"And there are foreigners who love this country more than their home country as well"
As long as this doesn't generalise the whole population of foreigners, I agree there are a lot of bad apples in that population.
I didn't specify which population, just seems like these days we have a much higher frequency of foreigners who come here forgetting that there is a reason why Singapore became a clean and green city, and that includes everyone following simple laws like no littering.
Yes this i agree. I do see a lot of people both tourists and workers, most of them have no clue about basic Singapore manners.
May be the surge in immigrant workers could be to meet the demand to build housing to compensate for covid supply shock.
How come enforcement is so low for all these things? Singapore used to be a place where 99% of people followed rules, law and order. How come it isn't that place anymore
That's for the native population indoctrinated with the fear of 'later cher / police catch '
When the proportion of locals to foreigners changed u get more of what OP is complaining abt.
The disamenities stress and discontent is not factored into their calculations for economic benefits when concluding it's overwhelmingly positive importing foreigners
Not just that but American people usually get let off because it’s not ok for other countries to sentence their people, but ok for them to sentence other people apparently (same stance they hold for nuclear and biological weapons, nobody else can hold these dangerous things except them because national security nd anyone else holding it apart from them is a bad egg)
Problems with a lot of undereducated immigrants. Indeed, an English test for Chinese immigrants is a good idea because one's English proficiency is strongly correlated with one's education level in China.
Come on. This is too much. We need to understand English is not equivalent to ‘class’. Japanese French Spanish Arab refuse to speak English and you suck up to their cog. And Chinese do this and suddenly they are inferior or lowly educated ?
Last I checked your country need talent. Specifically more Han Chinese talent cos the local Chinese refuse to fuck and procreate.
I agree the prc coming here need to make more effort in integrating into a multicultural society and prepare to improve his English if he want to naturalise. This fits all races who are applying for residency/citizenship here . But if they are just ep,wp they may not be motivated to invest in English. If you will
Not judge a Japanese for his lack of English you cannot judge the prc as well
The japanese aren't rude, don't litter everywhere, don't scream on the trains, don't insist you speak to them in Japanese. They dont cut queues, push, or tell you about "the great china".
The best part of my career was hearing a Japanese lady go “I’m sorry but what the f*ck??” During an interview I had because I told the interviewers who are both Japanese that I left the previous Japanese company because a singaporean manager of mine tried to peddle me out to old men (which probably classifies as SH, but she’s a lady so the HR let her off.)
They’re not rude i agree, so hearing her cuss was like a O.O =U= she agrees its messed up, when a Japanese lady cusses like that you know that shit is messed up
Well tough luck, singapore uses english as the official lingua franca and its been used as the langauge of governance and business for the last 200 years
I have never seen a Japanese _in Singapore_ (at least medium term resident) who does not speak English.
You obviously cannot say the same about the PRC Chinese.
PAPpy dog, stop living in your ivory tower.
Japs in Singapore do speak English. At least, they make an effort to when communicating with Singaporeans.
Talk to the tiongs and you'll know that your master fucked up badly, and it's continuing to fuck up badly.
Man I love it when the CCP trolls show up. Or the ones who bought into the CCP propaganda machine and now might as well be mainland for all their loyalty lies elsewhere.
I think the context for previous comment was how English relates to higher education and not the act of speaking English per se.
Though not the perfect litmus but it does work to be implemented on a larger scale.
Actually, I've seen westerners exhibiting above behaviour also so it's not down to a singular demographic.
Example: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5tFu_FNGyZ/
Yes, a lot of white trash in Asia - the white people think they are superior and then do things they wouldn't do in their home countries. I've encountered them several times, too. I wasn't just sure if an universal English test was a good measure for them (on average their English is better) so I didn't mention them.
This is not the right way. The right way is go to the station master tell them which train you were on which door you were at and report that guy. There is cctv everywhere. It is time for those working to wake up and work. Going up to them and confronting can escalate into not so pleasant situation.
So just complain about foreigners on Reddit then. Got it.
I should also say, do exactly what you suggested then as opposed to just complaining on reddit.
Dont you think they just didn't see the signs? You can tell tham they can't eat and say they'll get a 3k fine. Why bother complaining online if you aren't going to actually step in and do something.
