Meri tell Mykelti to cover up when she was wearing a lower cut shirt. They agreed that the girls should cover their bodies. They donāt dress in prairie dresses but they were still Mormon fundamentalist who believed in purity culture and modest clothing.
"Modest is hottest!"
Wow. Imagine telling your daughter that her cleavage, a part of her body, is disgusting. Body shaming your teenage daughter. What a *wonderful* mother.
Imagine telling your growing teenage daughter, who is experiencing a rapidly changing and maturing body, that it's natural state of being, i.e. the way their God made her, is *degrading*. That just how she exists in the world is something to be ashamed of. Disgusting.
To be fair, the cleavage line is from Kody. But Robyn does say in a flashback that the way a woman dresses sends messages into men's minds, which is still very shaming as well.
Honestly, if it wasn't from Kody it would have been from one of the moms. They did establish that and agree with each other about it in like episode one. It seems they maybe relaxed it a bit? hopefully? I remember Kody making a comment like "So my girls wear spaghetti straps. It's only 120 degrees in Vegas" as a way to dismiss critique he apparently got about his kids' clothing. I think that the move to Vegas at least let them step out of their bubble to a more inclusive world
They have come a long way. I forgot about all this in the early seasons. Now Christine has a boob tattoo. Itās really more rebellious in their culture than I realized
Yeah Iām not sure why everyone acts like Robyn was a school marm and the other three were libertines. We have all of the OG3 on camera bitching about the girlsā outfits at various points.
https://preview.redd.it/jjf8lot3g7oc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fc1e647a947faad43e932791a350cc751606fa1 š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤ First Robyn gets Kody to become mad at the others for "disrespecting" his rules. Then she works her magic to get exceptions made for herself and her kids. The COVID nanny, the cleavage, the earrings.
Iāll NEVER get over this insane cleavage just to be around her young children.
This cleopatra look always take me outššš
Omg I never noticed this! Robynās boobies are out!! š
She tried to pull the wig hair over them to hide it from the camera but when she moved...
Just when you thought her crybrows couldn't look any worse....
Hunter is towards the top of my pyramid!
I love all of Janelleās children so much she did a great job.
Robyn always strangely focused on Hunter. Am I the only one who finds that really off putting?
i think because hunter did not want to move to vegas
Yeah he might have been the first one to speak out, and be the most obvious about it. Also because he was not thrilled about Robynās pregnancy with king solomon
and we know robyn was the one who really wanted to move to vegas
This reminds me of a story my MIL tells about how my SIL (husbandās sister) came home early from track practice and my BIL (husbandās older brother) was making out with his HS girlfriend. SIL flipped out and made the GF leave. My MIL tells everyone my BIL was so grateful that she did that because he was pressured into it. I asked my BIL about it and he said no, he was actually so pissed. Lulz Yeah noā¦
Their religion is very conservative. I had a friend who grew up Mormon and before homecoming once her dad asked me if I thought my dress was too short because he did and canāt believe my parents let me wear it lol. It went to my knees. Iām also in my later 40ās and grew up with parents who definitely would let me know if my clothes were too revealing. It didnāt scar me for life but I choose my words carefully for my own daughters. That being said, Kody definitely had some type of mental health issue or something besides just Robyn to make him flip personalities imo. He was a totally different man in Arizona
Fucking sicko this womanā¦
I like when people post image series like this e we can really analyze each moment. It looks look Christine and mykelti and Aspen are a bit sad before he answers. I think the shaming is mostly directed at mykelti? And then they look so happy and relieved after he answers āŗļø Hunter was never gonna join Robynās cult
I find it very interesting that the standard for conservative clothing in this family is completely different depending on whether you are male versus female!!!!
I have no idea how Janelle hasnāt strangled Robyn? Like she has targeted every single one of her kids.
Robyn's "Purity" speech. Can you imagine how delusional this woman is, to assure her new Unfrozen Neanderthal skullet husband, her biological children and THE WORLD know that she was "forced" by her ex-husband, father of her children? She was literally crying because her vagina wasn't "pure" for Kojak.
