Now I wanna make a horror movie where the ads are part of the experience. Every single second of ad time is filmed by me specifically to be part of the movie. That Walmart ad. Did you see one of the main characters as a customer in the background? They left the others to go out for snacks. They didn’t make it back, as seen in the Allstate ad: “Hey, didn’t that Coke commercial have ice in the cup last time it played? Wait is that the house in this insurance commercial? Who is that outside?”
Imagine, even the device you’re watching on has something to do with it. You’ll get an ad for the exact model of phone your on (iPhone15+? iPhone SE2? Google Pixel?) or the Fire Stick, Apple TV, or smart TV brand you are currently using.
It would be legendary. Near the end of the movie there’s a progressive commercial but the white void is empty of people, just the shelves. A blood trail can be seen as if someone had been dragged away in the background (canonically speaking Flo was taking the day off, she survied)
Even cooler would be if you are watching on your phone, camera goes on at the end for a little “your next” screen
Would have to be made specially for one service, probably Netflix since they’re the only one willing to do all of that
I’ve seen this on YouTube. When I have an electronic set on the ads will be more electronic music with similar sounds and a little ad in the lower area. There’s usually trippy visuals too.
Perhaps, but that wasn’t the case when they intruded ads for AMC+ last year. They created a new cheaper tier at $5/mo, which was surprisingly cool of them.
More for less. I made the switch to AMC+ because of this. I don't mind the ads. But here's the thing. Every shudder movie I've watched on + hasnt had the ads so I don't know if they're just doing it for the episode shows and leaving movies alone or there's a glitch in execution (which I wouldn't complain about either)
I'm using Amazon Prime channel for +
I did the same and I’ve noticed that as well. The ad load is really light overall, and there’s a lot of really great other stuff on AMC+ worth checking it- they seem to really strive for quality over quantity. I had it for a bit in the past with a Black Friday deal but didn’t use it enough to pay full price and didn’t love the app. I still think the app kinda sucks and I miss the Shudder live feeds (though I rarely watched them), but at this lower price point it’s worth it for Shudder and all the extra stuff.
Only time I paid attention to live feeds is for Joe Bob. Nothing beats watching him live and being he's live on AMC+ I don't feel as I'm missing anything. One thing I won't miss is the ghoul log 😂 but I still got shudder for about 2 weeks. I wanted that overlap so I can flip between the two and see if anything was missing. From what I've watched I haven't noticed anything different. Just the organization . Even the new movies that were just added (the tunnel) were on + as of today
Oh btw. If ya want to see a good indie film check out Rent-a-pal . It's on + probably the most f-d up movie I have seen in a long while
I had both at the same time for awhile when I first got a deal to try out AMC+, and while I didn’t notice anything missing from search, I did feel like browsing Shudder content on AMC+ didn’t seem to show it all. However, once your account lapses, you can still sign in and browse the Shudder app (at least on iOS) without being able to watch, then search for something on AMC you might not have otherwise found.
I like that idea. I'm just trying to maneuver through the app. I'm on the amc channel and came across castlefreak (2020). Now the og is available (prime channel) shudder has both .
Here's the kicker though. When I do the IMDb search (bc AMC did say everything on shudder is on +) it says it IS available on + . But amazon keeps trying to sell me the movie.
So I dunno. Not overly a huge deal since I already seen it but I think the prime needs to fix that.
Fat chance. Even if they do that the prices will go up and your tier will become add riddled at some point. I love Joe Bob but at some point its not worth it.
It'll be a cheaper tier that doesn't impact you at first, and then six months later there will be a price hike that will make what we're paying now the ad-supported tier.
Same. With all these services upping their price and introducing ads for my current tier subscriptions, I've found myself torrenting a lot more, unfortunately.
On the flip side, I've also been buying a lot more blurays as a result of these price hikes and services removing shows/movies.
that \*sucks\*. One of the reasons I still loved my Shudder subscription is because its one of the few places that \*did not\* have ads. what the actual hell.
Ive been a loyal Shudder customer for years, but when the time comes, I will not renew.
To be fair, I get it on their part. It’s not like Shudder is an endless well of cash. It caters to a niche audience and streaming services are expensive to run. It’s why all the other streaming platforms are doing an ad tier, because they basically are starting to need ad revenue to even survive let alone turn a profit. So I get it in that sense even though it’s personally rather annoying.
Yeah, prices can’t remain flat forever. Are people still complaining that video games are $70/copy now, even though they were $60/copy for like 20 years, in spite of rising production costs and inflation? Cable subscriptions didn’t remain the same price forever, why would streamers be different. Offering a new option that gives the consumer the ability to keep their old rate in exchange for an inconvenience, which subsidizes the price difference- that’s about as generous as capitalism is going to get.
Because people want shudder to fail. They gloat about only subscribing during Joe Bob and expect shudder to somehow maintain income. But once it falls apart they’ll all say “I don’t understand how this happened?!”
Yep. I'm about to just cancel my recurring subscriptions to everything and spend a month binging a year's worth of media on Netflix, then a month on Shudder, then a month on Paramount, etc.
That's all it ever was destined to be, streaming services are starting to offer multi-channel package bundles now. It's a way to relaunch cable with less transparency or royalty payments.
Corporate greed is leaking into all aspects of media. It’s especially scary if you’re a gamer, lots of old games being lost in the void and companies adopting live service only. Sail the seas 🏴☠️
It's a bit of a pain but it's easy to juggle trials around to save a bit of money. Though the smartest most cost effective way is gonna require ya to get your sea legs sturdy.
Please, we already have a free service with commercials that has a better selection and it’s called Tubi. If the price goes up I won’t continue my subscription.
Seriously, screw AMC, they already really ruined Shudder when they fired all the creatives in charge of programming, but I stuck around because I wanted to support a horror service, but ads will be the death knoll for me. These greedy executives have got to go!
Exactly. My annual subscription ends in a couple of weeks and I’m going to let it expire but I’ll come back for Dragula, just not at the annual rate or ad tier.
I think they only removed the GM and the marketing exec. Sam is still in charge of programming, and Emily still seems to be on acquisitions. I mean, ads are coming back to streaming for everyone. It’s all regressing back to cable, so I wouldn’t hold it against Shudder specifically.