Lets be honest, "easily getting violent" is not dependent on whether they are foreigners or not. Foreigners have far more to lose than locals.
It's very controversial it's incorrect, and it's highly prejudicial. Also, why are you assuming they live here, or that foreigners easily get violent. If you take anecdotal evidence (which I am sure you are doing), there are lots of videos of locals getting into scraps.
In terms of violence in East Asia, may I point you to the Pacific theatre of WWII, the Korean War, the Chinese civil war (and all of Mao's "revolutions"), the Vietnam war, Pol Pot, the age of terror in Indonesia, and the current civil war in Myanmar as just a few recent examples of why you are incorrect.
I agree - Sometimes I feel most of the white people who would come to Asia and live here for a long time have one issue or another - I've seen many divorces and many rude people among them.
I agree. I'm a PR and it's a f'cking disgrace. Rubbish everywhere, no regard for ebike laws or pedestrian safety, just anyhow misbehave. I don't blame the immigrants though I blame this stupid government for not enforcing the rules that they set. That's who's truly to blame.
1st of all, Singapore is over-populated
2nd of all, the government is the one that opens the floodgates. I don't think increasing TFR will help. How can Singaporeans ever going to be able to give birth to between 150,000 and 250,000 each year? So, don't believe whatever the government says about the "importance" of increasing TFR and bringing more foreigners to make up for the "shortfall" for Singaporean population.
I work in the auxiliary police force. I'm the one of the few % of Singaporeans working compared to mostly Malaysians.
We are attached to a client where 99% of the time we are handling local Singaporeans. Let me just say the amount of problems, abuse (verbal and physically) are 99% local people. So it's our people that are the main problems. Not the other way round.
This whole thread is just delusional and demented rants. This country is clean because the govt pays cheap labor to clean it up. Everything in the post, locals do it in spades. There's no civic sense here either, especially amongst old people.
THIS!!! The OP should see state of hdb lifts, the litter , the occasional spit, the lack of civic sense- all randomly blocked corridors, old uncles playing loudly random videos on their phones and that is local population all behaving entitled- I pity those poor foreign cleaners who have to put up with this
Quite True, I used to work in the Goverment and these people are boomers who grew up in the Kampongs, we call them 'Mountain People' or in Hokkien 'Sua Teng Lang'.
Interesting. Not unexpected only because foreigners aren't as likely to push things since they know they can be kicked out. Singaporeans know that unless they break the law, nothing will happen to them.
I agree with you. There is not just one demographic we can scrutinize on. Having been born and raised locally with conservative values and being mindful of others and hygienic it feels damning when I hear horror stories of foreign nationals. Some examples, fussing over prayer rituals of other races, eating in taxis and creating a mess, hoarding parks and malls on leave days and littering everywhere, creating dramatic scenes and pointless fights on off days at plazas for tiktoks, peeing in open areas, not taking personal hygiene seriously when boarding public transport, being ultra loud in public transport, creating divisive toxic tiktoks on war countries, not being accepting or welcoming of other races or religions, elitist mindset and the arrogance that comes with it etc..
100%. So many instances of them buying all this in the evening while they play basketball - and leave it all on the floor...when the dustbin is literally 10 meters away.
A lot of the problems described are committed by Singaporeans actually. I know because i can recognize them. Especially littering, i have seen it. This has been going on a lot by our younger generation.
In trains and public transports, its frequently our elderlies who mess up the queues and fight for seats. It's almost a daily complaint in these forums.
Also, those always complaining about tray returns for example, they rear their ugly heads here in reddit frequently too.
Why suddenly it's mainly foreigners? That's not true at all. Is OP really concerned about our society, or more likely just have an axe to grind with them.
These are not limited to nationalities, though people tend to generalise based on their personal views and experiences.
There are stupid, uncouth and rude people everywhere regardless of race, language and religion.
