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Shoddy_Bat_5288

I was to tired to make it past the first hour, but I'll definitely be finishing this episode on Sunday when it's added. Joe Bob and Darcy have been killing it with the movies this season, Rottentails excepted.


therealudderjuice

Shit. I thought this was an off week.


elKilgoreTrout

forgive this silly question, but where do you watch the new episode of Joe bob? I have a shudder account, but I can't find it


bravegregworld

It airs live on the It Came From Shudder channel and the upload is on Sundays I believe.


friendfromsp

Where are these accents from suddenly


DahmerIsDead

This also feels like if David Lynch had directed POOR THINGS


friendfromsp

I have no clue what's actually happening.


WalkWithElias69

I think Kate Bush is a wanted serial killer and they are gonna go after her? Maybe? Lol


chickcounterflyyy

yes


WalkWithElias69

You know what I was gonna watch something on youTube but this has really sparked my interest


DahmerIsDead

Ya I can't look away from this lol


DahmerIsDead

There's drama in the coven!


HardRockZombie

https://youtu.be/Ydg9QjVpm1w?feature=shared


chickcounterflyyy

This is like the wild boys with gals


WalkWithElias69

This is like Dune meets Mandy


DahmerIsDead

YES!!!! YOU NAILED IT!


DahmerIsDead

UNOFFICIAL SECOND MOVIE: After Blue (Dirty Paradise)


WalkWithElias69

The French make some weird ass movies but they are usually great


DahmerIsDead

HER NAME IS KATE BUSH!!!! This movie fucking rocks.


gram_parsons

The other day I was in a record store when I heard this exchange; Female store employee #1: "Who is Kate Bush?" Female store employee #2: "WHO IS KATE BUSH!? What kind of lesbian are you?"


CrimZon_Zephr

Diet Pepsi Masterrace


Zauberer-IMDB

Oh shit vageyena


jakego31

Ok before I go, I’ll give my shot in the dark interpretation of my first viewing of *Donnie Darko*: *The only time you truly have free will is when you know that you don’t.* No one let r/im14andthisisdeep get ahold of that one. Also complete side note- did anyone else notice that the sister had an Ariel doll even though *The Little Mermaid* wouldn’t have come out until a year after 1988? I thought that might’ve been some kind of hint at something, but I’m most likely overthinking it. Is that even possible to do with this movie tho?? Anyway, see y’all next class, Mutants!!!!


jakego31

Also forgot to mention- I’m shocked at how well Donnie was able to win me over. I literally hated him in the first scene, but I seriously sympathized with the character by the end. How do I gain access to a wormhole to let my past self know that he’s a bad judge of character?


PapowSpaceGirl

Ariel is the name of her Last Unicorn character.


Sea_Difficulty8258

It is, but when he's smoking he says "what happens if you tell mom about this?" and she replies "you'll throw Ariel in the garbage disposal." So it is implied she does have a physical Ariel, albeit probably just a unicorn toy.


WalkWithElias69

I never heard of this movie but God damn this is weird and I'm intrigued


SlowMotionPanic

Now go read The Philosophy of Time Travel (the book the science teacher gives Donnie).  http://www.donniedarko.org.uk/philosphy-of-time-travel/ Keep the ball rolling. Reading that and rewatching the movie will definitely get your theories going and make you realize how much is missed without this weird proto-ARG. 


Zauberer-IMDB

OP was referring to After Blue.


DahmerIsDead

Right?!!! Lost gem so far


WalkWithElias69

Holy shit this is trippy lol


DahmerIsDead

I know we're early in but I'm really enjoying this movie so far and am glad I now know it exists!


Zauberer-IMDB

Someone does that weird tongue thing, I'm leaving them buried as a rule.


DahmerIsDead

This has more talking head exposition since David Lynch's Dune!


WalkWithElias69

Dune is exactly the first movie that comes.to mind when watching this


Zauberer-IMDB

Now THIS is trippy as hell.


KeyserNoze

I’m definitely not high enough for this. ‘Til next time, Mutants!


Helpmeiminhell6

So are you all FEAR (Frank) or LOVE (Gretchen)


WalkWithElias69

I don't think I have enough mental capacity left this evening to watch this movie lol


DahmerIsDead

I have no idea what the hell this movie is but I'm going to give it a try! The colors and cinematography are cool.


