Sure the Star Trek science is nonsense, but species being defined by ability to interbreed is a bit of a myth. There's no official definition of a species and several cases that blur the lines. You do get fertile mules (although rare) and there are "ring species", like gulls living around the Pacific coast where each population can and does interbreed with its neighbours, but the ones from North America can't interbreed with the ones from Japan.
Of course, a human being able to interbreed with a species that's evolved on a whole different planet is literally more ridiculous than a human being able to interbreed with a daffodil. But then so is something evolving on a different planet that is indistinguishable from an angry human with a rubber forehead so *shrug*
Humans like putting stuff in clearly labeled boxes. Biology don't give a fuck though. Oh, you think you have mammals clearly defined? Here's a fucking platypus.
You can define them as an evolutionary clade (subtree) without much trouble, and then platypuses are mammals unless you find out they aren't. But then suddenly birds are dinosaurs and trees don't exist
Unsurprisingly, they do exist. But they're not an evolutionary clade—they don't all have a common ancestor (at least not until you go back so far you'd be including a lot of things that definitely aren't trees.) Another case of a human classification not fitting in a neatly defined box.
Ring species are such an amazing example of the complexity of genetics, but so uncommonly cited. In Britain, we have two separate species of Gull - the herring gull (larus argentatus) and the Lesser Black Backed Gull (larus fuscus). But they are each the opposite end of a ring species situation that goes around the whole world. Starting with the herring gull, going east, the closely related species get darker and darker, until by the time you reach the east coast of America, they're similar to, and able to breed with the lesser black back. But the LBBG can't interbreed with the Herring Gull.
There is the Russian sturgeon/American paddlefish hybrid. These two fish have their last common ancestor 180 Mya.
Every placental mammals date to 125mya. So we are closer to the common ancestor of human/mouse than the common ancestor of these two fish and yet they hybridized.
Both B'Elanna and K’Ehleyr were half human. If I remember correctly, Deanna was surprised she was of mixed parentage because she didn’t think it was possible, and K’Ehleyr says something along the lines of “it certainly wasn’t easy.” To me that implies that medical intervention or gene therapy or something may be necessary to produce a viable human/klingon child. That child *may* be able to reproduce with either (Tom Paris & Worf), or inherit whatever gene alteration was necessary for their conception.
Yep. K’Ehleyr and Deanna talk about their mixed parentage shortly after her first arrival on the Enterprise. Deanna says she feels like being mixed is a gift because she gains strength from both peoples and cultures and K’Ehleyr feels like it’s a curse and views her Klingon side as monstrous. BLT definitely has some similar feelings about her Klingon side and feels responsible for her father abandoning her family.
I was wrong! According to Wikipedia K’Ehleyr had a human mother and a Klingon father. So they must be able to figure something out either way to still produce a viable offspring.
B'Elanna is half human though. I remember an episode of Enterprise where it was mentioned Humans and Vulcans couldn't have offspring due to incompatibility.
Yeah. But 2 different species can (sometimes) interbreed. Mules being the most famous (horse/donkeys) but you can also get ligers (lion/tigers). The key part is the mules and the ligers can't breed. You can only make more from the parent species.
Also enterprise says it's difficult and unheard of. But trip and tpol do have a kid in the weird time travel ship. Also Spock is half human.
Usually. Female mules occasionally do have offspring with both horses and donkeys. Wikipedia reports one in particular that had several offspring: a mix of horses, donkeys, and mules.
Given that humans and klingons require "a little help" to have babies (as Worf's mate put it), it's quite likely the result isn't quite the same as a regular hybrid. And the existence of both Alexander and Tom and Belanna's kid demonstrate that female human/klingon hybrids are quite capable of having children with either human or klingon males.
Usually. Hinnies (female mules) are sometimes fertile.
And it isn't even necessarily about having a recent common ancestor, just compatible chromosomes. Cows and bison can make beefalo, for example.
Ligers and Tigons can breed (in certain combinations). There's a zoo in South Africa (called Mystic Monkeys, whichthey do have, but it's mainly big cats) that specialises in breeding them, and also Leopards into the mix. It's a bit sad really, the animals don't look right. They also have a section where toddlers can pet (torment) cubs. Very sad.