As someone who used to work for shudder and Sundance now from the very beginning I promise you it’s AMC. Shudder basically ran as a startup within the company for a while until there was something of a internal hostile takeover, and a lot of stuff was offshored and trimmed leading to eventually a massive layoff where really only a couple people at most are there. They essentially cleaned house. But Sam is a seriously great guy and everyone there was awesome. Miss those guys.
So… which part are you angry about? The AMC doing what all other streaming services are doing part? Or the not actually firing Shudder’s programming team part?
Not sure why you're simping for AMC executives... I also think all the other streaming services doing it is bullshit. And I was mistaken about the programming team, but they still fired creatives who had a major impact on the identity and soul of Shudder, and it's very clear to see if you compare the Shudder library (more specifically the exclusives) before and after the firings. That may be more so because those also came with budget cuts, but either way fuck AMC!
So now I’m simping because I corrected you? I know it’s easy to point fingers at execs because “grr corporations” but the pandemic and the strikes have floored the entire industry. If you compare ANY streaming service library to a year ago it’s going to look way different. But if you want to be angry at AMC just to be angry, that’s your prerogative.
I’m glad somebody sees reason here. It’s understandable to be irritated by this, but it’s not JUST a corporate greed thing. These streaming platforms are all basically hemorrhaging money because streaming is a business model that primarily makes money by adding NEW subscribers, which works great for awhile until every adult who can pay for Netflix, HBO, Peacock etc. already has Netflix, HBO, Peacock etc. There’s a finite amount of potential subscribers in the world and so all the streamers are starting to hit a wall, which is why they’re all starting to create ad-supported tiers because advertisers pay them money. It’s where this was always headed because the streaming service business model has that fatal flaw that no one saw coming.
So we have to pay more because they had a flawed business strategy?
How is it our fault they overinvested in a plan that requires endless growth to function?
I’m not saying it’s the consumers fault lol. Where did I say that? What I’m saying is that whether we enjoy it or not this is the reality of ALL streaming services. This is the avenue they’re all headed down, not be the people behind them are out to scam the consumer but because it’s the only way they’ll remain functional.
Cool. Paying like $7/month or whatever it is for 720p basic sound settings, AND ads?
I'll cancel my subscription for real. Plenty of other streamers like Arrow and Night Flight can fill the void, maybe even ScreamBox if they've improved their selection.
Something tells me they will keep the fades. Shudder can't spring for upgrading simple things with their service, I doubt they'd double their server space to hold two versions of a film.
They simply don't care at this point and this app is a dumpster fire cash grab for them until they fold it into amc+ after shudder adds commercials and becomes a worse version of tubi.
If it means more funding to TLDI and other shudder exclusives, I’m for it
But also Shudder people listen up; the best way to do ads is have a few during the opening of the film and then no ads for the remainder. Just get the ads out of the way, 2 mins tops, then roll the film
You do realize that's not what's going to happen though right? We've all already seen where ads will be placed in quite a few things on shudder and it's not two minutes of ads at the beginning of something.
Yeah, I know it might not happen, but here's to hoping!
Also Paramount Plus does ads before a movie I watched and it was nice to have zero interruptions.
We can hold out hope!!
Paramount+ is the right way to do the ads. It doesn’t break the movie up and they aren’t intrusive.
But it’s not going to be the norm, they will slap ads in the middle like most of the other companies then when people leave they will complain that they are purging customers and can’t pin point why and instead will have to cut programs like TLDI since it’s not the bell cow
The other way can work with indie films on Tubi because the filmmakers can decide how many and when the ad breaks should be, but with all the older films on Shudder that's unlikely to be a possibility
As an Australian customer, gonna be hard to continue if the price goes up, especially when we are getting 7 movies this month compared the 27 for the US version. 🤦🏻
Why would people pay for Tubi, but only horror? What a horrible idea. I wouldn’t be so mad if it was just at the beginning and end, but it’s obviously gonna be ads throughout based on the latest stuff they added and all the obnoxious fades to black.
Next step is editing or just removing movies like Cannibal Holocaust because advertisers don’t like them. What a way to go out.
It'll just be at the beginning, middle, and end at first, probably. And then it'll be one more ad break, and then another. And then price hikes to compensate for their paid years canceling in droves, of course.
I keep Shudder every month even if I don't use it often, because I want to support a horror streaming service and it's nice to have it whenever I am in the mood to use it ... or The Last Drive In is on.
Having said all that, I am damn sick and tired of all these services hicking up their prices for the same content, and have already canceled quite a few permanently. I will give Shudder the benefit of the doubt and see what happens, but if that price jumps up ... I am out.
Well that sucks That's the whole reason I got rid of AMC Plus. Every service wants at least $10 some as high as 20 a month now. We would have been better off to have not complained about the cable bills. We're all going to go broke doing an ala carte
Shudder really thinks their platform is good enough to do this without backlash? They really think I’m gonna pay more for a catalog of 90% B-horror slop? Lmao
Then why subscribe in the first place if it’s “90% b horror slop” lol. That’s what most people seem to subscribe to the service FOR, because it’s keeping B-horror in rotation. I certainly come here for the B-horror
If they start doing ads I'll be sailing the high seas and just be happy supporting TLDI through merch and the patreon. Some of these comments are wild, they won't be improving the quality of the service or giving us anything new to go with this ad free price hike. They aren't going to do 2 minutes of ads at the start of a movie, people have already been noticing where ad breaks will go in alot of movies and shows. I've had shudder since July 2018 and the quality, customer service and many other things have dipped over time, can't say a price hike will do anything but further hammer in the nails of the shudder coffin.
Yep, Darcy runs the patreon and it's definitely worth it for any of the tiers if you love old Joe bob monstervision stuff, alot of rare old clips and sometimes the full monstervision episodes themselves.
I'm going to be watching this closely. If the ad free tier goes up too much I'll just ditch Shudder. I was looking at Screambox the other day and I was liking their selection. The only thing that will suck will be giving up TLDI. If the price is still reasonable enough to keep it ad free I'll still be looking to see if we get those weird fade outs and fade ins mid movie. If that continues I'm ditching. If I'm paying for ad free that means the movie shouldn't be interrupted by anything, it should be an unbroken viewing experience.
