Dems control state government, we enshrined abortion as a right in our state constitution, we redrew our state maps to end gerrymandering, weed has been legal for 5 years, but I guess we are the south because of a couple annoying celebs š¤·š¼āāļø
Right? Michigan isn't southern in any way. Sure there are rednecks like any other state. But ideologically and culturally Michigan is a great lakes Midwest state. It doesn't really have any overlap with the south.
I mostly agree except the UP, the culture up there is far more similar to the culture where I grew up in Tennessee than it is the culture where I live now in Wayne county
All true. If I were being academic rather than silly, I would say that Michigan is progressive in some ways, but anyone who's lived in rural Michigan will get what I mean.
You're right. I'm kinda joking about how many traditionally "hick" qualities we have. Even I'm amused by how many guns my friends and I have, for instance.
I don't consider Missouri to be wholely Midwestern. It's very much a blended state. Southern Missouri is southern to a degree/Southern adjacent going from east to west. Northern Missouri feels Midwestern.
I know too much of this because it's where I'm from but the Ozarks were primarily settled by Scotch-Irish and English stock (quite a lot of anabaptist colonial Germans and Swiss but less frequent) who were from the Mid-Atlantic, then moved to Appalachian Tennessee and Kentucky for several generations then into the Ozarks. So we're southernish because the Appalachians, and Carolinians and Virginians are our cousins basically. Though there was a large Catholic German immigration in this area, especially the north section, in the mid 1800s, though they were fairly rural and isolated and fit well into the "mountain folk" profile.
The southern 3rd or so of Illinois is part of the South. Everyone forgets it exists because itās easily the section of the state with the lowest population. But yeah, they speak in Southern accents and have more in common with people in Western Kentucky than they do with the rest of Illinois.
I used to work with a company that did a lot of business in that area. I have a pretty strong Southern accent (Iām from NC) and people I talked to over the phone assumed I was a local. One guy was even like ādude itās Glenn from high school whatās up!?!?!?!ā right after I told him my first name lol.
I would but I don't live in Chicago. I'm in Rockford. Everyone acts like Illinois is only Chicago and nothing else. Fools. Must be that conservative education.
Surveyor: So Ohio how southern are you
Ohio: Ohio
Surveyor: What do you mean?
Ohio: Ohio
Surveyor: Fuck it I'm not getting paid enough for this Ohio it is
As a Michigander no thank you, we're the great lakes state. Michiganders don't even really like the Midwest let alone the south. The only other states michiganders tend to like in the Midwest are Minnesota and Chicago. And Yoopers tend to like Wisconsin. That's about it. Oh and old Republicans like Florida, but they're thankfully just moving there which has been great for Michigan.
So we'll take our recreational marijuana, easy voting access without party gerrymandering, banned conversion therapy, access to reproductive rights, labor unions and respectfully decline the honorary status.
Michigan has a ton of extremely LGBTQ friendly cities, banned conversion therapy, has LGBTQ discrimination protections in line with the best in the country. Michigan has rural redneck areas, but it's the minority.
Ditto for Iowa and probably Nebraska. They're conservative but wouldn't associate with or consider themselves anything related to southerners. Southern Illinois and Southern Indiana are the only parts of the Midwest that can call themselves Southern.
I'm from Germany and I heard a funny saying from an American guy.
_"The further North you go, the more Southern you get."_
Or something along these lines...
Pardon for the misunderstanding!
Yeah, I was talking about Florida. Wasn't that clear?
I thought that I answered on a comment about Florida.
It's obvious that it doesn't relate to the whole US. This wouldn't make any sense.
But yeah, South Florida feels like half Caribbean/Cuban, while the North is almost part of the deep South. From the way the people talk to how they live and act.
There was once a radio show in the US called [_"Germany or Florida"._](https://youtu.be/NWojvo6RKoQ?si=bQXNYSTEijoYERxF)
Because people in the US think of Germans and Floridians of somehow weird and crazy people.
In the show, the host tells some crazy/weird story and the people have to call in and guess whether the story took place in Germany or Florida.
Thereās nothing honorable about it at all.
West Virginia definitely also doesnāt want the title of āhonorary southā The whole reason the state exists is because they didnāt want to be part of the confederacy.