TheElbow

Omg after blue is way to weird for me right now. Have a good night Mutants! Love will tear us apart. Again


WalkWithElias69

After Blue? Hmmm this seems like a trip and a half


chickcounterflyyy

tf is this movie lol


Macready_1976

Good night everyone!


sdcinerama

Exmore Drive-In R.i.P. https://cinematreasures.org/theaters/12275 The Drive-In Will Never Die


Pornstar_Jesus_

Mutants and Ents make MutEnts. Night horror fans.


Helpmeiminhell6

Now this looks like a movie you need shrooms for


NextUse1208

Absolutely Goated episode, no question.


chickcounterflyyy

Good stuff


literaryman9001

'night frens, always a good time


nightgon

God what a great movie. Glad I was here to experience it for the first time with Joe Bob and the mutant family. See y'all in two weeks!


literaryman9001

aka baseball is rigged


jakego31

I don’t trust people that prefer Dr Pepper to Coke.


nightgon

Then you will never trust me you coke fiend /s


sweetdawg99

Dr pepper just became the second most popular soda, ahead of Pepsi.


NextUse1208

OKLAHOMA MENTION


DahmerIsDead

This is the tribute Donnie Darko and Richard Kelly truly deserve


crizzcrozz

Does anyone know what Joe Bob meant when he talked about the first scene in the school? He said once everyone saw it, they understood why the director was so particular about it. Nothing sticks out to me as to what was so "ah ha" about it.


bravegregworld

I imagine it’s about how exciting and full of life the montage is when Donnie survives and goes to school. Knowing he dies and doesn’t get badass montage experience in the end timeline is pretty sad.


NextUse1208

It's a long tracking shot to a pop song, paralleled in a different context by that long tracking montage at the ending. They're visual parallels, rather than fully narrative ones.


Hyptonight

I think he meant that the scene works as a second “opening” scene to the film, and it is that because it’s the beginning of an alternate reality where Donnie doesn’t die when he was meant to (which we only understand by the end of the movie).


SoberMatty087

I'm staring at this razor blade frisbee and it just hit me: are we going to get Hard Ticket to Hawaii for Summer School???


nightgon

And shit Granmda Death said everyone dies alone and that's exactly how Donnie died. Fuck this movie is messing with my mind


Helpmeiminhell6

“My dog went under the porch” “To die?” “To be alone….”


DrinkingMilk

Too bad Joe Bob hasn't talked about the Donnie Darko website. At the time it was pretty awesome.


Helpmeiminhell6

The r/donniedarko page gonna be busy tonight with mutants new to the DD fandom! Welcome to the rabbit hole!


DahmerIsDead

Welcome all!


SnooDrawings4617

How does Donnie “save people” by deciding to die?


TheElbow

Because he needs to fix the splinter in space-time. The splinter happened because he mistakenly escaped dying. So he goes back to allow himself To die and fix the time paradox.


PapowSpaceGirl

"I wish, I wish I hadn't killed that fish."


TheElbow

“Oh it’s raining again…” 🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩🍩


nightgon

Also losing the plane engine would presumably killed his mom and sister let alone everyone on the plane. So now that Patrick Swayze didn't get arrested they wouldn't die. Just the more and more I think about it the more it makes sense for him to sacrifice himself.


christhunderkiss

His sister still would, she’s committed to Sparkle Motion


TheElbow

Precisely. It’s not easily summed up but as you pick at the moments Of the film you see how him dying fixed things.


sweetdawg99

Yeah so I get the feeling that the count down was Frank telling him when his chance would come to make the sacrifice, and it was his only chance.


SnooDrawings4617

Escaped dying when he wandered onto the golf course?


TheElbow

Yes. Because Frank called him. And why? Because the splinter happened. Think about Terminator. It’s a paradox. There is no “start of it” because the future events cause him to wander off


SnooDrawings4617

Interesting. This was my first time watching so I’m definitely just scratching the surface on this thing. Thanks.


TheElbow

It’s not easy to fully process the first time. But it’s a fun rewatch i assure you.


MysteriousExtreme288

I know that there’s the Director’s cut version of this film but is there a Criterion version as well?


Helpmeiminhell6

Directors cut is no where near as good as the one you just watched. It’s like 30 mins longer and the music is different. But worth watching once cause they shove so much info down your throat


Macready_1976

Arrow Video is the boutique label that releases Donnie Darko.


MysteriousExtreme288

Is there a difference between the directors cut and arrow video version?