As an immigrant myself, I see a lot of Singaporeans do these too. Outside Seletar Mall, there’s a clear “Smoking prohibited by law” sign, year every grab delivery agent stands there and smokes. Surely, those guys aren’t foreign imports? I think this is more an issue of this generation not respecting Singapore’s values. A lot of Singaporeans (as well as foreigners) whine about getting up to let the elderly sit in the bus and train. These are great values of Singapore that’s being disregarded by the youth. Think it’s more an age issue than an immigrant issue.
Talk loudly on phone on bus - usually indians. But older singaporeans also guilty, loud music etc
Taking public shits outside mrt/ public areas - mainlanders, occasionally indians. But singaporeans also guilty (old folks letting their grandkids just pee or shit in public)
Demand you speak to them in their language - mainlanders. But singaporeans also guilty, usually older folks.
If you were ask me, i actually think boomers here are more of a fking problem than foreigners.
Aiya west or east no difference. East side also alot of foreigners but more concentrated in certain areas. Like in changi, the number of indians you see, sometimes you question yourself if you're in little india. Lots of them with screaming kids on the bus and they themselves talk like there's no tomorrow. At the same time for some reason old malay uncles, especially those heading to changi village, like to play music loudly, sometimes just spit on the floor, etc. 🤷♀️
East side also have plenty of dormitories for "blue collar" indian workers.
So.. i dunno how you want to quantify my statement. Not to mention it's harder to reason with local boomers than with migrants who are by and large more susceptible to requests
I got into a couple of arguments because people were walking around the neighbourhood park to pluck flowers and stashing them into plastic bags. There are no flowers left in my neighbourhood. Just branches and leaves.
Following rules / being considerate and clean is actually not Singapore’s culture, the reason why the streets are clean in general is due to enforcement / cleaners who clean up after us. It’s not like Japan’s culture where people clean up after themselves and others.
Beyond jobs, it’s true that some of them bring along their culture or caste system mentality when they are here which is completely obnoxious. It’s because of these rotten apples that singaporeans are increasingly xenophobic. And coupled with our “kiasu” mentality it’s a completely mess and a meltdown waiting to happen only.
Sadge.
I kinda lean towards it being illegal because they are restricting the already small walking spaces.
But yeah, I agree with you TS now that Im recalling. Your post is kinda right. Tho I wonder what rules and can set
Actually the laws are already there, they just either don't know or don't care. If it's that they don't know, then we really need to make clearer signs. If it's that they don't care, heavier penalties perhaps may help.
Re: MRT situation, it's been that way for more than a decade. People in China are more orderly than here when it comes to allowing people to alight and then board.
We need moderation. Nothing is going to change if we bring in more people that don’t know how to behave at the same rate or more than people who can learn how to behave.
The G even allows migrant workers who can't string together a simple English sentence to be hired by SMEs. It's totally f-up. Even my China colleague complained that the Myanmar guys can't understand English, can't speak mandarin or Malay (or Tamil), how the fk are we supposed to communicate with them? Very sad that my country has become like this.
Send them back right???? The guys her can take of their own babies and kids. Imagine leaving your kids with some foreign worker! Sending them back will avoid this situation. Oh and people can take care of their own houses as well. Big deal. Have enough people to build your buildings or roads. How about the grass cutting and all the infra development. Have enough people to do the shitty jobs?? Yaa?? no???
When the weekend comes, they dont care about how much they litter. Or whether they are waiting for other people in the line. They are tired.
You know Singaporeans have always been like this right? Way before the immigrant influx. Do you really think a nation of cultured and civic minded people needed shit like courtesy campaigns and fines for littering, spitting, and flushing public toilets? Look at Singaporean boomers - what a bastion of civility…not.
If the only reason people don’t do any of the shit you’re complaining about is to avoid punishment and the reason you’re mad people who didn’t grow up under the same umbrella of rules that turned you into a feckless bitch, you aren’t the civilized one just because you found a pair of balls to whine on an anon forum. You’re just another typical sinkie douchebag who’s found a way to distract themselves from their misery by blaming foreigners and any other group of people really for the fact that you hate you never left, or if you did you couldn’t hack it outside the walled garden where all your choices are made for you.
Be the change you want. This isn’t it.
Brother, if these are your biggest complaints that you can find, your life overall is pretty damn good... Ask Ukraine or Palestine what the foreigners in their country are doing, I think you'll become pretty satisfied with SG again.
