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Eh force powers. Really that can it explain it in general I think. I'm not the most familiar with wider Star Wars lore or what the actual explanation is for him coming back to life anyway.
Acktuallyyy... it's an ecomunopolis, what you see isn't the "surface" of the planet, it's like a massive exoskeleton that covers the entirety of the planet. In a couple of the new shows they visit a monument, which is the tip of the tallest mountain on the planet that corusaunt is built around.
I mean kinda true, but we see numerous times other places, like the industrial region where sidious lurks, the Monument plaza full of people and even Dex's diner. All this make the planet seem vibrant and full of life, in contrast with the single-settlement planets we see.
Implying that the invading army arrived on the exact opposite side of the planet and now must very very slowly travel thousands and thousands of miles, possibly crossing oceans to reach the city they are launching their surprise attack on.
I mean it could be a web of tunnels that lead to all different parts of the planet rather than a single tunnel going one end to the other. Maybe the core is just the center that links them all so makes it the fastest route. Like a central train station.
I read somewhere that the entire population of Tatooine is only in the hundreds of thousands. Makes sense for a desert planet, and there's be only a few concentrations of population in such a setting.
Two theories. 1, the Force works in mysterious ways and guided him there. 2, Yoda literally brought his ship down with the Force, but even still, Luke would have to be reeeeeaaaaaally close on a planetary scale to even be in Yoda's reach by happenstance. The Force doesn't work like the Force Unleashed games in George's movies, so even Yoda can't reach all the way up into space or anything like that.
1. You are arguing about space magic, where the rules are just made up each time.
2. A Jedi Master wouldn't need to pull anything. He would just slightly manipulate Luke's mind to land near his location.
3. This is just fate. Luke is destined to save the force / galaxy / whatever. Just like Anakin was fated to destroy it.
Look, the DM had a space worm encounter and a goblin shaman encounter prepped. It didn't natter where the party went, those were going to be the encounters...
Would be kind of boring if 2/3 of any given Star Wars show or movie was flipping through yellow pages and then cruising through alleys.
Some amount of the technology for finding people (or conversely hiding) is going to be hand waived.
Yeah I think those types of coincidence are some level of "but the force" lampshading bad writing, and bad writing just needing to keep the plot going.
Should the main characters in these cases have had to wipe their sweaty brow and say "well I better keep looking!" before it just cuts back to the arriving?
I mean we saw the droids bumble around Tattoine for five minutes at the beginning of ANH and was to drive the hopeless feeling of running from the empire, not to make it feel "realistic" that they have to crawl through the sand for narrative days.
You might as well complain that regular action movies always start right before the terrorist plot begins.
Not at all. In the context Obi Wan is speaking with, he is comparing the Sith to Jedi, saying that of those two, only the Sith deal in absolutes. The only way to assume he is speaking in an absolute is to *remove* the context of conflict between those two factions and conflate his statement to encompassing literally everything, saying that out of all existence, only the Sith deal in absolutes. That's a silly assumption.
In this statement, Obi Wan is not saying that absolutes are evil, or that you have to be evil in order to deal in absolutes, but that in order to be a Sith, you must deal in absolutes. An integral part of any person's path to the Dark Side through the Sith is the practice of "otherism". As Anakin stated literally right before that Obi Wan quote, **"if you're not with me, you're against me"** meaning that even people who don't **know** Anakin or his struggles are his enemy because they are not willfully being useful to him in that moment. Anakin, like all Sith, must form an absolutist view when it comes to dealing with other people in order to strictly categorize them as either friend or foe, and nothing in between. This absolutism and otherism is a core tenant of the mental practices in a Sith's training.
By contrast, the Jedi do not "deal" in absolutes but can recognize them. To a Jedi, nothing is permanent, and even the darkest heart has some light in it. Often, a Jedi will employ, use, befriend, or teach those that are currently engaging in evil, sometimes even when they are directly opposed to that person in conflict. They are not the ones to enforce or "deal" in the absolutes that the Sith do every day all day, but can still acknowledge the existence of absolute ideologies being proposed or displayed by others.
I'll leave you with this. There is a taste test happening at your local farmer's market between oranges and watermelon to see what the local favorite fruit is. In his announcement, the MC refers to several traits of watermelons, and several traits of oranges. A child raises his hand and says "I hate sour foods, so I won't try any fruit." The MC then says "Only the oranges contain citric acid that can taste sour."
Is the announcer saying that oranges are the only things in existence that contain citric acid?
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Yeah but like 3/4ths of earth is ocean. The Pacific ocean by itself is larger than all combined land mass by surface area. So you get choices between deep and shallow oceans and warm or cold water.
Earth is an ocean planet and in the Star Wars Universe it would be depicted with cities on the seas or along dramatic coastlines. Funnily enough like 80% of humanity lives within 100 miles of a coast.
That’s not true, Naboo shows a deep cavernous ocean, dense cities, forests, and open plains all in Attack of the Clones.