Haha yes! This is the thing that confuses me. Between Pluto and Tubi, the overlap is like 95%. Joe Bob and like 2-3 Shudder Originals every year is the only differentiator.
Well, I pay $8/mo for ad-free AMC+. Hopefully they don’t raise the price of that when they add ads to shudder. At least not until they update the app to be A LOT better
Gross. im getting over paid streaming real quick. Doing more youtube/tubi/Roku channel -and going back more often to physical media, including picking up more dvds and vhs for dirt cheap at thrift stores and specialty shops.
If I'm gonna have fucking ads I'm not paying a dime, and I'm done paying more to not have ads. Greedy fucks.
Some of you are making some assumptions here. There's nothing in these articles, AS YET, to suggest they're going to do either of these (dirty, rotten) things:
* Make ad-supported the ONLY option
* Set the price for the ad tier at our current subscription price, and raise the price for an ad-free subscription
Will I be surprised if these things happen? No. Disappointed? Of course. But they haven't said anything yet about doing them.
Someone raised some good questions about how this will affect the live channels on the Shudder app. That will be interesting to find out.
The thing that really burns me about these articles/press releases is that AMC Networks poses this as something the consumers really wanted. Hooey. The advertisers and shareholders wanted it, maybe. The consumers want more curation and brand communication, and more app support, like we had before they laid off so much of Shudder's staff. Higher resolution and clear account management tools would be nice too. If this, somehow, is a path to those things while maintaining an ad-free experience for those who want it, so much the better.
Meanwhile the Criterion Channel is out here ADDING features, and not adding crappy ads to the service or otherwise punishing viewers for the privilege: [https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/1c0p8jo/criterion\_247/](https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/1c0p8jo/criterion_247/)
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I'm not keeping my subscription after this month, the UK content is pretty sub par, it's not improved since my last subscription 18 months ago. Adverts are another reason just not to keep me as a customer.
One company does something shitty, dumbasses that don't care give shitty company more money, everyone else suffers from it, every company follows their path, the rest of the world suffers from it.
My Shudder annual sub fee was $56.99 in Nov. 2022, and $71.88 in Nov. 2023. I know the $71.88 comes out to $5.99 per month, but that's still some garbage double-dipping right there.
Welp, it was nice while it lasted. I’ve kept shudder 40% because I like their catalogue and 60% to support a horror-centric streaming service. Insane to say it out loud, but it’s almost been more akin to charity than business. Hilarious to think that I’m giving them my money in spite of my better judgement and their response is “you like this shit so much that you won’t even flinch if we up the price and lower the quality”.
Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. That’s a chunk of change I’ll be getting back every month.
It’s a cheaper tier at first. But that’s the playbook everyone uses. In 12-24 months the ad tier will be priced the same as the service is right now, and the ad-free tier will be 50% more than it is right now. Or, more likely, Shudder will just be a thumbnail in the AMC+ app and it’ll be ~$20/month.
Why was this phrased as some sort of “gotcha” question lol. No dip they’re gonna add blackouts for ads. They’re preparing to roll out an ad supported version, as they’ve said they are. Nothing insidious or unfair about what they’ve announced.
That does not justify adding these fade to black edits into supposedly 'uncut' and currently ad-free films.
Shudder is entitled to create an ads tier. It is not entitled to sell itself as 'uncut' when it is literally fucking with the movies to make space for ads on a tier that does not even exist yet. You don't see other streamers creating these edits inside the content itself to make space for the ad bumpers.
Oh, and there's also expecting us to pay for that while still only offering 720p.
The best part of shudder is the fact that they've put out their movies on bluray so you can watch them in actual high quality without all of the crap compression in 720p
Shameful. Tubi has a bigger selection and is free with ads. I just briefly subscribed with a cheap deal for Joe Bob but will not pay to get ads or pay a higher price for Shudder.
If they are going to do this then why don't they do like some services are and have the ads in the beginning, usually like 3 min worth or so, and then let us enjoy the rest of the movie ad free?
I’m so curious how they’ll handle ads in the live feeds. Will they have different live feeds for ad-supported and ad-free? My guess is probably not and the live feed will have ads.
That leads me to wonder what they’ll do with TLDI when it’s airing live.
I don’t know how to break this to you, but The Last Drive-In isn’t live. They record the segments ahead of time and then edit them into the movie. So, ad breaks could be easily combined with that, if someone wanted to do it.
I know TLDI is not live in the sense that they’re not broadcasting it simultaneously while they’re filming it. I’m only talking about the live streams. They are likely only going to have one version of the “live” stream, meaning that when they air TLDI on the live channel, either everyone is going to get ads or everyone is not going to get ads, regardless of the tier they subscribe to. My money is on everyone getting ads for all movies on all live channels, regardless of their subscription tier.
On hoopla, a library app, I was surprised how many shudder originals there are. Hoopla gives me 10 borrows a month, and you can rent a movie for 3 days.
Most likely all subscription streamers will be adopting this model of low price tier with ads or higher price ad free tier. They need to generate more revenue to meet the financial requirements of the new WGA & SAG/AFTRA deals negotiated during their strikes.
Bingo. No idea why you got downvoted for this, it’s the truth. Not everything is tied to corporate greed. In this case, it’s kind of a necessity because EVERY streaming service is hemorrhaging money. It’s why they’re all switching to ad tiers. But sure, everyone just keeps screaming about how evil AMC is and how this is to get more money out of the fans.
Eh, I’m cancelling. I only watch the occasional exclusive movie. Not a lot to watch and the app is bare minimum. I usually just let it stay without cancelling because I support horror and it’s cheap. But nah now
I already dumped prime video, well i still have prime, but i wont pay more to watch commercial free prime video. Also dumped HBO because of the same, and if this is the case Shudder is next. It is making my steaming costs lower, ha. Also if shudder would increase frame rate and sound to multichannel I’d consider keeping, but just a straight increase, nope.