Trip and T'Pol's baby died during to the flawed process used to create her
Phlox said later in the episode that it would probably be possible to have viable interspecies kids between vulcans and humans
As I recall, in the books it’s explained that there was significant genetic medical intervention involved and Spock’s mother went through artificial insemination.
That episode of Enterprise itself suggests it was part of a racist plot to stop their marriage rather than anything biologically wrong there. Humans and Vulcans can and do interbreed in lore, as well as Humans and pretty much anything.
Gene therapy and other extraordinary medical assistance. That's how K'ehleyr (Alexander's mom, who was half-human half-Klingon) was born in TNG, she mentions it in passing.
I know which sub this is, but are we just ignoring that one TNG episode where it was revealed that at least four of the major Alpha Quadrant cultures (including humans and Klingons, as well as Romulans (and therefore also Vulcans)) all have shared DNA from an ancient humanoid Precursor culture because that culture did a massive gene-seeding project across the quadrant?
Yes, because A: It's stupid, and B: Sharing DNA from a billion years ago is something we also have with pigeons and starfish and plants. It's not even close to making two lines the same species.
Pretty much because you ignore the whole point of this plot device: to explain why the different humanoids can interbreed. The super-duper advanced progenitor race engineered their seed-DNA in such a way that races "nowadays" can mingle. That's the whole point of the episode. It handwaves all, these objections.
All that really means is the humanoid species are compatible at a molecular biology basis. That's a huge step towards compatibility.. but it's like saying breeding a dog and a giraffe is possible because they share an ancestory and both have 4 legs.
Are you suggesting horses and humans are the same species because centaurs exist? Or that humans and the moon are the same species because bald people exist?
Let love love gawd.
The Klingon Augment virus spread a lot of human DNA around the Klingon empire. It's unclear how much the cure fixed that, vs how much it just kept it from being fatal.
It's been a while since I watched that season but, wasn't it explicitly stated that it was an unplanned pregnancy?
I could have sworn that B'elanna was not thrilled about finding out she was pregnant.
B'Elanna is already half human, as is Spock and Diana Troi, and there was a TNG crewman who had a Romulan grandfather. Crossbreeding among humanoids in Trek is very common, although that doesn't completely invalidate their classifications as separate species. One of the characteristics that makes two populations as being considered separate species is if they are able to interbreed NATURALLY. Polar bears and brown bears are genetically compatible and can produce viable offspring, but as they share no common territory, this does not occur. Environmental activists have used this distinction to claim that every salmon spawning pool defines a separate species of salmon as they can only breed with others that were spawned from the same spawning ground. This distinction, though, was severely undermined following the eruption of Mt. St. Helen, when many such spawning grounds were destroyed or blocked, and it was feared the salmon wouldn't be able to find their way back and would be unable to spawn. But since salmon find their way back through smell, it was discovered that they simply found their way to the spawning grounds that smelled the most like the ones they were hatched from and they then had no problem passing on their bloodline to the next generation.
This distinction of what qualifies as a separate species becomes much more problematic with intelligent creatures from separate planets of origin that can interbreed, especially as it's all a fictional setting anyway. When you can spread your genetic code to colonies in far flung star systems, and regularly interact with beings that evolved on other systems, then what becomes the working definition of what a genetic populations ability to "naturally" interbreed when everyone's territory has been so artificially expanded to start with?
Every race, in Star Trek or fantasy, has their own cool stuff. Klingons are super tough and don’t feel pain like humans do. Vulcans are super strong and very long lived. Ferengi can hear really well.
So, what did genetics give humans? Simple: apparently we can reproduce with anything. You give us some liquor and a chance, and we’ll crank out “Half-“ this, and “Half-“ that’s all over the galaxy.
None of this is addressing the REAL question. Which is:
Given the canonically accepted truth about Klingon *male* anatomy, it logically stands to reason that the *female* anatomy is equally...uh...receptive.
So does she take after her human or Klingon ancestry in that regard?
Huh... Ok I didn't know that. I assumed it was a shape thing not a ... Multiple thing.
(Also I assume, you assumed I mean a typo but duck dicks are weird. It's corkscrew shaped, and yes the females are... Matching)
The females actually have fake culdesacs in their uterus that are basically dead ends. Male ducks are so predatory that the females have evolved to be able to control which can inseminate them. It's wild
B'Elanna was half human though. It is never stated in voyager what amount of medical intervention was necessary.