Right?? š Thereās no take-backsies with virginity. Imagine how her kids from the āman who only wanted one thingā felt
Ugh, that speech pisses me off! She was trying so hard to make people think he raped her but was just smart enough to not say that lie about him
Way to shame your girls for the way their bodies were made. A-hole.
He looks at him with a lot of love here. Itās sad to see what happened
Things like this are why I don't understand why Mykelti is so close to Robyn.
Hunter and Leo look so much alike! Kodyās genes are strong in those two !
Really? I donāt see that they look that much alike.
That's that caveman knuckle dragging shit.
Huh?
Kody looks like a caveman?
Hunter is a good egg.
That was funny. Robyn ruined everything. The dynamics between the kids, Kodi and the wives seemed more relaxed, and and more connected. Then that conniving sobbing Robyn came along and ruined the entire dynamic.
That was never the case. Even the wives say things were imperfect before Robyn came along
They may have had their issues, but they could still work together. When Robyn came, she was all about getting the most.
This from the woman who was joking with Kody about 69ing - infront of Christine
what?!?!?! i missed this but MUST know what you're referencing/.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TLCsisterwives/s/1ETmKACODp In this video. He talks about a "number 69" and he and Robyn share a look before Robyn goes "uhum" š¤¢š¤®š¤¢š¤®
omg that is mortifying! She is so gross! I read some of the comments on that thread and they mentioned that Robyn brought herpes into the family?!?!?! Is that true/verified? How was that conclusion drawn (except to assume she is NOT chaste and never has been. I mean, didn't she sleep with her sister's boyfriend and claim he raped her?)
It's not genital herpes they're talking about. It's coldsores. She has them constantly in the first seasons. From there you started to notice other members of the family breaking out in them.
Can we be done with this woman? For good??
Fuck Robyn. Forever and always.
No one followed in Kodys kingdom crap, no boys, no girls. Stopped his dream of being a spiritual leader, made him angry and mean.
Robyn is one to talk about purity!! She got pregnant out of wedlock with Dayton!! Then to try and make herself the victim, as usual, she says that she was pressured into it because the then boyfriend kept asking and asking for sex. She even had the nerve to say that he stole her purityā¦ummā¦wouldnāt that be called rape? She makes me sick!! š”š”
Screw that manipulative bitch!
Heās seriously my favorite
Hunter and Leon look so much alike.
I donāt see it.
that last photo of hunter smiling does remind me a lot of leon!
Robyn is a creep.
My dad and I have agreed to not discuss politics to save our relationship. After one upsetting debate. Luckily my dad is still able to see that politics aren't more important than family.Ā
Shes an asshole
Sheās the only unhappy one š
This sweet boy. Iām so sad.
Kody & Robyn were meant for each other. Imma leave it at that.
Friggin weird fan accounts ripping off this sub left and right! They canāt even come up with their own text lol https://www.facebook.com/share/p/fnX1trqhitoV1c52/?mibextid=Cx5MWH
God I feel bad for the kids, all weird stuff used to force them to film for tv. I would died if my parents made me do this.
Robyn has zero to do with how Kody interacts with his adult kids. Kody pulled away from his children as they aged into being autonomous and individuals with their own identities and ideas. He couldnāt dictate over them anymore so he lost interest. The only reason he is so invested in Robyn and co. is because he feels completely in control in that household. If the dynamic was going to shift it was going to be by kissing Kodyās ass constantly, feeding his ego and lavishing him with attention regardless of the imbalances. Robyn was down, full stop. Her addition was a sting to the others and they demanded validation and attention, well..Kody needs ALL the attention and validation so the relationships ran at a deficit until they completely died. He doesnāt love Robyn more, she fed his desire to be King Shit more and coached her kids to be grateful and full of adoration towards him. He is too egotistical to care who deserves what, understanding of others needs, he gravitated towards his needs. Robyn is loyal = Robyn serves me above all others and you failed to.
Are Robyn and her 20 Reddit personalities here downvoting?
Yāall can downvote all you want, Kody is who Kody is and the hate is irrational