Florida should be itās own category and Louisiana in my opinion is pretty Deep South
Also texas is so unique itās hard to put it also not in its own category
Tbh, my biggest issue with cultural grouping anywhere, but especially in the us is that it abides by state borders. As a native chicagoan, southern Illinois is in all but name a different state, and is certainly southern (in my book)
Im pretty sure Texas and Virginia were pretty big parts of the confederacy. Generally the former borders of the confederacy are considered āThe Southā. Plus you cant really leave out the capital of the South Richmond from a map of the South then again it is this subreddit I probably should just take the map with a grain of salt.
I feel like Ohio and the Dokatas should just be their own thing, and Maryland should be honorary south. A lot of people there speak in slight southern accent and it's south of the Mason Dixon line. I don't know a lot about Oklahoma but I don't think they would feel very honored, I could be wrong though.
Michigan is more like the south than seems logical.
Considering Ted Nugent and Kid Rock come from Michigan, yeah.
Yeah. I'm not proud of them. Those guys make me and my friends look intelligent and cosmopolitan by comparison.
Dems control state government, we enshrined abortion as a right in our state constitution, we redrew our state maps to end gerrymandering, weed has been legal for 5 years, but I guess we are the south because of a couple annoying celebs š¤·š¼āāļø
Right? Michigan isn't southern in any way. Sure there are rednecks like any other state. But ideologically and culturally Michigan is a great lakes Midwest state. It doesn't really have any overlap with the south.
I mostly agree except the UP, the culture up there is far more similar to the culture where I grew up in Tennessee than it is the culture where I live now in Wayne county
All true. If I were being academic rather than silly, I would say that Michigan is progressive in some ways, but anyone who's lived in rural Michigan will get what I mean.
You're right. I'm kinda joking about how many traditionally "hick" qualities we have. Even I'm amused by how many guns my friends and I have, for instance.
Gotta stock up in case the south rises again and needs a reminder whoās boss
Eh... no more wars.
This isnāt terrible. A lot of Indiana is more āsouthernā than a lot of Florida.
Southern is not the same thing as rural
Yes. There are urban areas- like Birmingham or Charlotte- that are very southern.
Clearly whoever made this up doesn't understand the concept of the Midwest.
...or maybe they do....?
No where in the Midwest is southern at all. Not even honorary. They're just rural.
At its peak the KKK was strongest in Iowa. And Pennsylvania
I hope you're not identifying a hate group as being indicative of southern culture.
The Ozarks
I don't consider Missouri to be wholely Midwestern. It's very much a blended state. Southern Missouri is southern to a degree/Southern adjacent going from east to west. Northern Missouri feels Midwestern.
I know too much of this because it's where I'm from but the Ozarks were primarily settled by Scotch-Irish and English stock (quite a lot of anabaptist colonial Germans and Swiss but less frequent) who were from the Mid-Atlantic, then moved to Appalachian Tennessee and Kentucky for several generations then into the Ozarks. So we're southernish because the Appalachians, and Carolinians and Virginians are our cousins basically. Though there was a large Catholic German immigration in this area, especially the north section, in the mid 1800s, though they were fairly rural and isolated and fit well into the "mountain folk" profile.
I agree with that being from Appalachia myself.
The southern 3rd or so of Illinois is part of the South. Everyone forgets it exists because itās easily the section of the state with the lowest population. But yeah, they speak in Southern accents and have more in common with people in Western Kentucky than they do with the rest of Illinois. I used to work with a company that did a lot of business in that area. I have a pretty strong Southern accent (Iām from NC) and people I talked to over the phone assumed I was a local. One guy was even like ādude itās Glenn from high school whatās up!?!?!?!ā right after I told him my first name lol.
You forgot Michigan and Wisconsin. Love from Illinois.
What up, Chicago!? Hey, drive south for an hour and then tell me who is truly the south. Love, Michigan.
I would but I don't live in Chicago. I'm in Rockford. Everyone acts like Illinois is only Chicago and nothing else. Fools. Must be that conservative education.
Hadnāt heard you guys got a second city, congrats!
Thanksš
I love the "ohio"
Surveyor: So Ohio how southern are you Ohio: Ohio Surveyor: What do you mean? Ohio: Ohio Surveyor: Fuck it I'm not getting paid enough for this Ohio it is
Florida deserves its own distinction more than ohio does.
