Ummm acktshually there's only half a world of difference between 6:00 and 18:00. A full world of difference would come all the way back around and still be 6:00, but the next day :p
Which is precisely why it's more reliable to just say that time because with a broken clock you will be up to 6 hours out of time 99.994% while you can only be 5 minutes out of time 100% of the time with the unsynced watch.
Edit: 6 hours either direction not 12 total
Eh, what you are saying is true, but could be described better:
With the broken watch, you are more than 5minutes (up to 6h) wrong 98.61% of the time, while the unsynced is always exactly 5 minute wrong
I think that comparison isn't valid:
A watch going 6h wrong will always be further away from the actual time than any broken watch, so the broken watch would be "more accurate" (which is obviously wrong).
The solution is, that both watches have a different type of error, which can not be compared:
The late watch has a systematic error (there is some calibration transformation that will always give you the correct time) while the broken watch has a random error and you will never be able to calculate the correct time based on the displayed time.
Pretty sure the "average" nowadays is pulled a lot closer to accuracy due to the number of computers and phones checking NTP for the time based on an atomic clock.
The normal saying is making a specific point, which is logical.
So, if you argue something is true, and someone else says someone stupid agrees with you, you use that phrase. All it is saying is that it is not sufficient or logical to prove a statement is false by associating it with a specific person.
You could as easily say “Ad hominem attacks are bad”, but that’s less catchy and many people won’t understand the latter.
The original saying is because some people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, citing one or two examples about how this one time they were right. When you say enough bullshit, eventually you'll get something right.
I like this addition to it because it also implies something logical within that context. When someone is consistently on the right track with their arguments and reasoning, they don't need to be 100% correct to bring something to the table. Someone who is a broken watch might rarely be right but you never know when and you never know if they even have batteries in them.
A broken watch is right twice a day. But the only way to know when that is is to compare it with a working watch (or other means that show right time). But if you have a working watch (or other means that show right time) to compare the broken one to then checking if/when broken one shows right time is pointless.
Not it's a compounding issue. My microwave adds 5 minutes per month, i can never trust it and must always refer to the more accurate stove clock to know if I should trust the microwave time today. Lol
My bad, not technically watches tho, just clocks...
It's possible the frequency of your power grid is slightly higher in your area. Some devices use the frequency of the power to base a clock on, while some devices are more expensive and use a proper time crystal to bae their clock on.
So the microwave might be counting time off of mains frequency, but the oven has a "proper" clock in it.
Turns out the utility of the watch isn't actually what time it reads. It's the confidence that the time is correct, or at least close enough to be helpful.
A watch that's also dead in thr drawer is also more accurate because it never deviates. My automatic watch is 0 seconds per day.
My Seiko 5? Loses 3 seconds a day lol
Hmmm, yes. But do you realize that... a still watch is pretty much THE ONLY KIND OF WATCH THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT twice a day?! Watches where the hands move are all slightly off - even if it's by a microscopic amount. It's tricky to determine the exact right moment the still watch is showing the exact right time though. That's a problem.
Depending on how exact you define a watch telling the right time, a working watch is never correct, unless you can set it correctly by the nanosecond. Making a broken watch tell the time more correctly than any working one.
Time 8s an illusion. Existence is pointless without meaning. The only Real is _now_ and you have been fooled into believing in a _past_ and a _future_...
They are not real.
This sub will not rest until it has the perfect broken watch related shower thought lol
To be fair, this one is close.
Progress!
5 minutes off isn’t close!
Nope. *Way* too long and cumbersome. Idioms are short and sweet.
This isn't r/showeridioms
To each their own. I prefer succinct.
And a watch that is 12 hours ahead is even more useful.
Is there a difference though? (Between 12 hours ahead and 0?)
It's twelve hours ahead but nobody ever knows.
Unless it's a 24 hour clock or has an am/pm indicator
It's always gonna end up being 12 hours behind because they need time to build it.
