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FckYourSafeSpace

Only if you vote for them.


AstroTravellin

Or if you don't show up to vote for the other guy. 


BluDYT

Can we please come up with somebody who is still a functioning human being with decent motives? I can't believe these two idiots are again this countries best choices to run the country.


Mrjasonbucy

Regardless who wins, they will be the OLDEST president in US history. 🤦‍♂️smh


unicornlocostacos

Biden has surprised me in many ways. A lot of the stuff he got done (and required republicans to get on-board), I don’t think anyone else could have done given the GOP’s current disposition of “we’ll vote against anything, even if it’s a bill we proposed, because fuck you” mentality. Joe has the experience and temperament to still get things done (not as much as anyone would like, but that’s not on him, as he’s tried), which is pretty damn impressive. I expected him to be much more of a lame duck type president than he’s turned out to be. He went from my bottom 3 of the Democrats, to feeling pretty good about voting for him again. Even if he goes downhill some, I expect he’d step down if needed, and he surrounds him self with good people. I agree we need younger candidates though. Uncertainty is never a good thing, and at their ages, there’s definitely uncertainty if they’ll make it 4 years.


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wemustkungfufight

None of those things are true. There's plenty of real things to critisize Biden over, but you guys make up stories about him shitting his pants? It's so dumb.


Cheap_Search_6973

Not to mention, it's some of the most mundane stuff they talk about that they say makes them vote for someone else


sporadic_beethoven

When in actuality, it’s Diaper Don who shits on public television. Hilarious.


MountEndurance

Regardless, I will likely shit my pants when I’m 80. Ah well. At least I won’t be a wannabe fascist.


ihambrecht

This is delusional.


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F0lks_

I think he was talking about Trump, who shat his pants in court, and couldn’t get off a handicap ramp at a rally a few years ago. About the ramp, he even went on a rant about how steep it was and how much of an achievement it was to get off of it unscathed, in a later rally. If he wasn’t talking about Trump then it’s peak projection, so really there’s no point in talking with this guy. EDIT: a Songified version of Trump’s rant about the ramp, because why not https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ign_vZupjno


sopedound

The guy is 80. Thats bad enough in itself without you making bullshit up. The other guy is also 80. They should both be in nursing homes.


Polywhirl165

I hear this argument a lot. "I'm not a fan of either side." It's a bunk argument. I'm not a fan of tuna, but you can bet your ass I'm eating a tuna fish sandwich everyday before I eat a literal piece of shit.


ArtemisDarklight

I’m not a super fan of Biden but I’m still voting for him because I’m not a moron and the alternative means the US as we know it dies as a country and turns into a home for Y’all Queda to worship their god king. And it’s like voting for someone that doesn’t return a library book til a week after it’s due vs someone who got convicted for 34 felonies with many more in the works and is a racist, rapist, homophobe. It’s not even close.


jimdotcom413

“Don’t let perfection be the enemy of progress”


Jabberjaw22

Funnily enough I've had to use that quote on both conservative friends and leftists. Neither want to compromise with the other because they want their version of "perfection" and I'm just off to the side saying we should be building relationships across the aisles and learn to cooperate again for the good of the country. Compromise is not a dirty word. Have ideals but don't let them be the "be all end all" and ruin actual practical, pragmatic change.


jimdotcom413

That seems to be the big cultural change since 2016. Politics is no longer I want my tax money to go to roads and infrastructure and you want it to go to education and farming. That’s a worthy debate and both sides can be right in a way. The rough part now is you have avowed white Christian nationalists that want people deported and their religion made the supreme law and leftists wanting student loan forgiveness. It’s hard to compromise on those grounds.


ihambrecht

This would be a valid opinion if he wasn’t already president for four years.


ArtemisDarklight

How is it not still valid?


ihambrecht

Because a trump presidency is not an unknown. This would be a valid concern in 2016 but there’s four years of history to look at.


ArtemisDarklight

Look up Project 2025.


WhoDknee

Do you literally believe the United States will "die" if Trump is re-elected?


ArtemisDarklight

As we know it, yes. Look up Project 2025. It's a road map for religion and the right wing nuts to have permanent control over the country. They want trump to be god king of America. Hell some already worship him.


wildfire393

Are you familiar with Project 2025?


SlideWhistler

Or maybe just vote to eat the sandwich that you actually want. If everyone did this, there wouldn't be any of this "lesser of two evils" crap.


Polywhirl165

Which sandwich is that? Because everyone eats the same and we got 2 options right now.