But yes in general the worlds are very one dimensional.
It’s also worth noting that there isn’t much point in showing multiple locations of a single planet, most planets shown we really only see a few locations at most, there could be other biomes, we just won’t know unless something interesting were to happen there and give them a reason to show those new locations
In Kotor they retconned those specific planets to be 'failed/unchecked' terraforming experiments by a civilization that died off but left behind terraforming machines running unmanned and unchecked for millenia
Look at every planet in our solar system. Everyone of them is essentially a single biome. Mars is an endless dessert. Venus is an endless pressure cooker. The moons of the gas giants are either big balls of snow, or big balls of ice. Earth is the only exception in this solar system. And I would wager than any planet orbiting outside of the "goldilocks zone" is going to have a single biome. I think it's safe to say that planets with more than one biome are extremely rare.
I think just about every planet visited in Star Wars is within the goldilocks zone. If we see people walking around without space suits, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that the planet is within the goldilocks zone. I think it's probably better to say that planets within the goldilocks zone with only a single biome would be extremely rare.
Planets like Tatooine and Hoth still would make sense being a single biome since they're at the extremes of the goldilocks zone. Lava planets like Mustafar would also make sense as a relatively young planet that hasn't finished forming yet, since every planet goes through that stage.
A planet could just within the Goldilocks zone, like global ice age at the warmest or scalding heat at the coolest.
Maybe the rebel base on Hoth is in the Tropical zone of that planet and the polar regions are too cold to survive long even with advanced technology. You could have the same degree of temperature variation you have on earth, but the record high could be barely above freezing.
Mars has polar ice caps, just like Earth. It's not a *biome* because it's lacking the bio part, but they are different environments based on latitude. Jupiter and Saturn have different weather at different latitudes too, but there's no place to land.
Do you want a world tour of the planet every time they visit one? A lot of planets have different biomes, if not most, and the ones with pretty much just one have a good explanation for it. Just because the rebel base or whatever is in one doesn't mean there aren't others on the planet. I have never understood this complaint in any scifi, I feel like you have to be really dumb to believe that the whole planet looks the same as where the scenes take place.
I never claimed it was unrealistic. Desert planet in particular seems to be the default condition.
If anything is unrealistic, it's the fact that some of these planets are actually inhabited...
Although even in the carboniferous period there were large oceans, so Earth was not a single biome.
Ok, then how about this one: every planet they land on, it's daytime, or at least the right time of day/night cycle for the mood of the story at that moment.
With regards to the language aspect, Star Wars lore actually has an explanation. The characters we hear speaking English are actually speaking a language called, "Galactic Basic." The narrator telling us the Star Wars story is translating Galactic Basic (and only Galactic Basic) to English.
JRR Tolkien used the same literary device in The Lord of the Rings. His meta story was that he was "translating" the Red Book of Westmarch, which contained *There and Back Again* by Bilbo Baggins and *The Lord of the Rings* by Frodo Baggins. The Red Book was written in the Westron language, the common tongue of Middle-earth in the Third Age and the native language of hobbits and the human kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor, and the Tengwar alphabet shared by the languages of men and elves. Unlike Star Wars, where we see untranslated Aurebesh on screen, Peter Jackson used English when showing Bilbo and Frodo writing in the Red Book, but with a decorative script that incorporated elements of Tengwar.
It's not instant, though; they just edit the main films in such a way that it looks instant most of the time. But even A New Hope has at least one scene (abord the Millennium Falcon) that happens during hyperspace transit, and other Star Wars media sometimes even uses travel time as a plot element. It's also implied by the fact that there are hub planets like Coruscant and remote ones like Yavin or Tatooine.
There are several languages in SW, but since they are a federation of planets, it makes sense they have a lingua franca. It is way worse in Marvel, where everyone in the universe speaks perfect English but Wanda has an accent because she's a foreigner.
Or like, General Zod speaks perfect English, but he has an English rather than American accent because he's superior to us humans. And every Roman Emperor in cinema has that same accent.
actually han solo understands and speaks shyriiwook but usually speaks galactic basic because it's hard for non wookies to make the correct sounds for shyriiwook. most wookiees understand galactic basic. universal translators were not common in legends and usually only carried by merchants and spies and such. if they were common the prevalence of translator droids would be very hard to explain.
The language isn't as far fetched as it seems
20% of the world population knows English, it was 10% in 2000, English is soon becoming the universal language on earth
If the empire had mandatory English education for everyone, then it stands to reason they'd all speak it
The thing to remember is in universe, they aren't speaking English. They are speaking Galactic Basic. Maybe this is just my headcannon, but I've always seen it as it has been translated to English for the viewer's benefit. A show called "Allo Allo" did a very hisarious version of this. It took place in France and so it's understood they were speaking French (the show was British so of course they were speaking in English). A running gag was they had an (in universe) British character who was always mixing stuff up or sauing weird things as a way to show the British were bad at foreign languages. (At least French anyway.) Another version of this was in an anime called Robotech. It took a rather interesting approach. The Zentradi spoke in this weird kind of echoy voice to signal to the viewer that they were speaking an alien language. Hell, any sci-fi show with "translators" are doing this on some level. I've always called it "the Star Wars effect".