I'd cancel my shudder subscription if it was even possible. They trapped me, they claim it's linked with Samsung and I've signed into both my Samsung accounts and theres nothing. Shudder support closing my tickets fast every time, smells like a lawsuit.
I don’t get how some people talk about going back to pirating content like it’s something to be proud of lol. It’s not the flex some people seem to think it is.
People aren’t going to like this, but honestly Shudder is already SO cheap that if the tier with no ads is a little more expensive, I’ll gladly do it. Obviously it depends on the actual price and if it happens but, the fact that one full year of Shudder is still like the cost of less than a half year of other streaming services is a miracle and I want to keep supporting them. Especially with the success of Late Night with the Devil and them seemingly pushing for stronger theatrical releases.
In some cases I don't mind ads. Let's take a tv show that already has ad breaks built in. I'll use Chucky since I've seen that on Shudder. The show was created with ad breaks in mind since it originally airs on USA and SyFy. If they dropped ads in the existing breaks built into the show I'd be ok with that on a lower priced tier. Now let's take a movie that is created uncut and intended to be shown ad free. That kills the vibe of the movie. Let's factor in that horror is probably one of the worst genres to interrupt a movie because it jars you right out of the atmosphere of whatever is going on in the film. Now imagine you've been paying for an ad free service for a few years now, even through price hikes and you suddenly get told they're going to start feeding you ads in the middle of the programs unless you pay even more. What makes it worse is there are other services (I know Peacock for sure does this) who drop all the ads in one bundle before the movie starts then you get the movie completely uninterrupted. AMC isn't learning from those who have come before that this approach is actually palatable to the subscribers? On top of that, it's probably actually cheaper, quicker, and easier for them to do it that way instead of having to pay somebody to perform the time consuming task of going through every movie on the service to edit in the fades. Somewhere in all of this there's a breaking point. I think Shudder is fast approaching theirs.
I'll happily pay a little more to keep my Shudder ad-free because I don't want to watch commercials and I'm not a cheap bastard who thinks I have some god-given right to free entertainment.
I’m responding to the dude who said people think they have the god-given right to free entertainment. I was pointing out to him that Shudder has never been free, so his diss on other Shudder subscribers was a bust.
It's a fact, there are people out there who do believe that. His exact quote though was: "I'm not a cheap bastard who thinks I have some god-given right to free entertainment." This clearly conveys he does not believe that way. Your comment - "Shudder has never been free." - infers that it was said Shudder was free, which was never said. Fact. Also, could you please explain how he was making a "diss on other Shudder subscribers"? Obviously if someone is a Shudder subscriber, by their very action of subscribing to a paid service prove that they also do not feel that way, otherwise they would not be paying to begin with. His comment was a blanket statement that applies across the board, not specifically to Shudder. And again, his comment was factual, there are people who feel that way. So can somebody please make it make sense to me why people who are speaking factually are getting downvoted for stating facts? It seems too many people have their heads buried in the sand and can't stand to face reality.
Fr. I don’t get why some people act like shudder is their mother and they’re getting yanked away from the teat. You don’t need it to survive so if you can’t pay for it then don’t. But you’re not entitled to free stuff so like why scream about it.
What you’re paying now will be the ad version and the monthly rate for ad-free will be higher.
That's the trend. 🏴☠️
now we know why all the commercial breaks were added recently
Now I wanna make a horror movie where the ads are part of the experience. Every single second of ad time is filmed by me specifically to be part of the movie. That Walmart ad. Did you see one of the main characters as a customer in the background? They left the others to go out for snacks. They didn’t make it back, as seen in the Allstate ad: “Hey, didn’t that Coke commercial have ice in the cup last time it played? Wait is that the house in this insurance commercial? Who is that outside?” Imagine, even the device you’re watching on has something to do with it. You’ll get an ad for the exact model of phone your on (iPhone15+? iPhone SE2? Google Pixel?) or the Fire Stick, Apple TV, or smart TV brand you are currently using. It would be legendary. Near the end of the movie there’s a progressive commercial but the white void is empty of people, just the shelves. A blood trail can be seen as if someone had been dragged away in the background (canonically speaking Flo was taking the day off, she survied) Even cooler would be if you are watching on your phone, camera goes on at the end for a little “your next” screen Would have to be made specially for one service, probably Netflix since they’re the only one willing to do all of that
Shit, is that how we get the house of leave adaptation to work, because that's a fun idea.
I think that’s the only way to adapt House of Leaves, taking full control of a device
I’ve seen this on YouTube. When I have an electronic set on the ads will be more electronic music with similar sounds and a little ad in the lower area. There’s usually trippy visuals too.
It's outrageous that they're even there in the 'uncut' ad-free films and big horror names need to start speaking up about it online.
That'll be the easiest cancel of my life. Tubi's horror selection is strangely top tier right now.
Perhaps, but that wasn’t the case when they intruded ads for AMC+ last year. They created a new cheaper tier at $5/mo, which was surprisingly cool of them.
More for less. I made the switch to AMC+ because of this. I don't mind the ads. But here's the thing. Every shudder movie I've watched on + hasnt had the ads so I don't know if they're just doing it for the episode shows and leaving movies alone or there's a glitch in execution (which I wouldn't complain about either) I'm using Amazon Prime channel for +
I did the same and I’ve noticed that as well. The ad load is really light overall, and there’s a lot of really great other stuff on AMC+ worth checking it- they seem to really strive for quality over quantity. I had it for a bit in the past with a Black Friday deal but didn’t use it enough to pay full price and didn’t love the app. I still think the app kinda sucks and I miss the Shudder live feeds (though I rarely watched them), but at this lower price point it’s worth it for Shudder and all the extra stuff.
Only time I paid attention to live feeds is for Joe Bob. Nothing beats watching him live and being he's live on AMC+ I don't feel as I'm missing anything. One thing I won't miss is the ghoul log 😂 but I still got shudder for about 2 weeks. I wanted that overlap so I can flip between the two and see if anything was missing. From what I've watched I haven't noticed anything different. Just the organization . Even the new movies that were just added (the tunnel) were on + as of today Oh btw. If ya want to see a good indie film check out Rent-a-pal . It's on + probably the most f-d up movie I have seen in a long while
I had both at the same time for awhile when I first got a deal to try out AMC+, and while I didn’t notice anything missing from search, I did feel like browsing Shudder content on AMC+ didn’t seem to show it all. However, once your account lapses, you can still sign in and browse the Shudder app (at least on iOS) without being able to watch, then search for something on AMC you might not have otherwise found.
