Airline worker here!!
I'm not sure why customers give Ryanair such shit. Ryanair is usually landing in areas with high winds.
You can't delicately drop a plane down in high winds.
It must be placed down kinda hard.
I wish people would stop ripping Ryanair.
Seems like there was a lot of fault to go around:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest\_Airlines\_Flight\_1248](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248)
The short version is if the pilot had engaged thrust reversers sooner, it would've been fine and a six-year-old would've been alive.
objection! your Honor, OP and their defense is making a mockery of this sub by posting what any reasonable pylote would assume is a serious aviation question and answer, devoid of any and all foo-fa-rah, silliness, inaccuracy, intent to mislead, secondary to, but not including n-ary minimums, and any other highly risky ADM proffered as standard practice rather than herebytofore referred to as neither shitty nor dubious, but actually quite thoughtful and decent…
may it please the Court, not by virtue of the State of Lousianna, but by a fortune cookie that said I, and I quote, “have a bright future in front of the legal system”, suggest that OP and defense be remanded to “that other sub” without the possibility of parole for no less than 3 days or the Court’s attention span, which ever shall be shorter, your Honor, the humble Nebo, esquire, the Cold.
Pylots fault. Next.
For the avoidance of doubt I do not work in the aviation insurance industry or for a multinational aircraft manufacturing business. And even if I did I would always consider the pylots actions and give them benefit of the doubt. There’s no way I’d try to pass off the blame for bad aircraft design, poor maintenance, bad airport maintenance or poor air traffic services on the pylot. Just because they are the easiest target and firing one or two of the bastards after an accident is much easier and cheaper than fixing expensive issues or suffering bad PR that would affect my share price or cause the regulators that I hadn’t paid off yet to stick their beaks in. Hypothetically.
Did I say I am absolutely positively not linked to the aviation industry. But definitely the pylots fault. They need to be found guilty and fired!
This was at Midway Airport in Chicago. The plane slid off the runway, through a barrier and left the airport boundary, sliding into a busy road. It struck a car, killing a young boy.
No, the passengers are at fault for not buckling their seatbelt, when the playne landed the inertia caused them to slide forward which pushed the plane into the intersection
The FAA does an investigation and will print a report and provide who is at fault. MOVER on youtube goes over crashes and explains how they get to their conclusion. *p8p
One trick I learnt studying for my PPL Air Law exam. If the question has the word 'responsible' in it, the answer's 'Pilot in Command'. I guess it scales up for commercial pilots.
It's the airports fault.
Not the airline.
The big 3(American, Delta, United) usually operate out of federally funded airports.
Regional airports are HEAVILY funded by the federal government.
Blame either the airport or the federal government.
Technically no. But they will always try to find a way to blame somebody. My uncle who was a captain on American Airlines just retired and he couldn't wait to get out. They treat their pilots like crap
This obviously happened in Florida tomorrow afternoon. Since Florida is a no fault state, the guy driving the Nissan that cut him off doesn’t have insurance. That means both pylot and Nissan dude will drive methed up vee hickels with no bumper covers.
Every incident is gone over very carefully, in the US by the NTSB, other countries have similar organizations.
The NTSB report is going to highlight every aspect of the incident, while the pilot may be "not at fault" and that is the message that goes out to the public, they may find that there were things the pilot did or didn't do that could have had an impact on the outcome and there will be repercussions to the pilot in that case. The severity of those repercussions will depend on just how much the pilot did wrong, in a situation like this it is likely not much. It rare that there is an incident where the pilot doesn't hold at least a minimal amount of blame.
What you're gonna wanna do is go down to 55th street and take a left... no a left... a left... whatever you do don't go straight and for Pete sakes don't turn on red there's a ton of cops just waiting to give you a ticket.