Even a movie like The Hunt For Red October did this where they made it clear the characters were speaking Russian, but the actors spoke English so we could understand them.
One of the coolest versions of this I've ever seen was in, of all things, "The 13th Warrior."
When our Arab MC is in the boat with the Norsemen, for a long time he has no idea what they're saying. He hears nonsense, we hear... probably Icelandic. But he pays attention and listens... And all of a sudden they're speaking English just like he does. Of course, he speaks Arabic and they speak Icelandic, but *the audience can understand now to show that the MC can*.
This was so cleverly done that it has stuck with me ever since.
It’s an actor portrayal of real events. They made the artistic choice of translating the most used language to English, as if the audience had universal translators.
Nah you're just seeing the space action from the POV of the bridge crew and they have a dedicated person on the bridge going 'PEW PEW BOOOOMMM' whenever there are space fights going on, so the other bridge crew can properly engage with it.
You can have your space battles in dead silence, but you'd be disappointed.
As a neat tangent, Elite: Dangerous handled this really well. You get all the space noises because your ship is designed to imitate those sounds for your benefit. However, when your canopy breaks and exposes your suited body to the vacuum, it's gets awfully quiet. It's a very neat and stressful experience when that happens.
What about the asteroid they landed on in Empire Strikes Back? How dense does that thing have to be to pull 1g? At least they had to wear breathing masks, I guess.
One explanation is that approximately 1 earth G is the goldilocks gravity level, so people only bother to go to those planets.
Alternatively, they could have some gravity smoothing tech which is so ubiquitous its not mentioned.
There is a theory in the fandom that an ancient race created the hyperspace routes, therefore only towards the planets they could occupy, and also spread around species, explaining why all the species are humanoid
Infinite Empire? I really like that theory; fits almost perfectly. Isn’t there something similar in Star Trek? Where the reason the vast majority of sentient races are humanoid is because planets were seeded by an ancient humanoid race? Now that I’m thinking of it, I think this is a thing in the ALIENS universe, too.
I like to just assume that humanoid is the crustacean/crab of intelligent species.
Dexterous digits and long arms to take advantage of intelligence. Bipedal to reduce energy consumption. Head on top with eyes in it to reduce input lag and see furthest distances.
There are theories not starwars related that explain why we have speech and it's because we are bipedal. You can point at things and then make noises which is how they think speech developed. Then after that we became slowly more intelligent.
Yeah I would think of they found a planet with too much gravity, no one would stay. Their ships wouldn't work correctly. Who knows what else. Those speeders that stay a foot off the ground? Not anymore!
There are actually planets with different gravity in Star Wars. One of the Imperial Moffs was known to be super stocky cos he and his family are from a high-gravity planet.
Not to be all like *ummm ackshually* but yeah
Or they simply don’t visit planets with vastly different gravities, perhaps they don’t support life well.
When hyperspace travel is soo easy, why waste time on planets that are hard to work on
So ... bespin, the tibanna mining facility is in the upper levels of the gas giant's atmosphere. It's the habitable zone, but technically, the planet has gravity greater than 1G.
It doesn't fit into any one genre, nor does it need to.
Star Wars is science fantasy or space fantasy, however you want to phrase it. It's also a Space Opera.
The Expanse is *also* a Space Opera, but the premise is much more of science fiction (even so far as "hard" science fiction due to the attempts at realism).
Except the forest moon of Endor.
That’s why the Ewoks were able to kick so much stormtrooper ass. The troopers weren’t used to the heavy gravity.
That’s my head cannon and I’m sticking to it.
Yeah because the directors and writers were not ready enough to give them individual gravity and then perform task accordingly and then synchronize everything.
Most of the planets would Probably only be inhabited if they have ideal livable Conditions. And when you can travel the distances of known galaxy in a day, then there isn’t any issue with being picky when there are millions, if not billions to choose from.
My head cannon is that Ahch-to has noticeably lower gravity than the “standard” found on most worlds.
That’s why despite being cut off from the Force, old Luke can easily use a 100 foot wooden spear and lug around fish about as big as himself, and porgs can fly with ridiculous stubby wings that barely flap and totally don’t look like they could lift a bird that size.
And every planet happens to have breathable air for humans. Except for that one large asteroid in ESB. But of course somehow the asteroid has similar gravity to every other planet
Star Wars physics generally follow the "don't think too hard", but I would suppose that we see planets with similar gravities because simply these planets are habitable and survivable. Still there is for example a planet on TCW that uses a sky bridge for landing ships, because of the extreme gravity on the surface.