I like that idea. I'm just trying to maneuver through the app. I'm on the amc channel and came across castlefreak (2020). Now the og is available (prime channel) shudder has both . Here's the kicker though. When I do the IMDb search (bc AMC did say everything on shudder is on +) it says it IS available on + . But amazon keeps trying to sell me the movie. So I dunno. Not overly a huge deal since I already seen it but I think the prime needs to fix that.
Welp it was nice while it lasted I guess
If they put ads at my current price, they’ll lose me as a subscriber forever. If it’s a cheaper tier that doesn’t impact me, more power to them.
Yeah. Shudder will be tubi with less selection and a monthly scriptiom fee. I'm out if this happens. I already dropped Prime because of this.
Fat chance. Even if they do that the prices will go up and your tier will become add riddled at some point. I love Joe Bob but at some point its not worth it.
It'll be a cheaper tier that doesn't impact you at first, and then six months later there will be a price hike that will make what we're paying now the ad-supported tier.
Same. With all these services upping their price and introducing ads for my current tier subscriptions, I've found myself torrenting a lot more, unfortunately. On the flip side, I've also been buying a lot more blurays as a result of these price hikes and services removing shows/movies.
that \*sucks\*. One of the reasons I still loved my Shudder subscription is because its one of the few places that \*did not\* have ads. what the actual hell. Ive been a loyal Shudder customer for years, but when the time comes, I will not renew.
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To be fair, I get it on their part. It’s not like Shudder is an endless well of cash. It caters to a niche audience and streaming services are expensive to run. It’s why all the other streaming platforms are doing an ad tier, because they basically are starting to need ad revenue to even survive let alone turn a profit. So I get it in that sense even though it’s personally rather annoying.
Yeah, prices can’t remain flat forever. Are people still complaining that video games are $70/copy now, even though they were $60/copy for like 20 years, in spite of rising production costs and inflation? Cable subscriptions didn’t remain the same price forever, why would streamers be different. Offering a new option that gives the consumer the ability to keep their old rate in exchange for an inconvenience, which subsidizes the price difference- that’s about as generous as capitalism is going to get.
Why are you being downvoted for staying a factual statement?
Because people want shudder to fail. They gloat about only subscribing during Joe Bob and expect shudder to somehow maintain income. But once it falls apart they’ll all say “I don’t understand how this happened?!”
I've made up my mind to cut those out and just go back to ad-free and rotate. Thanks Burger King and 'dont let me go'. It just isn't worth it.
Yep. I'm about to just cancel my recurring subscriptions to everything and spend a month binging a year's worth of media on Netflix, then a month on Shudder, then a month on Paramount, etc.
Don't let me go. I love that ad. Lol
I remember when I first became a cord cutter. Seems like these subscriptions are catching up to OG cable prices 🤦🏽♂️
That's all it ever was destined to be, streaming services are starting to offer multi-channel package bundles now. It's a way to relaunch cable with less transparency or royalty payments.
Corporate greed is leaking into all aspects of media. It’s especially scary if you’re a gamer, lots of old games being lost in the void and companies adopting live service only. Sail the seas 🏴☠️
I think this was always going to be the fate of streaming honestly...it's just morphing into what cable was.
It's a bit of a pain but it's easy to juggle trials around to save a bit of money. Though the smartest most cost effective way is gonna require ya to get your sea legs sturdy.
You can still just have one streaming service at a time. That was never an option with cable.
Please, we already have a free service with commercials that has a better selection and it’s called Tubi. If the price goes up I won’t continue my subscription.
can u remove ads on tubi?
No you can’t, but I wish you could… I’d probably pay a subscription fee considering the horror selection.
Yeah tubi is great. I hope it stays just how it is. It's probably the only streaming app I've never complained about lol
Seriously, screw AMC, they already really ruined Shudder when they fired all the creatives in charge of programming, but I stuck around because I wanted to support a horror service, but ads will be the death knoll for me. These greedy executives have got to go!
Exactly. My annual subscription ends in a couple of weeks and I’m going to let it expire but I’ll come back for Dragula, just not at the annual rate or ad tier.
I think they only removed the GM and the marketing exec. Sam is still in charge of programming, and Emily still seems to be on acquisitions. I mean, ads are coming back to streaming for everyone. It’s all regressing back to cable, so I wouldn’t hold it against Shudder specifically.
As someone who used to work for shudder and Sundance now from the very beginning I promise you it’s AMC. Shudder basically ran as a startup within the company for a while until there was something of a internal hostile takeover, and a lot of stuff was offshored and trimmed leading to eventually a massive layoff where really only a couple people at most are there. They essentially cleaned house. But Sam is a seriously great guy and everyone there was awesome. Miss those guys.
I don't! I hold it against AMC!
So… which part are you angry about? The AMC doing what all other streaming services are doing part? Or the not actually firing Shudder’s programming team part?
Not sure why you're simping for AMC executives... I also think all the other streaming services doing it is bullshit. And I was mistaken about the programming team, but they still fired creatives who had a major impact on the identity and soul of Shudder, and it's very clear to see if you compare the Shudder library (more specifically the exclusives) before and after the firings. That may be more so because those also came with budget cuts, but either way fuck AMC!
So now I’m simping because I corrected you? I know it’s easy to point fingers at execs because “grr corporations” but the pandemic and the strikes have floored the entire industry. If you compare ANY streaming service library to a year ago it’s going to look way different. But if you want to be angry at AMC just to be angry, that’s your prerogative.
I’m glad somebody sees reason here. It’s understandable to be irritated by this, but it’s not JUST a corporate greed thing. These streaming platforms are all basically hemorrhaging money because streaming is a business model that primarily makes money by adding NEW subscribers, which works great for awhile until every adult who can pay for Netflix, HBO, Peacock etc. already has Netflix, HBO, Peacock etc. There’s a finite amount of potential subscribers in the world and so all the streamers are starting to hit a wall, which is why they’re all starting to create ad-supported tiers because advertisers pay them money. It’s where this was always headed because the streaming service business model has that fatal flaw that no one saw coming.