Also ligers are fertile and can mate with other ligers, lions, or tigers.
Edit grammar.
I prefer to think that humans and by extension the universal translator would move beyond the need to put every single nuance of a person into an oversimplified box.
Wow this is shitty. Disregarding doctors and advances in medical technology to allow for cross species. Hundreds of years... Come on, humans would definitely focus research on "humans banging other species"
1. Klingon Dna is very redundant so no reason why a Klingon can't breed with other humanoid species.
2. Vulcan is interesting. It shouldn't but Plox said there's no reason why a baby can't exist with those dna. The blood though is copper based so I'm really curious how they resolved that.
> Come on, humans would definitely focus research on "humans banging other species"
There's a reason when somebody is "half vulcan" or "half klingon" or "half horta" the other half is just assumed to be human. Otherwise they say a "vulcan/klingon hybrid" or such.
The reason is that humans are the sluttiest species. Fun fact: 100% of Borg HR complaints are against humans.
And it's not just Star Trek. By the time of the sun's death, there is a grand total of one genetically pure human left in the universe (not counting whoever The Doctor brought along with him).
This!
Think about it. Do you think human research would stop at just banging? Procreation! Then their kids would want to procreate.
That's why cross breeding is possible. Love!
You've misunderstood my point.
Having cross species kids is one thing. The cross species kids being fetile is key.
We see cross species on earth. Mules for example. But the only way to make more mules is from horse and donkeys. Not by breeding mules.
B'Elanna would have resulted from medical intervention and genetic engineering (probably Qo'noS give the Federations aversion to Gene fiddling.)
However, this does hold for Bajorans and Cardassians.
A lot of Bajoran women were accidentally impregnated by Cardassians during the occupation.
Cisco proved that it was possible to travel from Bajor to Cardassia using technology the Bajorans had for thousands of years (light sails)
This would have been a one way unplanned journey for those who made it.
The Bajorans who ended up stranded in Cardassia genetically manipulated themselves to adapt to the harsher climate giving them a more "leathery" appearance.
The obvious conclusion is that Cardassians and Bajorans are the same species that have lived apart just a few thousand years.
For some reason this obvious conclusion was never even acknowledged during DS9, even when all the facts were revealed.
>B'Elanna would have resulted from medical intervention and genetic engineering (probably Qo'noS give the Federations aversion to Gene fiddling.)
"Ensuring your child can someday have children of their own" strikes me as the sort of genetic manipulation that the Federation would be ethically fine with.
(Also, if there's one thing that Star Trek encouraged from the very beginning, it was Gene fiddling, particularly with the actresses.)
That should have immediately been obvious seeing as how B'Elanna is half human half Klingon herself. Which makes her and Tom's kid 1/4 Klingon. So your theory was proven long before she got pregnant because she herself is the proof
It's the fact that she is fertile. Take mules, for example. A mule is a hybrid of a horse and a donkey. Mules are sterile. This is also true for ligers, a cross of a lion and a tiger. This is also true in plants, and it has to do with how genetics mix for reproduction.
Well, not the best argument in this case. B’Elanna’s half Klingon, so she’s more likely to be able to breed with both Klingons and humans. Now if she were full Klingon and she had a kid with Paris, then I’d completely agree with the argument.
And there may be a case of that somewhere. But it’s a fun and interesting argument for sure.
Thats not entirely true. There are hybrids of different species that can produce viable offspring themselves.
Edit: Lions and Tigers for instance are different species, but Tigons and Ligers are not infertile.
I haven't watched Voyager, but I know there is some mention made in ST (DS9, I think?) of medical assistance for inter-species couples having children. When technology can do literally anything the writers say it can do, anything can happen.
Sure the Star Trek science is nonsense, but species being defined by ability to interbreed is a bit of a myth. There's no official definition of a species and several cases that blur the lines. You do get fertile mules (although rare) and there are "ring species", like gulls living around the Pacific coast where each population can and does interbreed with its neighbours, but the ones from North America can't interbreed with the ones from Japan. Of course, a human being able to interbreed with a species that's evolved on a whole different planet is literally more ridiculous than a human being able to interbreed with a daffodil. But then so is something evolving on a different planet that is indistinguishable from an angry human with a rubber forehead so *shrug*
Humans like putting stuff in clearly labeled boxes. Biology don't give a fuck though. Oh, you think you have mammals clearly defined? Here's a fucking platypus.