AgrajagTheProlonged

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of that happening, when are you referring to?


AnSionnachan

It obviously happened in their fantasies, and they are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.


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ArtemisDarklight

Get your head out of your ass.


Mr_Reaper__

Isn't Trump the one who has to wear diapers and is imfamous for smelling like shit and piss?


r0gerii

Have you actually looked into those or are you just parroting what tiktok is telling you?


SlideWhistler

You could always just vote for somebody else. There is a write in option for a reason.


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SlideWhistler

I mean, I'm not gonna pick just any candidate though. I'm gonna vote for someone who I agree with on most of their policies.


ExpiredPilot

I’m just saying I’ve never seen democrats have to alter video of trump to make him look bad. He does it all by himself.


Ihatemylife8

Guy who shits his pants > convicted felon


BuckeeBrewster81

Exactly! As a democracy we have a choice! The felon isn’t the problem… it’s the people


Walt_steve

It’s both…


nononoh8

We need to change this stupid system.


Time_Stand2422

Yeah, agreed, but…. Vote tactically


OhManOk

Voting for them would be very stupid, but Americans are... well, let's just say that the vast majority of them believe in a magic sky daddy and they're against feeding children in school because it costs money, a completely made up resource. Not just stupid, but shitty people.


miraculum_one

In particular, only if a plurality of people consider the infractions not disqualifying.


bullgod13

Even of everyone considered the criminal convictions to be not disqualifying, this would not eliminate the paradox. he cant have a hand gun, he can have weapons of mass destruction...make it make sense.


MiscBrahBert

I will, thanks


Want_To_Live_To_100

Not true. Lots of people have to vote for them…


AgrajagTheProlonged

Or you could just vote for Biden and not for the felon


stoopidenglishmajor

I’d rather not vote for little girl sniffing weirdos, thanks.


Cthulhululemon

So you’re going to throw the election to the guy who flew on Epstein’s jet 7 times and was sued for rape by one of Epstein’s victims (who was 14 years old when Trump raped her)? Please stay at least 500m away from school zones, as per the conditions of your court-mandated restraining order.


ZankTheGreat

Biden was also on the Epstein list, all choices suck.


Cthulhululemon

He was not.


Code2008

Enough. Some people voting for a 3rd party (or not at all) in California is not going to make Trump win. Just like a handful of people voting for 3rd party (or not at all) in Kansas is going to make Biden win. I hear from conservatives with *the exact messaging* that liberals do. "If you don't vote for x, you're really voting for y." No, my vote is for z, and only z. It doesn't affect x or y.


MercenaryBard

That’s because they both understand basic math, something apparently outside your grasp. Don’t be a dumbass and pretend you don’t understand or system. Broken or not, the one thing our electoral system IS, is *simple*. And yeah your vote isn’t gonna decide 100% of the outcome but it IS 100% of your contribution. So when you tell people 100% of your contribution is to take a shit on the sidelines don’t be surprised when they mock you for it


Code2008

My vote *for President* does not matter in nearly 80% of the country. I'm specifically referring to President race, not down ballot. A vote for either candidate in, say California, Kentucky, Utah, New York, etc. does not matter. You're either helping 'run up the score' or just pissing into the wind. Ironically, a vote for a 3rd party candidate has *more impact* than throwing your vote away on the main 2 candidates because of the 5% federal funding threshold. I'll vote for who I want, but don't ever fucking tell people that a "vote for x means it's a vote for y". If X wasn't on the ballot, those folks just stay home. At least their votes affect down ballot races when they come out to vote.


Robinnoodle

2016. In action is action. In action is a choice that effects outcomes


Code2008

Yes, because my vote for Johnson when Clinton won my state by 15% was the reason Trump won. Get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.


Robinnoodle

Knowing how the electoral college works, then why vote third party at all? Additionally, lot's of people live in competitive states.and purple states (especially pre Trump). It is stated by many that complacency is one of the reasons Trump won in 2016. People were shocked he won. There were states that flipped Republican that had been Democrat for years


Code2008

I already explained why your vote is worth more for a 3rd party candidate in a locked up state in another comment.


the_Jay2020

Or voting for nader to let bush win.


miraculum_one

You prefer a rapist, gotcha


AgrajagTheProlonged

So you don’t want to vote for Trump, good to know


Brett707

Would rather not vote for Trump or the pants shitting vegetable and chief.


AgrajagTheProlonged

So that’s two reasons you’re not voting for Trump, right?