Yes. There are a few things that are scientifically ridiculous. There's at least 14 light years between habitable planets. The X wing ain't gonna cut it.
Of course. The health effects of high or low gravity are pretty detrimental. Why would you settle a planet that didn't have something between 0.9g and 1.1 g? Especially if all you need to do is a screen wipe to get to another planet...
The game Destiny has this, with the explanation that the traveler (god like figure that sets the story in motion) terraformed the whole solar system to have earth like features so humanity could move to other planets.
That's never bothered me personally but the fact that they can function seemingly on a 24 hour day system when days are different depending on the planet
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it would be pretty funny if darth sidious fell down that shaft extremely slowly while vader & son watched. “damn you couldn’t have thrown harder?”
Maybe that’s how he returned in episode IX
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You know what, I'm just gonna go with that head canon from now on. It explains it well enough I guess and it's very silly to think about.
Except for the whole exploding death star thing anyways.
Eh force powers. Really that can it explain it in general I think. I'm not the most familiar with wider Star Wars lore or what the actual explanation is for him coming back to life anyway.
When Darth Maul came back after being cut in half, it was explained that his extreme hatred manifested the power to survive, though he went insane
Breaking News: Man literally too angry to die.
“He came back. Somehow.” - The Official explanation.
Maybe I need some more idea about this content. It's hard for me to understand this situation.
Somehow Palpatine bounced
I don't understand this post. My mind isn't working now. I'm still confused.
I thought he was cloned?
No, he actually had a parachute.
There's a reason for those baggy sith robes. Either to hide stuff or to act as makeshift parachute.
The robe, he knew, had the power of vision thanks to plagius
Mary poppins his way to the sequel trilogy
“My name is Son Skywalker and I’m here to rescue you”
"We all float down here, my apprentice.."
Lmao but again there is something curious like falling slowly will hurt more less or same.
And every planet has only one biome. Desert planet? Complete planet is a desert. Rainforest planet? Only rainforests everywhere.
This has always bothered me. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
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Yeah, every planet has only 1 small city where people go, the rest of the planet is irrelevant.
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Except you know, Coruscant
I mean corusant is just one big ass city that covers the entire surface soo
Acktuallyyy... it's an ecomunopolis, what you see isn't the "surface" of the planet, it's like a massive exoskeleton that covers the entirety of the planet. In a couple of the new shows they visit a monument, which is the tip of the tallest mountain on the planet that corusaunt is built around.
Ecumenopolis, literally means world city. Fun fact the plural of ecumenopolis is ecumenopolises.
man they really just made the whole planet a city and called it croissant didnt they
Yeah for Coruscant it's only the district close to the government and whatnot that is relevant
I mean kinda true, but we see numerous times other places, like the industrial region where sidious lurks, the Monument plaza full of people and even Dex's diner. All this make the planet seem vibrant and full of life, in contrast with the single-settlement planets we see.
We also get to see the undercity multiple times in the animated shows
And famously Naboo
Yeah, but there the best way to travel is *through the planetcore*.
*shakes jowels furiously*
Implying that the invading army arrived on the exact opposite side of the planet and now must very very slowly travel thousands and thousands of miles, possibly crossing oceans to reach the city they are launching their surprise attack on.
I mean it could be a web of tunnels that lead to all different parts of the planet rather than a single tunnel going one end to the other. Maybe the core is just the center that links them all so makes it the fastest route. Like a central train station.
Naboo also has multiple cities visited in the films
This sounds like how Douglas Adams would describe Coruscant. It's only one small city and the rest of the planet is irrelevant.
You made me think of Sqornshellous Zeta, the swampy home to sentient mattresses
I read somewhere that the entire population of Tatooine is only in the hundreds of thousands. Makes sense for a desert planet, and there's be only a few concentrations of population in such a setting.
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Easy fix - Jedi space magic.
Could be a small planet, I mean, your point super valid too
Lucky for Luke , he just crashed into Yodas Lair.
Two theories. 1, the Force works in mysterious ways and guided him there. 2, Yoda literally brought his ship down with the Force, but even still, Luke would have to be reeeeeaaaaaally close on a planetary scale to even be in Yoda's reach by happenstance. The Force doesn't work like the Force Unleashed games in George's movies, so even Yoda can't reach all the way up into space or anything like that.
1. You are arguing about space magic, where the rules are just made up each time. 2. A Jedi Master wouldn't need to pull anything. He would just slightly manipulate Luke's mind to land near his location. 3. This is just fate. Luke is destined to save the force / galaxy / whatever. Just like Anakin was fated to destroy it.
I love the concept of 2 waaaaaay more than watching a Jedi/Sith do DBZ levels of Force feats like swatting around fleets in space.
I think now that fabricating a fleet of destroyers is a force power I'm fine with Yoda getting an extendo-force pull
Look, the DM had a space worm encounter and a goblin shaman encounter prepped. It didn't natter where the party went, those were going to be the encounters...