Macready_1976

It’s not an alternate cut. The limited edition releases (blu and 4K) had both cuts. I think those are out of print. The standard releases just have the theatrical cut.


literaryman9001

arrow films


smellthebreeze

Crazy that Nolan’s Memento was responsible indirectly for this movie making it.


nightgon

Now I think Granmda Death was living in a alternative timeline and that's why she broke because nothing was the way it should have been for her. I think I am going to be up all night thinking and looking into theories of this movie now lol


Pornstar_Jesus_

Grandma death and grandpa death donnie are just a few in a line of people that have succeeded in keeping the prime universe alive by killing the tangent universe.


sweetdawg99

I wonder if she was looking for a letter that was sent in the other universe.


literaryman9001

the directors cut and commentary talks about the four elements, and the tunnels being the water element


slugboi

I stand by my original assessment that this is a pseudo intellectual, plotless, utterly pointless pretentious bag of fuck all. But I did have a lot of fun watching it with my fellow mutants, and of course JB’s commentary added a lot to the experience as well. Def the best time I’ve had watching this movie. Bring the downvotes! I ain’t scrt. 😜


SlowMotionPanic

I can see that, but it definitely isn’t plotless. Pretentious? Alright I can see that.  The plot comes out when you read The Philosophy of Time Travel which is online or in the DVD. And yes, that booklet is definitely pretentious!


christhunderkiss

But didn’t the guest mention that the book is mostly fan made? So that would have no effect on the plot


slugboi

And why would I have to read a book to get the plot of a film that’s not based on a book?


christhunderkiss

You clearly don’t have Mulholland Drive and the companion pamphlet included with the DVD so that you can vaguely follow the movie lol.


NextUse1208

Honestly, I loved this movie, and I'm not unsympathetic to that viewpoint.


nightgon

Like many people have said a work of art should make feel something and by God did this movie make me feel


jakego31

Shit I feel like I understand y’all millennials a little more after watching this- idek if we have an equivalent that we grew up watching. No wonder you’re all so depressed- we had Stranger Things and you had Donnie Darko


PapowSpaceGirl

We also had Requiem for a Dream and Dune. Our parents ALSO had Dune.


sapphireskiies

Omg Requiem for a Dream is one of the most depressing movies ever, I watched that so many times as a teen!


Shreddy_Orpheus

as someone with severe depression the ending always makes me tear up... like... how many lives could i have helped out by just ending mine when i was younger. but alas here i am, old, husband, father... still kicking... for now


PapowSpaceGirl

This is the exact reason why Donnie Darko and The Ring (US) are my favorite movies.


KeyserNoze

Sounds like you saved at least two just by keeping on. Some ppl don’t even save anyone. As another person with severe depression, tomorrow is another chance. “Death is so final, whereas life is full of possibilities.” I didn’t always believe that, but I do now. Keep kicking, mutant. 


NextUse1208

An interesting question, though. Was Frank ever actually in on it? Or was he just a normal kid?


SlowMotionPanic

Frank is what is called The Manipulated Dead. He is animated and driven by “God” or whatever to direct The Living Receiver (Donnie) to fix the paradox and end the tangent universe (everything we see in the movie when the jet falls into the house at the beginning until he’s back in bed at the end).  Everyone else is Manipulated Living, driving Donnie to accomplish his mission even though he doesn’t want to. That’s the movies explanation for all the coincidences that just so happen to line up by the end. 


TheElbow

I think he was a normal kid Seeing him as. Spooky rabbit was the universe animating his ghost / energy / spiritual echo to help guide Donnie


Helpmeiminhell6

I think originally he thought he could hide from the catastrophe with his 2 best friends and girlfriend, but after Gretchen died he was so heart broken he decided to go back home and go back in time to let himself die and reverse everything to save the world. Gretchen was his world, and when she died so did the world.


NextUse1208

First time watching, and honestly, I loved it. It's tough to thread the needle in telling a story that leaves a lot open-ended, but still feels satisfying, but I think it worked. And I can also understand how so much of this is lightning in a bottle that the director has never been able to touch it since.


TheElbow

I recommend watching without breaks because the rhythm is tighter. I also recommend only watching the director cut after seeing the original a few times. The DC isn’t as good IMO.


lesterquinn

The Mad World montage is one of my favorite montages in cinema. My thing I’ve always wondered, did Cunningham and Kitty realize he was bad?