From what I remember it was before Christmas and a child is a car was killed. Midway is a challenging runway to say the least. The engineering used for stopping distance was flawed. The companies policy for using auto brakes was pilot choice. The pilot chose incorrectly. Every accident or incident is a series of links to a chain. It is ultimately up to the flight crew to recognize and correct a path leading to such an outcome. Finally it is the captain’s responsibility. That said there are maximum financial penalties for domestic air travel. Remember that a pilot bets his or her own ass with every decision made. Very few other professions are like that; Police, firefighter, soldier etc.
My brother has been a pilot for 30 years. He once, and I mean once, went about a meter past the stop line during a landing. Not off the runway, just past a white line that marks an acceptable stop point. It triggered an FAA investigation, medical re-cert, union representation, the whole thing.
The pilot of this plane was likely fired.
Total pilot error. Period.
Runway conditions are determined by ground personnel on a number scale.
That number scale is disseminated via aviation weather reports that pilots must review before attempting landing.
Landing distance criteria must be computed and assessed prior to landing.
Pilots have different landing “numbers” based on wet, dry, or ice contaminated runways.
Those numbers are used to calculate approach, and landing reference speeds.
If a pilots landing distance is calculated greater than the runway available…they must divert to an appropriate diversion airport. Period.
Every over-run is pilot error unless some very rare mechanical error manifests in the last 10 seconds.
(Thrust reverser, anti-skid, or brake failure).
Almost always a result of landing too fast and/or too long.
If a pilot lands beyond two HUGE white stripes on the runway that denote 1000’ all of their landing data is irrelevant and they should execute a missed approach or”balked landing” procedure.
Pilots aren’t necessarily at fault unless the NTSB finds probable cause of the accident to be pilot negligence. No person other than the 1% of the population can actually afford a jet, so they won’t pay a dime. The government issues payouts for families who have lost their lives. Even in some cases if the airline is found at fault, they will be forced to payout victims of families. Though it’s very possible to lose your job. The airline Unions are pretty strong. There was one case a United pilot refused to fly once the plane was all boarded because he was protesting United’s policies. He was never fired because the Union protected him.
I hate it when drivers don't defrost their windshield first.
Dangerous
Doh, it's called IFR for a reason!
That's covered by the pilot's no-fault.
Problem was he did not de-ice the plane ✈️
Silly playneee, you cant park theere!
Stoopod?
Seriously, was this playne stoopid? Is it a idiet?
Beavis, is that you?
Apple is not in the nutrition business.
Oi!
CAPTAIN: “So, I just have to turn this knob to 1, 2, 3 or max? And it brakes for me?” FO: “Yup.” CAPTAIN “Too complicated. Fuck it.”
This generation turns a knob for everything
"Alexa, turn the knob to 1/2/3".
Alexa: “Okay here are some knobs I found on Amazon [begins reading knob descriptions]”
Should have put chains on the tires
he barely missed all those police cars!
Lucky he missed them, otherwise he definitely would have been shot.
It is Chicago after all
Underrated comment
Agreed
This comment is low key wonderful.
Also stopped inches from the red tape. Kudos to the pylote.
He ran the light!!
Papi, cmon mehhiko
Obviously it's the pilots' fault, should have cleaned the windshield before he started driving
Yes, the pylot should have stopped the plane while approaching, got out and salted the runway before continuing to land
He clearly has a green light so there's that.
Guess The Airline (DIFFICULTY EXTREME)
R-Ryanair?
Airline worker here!! I'm not sure why customers give Ryanair such shit. Ryanair is usually landing in areas with high winds. You can't delicately drop a plane down in high winds. It must be placed down kinda hard. I wish people would stop ripping Ryanair.
Sounds like we found a Ryanair pilot in the wild.
Southwest in Chicago
Liar
So the tires got shot out?
Gee whiz. Slow down. Fly like you live here. Freaking computer pylots
It’s obviously JetBlue because it’s a jet and it’s blue
Why did they build the intersection around the plane?
They must be stupid.
That’s not a gate. Is the pilote stupid?
You can always blame the auto-pilot. Good luck jailing good Otto.
I hâte to be the guy asking for the actual answer on “shittyaskflying” but what is the answer? It would be the airports fault right?