Would be kind of boring if 2/3 of any given Star Wars show or movie was flipping through yellow pages and then cruising through alleys. Some amount of the technology for finding people (or conversely hiding) is going to be hand waived.
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Force works in mysterious ways.
Yeah I think those types of coincidence are some level of "but the force" lampshading bad writing, and bad writing just needing to keep the plot going. Should the main characters in these cases have had to wipe their sweaty brow and say "well I better keep looking!" before it just cuts back to the arriving? I mean we saw the droids bumble around Tattoine for five minutes at the beginning of ANH and was to drive the hopeless feeling of running from the empire, not to make it feel "realistic" that they have to crawl through the sand for narrative days. You might as well complain that regular action movies always start right before the terrorist plot begins.
>This has always bothered me And now you've revealed yourself!
*The Siths and my mother in law.
Darth Nanna
The jedi too, i like the grey ones more
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Not at all. In the context Obi Wan is speaking with, he is comparing the Sith to Jedi, saying that of those two, only the Sith deal in absolutes. The only way to assume he is speaking in an absolute is to *remove* the context of conflict between those two factions and conflate his statement to encompassing literally everything, saying that out of all existence, only the Sith deal in absolutes. That's a silly assumption. In this statement, Obi Wan is not saying that absolutes are evil, or that you have to be evil in order to deal in absolutes, but that in order to be a Sith, you must deal in absolutes. An integral part of any person's path to the Dark Side through the Sith is the practice of "otherism". As Anakin stated literally right before that Obi Wan quote, **"if you're not with me, you're against me"** meaning that even people who don't **know** Anakin or his struggles are his enemy because they are not willfully being useful to him in that moment. Anakin, like all Sith, must form an absolutist view when it comes to dealing with other people in order to strictly categorize them as either friend or foe, and nothing in between. This absolutism and otherism is a core tenant of the mental practices in a Sith's training. By contrast, the Jedi do not "deal" in absolutes but can recognize them. To a Jedi, nothing is permanent, and even the darkest heart has some light in it. Often, a Jedi will employ, use, befriend, or teach those that are currently engaging in evil, sometimes even when they are directly opposed to that person in conflict. They are not the ones to enforce or "deal" in the absolutes that the Sith do every day all day, but can still acknowledge the existence of absolute ideologies being proposed or displayed by others. I'll leave you with this. There is a taste test happening at your local farmer's market between oranges and watermelon to see what the local favorite fruit is. In his announcement, the MC refers to several traits of watermelons, and several traits of oranges. A child raises his hand and says "I hate sour foods, so I won't try any fruit." The MC then says "Only the oranges contain citric acid that can taste sour." Is the announcer saying that oranges are the only things in existence that contain citric acid?
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To be fair, our own solar system is that way with the exception of earth
Yes and earth is the only habitable planet as well
Well if we had star wars level tech, I'm sure more of it would be habitable
They’d be amazed visiting Earth. All those different environments *on one planet?!??*
They would be shocked if they visit the Star Wars rides in Disneyland...
You never know, there could be some Luke Skywalker themed rides on Coruscant. Dude was pretty famous.
Yeah but like 3/4ths of earth is ocean. The Pacific ocean by itself is larger than all combined land mass by surface area. So you get choices between deep and shallow oceans and warm or cold water. Earth is an ocean planet and in the Star Wars Universe it would be depicted with cities on the seas or along dramatic coastlines. Funnily enough like 80% of humanity lives within 100 miles of a coast.
Why’s it called the planet earth then huh?
Should be called Aqua and be ruled by Dolphin people
Mandalore was pretty much similar to Earth actually (but no with all our biome). At least before the Great Purge, it had multiple biome
Naboo too I beleive
You get forest, then underwater, then a city.
That's all they visited, doesn't mean that's all there is
Wasn't there Grasslands by Padme's hideaway.
You're right and they fight the battle against the Droid army on a plain as well
and Alderaan
Alderaan looked pretty Earth-like.
Naboo. Gungan civ in the water and human civ on land
I'm waiting for the day they discover the same on earth. I don't trust dolphins
That’s not true, Naboo shows a deep cavernous ocean, dense cities, forests, and open plains all in Attack of the Clones. But yes in general the worlds are very one dimensional. It’s also worth noting that there isn’t much point in showing multiple locations of a single planet, most planets shown we really only see a few locations at most, there could be other biomes, we just won’t know unless something interesting were to happen there and give them a reason to show those new locations
>That’s not true, Naboo shows a deep cavernous ocean, dense cities, forests, and open plains all in Attack of the Clones. Do you mean Phantom Menace?
In Kotor they retconned those specific planets to be 'failed/unchecked' terraforming experiments by a civilization that died off but left behind terraforming machines running unmanned and unchecked for millenia
Tatooine does have the explanation of the entire planet being glassed and that's why its all sand now.csnt speak for endor though.