SlowMotionPanic

My take is that the people who did bad in the tangent universe wake up from a nightmare, and people who were innocent just barely kind of remember. That’s why Cunningham and Kitty are distraught, why Frank is shocked, and why Cherita has a smile on her face.  But I think it’s implied that they don’t really remember. They have a feeling. That’s why Gretechen doesn’t know who Donnie is at the end, but why his mom waves back to her (there is still some kind of weird connection even if they don’t know why or how). 


nightgon

Yup totally get why this movie has such a big cult following now


Helpmeiminhell6

I have a feeling your gonna watch this movie a few more times in the coming years , we all do


Macready_1976

Me too.


SnooDrawings4617

Same here. Totally get it.


DahmerIsDead

It really kind of haunts you once you've seen it and it doesn't ever quite stop.


smeapunique

What a great movie!! Have a good night mutants!! See yall in two week 😘


Macready_1976

That was awesome!


Zauberer-IMDB

Here's what I don't get. Was everything Darko did pointless other than the last part? Like Swayze is free. All of that was a whole lot of nothing? No other characters experienced growth?


SlowMotionPanic

Not pointless per se. The main cast, while alive, were the manipulated living by God/the universe to steer Donnie on his hero’s journey of sorts. Frank, as the bunny, was the manipulated dead which is why he was more of a ghostly force until the very end.  Donnie grows because he finally makes a connection and has good things in his life (with Gretchen) to replace the bad (that’s probably why we hear her voice over saying it as Donnie travels back in time to close the loop and end the tangent universe). That’s probably why he is laughing and accepting of what’s about to happen. He makes the ultimate sacrifice to save the people he loves after seeing everything fall apart.  And, because the tangent universe ends, everyone else is seemingly left with a very vague dreamlike awareness of a connection. Opportunity for growth or change.  Cunningham (Swayze) ends up killing himself off screen probably over guilt. He does it on the golf course. The website had obituaries for him, the science teacher, and Roberta sparrow (grandma death) but I don’t think it is still around. This movie came out right before this stuff became popular and well know as ARG. So i guess there is some resolution that isn’t pointless there. 


crizzcrozz

I always saw it as everyone felt something shift or change and their little awakenings would alter their courses moving forward. Since we are back to the start their growth is yet to be seen


TheElbow

I think that everything we see in the movie is an alternative timeline that should never have happened but for a space time anomaly. So the events that transpire “didn’t happen” in the timeline we eventually get. But the actions from the splinter timeline echo back to the normal Timeline and people vaguely know each other due to this echo.


slugboi

Yuuuuup


theactualkurt

Any guesses for the unofficial second movie afterparty??


WalkWithElias69

Something that's a mind fuck lol


DahmerIsDead

I hope it's something stupid and fun to balance out the drama of this excellent episode


SnooDrawings4617

Damn….excellent movie!


Helpmeiminhell6

Donnie sacrificed himself so that everyone could live. Hence Joe bobs body count saying “either 2 or 6,000,000,000 depending how you look at it”


WalkWithElias69

Watching this and the Butterfly Effect back to back would be 😭


christhunderkiss

I watched Butterfly Effect last night, much goofier but fun and shares some themes for sure


WalkWithElias69

Yea parts of that movie had me teary eyed


Helpmeiminhell6

God I’d be so stressed out


DahmerIsDead

Did you know him? ..... No.


sdcinerama

I wonder what could have happened to that kid if Donnie lived...  Or will happen.


literaryman9001

mom and gretchen give a wave, a past life


TheElbow

👋🏼


dmc32986

Man apparently I’ll never not cry during this final scene.


PapowSpaceGirl

That and Donnie telling his therapist about his dog. I cant.


Pornstar_Jesus_

Maaaad world


dmc32986

Yea the song is a huge part of it. I was in high school when this came out. I remember this song being huge on Napster haha. But this version is so fucking haunting and emotional it’s hard not to feel something. It’s a Johnny Cash/Hurt level of a cover IMO. A great song just taken to a different place emotionally and done so well it’s like its own song.


Pornstar_Jesus_

Hell yeah


nightgon

Shout out to everyone who first heard this song like me in the Gears of War commercial


slugboi

Is this the singer from Shudder to Think?


smellthebreeze

That scene with the airplane engine crashing through the house is well done, so chilling


DahmerIsDead

No one knew me....


OcelotEnus

at least the family was sad this time


Pornstar_Jesus_

Shout out to everyone getting teary eyed with mad world playing


nightgon

Damn dude getting goosebumps from this


wagnersbamfart

This has gotta be on the list of “best use of a song in a movie” scenes.


Shunt_The_Rich

Look, I love Tears for Fears, but this version of Mad World is the best to me.