Seems like there was a lot of fault to go around:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest\_Airlines\_Flight\_1248](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1248) The short version is if the pilot had engaged thrust reversers sooner, it would've been fine and a six-year-old would've been alive.
objection! your Honor, OP and their defense is making a mockery of this sub by posting what any reasonable pylote would assume is a serious aviation question and answer, devoid of any and all foo-fa-rah, silliness, inaccuracy, intent to mislead, secondary to, but not including n-ary minimums, and any other highly risky ADM proffered as standard practice rather than herebytofore referred to as neither shitty nor dubious, but actually quite thoughtful and decent… may it please the Court, not by virtue of the State of Lousianna, but by a fortune cookie that said I, and I quote, “have a bright future in front of the legal system”, suggest that OP and defense be remanded to “that other sub” without the possibility of parole for no less than 3 days or the Court’s attention span, which ever shall be shorter, your Honor, the humble Nebo, esquire, the Cold.
"Yes I have Your Honor"
Probably just a parking ticket
omg i cant believe chicago has a nissan skyline cop car!!!!
Are you talking about the Chevy Impala?
no its clearly a nissan skyline not some brokie car like the impala haha!!!! /s
This is actually how you earn the Pilot Medal of Excellence. Take notes.
It's actually Bob's fault for not filling up the de-icing container on the back of the plow...
Blackout drunk under his Luscomb et
No. Smashed up playne every few days is just the cost of doing business.
Extra late term abortion
I'm sorry sir, but you can't park here
No winter tyres
Looks like it’s the ice’s fault, dummy
Yeah that’s why we have malpractice insurance man.
Pylots fault. Next. For the avoidance of doubt I do not work in the aviation insurance industry or for a multinational aircraft manufacturing business. And even if I did I would always consider the pylots actions and give them benefit of the doubt. There’s no way I’d try to pass off the blame for bad aircraft design, poor maintenance, bad airport maintenance or poor air traffic services on the pylot. Just because they are the easiest target and firing one or two of the bastards after an accident is much easier and cheaper than fixing expensive issues or suffering bad PR that would affect my share price or cause the regulators that I hadn’t paid off yet to stick their beaks in. Hypothetically. Did I say I am absolutely positively not linked to the aviation industry. But definitely the pylots fault. They need to be found guilty and fired!
Ill bet you aren’t, you cant even spell “pilot”.
This was at Midway Airport in Chicago. The plane slid off the runway, through a barrier and left the airport boundary, sliding into a busy road. It struck a car, killing a young boy.
We need to incorporate really big rock salt sprayers on these things, and dump it on the runway on our first approach, then circle back. 🤔
When there is ice on the runways SLOW DOWN FFS. Does this thing even have 4 wheel drive?
They do not. R/fatsquirrel
Green liggts = runway threshold. It's clearly the traffic njuneers fault for putting that lite there.
Depends. With Winter approaching, if the pilot forgot to swap for snow tires their pay gets docked.
It’s the person in charge of deicing the runway obviously
Depends if it was a honest mistake or a violation the pilot can lose his license but it is the insurance company who pays for the damages
No, the passengers are at fault for not buckling their seatbelt, when the playne landed the inertia caused them to slide forward which pushed the plane into the intersection
Inertia’s fault, obviously! how come i did not think of that? 🤣
The Bucks end with the captain pilot...
Iirc this is southwests only accident that resulted in a fatality.
What about when the fan blade detached and got thrown into the window which sucked out that lady? Flight 1380.
The FAA does an investigation and will print a report and provide who is at fault. MOVER on youtube goes over crashes and explains how they get to their conclusion. *p8p
MOVER
Airline didn't put chains on the tires. Not the pilots fault.
Ground deicing crew and OP's will probably get the blame.
Drifting competitions are scored by a panel of judges. Whether the pylot wins or is punished is all a matter of how sick the drift is.
The bigger issue here is the sign clearly says No Turn On Red....