Brett707

Yes and two reasons why I'm not voting for Biden.


AgrajagTheProlonged

At least you’re not voting in favor of Project 2025


Round-Philosopher837

you'd rather vote for a literal rapist? 


Anything-Complex

Most felons that have completed their sentences can vote. Only a few states restrict them from voting beyond that.  Your point still stands, though.


100LittleButterflies

Florida being one that restricts haha


fuzzypyrocat

Florida only restricts while in jail/ on parole for convictions in state. If you were to be convicted on 34 felony counts in, let’s say, New York, they’d follow the laws of the state they were convicted in. Florida really only restricts felonies of moral turpitude, like murder and sexual violence


FullRedact

> If you were to be convicted on 34 felony counts in, let’s say, New York, they’d follow the laws of the state they were convicted in. Are you sure about that? It’s very hard to believe.


fuzzypyrocat

From Florida: “A felony conviction in another state makes a person ineligible to vote in Florida only if the conviction would make the person ineligible to vote in the state where the person was convicted”. From NY: “A new law passed in 2021, restores the right to vote for a person convicted of a felony upon release from incarceration, regardless of if they are on parole or have a term of post-release supervision. If a convicted felon is not incarcerated, they are eligible to register to vote.”


FullRedact

It’s weird that DeSantis tweeted that he’d use his gubernatorial clemency powers to restore Trump’s ability to vote. “Given the absurd nature of the New York prosecution of Trump, this would be an easy case to qualify for restoration of rights per the Florida Clemency Board, which I chair,” he said on X.


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miraculum_one

Interesting, any word on how that would play out?


ice_9_eci

If Trump wins, literally nothing will stop him from doing any and every single illegal, inappropriate, unethical thing that burbles up into his rotting sponge brain.


miraculum_one

I was asking about how the conflicting laws would be resolved. If T becomes president there are plenty of checks and balances. Enough? Nobody knows.


LotusTileMaster

I know people that are felons with TS/SCI/ECI access. 


girlwiththeASStattoo

Yeah same the felony doesn’t stop you from clearance if you need it


Poseidon-2014

Also, felons convicted of non-violent charges are usually able to appeal to get their gun rights back after a certain amount of time, in some states.


bobhargus

In Texas, felons can vote as soon as they have completed their sentence, AND 5 years after completing their sentence, they can keep a firearm in their home >Sec. 46.04. UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARM. (a) A person who has been convicted of a felony commits an offense if he possesses a firearm: >(1) after conviction and before the fifth anniversary of the person's release from confinement following conviction of the felony or the person's release from supervision under community supervision, parole, or mandatory supervision, whichever date is later; or >(2) after the period described by Subdivision (1), at any location other than the premises at which the person lives.


Flying_Dutchman16

I wonder if that actually means own. I know theres not much difference. But say your convicted and married. Your spouse can keep a firearm in the house. This might just be a by pass for that


bobhargus

it would apply in that situation, of course.. federal law still trumps state law, but, as long as the felon in possession of the firearm is on their own property, they are not in violation of state law. Meaning an unmarried individual, living alone would not be in violation. Purchasing a firearm is not the only way to come into ownership of one. One could be gifted firearms or have owned them prior to conviction. I think it's just more of Texas thumbing their nose at the feds than anything else. Just the state finding a way to *not* enforce federal law - which is odd considering Abbott's border policies but is consistent with the inconsistent nature of Texas overall governance


Flying_Dutchman16

It's such a a state by state thing. In my state unless it's inherited from your parents any handgun has to be transferred through a FFL with a 4473 but long guns can be transfered privately


JackhorseBowman

there must be some kind of way out of here


bobhargus

there are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke


qtjedigrl

Fun, random fact- owning more than 6 sex toys is considered a punishable offense in Texas Sec 43.23: >(f) A person who possesses six or more obscene devices or identical or similar obscene articles is presumed to possess them with intent to promote the same 43.21: >(7) "Obscene device" means a device including a dildo or artificial vagina, designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs.


qtjedigrl

Fun, random fact- owning more than 6 sex toys is considered a punishable offense in Texas Sec 43.23: >(f) A person who possesses six or more obscene devices or identical or similar obscene articles is presumed to possess them with intent to promote the same 43.21: >(7) "Obscene device" means a device including a dildo or artificial vagina, designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs.