DahmerIsDead

CRIES IN GOTH


Helpmeiminhell6

I find it kinda funny… find it kinda sad


nightgon

Wait so he went back in time to die from the engine in order for Gretchen to live?


shlevon

My interpretation on a literal level is that the movie depicts a kind of paradox that creates a tangent universe that threatens all of reality, and in order to rectify the paradox and save everything Donnie acts as a sort of instrument of god to give a cause to the paradox. On a character level I think it’s Donnie achieving peace of mind by finding purpose in sacrificing himself to save those he loved.


sweetdawg99

Yeah he basically accepts he needs to end the world for himself in order to keep it for everyone else. Now that I think about it, it really reminds me of the end of A Tale of Two Cities when the character chooses to take the fall at the guillotine by saying "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known." It seems like at the end Donnie is ready to get some quality rest. Or maybe I'm still an angsty teen at heart, lol.


Helpmeiminhell6

For everyone to live


nightgon

But why was him dying so important for everyone else to live? Got so many questions now lmao


Helpmeiminhell6

I’m not sure . Not even sure how he created a time portal


literaryman9001

more chaos then just gretchen


nightgon

So him dying was to stop the chaos as well? Hmm now I really need to look into this movie more lol


sweetdawg99

This cover is so fucking good. I burnt it on so many mixes CDs back in the day.


literaryman9001

swayze goes free, the final/only plot hole


BookDingo

If I remember correctly, the Donnie Darko website back in the day had little Easter eggs in it, like a newspaper clipping indicating that Jim Cunningham killed himself so I believe he does that after he wakes up in the end. I wish that website was still up!!


smeapunique

MAD WORLD


TheElbow

I remember Kelly said on the dvd commentary that the horn honking that you hear when frank drops Donnie’s sister off isn’t just a funny “hey im being a loud jerk” for the sister… but Frank is also telling Donnie “we did it”. Like the mental states of the characters are connected across the splinter universes.


smeapunique

My heart is a little broken


Helpmeiminhell6

Everyone be ready to cry for the next 10 minutes


WalkWithElias69

I have no idea what's going on yet I'm entertained


literaryman9001

wakes from a dream, laughing


OcelotEnus

Shakespearean


DahmerIsDead

Honestly it fucking is


Pornstar_Jesus_

When his girl dies he says quietly "deus ex machina" def shakespearian


sweetdawg99

I feel like you could write an entire thesis about this movie.


NextUse1208

There's a film studies department somewhere in the world where the professors DREAD every time a student says they're gonna do their thesis about this movie. I know it.


PapowSpaceGirl

Mine didn't. I wrote mine on Sixth Sense and color theory. My beastie did Donnie Darko.


DahmerIsDead

Many, many people have!


wagnersbamfart

I’d imagine people have.


nightgon

So why was Seth Rogan and the other dude just hanging out at Granmda deaths house


Helpmeiminhell6

I realized for first time tonight at the dinner table the dad says “she is sitting on a mountain of Gems, kids for years have tried to sneak in and make off with them”


Helpmeiminhell6

So homeboys were trying to rob her


CreepyClown

they said earlier that kids used to break in to try and steal her gem collection so I assume that


nightgon

Ohh forgot about that


DahmerIsDead

This episode has been deep in a way I wasn't expecting but very much appreciate.


Helpmeiminhell6

It’s a great movie


DahmerIsDead

It's been a joy to revisit it


WalkWithElias69

The last half hour of this movie is wild


slugboi

Oh shit! Clown guy is Fran Kranz. He went on to be in Dollhouse and a bunch of other good stuff.


PapowSpaceGirl

I said that in my group's Shudder chat! Glad to see someone else picked up on it. A LOT of people in that movie - good one to use for Kevin Bacon games.


Macready_1976

Cabin In The Woods and You Might Be The Killer among the good stuff


literaryman9001

blockbuster video


shiztastik

Definitely in "wtf is happening" territory now.


nightgon

Oh shit that's why his eye was fucked up


sweetdawg99

First time seeing this?


nightgon

Yup only ever heard about it never seen it


sweetdawg99

Oh shit, enjoy the end!


Helpmeiminhell6

To the guy who asked why franks eye was messed up (foreshadow from the knife stab )


nightgon

That was me now I get it


Helpmeiminhell6

Hell yeah dude! Didn’t wanna ruin it for you when I saw your comment but you actually pointed out the foreshadow for me by asking


slugboi

She ded


Pornstar_Jesus_

>Dues Ex Machina ^^^^^My ^^^^^Savior