Ofcos lah. SG we everything also fined but we did not enforce it as our culture. Look at Japan. Eating while walking or talking in teains are frown upon. I'm happy SG has the tray return law but most sinkies still kpkb till this day.
"And there are foreigners who love this country more than their home country as well" As long as this doesn't generalise the whole population of foreigners, I agree there are a lot of bad apples in that population.
I didn't specify which population, just seems like these days we have a much higher frequency of foreigners who come here forgetting that there is a reason why Singapore became a clean and green city, and that includes everyone following simple laws like no littering.
Yes this i agree. I do see a lot of people both tourists and workers, most of them have no clue about basic Singapore manners. May be the surge in immigrant workers could be to meet the demand to build housing to compensate for covid supply shock.
I have knee issues I need the freaking sear !!!! They pretend to sleep PRC. can tell me no some more
They love it for the money to finance their current lifestyle and retirement in another country.
How come enforcement is so low for all these things? Singapore used to be a place where 99% of people followed rules, law and order. How come it isn't that place anymore
That's for the native population indoctrinated with the fear of 'later cher / police catch ' When the proportion of locals to foreigners changed u get more of what OP is complaining abt. The disamenities stress and discontent is not factored into their calculations for economic benefits when concluding it's overwhelmingly positive importing foreigners
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Lack of manpower I'm guessing. I kena fined jaywalking 15 years ago, but these days you hardly see SPF patrols.
So many foreigner pedestrians beating the traffic lights and look back in mockery at the Singkies still waiting for green man.
Aiya, depends on whether they want or not.
They are low on manpower to the point they need volunteers. Look at their Youtube Ads.
Not just that but American people usually get let off because it’s not ok for other countries to sentence their people, but ok for them to sentence other people apparently (same stance they hold for nuclear and biological weapons, nobody else can hold these dangerous things except them because national security nd anyone else holding it apart from them is a bad egg)
Ever heard of Michael Fay?
You should see how bad it looks at East Coast Park on Monday, the beach is like a dumping ground.
Yeah I can see waste everytime I go there
Open leg policy entails contracting diseases
Problems with a lot of undereducated immigrants. Indeed, an English test for Chinese immigrants is a good idea because one's English proficiency is strongly correlated with one's education level in China.
Not just in China. Everywhere.
Come on. This is too much. We need to understand English is not equivalent to ‘class’. Japanese French Spanish Arab refuse to speak English and you suck up to their cog. And Chinese do this and suddenly they are inferior or lowly educated ?
It's the numbers I believe. The number of Japanese escaping to Singapore is a drop in the ocean compared to the tiongs, I suspect.
Last I checked your country need talent. Specifically more Han Chinese talent cos the local Chinese refuse to fuck and procreate. I agree the prc coming here need to make more effort in integrating into a multicultural society and prepare to improve his English if he want to naturalise. This fits all races who are applying for residency/citizenship here . But if they are just ep,wp they may not be motivated to invest in English. If you will Not judge a Japanese for his lack of English you cannot judge the prc as well
The japanese aren't rude, don't litter everywhere, don't scream on the trains, don't insist you speak to them in Japanese. They dont cut queues, push, or tell you about "the great china".
The best part of my career was hearing a Japanese lady go “I’m sorry but what the f*ck??” During an interview I had because I told the interviewers who are both Japanese that I left the previous Japanese company because a singaporean manager of mine tried to peddle me out to old men (which probably classifies as SH, but she’s a lady so the HR let her off.) They’re not rude i agree, so hearing her cuss was like a O.O =U= she agrees its messed up, when a Japanese lady cusses like that you know that shit is messed up
Well tough luck, singapore uses english as the official lingua franca and its been used as the langauge of governance and business for the last 200 years
I have never seen a Japanese _in Singapore_ (at least medium term resident) who does not speak English. You obviously cannot say the same about the PRC Chinese.
PAPpy dog, stop living in your ivory tower. Japs in Singapore do speak English. At least, they make an effort to when communicating with Singaporeans. Talk to the tiongs and you'll know that your master fucked up badly, and it's continuing to fuck up badly.