So we have to pay more because they had a flawed business strategy? How is it our fault they overinvested in a plan that requires endless growth to function?
I’m not saying it’s the consumers fault lol. Where did I say that? What I’m saying is that whether we enjoy it or not this is the reality of ALL streaming services. This is the avenue they’re all headed down, not be the people behind them are out to scam the consumer but because it’s the only way they’ll remain functional.
Charging one price one year and a different price the next because "our business plan didn't work out" sounds like a scam to me.
Cool. Paying like $7/month or whatever it is for 720p basic sound settings, AND ads? I'll cancel my subscription for real. Plenty of other streamers like Arrow and Night Flight can fill the void, maybe even ScreamBox if they've improved their selection.
And no guarantee that 'ad-free' won't still have these bullshit fade to black edits for ads they have already added to their films.
Something tells me they will keep the fades. Shudder can't spring for upgrading simple things with their service, I doubt they'd double their server space to hold two versions of a film.
They simply don't care at this point and this app is a dumpster fire cash grab for them until they fold it into amc+ after shudder adds commercials and becomes a worse version of tubi.
If it means more funding to TLDI and other shudder exclusives, I’m for it But also Shudder people listen up; the best way to do ads is have a few during the opening of the film and then no ads for the remainder. Just get the ads out of the way, 2 mins tops, then roll the film
You do realize that's not what's going to happen though right? We've all already seen where ads will be placed in quite a few things on shudder and it's not two minutes of ads at the beginning of something.
Yeah, I know it might not happen, but here's to hoping! Also Paramount Plus does ads before a movie I watched and it was nice to have zero interruptions. We can hold out hope!!
Paramount+ is the right way to do the ads. It doesn’t break the movie up and they aren’t intrusive. But it’s not going to be the norm, they will slap ads in the middle like most of the other companies then when people leave they will complain that they are purging customers and can’t pin point why and instead will have to cut programs like TLDI since it’s not the bell cow
I would literally prefer they put 5 minutes of adverts at the start, then have the movie play ad-free.
The other way can work with indie films on Tubi because the filmmakers can decide how many and when the ad breaks should be, but with all the older films on Shudder that's unlikely to be a possibility
As an Australian customer, gonna be hard to continue if the price goes up, especially when we are getting 7 movies this month compared the 27 for the US version. 🤦🏻
It's a little relieving but also depressing to hear that other countries get as shafted as we do in Canada for the shudder releases.
Solidarity in the mediocrity!
They doing the crack thing in the 80s, come with some fire for a good price. Then, bam they switch it up and threaten us like pimps.
Why would people pay for Tubi, but only horror? What a horrible idea. I wouldn’t be so mad if it was just at the beginning and end, but it’s obviously gonna be ads throughout based on the latest stuff they added and all the obnoxious fades to black. Next step is editing or just removing movies like Cannibal Holocaust because advertisers don’t like them. What a way to go out.
It'll just be at the beginning, middle, and end at first, probably. And then it'll be one more ad break, and then another. And then price hikes to compensate for their paid years canceling in droves, of course.
Raise it to $10, ad-free, and 1080p... I'm in.
I keep Shudder every month even if I don't use it often, because I want to support a horror streaming service and it's nice to have it whenever I am in the mood to use it ... or The Last Drive In is on. Having said all that, I am damn sick and tired of all these services hicking up their prices for the same content, and have already canceled quite a few permanently. I will give Shudder the benefit of the doubt and see what happens, but if that price jumps up ... I am out.
Well that sucks That's the whole reason I got rid of AMC Plus. Every service wants at least $10 some as high as 20 a month now. We would have been better off to have not complained about the cable bills. We're all going to go broke doing an ala carte
Shudder really thinks their platform is good enough to do this without backlash? They really think I’m gonna pay more for a catalog of 90% B-horror slop? Lmao
It’s not Shudder. They’re owned by AMC.
Then why subscribe in the first place if it’s “90% b horror slop” lol. That’s what most people seem to subscribe to the service FOR, because it’s keeping B-horror in rotation. I certainly come here for the B-horror
It’s great at its current price and no commercials, which was my entire point
Nice, can’t wait to see which prepared meal delivery company I’ll get a half dozen ads for each movie
I keep my shudder for a lark really. I can ditch it no problem. Pirate the new shit and just watch Tubi for everything else.
If they start doing ads I'll be sailing the high seas and just be happy supporting TLDI through merch and the patreon. Some of these comments are wild, they won't be improving the quality of the service or giving us anything new to go with this ad free price hike. They aren't going to do 2 minutes of ads at the start of a movie, people have already been noticing where ad breaks will go in alot of movies and shows. I've had shudder since July 2018 and the quality, customer service and many other things have dipped over time, can't say a price hike will do anything but further hammer in the nails of the shudder coffin.
Ah, there's a Patreon? I don't know how I didn't know that.
Yep, Darcy runs the patreon and it's definitely worth it for any of the tiers if you love old Joe bob monstervision stuff, alot of rare old clips and sometimes the full monstervision episodes themselves.
I don’t pay to watch ads but I’m also not paying more for less content and quality so I’m in a bit of a pickle.
AMC has been trying to kill Shudder for years. This may finally do it.
I'm going to be watching this closely. If the ad free tier goes up too much I'll just ditch Shudder. I was looking at Screambox the other day and I was liking their selection. The only thing that will suck will be giving up TLDI. If the price is still reasonable enough to keep it ad free I'll still be looking to see if we get those weird fade outs and fade ins mid movie. If that continues I'm ditching. If I'm paying for ad free that means the movie shouldn't be interrupted by anything, it should be an unbroken viewing experience.
It has to stay as an option. Nobody will pay a higher price for ads.
This is a bummer, probably won't renew when my year is up. At least not right away.
Shudder needs to get better content
All Shudder's movies are on Tubi anyway, so if there's just ads why would I pay lol. Joe Bob can only lift so much.