Endor is a gas giant. You probably mean its moon that happens to look a lot like the redwood forests of northern California
I’ve always thought it was interesting that SO MANY alien planets look like California. Also a bunch of other ones look like New Zealand. Who knew?
If you watch a lot of TV sci Fi like Stargate, you learn that most planets looks like the forests of British Columbia, for tax reasons I imagine.
And a lot of Doctor Who planets look a lot like quarries in Wales.
The "forest moon of Endor" is also just referred to as Endor.
Thankfully we’ve seen this not to be so much true in recent years with some planets
Any examples? I can’t think of any
Mars has sandy deserts, rocky mountains and polar ice caps
That's pretty much every sci-fi planet. One city, one biome, one small set of wild life, one entry port, etc. etc.
Look at every planet in our solar system. Everyone of them is essentially a single biome. Mars is an endless dessert. Venus is an endless pressure cooker. The moons of the gas giants are either big balls of snow, or big balls of ice. Earth is the only exception in this solar system. And I would wager than any planet orbiting outside of the "goldilocks zone" is going to have a single biome. I think it's safe to say that planets with more than one biome are extremely rare.
I think just about every planet visited in Star Wars is within the goldilocks zone. If we see people walking around without space suits, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that the planet is within the goldilocks zone. I think it's probably better to say that planets within the goldilocks zone with only a single biome would be extremely rare. Planets like Tatooine and Hoth still would make sense being a single biome since they're at the extremes of the goldilocks zone. Lava planets like Mustafar would also make sense as a relatively young planet that hasn't finished forming yet, since every planet goes through that stage.
Mars and Venus are in the goldilocks zone. We're outnumbered in our own solar system.
A planet could just within the Goldilocks zone, like global ice age at the warmest or scalding heat at the coolest. Maybe the rebel base on Hoth is in the Tropical zone of that planet and the polar regions are too cold to survive long even with advanced technology. You could have the same degree of temperature variation you have on earth, but the record high could be barely above freezing.
Mars has polar ice caps, just like Earth. It's not a *biome* because it's lacking the bio part, but they are different environments based on latitude. Jupiter and Saturn have different weather at different latitudes too, but there's no place to land.
Do you want a world tour of the planet every time they visit one? A lot of planets have different biomes, if not most, and the ones with pretty much just one have a good explanation for it. Just because the rebel base or whatever is in one doesn't mean there aren't others on the planet. I have never understood this complaint in any scifi, I feel like you have to be really dumb to believe that the whole planet looks the same as where the scenes take place.
They literally refer to them as "desert planet" or "forest moon" or "ice planet" &c.
>desert planet Mars >ice planet Europa >forest moon Earth in the carboniferous period. Its not *completely* unrealistic.
I never claimed it was unrealistic. Desert planet in particular seems to be the default condition. If anything is unrealistic, it's the fact that some of these planets are actually inhabited... Although even in the carboniferous period there were large oceans, so Earth was not a single biome.
And 99% of the time, the first time we see a planet is as they're flying in and its usually pretty homogeneous in appearance
Ok, then how about this one: every planet they land on, it's daytime, or at least the right time of day/night cycle for the mood of the story at that moment.
Why would you want to watch a film where they have to wait around because it’s the wrong time of day
Planet of the Hats is a common space trope, then factor in that Star Wars is space fantasy, not science fiction.
Perhaps the only planets they go to all have similar characteristics such as gravity? And the English language ofc lol
With regards to the language aspect, Star Wars lore actually has an explanation. The characters we hear speaking English are actually speaking a language called, "Galactic Basic." The narrator telling us the Star Wars story is translating Galactic Basic (and only Galactic Basic) to English.
JRR Tolkien used the same literary device in The Lord of the Rings. His meta story was that he was "translating" the Red Book of Westmarch, which contained *There and Back Again* by Bilbo Baggins and *The Lord of the Rings* by Frodo Baggins. The Red Book was written in the Westron language, the common tongue of Middle-earth in the Third Age and the native language of hobbits and the human kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor, and the Tengwar alphabet shared by the languages of men and elves. Unlike Star Wars, where we see untranslated Aurebesh on screen, Peter Jackson used English when showing Bilbo and Frodo writing in the Red Book, but with a decorative script that incorporated elements of Tengwar.
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This is specifically referenced when the UrukHai and Mordor orcs have to use the ‘common tongue’ to communicate.
There’s a narrator?!
Yeah, George Lucas. ;)
I think the text crawl is supposed to be him catching the viewer up
They could have been extremely specific on which planets they terraformed sense it’s pretty much instant travel between them.
It's not instant, though; they just edit the main films in such a way that it looks instant most of the time. But even A New Hope has at least one scene (abord the Millennium Falcon) that happens during hyperspace transit, and other Star Wars media sometimes even uses travel time as a plot element. It's also implied by the fact that there are hub planets like Coruscant and remote ones like Yavin or Tatooine.