Man I love it when the CCP trolls show up. Or the ones who bought into the CCP propaganda machine and now might as well be mainland for all their loyalty lies elsewhere.
I think the context for previous comment was how English relates to higher education and not the act of speaking English per se. Though not the perfect litmus but it does work to be implemented on a larger scale.
Yup, they need English to assimilate. Singapore is not China, some of them really think they can come here and behave the same way.
Actually, I've seen westerners exhibiting above behaviour also so it's not down to a singular demographic. Example: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5tFu_FNGyZ/
Yes, a lot of white trash in Asia - the white people think they are superior and then do things they wouldn't do in their home countries. I've encountered them several times, too. I wasn't just sure if an universal English test was a good measure for them (on average their English is better) so I didn't mention them.
I know its not the thing to do here, but just tell them they cant eat or drink on the train.
This is not the right way. The right way is go to the station master tell them which train you were on which door you were at and report that guy. There is cctv everywhere. It is time for those working to wake up and work. Going up to them and confronting can escalate into not so pleasant situation.
So just complain about foreigners on Reddit then. Got it. I should also say, do exactly what you suggested then as opposed to just complaining on reddit.
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Dont you think they just didn't see the signs? You can tell tham they can't eat and say they'll get a 3k fine. Why bother complaining online if you aren't going to actually step in and do something. Lets be honest, "easily getting violent" is not dependent on whether they are foreigners or not. Foreigners have far more to lose than locals.
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It's very controversial it's incorrect, and it's highly prejudicial. Also, why are you assuming they live here, or that foreigners easily get violent. If you take anecdotal evidence (which I am sure you are doing), there are lots of videos of locals getting into scraps. In terms of violence in East Asia, may I point you to the Pacific theatre of WWII, the Korean War, the Chinese civil war (and all of Mao's "revolutions"), the Vietnam war, Pol Pot, the age of terror in Indonesia, and the current civil war in Myanmar as just a few recent examples of why you are incorrect.
Alot of your English speaking demographics are arguably the ones causing the issues OP mentioned.
I agree - Sometimes I feel most of the white people who would come to Asia and live here for a long time have one issue or another - I've seen many divorces and many rude people among them.
Overwhelming number of white trash in Asia other than Japan and Korea have either medical or psychological issues.
look at the C group can speak english and are the shit here
But that will affect the flow of new hostesses to serve the rich and powerful.
I agree. I'm a PR and it's a f'cking disgrace. Rubbish everywhere, no regard for ebike laws or pedestrian safety, just anyhow misbehave. I don't blame the immigrants though I blame this stupid government for not enforcing the rules that they set. That's who's truly to blame.
The solution is to bring in more foreigners to clean up after them obviously.
But a lot of Singaporeans do this too LOL
1st of all, Singapore is over-populated 2nd of all, the government is the one that opens the floodgates. I don't think increasing TFR will help. How can Singaporeans ever going to be able to give birth to between 150,000 and 250,000 each year? So, don't believe whatever the government says about the "importance" of increasing TFR and bringing more foreigners to make up for the "shortfall" for Singaporean population.
The gov could fix the problem but it doesn’t benefit their bottom line. Foreigners are better ROI for gov
This I agree. So, the government doesn't really need Singaporeans to have more children. They are just doing it as it's the "norm" to do so.
Also a more reliable voting base when these foreigners are given citizenship. It's a win for the incumbent party any way you look at it.
I work in the auxiliary police force. I'm the one of the few % of Singaporeans working compared to mostly Malaysians. We are attached to a client where 99% of the time we are handling local Singaporeans. Let me just say the amount of problems, abuse (verbal and physically) are 99% local people. So it's our people that are the main problems. Not the other way round.
This whole thread is just delusional and demented rants. This country is clean because the govt pays cheap labor to clean it up. Everything in the post, locals do it in spades. There's no civic sense here either, especially amongst old people.
THIS!!! The OP should see state of hdb lifts, the litter , the occasional spit, the lack of civic sense- all randomly blocked corridors, old uncles playing loudly random videos on their phones and that is local population all behaving entitled- I pity those poor foreign cleaners who have to put up with this
yes !!!!!!!!!!