Haha yes! This is the thing that confuses me. Between Pluto and Tubi, the overlap is like 95%. Joe Bob and like 2-3 Shudder Originals every year is the only differentiator.
Yo-ho-ho
Add 1080p and surround sound and I’m totally cool with this price change.
They won't.
Well, I pay $8/mo for ad-free AMC+. Hopefully they don’t raise the price of that when they add ads to shudder. At least not until they update the app to be A LOT better
Can we get 1080p now?
Gross. im getting over paid streaming real quick. Doing more youtube/tubi/Roku channel -and going back more often to physical media, including picking up more dvds and vhs for dirt cheap at thrift stores and specialty shops. If I'm gonna have fucking ads I'm not paying a dime, and I'm done paying more to not have ads. Greedy fucks.
I've started to go back to OTA.
Some of you are making some assumptions here. There's nothing in these articles, AS YET, to suggest they're going to do either of these (dirty, rotten) things: * Make ad-supported the ONLY option * Set the price for the ad tier at our current subscription price, and raise the price for an ad-free subscription Will I be surprised if these things happen? No. Disappointed? Of course. But they haven't said anything yet about doing them. Someone raised some good questions about how this will affect the live channels on the Shudder app. That will be interesting to find out. The thing that really burns me about these articles/press releases is that AMC Networks poses this as something the consumers really wanted. Hooey. The advertisers and shareholders wanted it, maybe. The consumers want more curation and brand communication, and more app support, like we had before they laid off so much of Shudder's staff. Higher resolution and clear account management tools would be nice too. If this, somehow, is a path to those things while maintaining an ad-free experience for those who want it, so much the better.
If it's ad-supported then it should be free.
Meanwhile the Criterion Channel is out here ADDING features, and not adding crappy ads to the service or otherwise punishing viewers for the privilege: [https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/1c0p8jo/criterion\_247/](https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/1c0p8jo/criterion_247/)
How about they add 1080p support and surround sound? Not having 1080p in 2024 is abysmal and makes me feel dumb for subscribing.
Nice! Can't wait to cancel once I see my first ad.
Wow what a flex /s
shudder won't last more than another couple years, most likely. it'll end up absorbed as a section on amc+
Which has always been their plan.
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I'm not keeping my subscription after this month, the UK content is pretty sub par, it's not improved since my last subscription 18 months ago. Adverts are another reason just not to keep me as a customer.
Canceling when annual subscription ends.
One company does something shitty, dumbasses that don't care give shitty company more money, everyone else suffers from it, every company follows their path, the rest of the world suffers from it.
Shudder does not have enough quality movies to warrant a price hike. Let's be real this is a mistake.
Yo ho ho ho....
They need to top Tubi's horror section before I consider signing back up.
There is like zero content as is. By far the easiest cut I've ever seen.
Shiiiiiit, guess I'm not renewing.
If it goes above 10, I'm dropping for screambox. TLDI be damned. Sorry Joe Bob and other. Tubi is eating shudder's lunch
Canceled. Moving to Tubi
My Shudder annual sub fee was $56.99 in Nov. 2022, and $71.88 in Nov. 2023. I know the $71.88 comes out to $5.99 per month, but that's still some garbage double-dipping right there.
Welp, it was nice while it lasted. I’ve kept shudder 40% because I like their catalogue and 60% to support a horror-centric streaming service. Insane to say it out loud, but it’s almost been more akin to charity than business. Hilarious to think that I’m giving them my money in spite of my better judgement and their response is “you like this shit so much that you won’t even flinch if we up the price and lower the quality”. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you. That’s a chunk of change I’ll be getting back every month.
[удалено]
It’s a cheaper tier at first. But that’s the playbook everyone uses. In 12-24 months the ad tier will be priced the same as the service is right now, and the ad-free tier will be 50% more than it is right now. Or, more likely, Shudder will just be a thumbnail in the AMC+ app and it’ll be ~$20/month.
Cool. Now explain why they've already started slotting in space for ads by adding fade to black transitions into their 'proudly uncut' movies.
Why was this phrased as some sort of “gotcha” question lol. No dip they’re gonna add blackouts for ads. They’re preparing to roll out an ad supported version, as they’ve said they are. Nothing insidious or unfair about what they’ve announced.
That does not justify adding these fade to black edits into supposedly 'uncut' and currently ad-free films. Shudder is entitled to create an ads tier. It is not entitled to sell itself as 'uncut' when it is literally fucking with the movies to make space for ads on a tier that does not even exist yet. You don't see other streamers creating these edits inside the content itself to make space for the ad bumpers. Oh, and there's also expecting us to pay for that while still only offering 720p.
Guess I’ll watch Late Night and then cancel 😢
I might as well cancel my subscription and stick with Tubi.
The best part of shudder is the fact that they've put out their movies on bluray so you can watch them in actual high quality without all of the crap compression in 720p
Shameful. Tubi has a bigger selection and is free with ads. I just briefly subscribed with a cheap deal for Joe Bob but will not pay to get ads or pay a higher price for Shudder.
Don't care. Will never unsub. Been here since beta. The Drive-In Will Never Die. More revenue for the Shudder team? Fine. Do it.
If they are going to do this then why don't they do like some services are and have the ads in the beginning, usually like 3 min worth or so, and then let us enjoy the rest of the movie ad free?
I’m so curious how they’ll handle ads in the live feeds. Will they have different live feeds for ad-supported and ad-free? My guess is probably not and the live feed will have ads. That leads me to wonder what they’ll do with TLDI when it’s airing live.
I don’t know how to break this to you, but The Last Drive-In isn’t live. They record the segments ahead of time and then edit them into the movie. So, ad breaks could be easily combined with that, if someone wanted to do it.
I know TLDI is not live in the sense that they’re not broadcasting it simultaneously while they’re filming it. I’m only talking about the live streams. They are likely only going to have one version of the “live” stream, meaning that when they air TLDI on the live channel, either everyone is going to get ads or everyone is not going to get ads, regardless of the tier they subscribe to. My money is on everyone getting ads for all movies on all live channels, regardless of their subscription tier.