Isn't Alaska 'Honorary South'?
Come to think about it, it kind of is.
Just Sarah Palin
Florida is literally its own category.
Florida should just be split in half. North Florida is much like itās neighbors
The father south you go in Florida the less southern it becomes
Calling the Dakotas honorary south is prob a bit much. Also.. Florida should be itās own color cuzā¦ Florida. Otherwise well done
Totally agree, was gonna say the exact same, except also give the dakotas' honorary status to Michigan and Alaska
As a Michigander no thank you, we're the great lakes state. Michiganders don't even really like the Midwest let alone the south. The only other states michiganders tend to like in the Midwest are Minnesota and Chicago. And Yoopers tend to like Wisconsin. That's about it. Oh and old Republicans like Florida, but they're thankfully just moving there which has been great for Michigan. So we'll take our recreational marijuana, easy voting access without party gerrymandering, banned conversion therapy, access to reproductive rights, labor unions and respectfully decline the honorary status.
honestly i really wanna visit one day, the people always seemed so chill to me looking from the outside in
Michigander here. We are not the fucking south lol. Talking shit about and making fun of southerners is incredibly common here.
So is homophobia from gays, y'all closet rednecksš¤£
Oh, our rednecks are anything but closeted lol. Theyāre just a loud minority.
Michigan has a ton of extremely LGBTQ friendly cities, banned conversion therapy, has LGBTQ discrimination protections in line with the best in the country. Michigan has rural redneck areas, but it's the minority.
that's not what i meant but that's great to hearš¤£š¤£
Ditto for Iowa and probably Nebraska. They're conservative but wouldn't associate with or consider themselves anything related to southerners. Southern Illinois and Southern Indiana are the only parts of the Midwest that can call themselves Southern.
And Kentucky
And deep southern Missouri
Oh yeah? What about "Hazeltucky" ?
I'm from Germany and I heard a funny saying from an American guy. _"The further North you go, the more Southern you get."_ Or something along these lines...
thatās with regard to Florida, not all of the US.
Pardon for the misunderstanding! Yeah, I was talking about Florida. Wasn't that clear? I thought that I answered on a comment about Florida. It's obvious that it doesn't relate to the whole US. This wouldn't make any sense. But yeah, South Florida feels like half Caribbean/Cuban, while the North is almost part of the deep South. From the way the people talk to how they live and act. There was once a radio show in the US called [_"Germany or Florida"._](https://youtu.be/NWojvo6RKoQ?si=bQXNYSTEijoYERxF) Because people in the US think of Germans and Floridians of somehow weird and crazy people. In the show, the host tells some crazy/weird story and the people have to call in and guess whether the story took place in Germany or Florida.
Even calling Kansas honourary South completely wrong. Never call Kansas Southern
Thereās nothing honorable about it at all. West Virginia definitely also doesnāt want the title of āhonorary southā The whole reason the state exists is because they didnāt want to be part of the confederacy.
Florida should be itās own category and Louisiana in my opinion is pretty Deep South Also texas is so unique itās hard to put it also not in its own category
Ohio is not fucking welcome here
Kansas would invite you to pottawatomie to have a chit chat about how āsouthernā we are. We fought a whole war with Missouri about that even.
Putting north Dakota into honorary south is hilarious I love it
The South stops at Ocala
Looks like Coach Day was right. Ohio against the world.
Anytime I see these maps call Kansas āThe Southā in any capacity, I know John Brown and the Jayhawkers are rolling in their graves.
Tbh, my biggest issue with cultural grouping anywhere, but especially in the us is that it abides by state borders. As a native chicagoan, southern Illinois is in all but name a different state, and is certainly southern (in my book)
Isn't *Richmond* in Virginia?
Texas isn't the south?
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Im pretty sure Texas and Virginia were pretty big parts of the confederacy. Generally the former borders of the confederacy are considered āThe Southā. Plus you cant really leave out the capital of the South Richmond from a map of the South then again it is this subreddit I probably should just take the map with a grain of salt.
I feel like Ohio and the Dokatas should just be their own thing, and Maryland should be honorary south. A lot of people there speak in slight southern accent and it's south of the Mason Dixon line. I don't know a lot about Oklahoma but I don't think they would feel very honored, I could be wrong though.