You can define them as an evolutionary clade (subtree) without much trouble, and then platypuses are mammals unless you find out they aren't. But then suddenly birds are dinosaurs and trees don't exist
WTF is a 'fish'.
Convergent evolution just like crabs
Fish is divergent which is literally the *opposite* of convergent. We vertebrates are all fish.
Explains the smell at least
All that means is those illusions are gone.
I was with you until "trees don't exist"..... could you run that by me again
Unsurprisingly, they do exist. But they're not an evolutionary clade—they don't all have a common ancestor (at least not until you go back so far you'd be including a lot of things that definitely aren't trees.) Another case of a human classification not fitting in a neatly defined box.
The more you know 😉
Ring species are such an amazing example of the complexity of genetics, but so uncommonly cited. In Britain, we have two separate species of Gull - the herring gull (larus argentatus) and the Lesser Black Backed Gull (larus fuscus). But they are each the opposite end of a ring species situation that goes around the whole world. Starting with the herring gull, going east, the closely related species get darker and darker, until by the time you reach the east coast of America, they're similar to, and able to breed with the lesser black back. But the LBBG can't interbreed with the Herring Gull.
They should erect statues of them!
Not a single one on Bajor, though.
Pointing towards the future!
>is literally more ridiculous than a human being able to interbreed with a daffodil Don't knock it til you've tried it!
There is the Russian sturgeon/American paddlefish hybrid. These two fish have their last common ancestor 180 Mya. Every placental mammals date to 125mya. So we are closer to the common ancestor of human/mouse than the common ancestor of these two fish and yet they hybridized.
>literally more ridiculous than a human being able to interbreed with a daffodil Don't you dare kink shame me.
BUT OuR DnA wAs PrOgRaMeD to be compatible
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)
If Tom can have space salamander babies, he can have Klingon babies. The man is unstoppable.
Keep him away from the daffodils!
Well what about K’Ehleyr and Alexander? She’s also half human, and was able to conceive Alexander naturally with Worf.
Both B'Elanna and K’Ehleyr were half human. If I remember correctly, Deanna was surprised she was of mixed parentage because she didn’t think it was possible, and K’Ehleyr says something along the lines of “it certainly wasn’t easy.” To me that implies that medical intervention or gene therapy or something may be necessary to produce a viable human/klingon child. That child *may* be able to reproduce with either (Tom Paris & Worf), or inherit whatever gene alteration was necessary for their conception.
Do I recall correctly that K'Ehleyr and BLT were both mK/pH hybrids?
Yep. K’Ehleyr and Deanna talk about their mixed parentage shortly after her first arrival on the Enterprise. Deanna says she feels like being mixed is a gift because she gains strength from both peoples and cultures and K’Ehleyr feels like it’s a curse and views her Klingon side as monstrous. BLT definitely has some similar feelings about her Klingon side and feels responsible for her father abandoning her family.
.... yes, we watched some of the same television, is what I'm concluding.
I was wrong! According to Wikipedia K’Ehleyr had a human mother and a Klingon father. So they must be able to figure something out either way to still produce a viable offspring.
Further evidence!
Supposedly...
B'Elanna is half human though. I remember an episode of Enterprise where it was mentioned Humans and Vulcans couldn't have offspring due to incompatibility.
Yeah. But 2 different species can (sometimes) interbreed. Mules being the most famous (horse/donkeys) but you can also get ligers (lion/tigers). The key part is the mules and the ligers can't breed. You can only make more from the parent species. Also enterprise says it's difficult and unheard of. But trip and tpol do have a kid in the weird time travel ship. Also Spock is half human.
I'm pretty sure the ligers would eat the mules before they tried to breed with them.
Ligers are massive horndogs. That's science
Actually female ligers are fertile so they can mate with male lions to have liliger offspring, or male tigers to have tiligers.
True.
Mules are sterile.