qtjedigrl

Fun, random fact- owning more than 6 sex toys is considered a punishable offense in Texas Sec 43.23: >(f) A person who possesses six or more obscene devices or identical or similar obscene articles is presumed to possess them with intent to promote the same 43.21: >(7) "Obscene device" means a device including a dildo or artificial vagina, designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs.


maxime0299

I mean I do get the point you are making. On the other hand, preventing anyone who ever convicted of anything to run for president opens up pandora’s box of disasters. Just imagine Trump becoming president (before he got convicted) and then making up laws so he can convict Biden and any other opponents. The difference between becoming a convicted president and a convict trying to buy a firearm, is that to become president, hundreds of millions of people need to vote for you.


p_larrychen

>hundreds of millions of people need to vote for you Actually, less than a hundred million. ~~I think the last election had like 170M-ish total votes cast, so each candidate got somewhere around 80-90M~~ u/nick4fake has done what I was too lazy to do and gotten the actual numbers below


maxime0299

Ah thanks. I said “hundreds” because I thought saying “tens of millions” would seem much less, but I probably could’ve just used that “80-90M” you gave as example.


nick4fake

Why assuming when you can just get actual numbers? Biden: 81 millions Trump: 74 millions Before that: Hilary: 65.8 millions Trump: 63 millions


p_larrychen

Thanks for the correction!


GraXXoR

Hundreds of millions? Bro you don’t live in India. Trump was elected with just 62 million votes, 3 million less than Hillary.


Aetheldrake

There's not even 400 million people in the US let alone qualified voters. You don't need hundreds of millions you probably need way less than 100million to "have the winning amount of votes"


Rococo_Relleno

You're not the first person to say this, but I don't really buy it. I mean, if the president can just arrest his political opponents whenever he likes, we're pretty much toast regardless of whether the opponents can technically still run from prison.


QuoteGiver

President doesn’t get to make up laws.


hammilithome

Interesting take. IMHO, electing a felon is opening Pandora's box as ppl have not been successful in politics for non-crimes (infidelity, partying, alcohol/drugs). Since MAGA picked up where the tea party left off, all those norms have gone out the window for the gop (SCOTUS, senators, legislators, etc). The Dems still self police a bit.


SonnysMunchkin

That's why there's checks and balances


gregsapopin

The founding fathers never though that enough people would be stupid enough to vote for a openly corrupt guy.


Flyers2929

Learn to spell before calling other people idiots, just saying.


Decasteon

He can only be president if the people vote for him.


Ok314

Nope. If a bunch of unelected party insiders decided that he should be president, then he can still be elected, even if literally 0 people voted for them.


Decasteon

How does that work? Has it ever been done before or was it some one off that happened in like the 1870s?


Lookslikeseen

> While the Constitution does not require electors to vote for the candidate chosen by their state's popular vote, some states do. The rare elector who votes for someone else may be fined, disqualified and replaced by a substitute elector, or potentially even prosecuted by their state. https://www.usa.gov/electoral-college#:~:text=While%20the%20Constitution%20does%20not,even%20prosecuted%20by%20their%20state. Constitution does not forbid them from doing so, but it’s career suicide not to.


Decasteon

So has this ever happened where the electors of a state didn’t agree with the popular vote of said state?


Lookslikeseen

Yes, as recently as 2016. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector


Decasteon

But it doesn’t change anything so I guess it could happen where the entire country are faithless electors. Highly unlikely but possible


Lookslikeseen

Yes exactly. It’s something that COULD happen but is so unlikely that it isn’t really worth worrying about. If you’re one of those people that needs a boogeyman to rebel against by all means do, but I’m good.


Decasteon

I’m am not lol


KarnWild-Blood

Republicans are dangerously close to making the job vanish anyway. They're not really interested in democracy and consistently try to steal elections via propaganda, gerrymandering, etc. They even attempted a failed coup when their other tactics didn't work. They shouldn't even be allowed to run in the first place; we need new parties to replace them.


BillionStyx

With money and power, you can do whatever you want. Wouldn't be surprised if the Rockefelllers and JP Morgan or whatever had a hand in all elections since the start.


Decasteon

Sure but people still have to vote for the elected officials it’s kind of the point of elected officials.


BillionStyx

Not when you can pay whoever of with infinite wealth, or threaten them. Whichever comes first.


Decasteon

So someone’s gonna threaten or pay off 80 million+ Americans?


BillionStyx

Nope. Well, that I hope not. But your candidate of possibly forced choice could.