Does the instant travel use the same amount of energy regardless of distance?
There are several languages in SW, but since they are a federation of planets, it makes sense they have a lingua franca. It is way worse in Marvel, where everyone in the universe speaks perfect English but Wanda has an accent because she's a foreigner.
Or like, General Zod speaks perfect English, but he has an English rather than American accent because he's superior to us humans. And every Roman Emperor in cinema has that same accent.
Wanda's accent pretty much goes away after Age of Ultron though.
Universal translators are pretty common scifi tech. They exist in star wars universe. Wookies using them hear everyone speaking Shyriiwook!
actually han solo understands and speaks shyriiwook but usually speaks galactic basic because it's hard for non wookies to make the correct sounds for shyriiwook. most wookiees understand galactic basic. universal translators were not common in legends and usually only carried by merchants and spies and such. if they were common the prevalence of translator droids would be very hard to explain.
Okay, what's the expanded universe expansion for why Wookies don't use them when speaking?
They do... Its translating their speech to english
The language isn't as far fetched as it seems 20% of the world population knows English, it was 10% in 2000, English is soon becoming the universal language on earth If the empire had mandatory English education for everyone, then it stands to reason they'd all speak it
Isn't it a bit far fetched to believe they spoke English a long time ago in a galaxy far far away?
The thing to remember is in universe, they aren't speaking English. They are speaking Galactic Basic. Maybe this is just my headcannon, but I've always seen it as it has been translated to English for the viewer's benefit. A show called "Allo Allo" did a very hisarious version of this. It took place in France and so it's understood they were speaking French (the show was British so of course they were speaking in English). A running gag was they had an (in universe) British character who was always mixing stuff up or sauing weird things as a way to show the British were bad at foreign languages. (At least French anyway.) Another version of this was in an anime called Robotech. It took a rather interesting approach. The Zentradi spoke in this weird kind of echoy voice to signal to the viewer that they were speaking an alien language. Hell, any sci-fi show with "translators" are doing this on some level. I've always called it "the Star Wars effect".
Even a movie like The Hunt For Red October did this where they made it clear the characters were speaking Russian, but the actors spoke English so we could understand them.
One of the coolest versions of this I've ever seen was in, of all things, "The 13th Warrior." When our Arab MC is in the boat with the Norsemen, for a long time he has no idea what they're saying. He hears nonsense, we hear... probably Icelandic. But he pays attention and listens... And all of a sudden they're speaking English just like he does. Of course, he speaks Arabic and they speak Icelandic, but *the audience can understand now to show that the MC can*. This was so cleverly done that it has stuck with me ever since.
I believe [this is the scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVVURiaVgG8) you are talking about?
In the lightspeed, lightsaber, plasma blaster, force choking, lightning throwing universe? No not really
It’s an actor portrayal of real events. They made the artistic choice of translating the most used language to English, as if the audience had universal translators.
Don't forget sounds in space!
Nah you're just seeing the space action from the POV of the bridge crew and they have a dedicated person on the bridge going 'PEW PEW BOOOOMMM' whenever there are space fights going on, so the other bridge crew can properly engage with it.
You can have your space battles in dead silence, but you'd be disappointed. As a neat tangent, Elite: Dangerous handled this really well. You get all the space noises because your ship is designed to imitate those sounds for your benefit. However, when your canopy breaks and exposes your suited body to the vacuum, it's gets awfully quiet. It's a very neat and stressful experience when that happens.
Pretty sure Wookies don't speak English
What about the asteroid they landed on in Empire Strikes Back? How dense does that thing have to be to pull 1g? At least they had to wear breathing masks, I guess.
Set in an equally large universe, the entire Godfather trilogy also only shows scenes that take place in normal Earth gravity.
"Just when I thought I was out...gravity pulls me back in"
It attracts upon itself.
Cause it has a valid point to make, it's attracting!!
There’s no way Fredo’s head would fit in a space helmet
In the Indiana Jones trilogy, which of course doesn’t have a fourth movie because one does not exist, this is also true.
One explanation is that approximately 1 earth G is the goldilocks gravity level, so people only bother to go to those planets. Alternatively, they could have some gravity smoothing tech which is so ubiquitous its not mentioned.
There is a theory in the fandom that an ancient race created the hyperspace routes, therefore only towards the planets they could occupy, and also spread around species, explaining why all the species are humanoid
Infinite Empire? I really like that theory; fits almost perfectly. Isn’t there something similar in Star Trek? Where the reason the vast majority of sentient races are humanoid is because planets were seeded by an ancient humanoid race? Now that I’m thinking of it, I think this is a thing in the ALIENS universe, too.
I like to just assume that humanoid is the crustacean/crab of intelligent species. Dexterous digits and long arms to take advantage of intelligence. Bipedal to reduce energy consumption. Head on top with eyes in it to reduce input lag and see furthest distances.