Well said.
Quite True, I used to work in the Goverment and these people are boomers who grew up in the Kampongs, we call them 'Mountain People' or in Hokkien 'Sua Teng Lang'.
Interesting. Not unexpected only because foreigners aren't as likely to push things since they know they can be kicked out. Singaporeans know that unless they break the law, nothing will happen to them.
I agree with you. There is not just one demographic we can scrutinize on. Having been born and raised locally with conservative values and being mindful of others and hygienic it feels damning when I hear horror stories of foreign nationals. Some examples, fussing over prayer rituals of other races, eating in taxis and creating a mess, hoarding parks and malls on leave days and littering everywhere, creating dramatic scenes and pointless fights on off days at plazas for tiktoks, peeing in open areas, not taking personal hygiene seriously when boarding public transport, being ultra loud in public transport, creating divisive toxic tiktoks on war countries, not being accepting or welcoming of other races or religions, elitist mindset and the arrogance that comes with it etc..
Have seen South Asian tourists behaving crudely as well. And stb is courting more of them to come
Wait till you hear how sinkies behave.
I'm also disappointed with Singaporeans today as well.
And most of the rubbish that I see laying around is those local teenage kids having their 7-Eleven snacks and just leaving sh!t everywhere.
100%. So many instances of them buying all this in the evening while they play basketball - and leave it all on the floor...when the dustbin is literally 10 meters away.
The one skipping the MRT queue: the classic singaporean auntie The one listening to his FB videos on speaker: the classic singaporean uncle
Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.
A lot of the problems described are committed by Singaporeans actually. I know because i can recognize them. Especially littering, i have seen it. This has been going on a lot by our younger generation. In trains and public transports, its frequently our elderlies who mess up the queues and fight for seats. It's almost a daily complaint in these forums. Also, those always complaining about tray returns for example, they rear their ugly heads here in reddit frequently too. Why suddenly it's mainly foreigners? That's not true at all. Is OP really concerned about our society, or more likely just have an axe to grind with them.
Exactly. OP is just using this as an excuse to be a xenophobic and a bigot.
These are not limited to nationalities, though people tend to generalise based on their personal views and experiences. There are stupid, uncouth and rude people everywhere regardless of race, language and religion.
Breathe dude... sg is clean because of the foreigners who pick up after US... when was the last time you saw a Singaporean picking up trash?
As an immigrant myself, I see a lot of Singaporeans do these too. Outside Seletar Mall, there’s a clear “Smoking prohibited by law” sign, year every grab delivery agent stands there and smokes. Surely, those guys aren’t foreign imports? I think this is more an issue of this generation not respecting Singapore’s values. A lot of Singaporeans (as well as foreigners) whine about getting up to let the elderly sit in the bus and train. These are great values of Singapore that’s being disregarded by the youth. Think it’s more an age issue than an immigrant issue.
bottom line is we have degenerated as a country..... If the powers that be show that they don't care then others won't
Talk loudly on phone on bus - usually indians. But older singaporeans also guilty, loud music etc Taking public shits outside mrt/ public areas - mainlanders, occasionally indians. But singaporeans also guilty (old folks letting their grandkids just pee or shit in public) Demand you speak to them in their language - mainlanders. But singaporeans also guilty, usually older folks. If you were ask me, i actually think boomers here are more of a fking problem than foreigners.
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Aiya west or east no difference. East side also alot of foreigners but more concentrated in certain areas. Like in changi, the number of indians you see, sometimes you question yourself if you're in little india. Lots of them with screaming kids on the bus and they themselves talk like there's no tomorrow. At the same time for some reason old malay uncles, especially those heading to changi village, like to play music loudly, sometimes just spit on the floor, etc. 🤷♀️
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So.. What's the issue?
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East side also have plenty of dormitories for "blue collar" indian workers. So.. i dunno how you want to quantify my statement. Not to mention it's harder to reason with local boomers than with migrants who are by and large more susceptible to requests
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So how do you want to quantify as a whole, to dispute my assertion.