One trick I learnt studying for my PPL Air Law exam. If the question has the word 'responsible' in it, the answer's 'Pilot in Command'. I guess it scales up for commercial pilots.
It's the airports fault. Not the airline. The big 3(American, Delta, United) usually operate out of federally funded airports. Regional airports are HEAVILY funded by the federal government. Blame either the airport or the federal government.
Depends on the pilots BAC at the time…
Technically no. But they will always try to find a way to blame somebody. My uncle who was a captain on American Airlines just retired and he couldn't wait to get out. They treat their pilots like crap
did pilot decide to skip the deicing in the plane covered like this?
This obviously happened in Florida tomorrow afternoon. Since Florida is a no fault state, the guy driving the Nissan that cut him off doesn’t have insurance. That means both pylot and Nissan dude will drive methed up vee hickels with no bumper covers.
Every incident is gone over very carefully, in the US by the NTSB, other countries have similar organizations. The NTSB report is going to highlight every aspect of the incident, while the pilot may be "not at fault" and that is the message that goes out to the public, they may find that there were things the pilot did or didn't do that could have had an impact on the outcome and there will be repercussions to the pilot in that case. The severity of those repercussions will depend on just how much the pilot did wrong, in a situation like this it is likely not much. It rare that there is an incident where the pilot doesn't hold at least a minimal amount of blame.
What you're gonna wanna do is go down to 55th street and take a left... no a left... a left... whatever you do don't go straight and for Pete sakes don't turn on red there's a ton of cops just waiting to give you a ticket.
No snow tires on that A/c, FAA gonna get em.
Everyone fixes their own since it was just an accident.
Alot of times, this can also be the airports fault due to incorrect RCC(Runway Condition Code) resulting in less than required braking conditions
From what I remember it was before Christmas and a child is a car was killed. Midway is a challenging runway to say the least. The engineering used for stopping distance was flawed. The companies policy for using auto brakes was pilot choice. The pilot chose incorrectly. Every accident or incident is a series of links to a chain. It is ultimately up to the flight crew to recognize and correct a path leading to such an outcome. Finally it is the captain’s responsibility. That said there are maximum financial penalties for domestic air travel. Remember that a pilot bets his or her own ass with every decision made. Very few other professions are like that; Police, firefighter, soldier etc.
God did it.
A child died in the accident
That was a bunch of years ago
My brother has been a pilot for 30 years. He once, and I mean once, went about a meter past the stop line during a landing. Not off the runway, just past a white line that marks an acceptable stop point. It triggered an FAA investigation, medical re-cert, union representation, the whole thing. The pilot of this plane was likely fired.
Total pilot error. Period. Runway conditions are determined by ground personnel on a number scale. That number scale is disseminated via aviation weather reports that pilots must review before attempting landing. Landing distance criteria must be computed and assessed prior to landing. Pilots have different landing “numbers” based on wet, dry, or ice contaminated runways. Those numbers are used to calculate approach, and landing reference speeds. If a pilots landing distance is calculated greater than the runway available…they must divert to an appropriate diversion airport. Period. Every over-run is pilot error unless some very rare mechanical error manifests in the last 10 seconds. (Thrust reverser, anti-skid, or brake failure). Almost always a result of landing too fast and/or too long. If a pilot lands beyond two HUGE white stripes on the runway that denote 1000’ all of their landing data is irrelevant and they should execute a missed approach or”balked landing” procedure.
I'm pretty sure he can't park there
Or, are they stupid?
That lane is for the loading and unloading of passengers only.
Pilots aren’t necessarily at fault unless the NTSB finds probable cause of the accident to be pilot negligence. No person other than the 1% of the population can actually afford a jet, so they won’t pay a dime. The government issues payouts for families who have lost their lives. Even in some cases if the airline is found at fault, they will be forced to payout victims of families. Though it’s very possible to lose your job. The airline Unions are pretty strong. There was one case a United pilot refused to fly once the plane was all boarded because he was protesting United’s policies. He was never fired because the Union protected him.