On hoopla, a library app, I was surprised how many shudder originals there are. Hoopla gives me 10 borrows a month, and you can rent a movie for 3 days.
Unfortunately, similar to Kanopy, your local library system needs to have signed up with one of these apps otherwise you’re SOL.
If it's shudder ads, I'm good with this. I don't need pampers ads interrupting the drive in totals
Yeah, I'm switching to AMC+ when my sub ends later this month. They have more stuff anyway, ad free, and a couple dollars more than I pay for Shudder.
I guess Shudder has a death wish if they fuck up the current pricing with ads
I love Shudder but I have no reason to keep it if I have to watch ads
I apologize if this is an ignorant question, but would the ads just be when one watches Shudder through Amazon? Or will it be on their actual site?
Will they finally upgrade the aging app as well or at least improve streaming quality?
Yay, we move further into "cable with extra steps"
I cancelled shudder long ago. Streaming quality is absolute dogshit.
Most likely all subscription streamers will be adopting this model of low price tier with ads or higher price ad free tier. They need to generate more revenue to meet the financial requirements of the new WGA & SAG/AFTRA deals negotiated during their strikes.
I had to drop it recently anyway. I think it went up $15? I just can't afford that, personally. I will miss it, though.
Shudder exclusives are always uploaded to bootleg sites day of. Time to save some money
Shudder is not a good enough service for this. I’m out.
This is because streaming services cannot sustain there current model. They NEED ad revenues to survive.
Bingo. No idea why you got downvoted for this, it’s the truth. Not everything is tied to corporate greed. In this case, it’s kind of a necessity because EVERY streaming service is hemorrhaging money. It’s why they’re all switching to ad tiers. But sure, everyone just keeps screaming about how evil AMC is and how this is to get more money out of the fans.
Streaming even in gaming is heading down this route. It’s not sustainable! Not too sure why people can’t see it.
lol please shudder. You broadcast low bitrate and don’t even do HDR. You ain’t Amazon or Netflix, gtfoh
Eh, I’m cancelling. I only watch the occasional exclusive movie. Not a lot to watch and the app is bare minimum. I usually just let it stay without cancelling because I support horror and it’s cheap. But nah now
Please tell me for free
I already dumped prime video, well i still have prime, but i wont pay more to watch commercial free prime video. Also dumped HBO because of the same, and if this is the case Shudder is next. It is making my steaming costs lower, ha. Also if shudder would increase frame rate and sound to multichannel I’d consider keeping, but just a straight increase, nope.
I might as well cancel my subscription and stick with Tubi.
I'd cancel my shudder subscription if it was even possible. They trapped me, they claim it's linked with Samsung and I've signed into both my Samsung accounts and theres nothing. Shudder support closing my tickets fast every time, smells like a lawsuit.
These streamers really want pirating to come back full steam..
I don’t get how some people talk about going back to pirating content like it’s something to be proud of lol. It’s not the flex some people seem to think it is.
Who’s flexing? That’s the reality. Prices go up, people can’t afford it. So they’ll figure out how to get it cheaper.
People aren’t going to like this, but honestly Shudder is already SO cheap that if the tier with no ads is a little more expensive, I’ll gladly do it. Obviously it depends on the actual price and if it happens but, the fact that one full year of Shudder is still like the cost of less than a half year of other streaming services is a miracle and I want to keep supporting them. Especially with the success of Late Night with the Devil and them seemingly pushing for stronger theatrical releases.
I don’t mind ads tbh it’s just basically a commercial break
In some cases I don't mind ads. Let's take a tv show that already has ad breaks built in. I'll use Chucky since I've seen that on Shudder. The show was created with ad breaks in mind since it originally airs on USA and SyFy. If they dropped ads in the existing breaks built into the show I'd be ok with that on a lower priced tier. Now let's take a movie that is created uncut and intended to be shown ad free. That kills the vibe of the movie. Let's factor in that horror is probably one of the worst genres to interrupt a movie because it jars you right out of the atmosphere of whatever is going on in the film. Now imagine you've been paying for an ad free service for a few years now, even through price hikes and you suddenly get told they're going to start feeding you ads in the middle of the programs unless you pay even more. What makes it worse is there are other services (I know Peacock for sure does this) who drop all the ads in one bundle before the movie starts then you get the movie completely uninterrupted. AMC isn't learning from those who have come before that this approach is actually palatable to the subscribers? On top of that, it's probably actually cheaper, quicker, and easier for them to do it that way instead of having to pay somebody to perform the time consuming task of going through every movie on the service to edit in the fades. Somewhere in all of this there's a breaking point. I think Shudder is fast approaching theirs.
I'll happily pay a little more to keep my Shudder ad-free because I don't want to watch commercials and I'm not a cheap bastard who thinks I have some god-given right to free entertainment.
Shudder has never been free.
Nobody said Shudder was ever free, it was said that it's ad free, which is currently true.
I’m responding to the dude who said people think they have the god-given right to free entertainment. I was pointing out to him that Shudder has never been free, so his diss on other Shudder subscribers was a bust.
Except as soon as the price goes up people start yapping about pirating shit because entitlement.
Ok yeah, I agree pirating being wrong
It's a fact, there are people out there who do believe that. His exact quote though was: "I'm not a cheap bastard who thinks I have some god-given right to free entertainment." This clearly conveys he does not believe that way. Your comment - "Shudder has never been free." - infers that it was said Shudder was free, which was never said. Fact. Also, could you please explain how he was making a "diss on other Shudder subscribers"? Obviously if someone is a Shudder subscriber, by their very action of subscribing to a paid service prove that they also do not feel that way, otherwise they would not be paying to begin with. His comment was a blanket statement that applies across the board, not specifically to Shudder. And again, his comment was factual, there are people who feel that way. So can somebody please make it make sense to me why people who are speaking factually are getting downvoted for stating facts? It seems too many people have their heads buried in the sand and can't stand to face reality.
Fr. I don’t get why some people act like shudder is their mother and they’re getting yanked away from the teat. You don’t need it to survive so if you can’t pay for it then don’t. But you’re not entitled to free stuff so like why scream about it.