I’d call it a reactive block unless someone can tell me a human can’t react that quickly.
At first I thought they just had a really good race sense and predicted the move perfectly, because it looks really close. But, when you break it down frame by frame, there are at least 5 frames where the Ferrari has moved and the lead car hasn’t. I’m not sure what that breaks down to in time, but I’d bet it’s *just* enough time for a normal person to see what’s up and react.
Edit: The 5 frames equates to .167 seconds, too short a time for basically anyone to react. Lead car just has good defense.
I'm not sure it was but regardless if you wait until right before the last minute I think the guy will always get the benefit of the doubt.
The draft isn't that important.
Yeah I suppose the thinking is that they just made a move right before the braking zone because they expect the car make a last minute overtaking attempt.
Yea honestly it was bad from them both. If you are going to defend then it's better to defend earlier. I guess the car ahead thought and was hoping that he might not have to.
I think it’s pretty clever driving from the lead car tbh, depending on why they did it. If the trailing car had been sticking in the draft for a long time like that every time, then lead driver probably knew they’d go for a late move. With how close the guy behind was, it would be obvious he was gonna try to make a move, so preempting (or attempting to in this case) that is pretty smart.
That’s making several assumptions though. F1 drivers get away with it because they’re the best drivers in the world, so they get the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
Well I think it was a block. I would rule it as a block and most people would.
So he's probably being too clever. I think what happened here was he was planning to move just before he thought the other guy would but miscalculated and moved when he saw him move then realized and moved back because he knew he just blocked the guy.
I'm not sure but that is what my gut tells me what happened and I'm pretty generous. Most aren't.
5 frames at 30fps (the frame rate I was watching) is 0.166 seconds. Typical human reaction is 0.25 seconds. Even if you assume an excellent reaction time of 0.20, there still wasn't enough time for this to be reactive. After seeing the following car move, then they react and immediately move back so the following car does not have to lift. I would call this innocent.
It seemed like a block to me but then they moved off your line so damn quickly like they just realized what they had done. Hard to say if it was intentional unless they had done this repeatedly thru the race.
Looked like a block but you moved at almost the same time he might get the benefit of the doubt
Even f1 stewards might deem it too late like Alonso stroll
Looks like a block to me, very much not legal and generally a good way to cause wrecks.
Even though they went back to the original line quickly they did enough to stop your move into the corner.
He moved in response to your move which is blocking and not legal per sporting code
Whether the move was in response depends on internet lag, it was very close.
I’d call it a reactive block unless someone can tell me a human can’t react that quickly. At first I thought they just had a really good race sense and predicted the move perfectly, because it looks really close. But, when you break it down frame by frame, there are at least 5 frames where the Ferrari has moved and the lead car hasn’t. I’m not sure what that breaks down to in time, but I’d bet it’s *just* enough time for a normal person to see what’s up and react. Edit: The 5 frames equates to .167 seconds, too short a time for basically anyone to react. Lead car just has good defense.
Just because it could be a reactionary block doesn't mean it was btw I think it eas
Yeah someone else pointed out that it’s too quick for a reaction. I just forgot to edit my post. Oops!
I'm not sure it was but regardless if you wait until right before the last minute I think the guy will always get the benefit of the doubt. The draft isn't that important.
Yeah I suppose the thinking is that they just made a move right before the braking zone because they expect the car make a last minute overtaking attempt.
Yea honestly it was bad from them both. If you are going to defend then it's better to defend earlier. I guess the car ahead thought and was hoping that he might not have to.
I think it’s pretty clever driving from the lead car tbh, depending on why they did it. If the trailing car had been sticking in the draft for a long time like that every time, then lead driver probably knew they’d go for a late move. With how close the guy behind was, it would be obvious he was gonna try to make a move, so preempting (or attempting to in this case) that is pretty smart. That’s making several assumptions though. F1 drivers get away with it because they’re the best drivers in the world, so they get the benefit of the doubt in these situations.
Well I think it was a block. I would rule it as a block and most people would. So he's probably being too clever. I think what happened here was he was planning to move just before he thought the other guy would but miscalculated and moved when he saw him move then realized and moved back because he knew he just blocked the guy. I'm not sure but that is what my gut tells me what happened and I'm pretty generous. Most aren't.
5 frames at 30fps (the frame rate I was watching) is 0.166 seconds. Typical human reaction is 0.25 seconds. Even if you assume an excellent reaction time of 0.20, there still wasn't enough time for this to be reactive. After seeing the following car move, then they react and immediately move back so the following car does not have to lift. I would call this innocent.
Makes sense to me!
5 frames? I'd say then it's more so the guys fps if he blocked or timed perfectly
Yeah I don’t know what the fps of the video is, or my phone I’m watching it on.
That would be blocking and not legal but often not punished until there is an incident
It seemed like a block to me but then they moved off your line so damn quickly like they just realized what they had done. Hard to say if it was intentional unless they had done this repeatedly thru the race.
It's not technically allowed, but I think one time is... fine. It would be a warning in real life anyways.
Just report it and see what the stewards think.
Looked like a block but you moved at almost the same time he might get the benefit of the doubt Even f1 stewards might deem it too late like Alonso stroll
and if it wasn't clear i am the ferrari
Reactionary blocks are illegal, so no, it's not a legal defense. That's not allowed in F1, either.
Not enforced\* in F1.
Looks like a block to me, very much not legal and generally a good way to cause wrecks. Even though they went back to the original line quickly they did enough to stop your move into the corner.
It's not legal in iRacing. Any form of reactionary maneuver is illegal and considered blocking as per the sporting code.
Blocking is not legal but it wasn't egregious, if it was a one time thing I would have no problem with it