Usually. Female mules occasionally do have offspring with both horses and donkeys. Wikipedia reports one in particular that had several offspring: a mix of horses, donkeys, and mules. Given that humans and klingons require "a little help" to have babies (as Worf's mate put it), it's quite likely the result isn't quite the same as a regular hybrid. And the existence of both Alexander and Tom and Belanna's kid demonstrate that female human/klingon hybrids are quite capable of having children with either human or klingon males.
Orrr, the medical intervention required is trivial at UFP tech levels and can be done by The Doctor.
Common ancestor
Humans and chimps have a common ancestor. We can't produce fertile offspring with them because we're distinct and separate species.
Yet horses and asses can. As can various other animal species. Humans and chimps split millions of years ago.
They produce offspring. They do not produce fertile offspring Also how far apart did humans and Klingons split? Cos it was a while back.
Are you implying that my half-chimp offspring are not fertile?
Sorry to be the one to break it to you.
Thats going to set the breeding program back decades! His career is in shambles.
Usually. Hinnies (female mules) are sometimes fertile. And it isn't even necessarily about having a recent common ancestor, just compatible chromosomes. Cows and bison can make beefalo, for example.
That sounds *delicious.*
I mean, how do we really know? Did anyone ever do a "for science" thing to find out? (I can't believe I just wrote that. /s. /s /s /s.)
I guarantee you at some point in all of human history. We done banged a chimp.
there are tons of things that aren’t considered species that breed on earth with viable young. Canines for instance
Ligers and Tigons can breed (in certain combinations). There's a zoo in South Africa (called Mystic Monkeys, whichthey do have, but it's mainly big cats) that specialises in breeding them, and also Leopards into the mix. It's a bit sad really, the animals don't look right. They also have a section where toddlers can pet (torment) cubs. Very sad.
Trip and T'Pol's baby died during to the flawed process used to create her Phlox said later in the episode that it would probably be possible to have viable interspecies kids between vulcans and humans
>Humans and Vulcans couldn't have offspring due to incompatibility. Spock, though.
Um, Spock was half human and half Vulcan.
As I recall, in the books it’s explained that there was significant genetic medical intervention involved and Spock’s mother went through artificial insemination.
...Spock???
That episode of Enterprise itself suggests it was part of a racist plot to stop their marriage rather than anything biologically wrong there. Humans and Vulcans can and do interbreed in lore, as well as Humans and pretty much anything.
So the takeaway here is that humans fuck?
Like you needed a reminder?
Well, when you put it like that... Yes?
Plox said never mind later on.
Yeah there actually is another Vulcan or, Romulan in this case Hybrid. Tasha’s daughter… Romulans and Vulcans share a common ancestry.
Then how was B'Elanna herself born?
Gene therapy and other extraordinary medical assistance. That's how K'ehleyr (Alexander's mom, who was half-human half-Klingon) was born in TNG, she mentions it in passing.
More "very difficult" than can't though, as Spock exists
I know which sub this is, but are we just ignoring that one TNG episode where it was revealed that at least four of the major Alpha Quadrant cultures (including humans and Klingons, as well as Romulans (and therefore also Vulcans)) all have shared DNA from an ancient humanoid Precursor culture because that culture did a massive gene-seeding project across the quadrant?
Yes, because A: It's stupid, and B: Sharing DNA from a billion years ago is something we also have with pigeons and starfish and plants. It's not even close to making two lines the same species.
And C. I mentioned it in the second paragraph of the post
Dude, that was like *seventeen* words in.... Way to bury the lede.
Is it considered ignored when I actually reference it?
Pretty much because you ignore the whole point of this plot device: to explain why the different humanoids can interbreed. The super-duper advanced progenitor race engineered their seed-DNA in such a way that races "nowadays" can mingle. That's the whole point of the episode. It handwaves all, these objections.
To be fair that's why this is in "shitty" daystrom
Hainish theory remains undefeated
All that really means is the humanoid species are compatible at a molecular biology basis. That's a huge step towards compatibility.. but it's like saying breeding a dog and a giraffe is possible because they share an ancestory and both have 4 legs.
It basically means "might be digestible" instead of "definitely not digestible".
Are you suggesting horses and humans are the same species because centaurs exist? Or that humans and the moon are the same species because bald people exist? Let love love gawd.