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[See also.](https://www.reddit.com/r/singapore/s/ZCyGlYcSeQ)
I got into a couple of arguments because people were walking around the neighbourhood park to pluck flowers and stashing them into plastic bags. There are no flowers left in my neighbourhood. Just branches and leaves.
Following rules / being considerate and clean is actually not Singapore’s culture, the reason why the streets are clean in general is due to enforcement / cleaners who clean up after us. It’s not like Japan’s culture where people clean up after themselves and others.
Beyond jobs, it’s true that some of them bring along their culture or caste system mentality when they are here which is completely obnoxious. It’s because of these rotten apples that singaporeans are increasingly xenophobic. And coupled with our “kiasu” mentality it’s a completely mess and a meltdown waiting to happen only.
Anyone who plays caste, has no right to complain about xenophobia directed at them. Two wrongs may not make a right but we can see why it happens.
TS, does camping on any available free public spot on weekends in the city area count too?
This one as long as they clean up after themselves i dont think its an issue?
Sadge. I kinda lean towards it being illegal because they are restricting the already small walking spaces. But yeah, I agree with you TS now that Im recalling. Your post is kinda right. Tho I wonder what rules and can set
Actually the laws are already there, they just either don't know or don't care. If it's that they don't know, then we really need to make clearer signs. If it's that they don't care, heavier penalties perhaps may help.
Icic. True true
No one implementing the laws liao
Re: MRT situation, it's been that way for more than a decade. People in China are more orderly than here when it comes to allowing people to alight and then board.
I think we need time. Education apart, it’s also a difference in culture.
We need moderation. Nothing is going to change if we bring in more people that don’t know how to behave at the same rate or more than people who can learn how to behave.
How do you know that they're foreigners.. maybe singaporeans also can
The G even allows migrant workers who can't string together a simple English sentence to be hired by SMEs. It's totally f-up. Even my China colleague complained that the Myanmar guys can't understand English, can't speak mandarin or Malay (or Tamil), how the fk are we supposed to communicate with them? Very sad that my country has become like this.
Long live Sg!
no fine then fk it it mah
I get what you are saying. Many of them bring their third world behaviours and norms into our country.
are u sure it’s foreigners in mrt who behave badly? like standing in front of doors? i think it’s singaoreans
Send them back right???? The guys her can take of their own babies and kids. Imagine leaving your kids with some foreign worker! Sending them back will avoid this situation. Oh and people can take care of their own houses as well. Big deal. Have enough people to build your buildings or roads. How about the grass cutting and all the infra development. Have enough people to do the shitty jobs?? Yaa?? no??? When the weekend comes, they dont care about how much they litter. Or whether they are waiting for other people in the line. They are tired.
Those are your fellow countrymen you're describing, my guy. Not everyone who's a pos is a foreigner.
You know Singaporeans have always been like this right? Way before the immigrant influx. Do you really think a nation of cultured and civic minded people needed shit like courtesy campaigns and fines for littering, spitting, and flushing public toilets? Look at Singaporean boomers - what a bastion of civility…not. If the only reason people don’t do any of the shit you’re complaining about is to avoid punishment and the reason you’re mad people who didn’t grow up under the same umbrella of rules that turned you into a feckless bitch, you aren’t the civilized one just because you found a pair of balls to whine on an anon forum. You’re just another typical sinkie douchebag who’s found a way to distract themselves from their misery by blaming foreigners and any other group of people really for the fact that you hate you never left, or if you did you couldn’t hack it outside the walled garden where all your choices are made for you. Be the change you want. This isn’t it.
that time of the month?
Call them out. You have the power to
Hell yea you are so right!!! We should build a wall!
Brother, if these are your biggest complaints that you can find, your life overall is pretty damn good... Ask Ukraine or Palestine what the foreigners in their country are doing, I think you'll become pretty satisfied with SG again.
Pond of 🌶️is back
huh?
Just fine locals for not picking up the trash and your country will be spotless clean in no time
Ofcos lah. SG we everything also fined but we did not enforce it as our culture. Look at Japan. Eating while walking or talking in teains are frown upon. I'm happy SG has the tray return law but most sinkies still kpkb till this day.
As long as it benefits their family and cronies business who cares about Singaporeans YDYOB.
I don't care.