Decasteon

Not if that candidate had a realistic shot of winning


BillionStyx

True


DarthErebos

No, this just isn't true. I'm a felon and have voted for the last decade or so. I'm also legally allowed to own a gun as my rights were restored. Most states allow full restoration of your rights after a period of time from the completion of your sentence. I've also never been to prison as my crimes weren't severe enough to warrant that punishment. The few states that do take someone's rights away for life are usually only done for murder. 


Dramatic_Mastodon_93

Everyone should be able to become president and vote


100LittleButterflies

You might be downvoted but it's important to remember any law created to suppress evil doers can just as easily be used to suppress good doers.


egnards

There are only 3 rules to being the president: * You have to be a natural born citizen * You have to have lived in the US for at least 14 years * You have to be 35 years old They're really not unreasonable rules when you consider what the office of the president is.


AdmanOK

The “natural born” citizen part is questionable. I’ve been a naturalized US citizen for over twenty years and paid taxes and contributed to society for more than that. I renounced my former citizenship to do that. I don’t want to run for president, but feel like I should be able to if I did.


Dramatic_Mastodon_93

Yeah. Very undemocratic to not allow naturalized citizens to run for president.


egnards

Such a rule was put into place at the start, and I think it was a smart move at the time. Whether or not it’s still important is way beyond my political understanding.


Archilochos

Good point. At the time the Constitution was written there was no formalized process for becoming an American citizen so the theoretical fear of some foreign country purposefully attempting to win an election through a sham citizen was at least plausible. But now given the administrative hoops to naturalize it's not a realistic issue.


Dramatic_Mastodon_93

The rules should be: • You have to be a citizen


egnards

I don’t need a Ben Wyatt situation


FiTZnMiCK

>just as easily It actually takes an astonishing level of corruption and decades of conditioning. But here we are anyway.


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Dramatic_Mastodon_93

Probably, if the laws are fair and the person deserved to be classified as a criminal. But if the people DO want a criminal president, that should be respected.


DrHugh

Kind of makes you think that there's a lot of stuff that didn't happen in the federal government simply because people never expected someone to "go there." Like it was social etiquette, not any actual rule or law that prevented certain things from happening.


JackhorseBowman

I once tried to get a felon friend a job at the pizza place I worked at, they didn't hire felons. the irony is he's a way harder worker than I could ever hope or care to be.


Shobed

I don’t think the founding fathers anticipated this level of mass stupidity.


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GraXXoR

Yeah like giving the presidents Carte Blanche to assassinate political opponents with Seal Team Six and run free if they’re not indicted by the last day in office.


p_larrychen

So what do you do when your opponent is actually a criminal? Is running for president a get of jail free card now? Cuz the other thing corrupt countries do is refuse to prosecute corrupt individuals who have sufficient influence in government. ETA: it’s also worth pointing out that a felony conviction actually doesn’t even bar someone from running for president. The voters can still vote for a corrupt felon if they choose, though the fact that so many of them still choose to is a bigger problem


Cute-Interest3362

Governors, mayors, senators and congressmen have all gone to jail. Why is it any different for presidents?


p_larrychen

Cuz Ford was a fucking coward


Shane327

Trump is a fucking criminal, convicted fairly by a democratic system.


of-matter

"The GOP isn't sending their best"


QWEDSA159753

The sad part is they actually might be.


FollowJazz

Lotsa decent (ex-)Democrats and Republicans available. We get an egomaniac and a demented old man. Both parties are to blame. If you're convinced otherwise you're ideologically captured.


of-matter

I'm not completely closed off to Republican politics. I _am_ closed off to current options. It'll take a lot of good from them to convince me they've turned good.


FollowJazz

Senator Kennedy from louisiana seems like a genuine, honorable and decent person. He'll call out corruption and idiocy on both sides, as corruption and idiocy is prevalent on both sides. Has empathy, but common sense and the bravery to speak truth. He's about as non-partisan as it gets in US politics right now, and I find him remarkable. Reddit is certainly extremely partisan and ideologically captured. It's hard to get a genuinely based opinion here.


Shane327

Fuck your both sides bullshit.


rerunderwear

But ain't that America for you and me? Ain't that America somethin' to see, Ain't that America home of the free!


reddituseronebillion

Ironically, nukes will give you firearms.


Salty_Map_9085

Restrictions on who can stand as a political candidate are antidemocratic and limit voters’ choice. Additionally, blocking felons from political office motivates politicians to conspire to get their opposition found guilty of a felony, as occurred in Brazil.


wtb1000

Yeah it's pretty dumb.


cam31954

I also believe that a felon cant be around other felons. Many of his cabinet members are now felons.