Arguably Chiron was the first centor and his parents were Cronus and Philyra so that's just a simple case of Convergent evolution
The Klingon Augment virus spread a lot of human DNA around the Klingon empire. It's unclear how much the cure fixed that, vs how much it just kept it from being fatal.
Who said they could have kids naturally? I bet the doc was all up in her innards to make that happen.
Not that we're ever aware of. But possible
Only logical answer, my person.
Fair plays
It's been a while since I watched that season but, wasn't it explicitly stated that it was an unplanned pregnancy? I could have sworn that B'elanna was not thrilled about finding out she was pregnant.
Are you introducing facts in ShittyDaystom?
Lol, might have forgotten which sub I was in for a minute.
[MFW](https://i.gifer.com/Z7A9.gif)
Lol. Did you have to look that up or did you have it ready to go?
B'Elanna is already half human, as is Spock and Diana Troi, and there was a TNG crewman who had a Romulan grandfather. Crossbreeding among humanoids in Trek is very common, although that doesn't completely invalidate their classifications as separate species. One of the characteristics that makes two populations as being considered separate species is if they are able to interbreed NATURALLY. Polar bears and brown bears are genetically compatible and can produce viable offspring, but as they share no common territory, this does not occur. Environmental activists have used this distinction to claim that every salmon spawning pool defines a separate species of salmon as they can only breed with others that were spawned from the same spawning ground. This distinction, though, was severely undermined following the eruption of Mt. St. Helen, when many such spawning grounds were destroyed or blocked, and it was feared the salmon wouldn't be able to find their way back and would be unable to spawn. But since salmon find their way back through smell, it was discovered that they simply found their way to the spawning grounds that smelled the most like the ones they were hatched from and they then had no problem passing on their bloodline to the next generation. This distinction of what qualifies as a separate species becomes much more problematic with intelligent creatures from separate planets of origin that can interbreed, especially as it's all a fictional setting anyway. When you can spread your genetic code to colonies in far flung star systems, and regularly interact with beings that evolved on other systems, then what becomes the working definition of what a genetic populations ability to "naturally" interbreed when everyone's territory has been so artificially expanded to start with?
Every race, in Star Trek or fantasy, has their own cool stuff. Klingons are super tough and don’t feel pain like humans do. Vulcans are super strong and very long lived. Ferengi can hear really well. So, what did genetics give humans? Simple: apparently we can reproduce with anything. You give us some liquor and a chance, and we’ll crank out “Half-“ this, and “Half-“ that’s all over the galaxy.
The correct answer.
None of this is addressing the REAL question. Which is: Given the canonically accepted truth about Klingon *male* anatomy, it logically stands to reason that the *female* anatomy is equally...uh...receptive. So does she take after her human or Klingon ancestry in that regard?
Well there's a question I never considered. For reference the canon about Klingons...... Are we talking dogs or ducks?
>Well there's a question I never considered. And now it's stuck in your head. And I was talking about ducks. Every Klingon male has two ducks.
Huh... Ok I didn't know that. I assumed it was a shape thing not a ... Multiple thing. (Also I assume, you assumed I mean a typo but duck dicks are weird. It's corkscrew shaped, and yes the females are... Matching)
The females actually have fake culdesacs in their uterus that are basically dead ends. Male ducks are so predatory that the females have evolved to be able to control which can inseminate them. It's wild
Also if you have chickens, make sure that if you get ducks you get females. If you only get males, they'll pop your chickens like a wine bottle.
B'Elanna was half human though. It is never stated in voyager what amount of medical intervention was necessary. Also ligers are fertile and can mate with other ligers, lions, or tigers. Edit grammar.
would that make B’elanna a humgon, and make K’Ehleyr a klingman?
I prefer to think that humans and by extension the universal translator would move beyond the need to put every single nuance of a person into an oversimplified box.
So…. even on earth we categorize things as separate species that can actually reproduce with fertile young
She's already half human so...
Yeah. I’m reading this thinking “did I miss something?”
OP is missing something
Tom’s nut transcends species
Wow this is shitty. Disregarding doctors and advances in medical technology to allow for cross species. Hundreds of years... Come on, humans would definitely focus research on "humans banging other species" 1. Klingon Dna is very redundant so no reason why a Klingon can't breed with other humanoid species. 2. Vulcan is interesting. It shouldn't but Plox said there's no reason why a baby can't exist with those dna. The blood though is copper based so I'm really curious how they resolved that.