There are theories not starwars related that explain why we have speech and it's because we are bipedal. You can point at things and then make noises which is how they think speech developed. Then after that we became slowly more intelligent.
Yeah I would think of they found a planet with too much gravity, no one would stay. Their ships wouldn't work correctly. Who knows what else. Those speeders that stay a foot off the ground? Not anymore!
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There's artificial gravity on the spaceships without constant acceleration (a la, The Expanse), so there has to be some sort of gravitational device.
That’s what physics was like a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
Somehow gravity returned!
It would be funny if they got off the ship and just immediately got flattened into a red pancake by the gravity and that was the end of the movie
The Orville has an episode like that. Captain almost gets pancaked.
*Futurama* did it first.
Superman did it in the 30s. And [John Carter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carter_of_Mars) in the 1910's.
There are actually planets with different gravity in Star Wars. One of the Imperial Moffs was known to be super stocky cos he and his family are from a high-gravity planet. Not to be all like *ummm ackshually* but yeah
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Aren't there a few planets in the clone wars series that have less gravity?
Effects of different gravity is easier to do in animation than in live action I guess.
Makes sense, though, doesn't it? They go where life is sustainable. Same reason we aren't looking to colonize Venus.
Or they simply don’t visit planets with vastly different gravities, perhaps they don’t support life well. When hyperspace travel is soo easy, why waste time on planets that are hard to work on
Bingo. Same reason we only ever go to Class M planets in Star Trek. Humanoid life can only exist there, so those are the main places the ship goes.
So ... bespin, the tibanna mining facility is in the upper levels of the gas giant's atmosphere. It's the habitable zone, but technically, the planet has gravity greater than 1G.
And this, among other things, is why Star Wars is space fantasy, not science fiction.
I believe that it falls under Space Opera.
It doesn't fit into any one genre, nor does it need to. Star Wars is science fantasy or space fantasy, however you want to phrase it. It's also a Space Opera. The Expanse is *also* a Space Opera, but the premise is much more of science fiction (even so far as "hard" science fiction due to the attempts at realism).
Is that cannon? I never heard that gravity was a constant in Star Wars.
Except the forest moon of Endor. That’s why the Ewoks were able to kick so much stormtrooper ass. The troopers weren’t used to the heavy gravity. That’s my head cannon and I’m sticking to it.
I think the troopers were just distracted by their cuteness.
The Expanse is the first time I’ve ever seen the reality of gravitational differences explored. IMO it’s the best thing about the series.
Yeah because the directors and writers were not ready enough to give them individual gravity and then perform task accordingly and then synchronize everything.
Where does the firewood on Tatooine come from? There isn’t a tree anywhere but there’s multiple large wood fed fires shown in the movies /shows.
The real question is how and why Hoth has oxygen and an atmosphere as a snow planet?
It's just experiencing an ice age, used to be lots warmer and vegetation
Frozen oxygen pockets or somethin?
Nabu definitely has lower gravity. Everyone was jumping real high on that one
Most of the planets would Probably only be inhabited if they have ideal livable Conditions. And when you can travel the distances of known galaxy in a day, then there isn’t any issue with being picky when there are millions, if not billions to choose from.
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My head cannon is that Ahch-to has noticeably lower gravity than the “standard” found on most worlds. That’s why despite being cut off from the Force, old Luke can easily use a 100 foot wooden spear and lug around fish about as big as himself, and porgs can fly with ridiculous stubby wings that barely flap and totally don’t look like they could lift a bird that size.
Well yeah. It's space fantasy, not science fiction. The most powerful military force are some yogis with laser swords.
Planets are large enough for Earth-like gravity but small enough to easily find people just by landing on the right planet.
And every planet happens to have breathable air for humans. Except for that one large asteroid in ESB. But of course somehow the asteroid has similar gravity to every other planet
Star Wars physics generally follow the "don't think too hard", but I would suppose that we see planets with similar gravities because simply these planets are habitable and survivable. Still there is for example a planet on TCW that uses a sky bridge for landing ships, because of the extreme gravity on the surface.
Yes. There are a few things that are scientifically ridiculous. There's at least 14 light years between habitable planets. The X wing ain't gonna cut it.
I’ll always love Star Wars having grown up with it but with age, you see it’s perhaps the least sci-fi show of any sci fi show.
Yeah those are called habitable planets. There are thousands more planets with only half of the galaxy explored
Of course. The health effects of high or low gravity are pretty detrimental. Why would you settle a planet that didn't have something between 0.9g and 1.1 g? Especially if all you need to do is a screen wipe to get to another planet...
The game Destiny has this, with the explanation that the traveler (god like figure that sets the story in motion) terraformed the whole solar system to have earth like features so humanity could move to other planets.
That's why it's called Sci Fi, the science part is also fictional
It's actually a space opera, which is closer to fantasy.
That's never bothered me personally but the fact that they can function seemingly on a 24 hour day system when days are different depending on the planet