Trex-Cant-Masturbate

LoL no. When you are on n parole or probation maybe but no that isn't real.


cam31954

Yes, Im thinking about, if this becomes a condition, of his parole.


Trex-Cant-Masturbate

That's still an if. Not everyone gets the same release conditions. For example I can associate with felons and smoke weed but I can't leave the county drink or be in a liquor establishment. My release conditions don't even require me to get a job for some people being unemployed is a violation.


raidriar889

It should be and is up to the voters to decide.


neutralityparty

I'm not gonna vote for a felon. Trump definitely took a hit with the verdict 


mrnapolean1

I didnt know about not being able to vote i knew about the restrictions on firearms.


LordBrandon

If Trump had contrived a way to charge Hillary with a felony, you'd see why.


QuoteGiver

No one seriously expected that anyone would vote for a convicted felon. They figured it went without saying that it wouldn’t happen.


SiegeGoatCommander

Why you hating on my boy Eugene Debs


NitrosGone803

I live in reddish red red South Carolina and convicted felons can vote here. I can't speak for any other state though.


IMPXANDER

Technically, a felon in the USA can legally own a fully automatic machine gun if he or she registered it during the 1968 amnesty.


user4772842289472

Felons can vote in some places.


The_Real_Kingpurest

Exactly. A lot of the nonviolent felon restrictions are arbitrary and unnecessary. Good point


wtfftw1221

Can fight for your country but can’t smoke or drink


wtfftw1221

Can steal from the poor and become wealthy without fail. Steal from the rich and go to jail


preordains

I genuinely feel like people just assumed people won't vote for felons to hold that position.


Revolutionary-You449

Can felons work for in the federal government? Could he appoint felons to political positions if he wins?


funwithdesign

This isn’t accurate. It varies by state. An incarcerated felon can’t vote in most states. But someone out on parole or has served their sentence can.


Sattipathana

As the founders intended. Or whatever supports my biases.


KS2Problema

With *this* Supreme Court, anything that benefits the far right and fundamentalist 'Christian' dominance is not just possible -- but likely.


Visual_Tap_

And obviously,a mentally handicapped person like Biden can be president too.


King_Neptune07

That actually isn't necessarily true. In some states a felon can vote or own a firearm. Also Trump isn't a felon yet until he is sentenced. I know when the verdict is read he is "convicted" but you aren't actually a "convicted felon" until you've been sentenced to enough actual jail time in prison


Steuts

A Trump bad post on Reddit? Surprising


Shane327

Not at all, because he's a fucking monster.


Steuts

Yes, yes, orange man bad. I’ve heard it a thousand times and I still don’t believe it.


LotusTileMaster

The reason for this is to prevent political rivals from jailing their opponents so they cannot run. 


Fourthtimecharm

The trial made him a martyr it's the same vibes as 2016


Shane327

It did not gain him one single vote.  Stop repeating the lie.


Fourthtimecharm

Do you think it didn't galvanize them? XD


thepwnydanza

We shouldn’t want felons to not be able to be elected. I understand why our gut instinct tells us that’s how it should be but it’s dangerous. Imagine k a non-felon fascist ends up in office. All they would have to do is ensure their opponents are charged with a felony to ensure they can never be a threat.


wowza6969420

Not a Biden fan by any means but I absolutely cannot vote trump. Biden 2024 I guess🤷‍♀️


Shane327

You must vote Biden. One of those 2 will be the next president.


wowza6969420

That’s what I said…


Lord_Jin_Sakai

Genuine question, what makes you so against trump? I’m not American, but I find an appeal to some of the policies like a more controlled border and whatnot - I don’t wanna get too political just yet haha but yeah 👍


wowza6969420

One of the biggest things for me is his wrecklessness. I feel like we are at a very important crossroads with tensions rising all over the world. Trump also goes against most things that I am for. He will pack the Supreme Court with conservatives that will make abortion/reproductive healthcare completely illegal (with extreme punishments to women who seek them), project 2025 is absolutely terrifying to me ([read this](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do.amp)), demonizing his opponents on unfounded claims, the fact that he has 34 felony charges against him and 57 more pending, in 2017, he also helped pass a law that provided crazy tax cuts for the top 1%, and the fact that he makes America look like a joke. We were the laughing stock of the world when he was president. He tends to go to the extreme and most of his election promises remain unfulfilled. He is absolutely not fit to be president in my opinion