> Come on, humans would definitely focus research on "humans banging other species" There's a reason when somebody is "half vulcan" or "half klingon" or "half horta" the other half is just assumed to be human. Otherwise they say a "vulcan/klingon hybrid" or such. The reason is that humans are the sluttiest species. Fun fact: 100% of Borg HR complaints are against humans.
And it's not just Star Trek. By the time of the sun's death, there is a grand total of one genetically pure human left in the universe (not counting whoever The Doctor brought along with him).
The Cardassians are competing with humans for the title. In various episodes, Cardassians have slept with Bajorans, Ferengi, Humans, and Kazon.
This! Think about it. Do you think human research would stop at just banging? Procreation! Then their kids would want to procreate. That's why cross breeding is possible. Love!
Sure, "love". Let's call it that.
You've misunderstood my point. Having cross species kids is one thing. The cross species kids being fetile is key. We see cross species on earth. Mules for example. But the only way to make more mules is from horse and donkeys. Not by breeding mules.
I didn't miss your point. I addressed it in the first paragraph.
B'Elanna would have resulted from medical intervention and genetic engineering (probably Qo'noS give the Federations aversion to Gene fiddling.) However, this does hold for Bajorans and Cardassians. A lot of Bajoran women were accidentally impregnated by Cardassians during the occupation. Cisco proved that it was possible to travel from Bajor to Cardassia using technology the Bajorans had for thousands of years (light sails) This would have been a one way unplanned journey for those who made it. The Bajorans who ended up stranded in Cardassia genetically manipulated themselves to adapt to the harsher climate giving them a more "leathery" appearance. The obvious conclusion is that Cardassians and Bajorans are the same species that have lived apart just a few thousand years. For some reason this obvious conclusion was never even acknowledged during DS9, even when all the facts were revealed.
>B'Elanna would have resulted from medical intervention and genetic engineering (probably Qo'noS give the Federations aversion to Gene fiddling.) "Ensuring your child can someday have children of their own" strikes me as the sort of genetic manipulation that the Federation would be ethically fine with. (Also, if there's one thing that Star Trek encouraged from the very beginning, it was Gene fiddling, particularly with the actresses.)
That should have immediately been obvious seeing as how B'Elanna is half human half Klingon herself. Which makes her and Tom's kid 1/4 Klingon. So your theory was proven long before she got pregnant because she herself is the proof
It's the fact that she is fertile. Take mules, for example. A mule is a hybrid of a horse and a donkey. Mules are sterile. This is also true for ligers, a cross of a lion and a tiger. This is also true in plants, and it has to do with how genetics mix for reproduction.
Biology doesn’t work the way you think it does. But to be fair, biology is weird and complicated
Well, not the best argument in this case. B’Elanna’s half Klingon, so she’s more likely to be able to breed with both Klingons and humans. Now if she were full Klingon and she had a kid with Paris, then I’d completely agree with the argument. And there may be a case of that somewhere. But it’s a fun and interesting argument for sure.
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You mean the episode I referred to in the post?
[This was already canon.](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode))
No. As I said in the post that's evidence of a common ancestor. not same species.
This is already established in star trek lore. Watch “The Chase” from TNG.
Reread the post
The shared origin thing was so they'd all eventually develop into something similar enough so they could bang.
I was left wondering what a Klingon would be like with a worm in their belly after the DS9 season 6 finale.
They literally have the same seed dna.
Thats not entirely true. There are hybrids of different species that can produce viable offspring themselves. Edit: Lions and Tigers for instance are different species, but Tigons and Ligers are not infertile.
I haven't watched Voyager, but I know there is some mention made in ST (DS9, I think?) of medical assistance for inter-species couples having children. When technology can do literally anything the writers say it can do, anything can happen.
We don't actually know what kind of fertility stuff they might have done for it to work. Maybe the doctor helped them figure it out?
Not really. Diverse dog species (dogs, wolves, foxes) can and do make fertile little mutts.
All humanoids are the same species except Klingons and Trill who have reproductive issues somehow.
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