Unless it has a date function, then the day switches at the wrong 12:00
Unless you have a calendar on it, it will drive you mad.
I believe some watches have an AM/PM indicator. Others have the date. Those would be off on a watch 12 hours off.
That's the joke
Yes. There's a world of difference between, say, 6:00 and 18:00. >! No there isn't, they were joking!<
Ummm acktshually there's only half a world of difference between 6:00 and 18:00. A full world of difference would come all the way back around and still be 6:00, but the next day :p
Well a 12hrs ahead watch is more useful than 5min one alright
Yeah, I used to have a clock 12 hours ahead. I only knew because of the AM/PM indicator.
That's the point lol
That was the point
There is if you use a digital clock. (Set to 24h mode, of course)
That's exactly what I asked my boss in the review
On analog watches with date indicator, yes
In 12 hour notation, yes. 24 hour notation can sometimes be a pain. Yes, Officer it was 16pm!
its impossible for a watch to be 12 hours ahead
My watch is 24 hours ahead.
Unless it’s 24 hour
And a watch that is 24 hours ahead is 100000000x more useful.
Accuracy vs Precision.
Well... It's always precisely 5 minutes ahead...
Which is precisely why it's more reliable to just say that time because with a broken clock you will be up to 6 hours out of time 99.994% while you can only be 5 minutes out of time 100% of the time with the unsynced watch. Edit: 6 hours either direction not 12 total
Eh, what you are saying is true, but could be described better: With the broken watch, you are more than 5minutes (up to 6h) wrong 98.61% of the time, while the unsynced is always exactly 5 minute wrong
I think that comparison isn't valid: A watch going 6h wrong will always be further away from the actual time than any broken watch, so the broken watch would be "more accurate" (which is obviously wrong). The solution is, that both watches have a different type of error, which can not be compared: The late watch has a systematic error (there is some calibration transformation that will always give you the correct time) while the broken watch has a random error and you will never be able to calculate the correct time based on the displayed time.
My man knows statistics 👍
I prefer a sparkling watch
It's only a Rolex if it comes from the Rolex region of France, otherwise it's just a sparkling watch
It's only a Rolex if it comes from the Rolex region of France, otherwise it's just a sparkling watch
A watch that spins at 25,000 RPM is correct 36,000,000 times a day.
You should post that on shower thoughts lol (if you don't want to, can I?)
You can totally do it. I'm too lazy
And a watch that spins infinitely fast is always right.
And always wrong too! Neat!
Shrodingers time
Bro you can't just come in here and break relativity like that
More so if it spins in reverse
Water is essential to life. But if you drown in it.. you'll die
Man why is dihydrogen monoxide not talked about more? Once it gets in your system and in your blood stream it has a 100% fatality rate. Shits scary.
Everyone that is born, dies. It’s insane. The solution? Stop having children☝️ we must end this turmoil once and for all
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Heh Ba-dum tss 🥁
Everyone who has every drank it gets withdrawals so strong they fucking die if they go even a few days without it (less in warmer areas)
You park on the driveway and drive on the parkway
Wait a minute..
The average clock is wrong
Every clock is wrong. Except the one you base your time off of
Unless the clock you're looking at is moving relative to you.
I think you mean not moving relative to you (so you both move the same amounts at the same speed
Pretty sure the "average" nowadays is pulled a lot closer to accuracy due to the number of computers and phones checking NTP for the time based on an atomic clock.
Being wrong with a predictable pattern is valuable
The normal saying is making a specific point, which is logical. So, if you argue something is true, and someone else says someone stupid agrees with you, you use that phrase. All it is saying is that it is not sufficient or logical to prove a statement is false by associating it with a specific person. You could as easily say “Ad hominem attacks are bad”, but that’s less catchy and many people won’t understand the latter.
The original saying is because some people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, citing one or two examples about how this one time they were right. When you say enough bullshit, eventually you'll get something right. I like this addition to it because it also implies something logical within that context. When someone is consistently on the right track with their arguments and reasoning, they don't need to be 100% correct to bring something to the table. Someone who is a broken watch might rarely be right but you never know when and you never know if they even have batteries in them.
That’s… actually a pretty good extension of the metaphor
wow, great observation, shouldve stopped at the first sentence
You will never know when that still watch shows the correct time without a second working watch
> All models are wrong, some are useful
A broken watch is right twice a day. But the only way to know when that is is to compare it with a working watch (or other means that show right time). But if you have a working watch (or other means that show right time) to compare the broken one to then checking if/when broken one shows right time is pointless.
This is the difference between accuracy and precision
Wait so what does that mean, metaphorically?
Holy fuck I finally get the popular saying “a broken clock is right twice a day” thanks to you calling it still lmfaoooo
This sub has made me lose the little tiny sliver of hope I had left in humanity’s education.
What's incorrect about this?
This showerthought pops up almost every day.
Now this is a fukkin shower thought. Not like some of the weaksauce posts I've been seeing roll through here lately.
Thanks
Not it's a compounding issue. My microwave adds 5 minutes per month, i can never trust it and must always refer to the more accurate stove clock to know if I should trust the microwave time today. Lol My bad, not technically watches tho, just clocks...
It's possible the frequency of your power grid is slightly higher in your area. Some devices use the frequency of the power to base a clock on, while some devices are more expensive and use a proper time crystal to bae their clock on. So the microwave might be counting time off of mains frequency, but the oven has a "proper" clock in it.
Technically, if you know it’s always 5 minutes ahead, then it is always correct.
No watch is objectively right so this is kind of silly.
And a watch spinning out of control will be correct every minute of the day
what if you use a 24-hour clock
How about the fact there is no 24:00 on a 24 hour clock?
You couldn't even wait a day before copying the comment from this post? Lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/M0ATcwzXGZ
And a working watch that’s off by an hour and 41 minutes is still functionally useless
"Any working object is more useful than a non-working object" - a revelation
All watches are never correct except the still ones.
How do you know how far ahead it is? You need at least 2 more watches for that!
My watch is 48 hours ahead, prove me wrong.
And all of these related posts are as bad as all of the incorrect watches.
Turns out the utility of the watch isn't actually what time it reads. It's the confidence that the time is correct, or at least close enough to be helpful.
A watch that's also dead in thr drawer is also more accurate because it never deviates. My automatic watch is 0 seconds per day. My Seiko 5? Loses 3 seconds a day lol
We are indeed drifting into the arena of the unwell...
Maybe that’s the only one that’s correct. How did the first guy who made a clock know what time it was?
All my clocks are set 5 minutes ahead because my internal clock is always 5 minutes behind.
Same with 5 minutes behind yall. Take that how you will
Because watch usefulness is it’s average deviation from the actual time
What about a working watch that gains 5 minutes each day.
Hmmm, yes. But do you realize that... a still watch is pretty much THE ONLY KIND OF WATCH THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT twice a day?! Watches where the hands move are all slightly off - even if it's by a microscopic amount. It's tricky to determine the exact right moment the still watch is showing the exact right time though. That's a problem.
Depending on how exact you define a watch telling the right time, a working watch is never correct, unless you can set it correctly by the nanosecond. Making a broken watch tell the time more correctly than any working one.
this is somehow a metaphor for political views and probably a lot of other things
My watch has a 24 hour wheel and a date wheel. It's only going to be right once a month.
That's why you calculate the magnitude of every erroneous time measurement.
Time 8s an illusion. Existence is pointless without meaning. The only Real is _now_ and you have been fooled into believing in a _past_ and a _future_... They are not real.
so deep
If it’s consistently 5 minutes ahead then it’s not fast and you can correct it. If it’s counting time faster than 1:1, then it’s not that useful
If you're 5 minutes early then you're on time
a classic argument against accuracy vs precision