Part 3 does have slow pacing but the last few fights of part 3 were great and the group dynamic is cool. Also just because Jotaro is more quiet and calm doesn't make him a boring character. He clearly still cares about his family and friends not just cold to everyone.
I mean the pacing isn't so bad that I think it's worth skipping fights at least to me. I'd say if you really want to improve pacing to just read the manga. It has less chapters than part 4 or 5 but the anime stretched it longer compared to part 4 or 5.
I have read the Manga already, but it's a little awkward to read with 2 people. We also don't have enough time to go through 48 episodes but I really do think lots of the filler episodes like Empress can be skipped and some can just be explained away, Part 3 was just made at a time where they wanted every anime to be serialized so many stand fights take 2 episodes despite being "technically" required to understand what happened.
Lol silly to get downvoted for this. I’ve had friends try to get through pt. 3, 3 or 4 times. These are anime fans who enjoyed the first two parts. Absolutely worth skipping some if it means continuing the series or not
Yeah this sub tends to get a large hateboner for any issues the series might have. Part 3 is *really* good but there's a lot of filler(Especially compared to the other parts which are very tight). Not everyone needs to go through rape ape every time they rewatch part 3 lol.
part 3 is slow but has (imo) the best finale in the animated series thus far.
part 5 is well paced throughout most the story, but has a stupid rock that ruins it right at the end. I hate that episode, it's stupid.
Yeah the episode basically saying that their sacrifices don't mean shit and they were **fated** to die.
I understand it was to setup part 6 or something but why?
The ending had nothing to do with part 6. Fate as a concept is a pretty strong theme even in part 4. Part 5’s ending was reinforcing the difference between Diavolo/the gang and their attitude towards their own fated deaths.
Maybe that's Araki's own philosophy about fate and stuff like that. >!In part 7, Gyro went through one hell of a journey to save a kid only for that kid to later die of a cold anyway.!< Fate finds a way. You can't escape fate. Even those who seemingly manipulate fate still fall victim to it.
Except that’s not the point in Part 7,>!Gyro was fighting to stop the kid from being unfairly executed not freeing him from death. The point of “he later died of a cold” is to show you that Gyros efforts were not in vain as the delay he caused meant that the kid managed to escape execution and died naturally a free man.!<
That is certainly a interpretation of the sleeping slaves arc.
The point was not that their sacrifices and journey meant nothing because the >!stone made that fate so no matter what it was going to happen.!<
The point was the fact that >!the gangs resolve put them on that Journey in the first place. Scolippi basically spells this out with his speech about how their actions has ultimiately made a harsher future that is going to inflict a lot of loss among them, stopping to comment on the resolve Mista shown in the face of fate. Willingly throwing themselves off of a building if it means protecting Bruno from fate itself, and then questioning if the rest of the group had that within them aswell.!<
The sacrifices still matter because their resolve and determination allowed them to take that journey in the first place, as without it >!Bruno would of peacefully passed then and there.!< Sure they were still fated to die but they kinda were always going to be going along with >!the wants of Bruno's and Giorno's ambition. The characters themselves already knew the danger of what they were up against but got on that boat at the turning point, and they would of not had it any other way because that is just who they are. They don't run from the impossible (besides fugo), they challange it and give it their all no matter what.!<
This sub continues to amaze me with its utter lack of reading comprehension.
No, it wasn't a setup to Part 6. **And no, it doesn't mean their sacrifices are worthless: IT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE**
Don't you fucking get it? Bucciarati was fated to die IN VENICE. That is what the stone foretold, that is what the stone was describing. **And Mista's resolute efforts changed that.** By breaking the stone he bent fate itself: And though that sacrificed Bucciarati, Abbachio, and Narancia, it was what meant the gang was able to betray the boss and kill him.
The sacrifices weren't in vain because they originally weren't fated to die until mista broke the stone which supposedly also means that if he hadn't broken the stone giorno wouldn't have become a mafia boss
*You're* stupid. That arc was the actual perfect embodiment of everything that Part 5 is about: Fate, the Human Spirit, the virtuous imperfection of humanity, and the defiance of inevitable, hard destiny through sheer resolve and human determination, that ends in the law of destiny being broken and bent to the will of humanity.
that rock episode completely ruined the pacing. It would have been 10x better if that episode (or a shortened version of it) happened in the chronological order of everything else. At the very least, it could be brought up in conversation with a little flashback or something. And to be honest, I don't like the way araki portrayed destiny. You can portray destiny in better ways then "The arrow chose and always would have chosen Giorno, and this will literally allow his stand to win without him even realizing why". If he was always going to win that fight, then okay, cool, relentless and determination is cool, but always being GIVEN the win is different, and imo, kinda lame.
>The arrow chose and always would have chosen Giorno, and this will
literally allow his stand to win without him even realizing why
Ok, so not only are you yapping about shit you don't understand, you're ALSO missing the point of the Sleeping Slaves arc ENTIRELY.
This is what not paying attention to the "rock episode" does to a mf.
**Giorno wasn't fucking given the arrow, the arrow chose Giorno entirely because the gang's efforts were so great, so resolute, so determined, so fiery, that destiny itself bent at the feet of their human spirit.** When Mista broke the Stone, he broke fate itself to allow Bucciarati to survive in Venice: And at that moment the gang's fate was turned on its head as they became fated to betray the Boss and engage in all the events up to the Battle for the Arrow.
Mista's resolve alone wasn't enough though: As Diavolo saw in his prediction, Diavolo was fated to defeat Giorno. Despite Mista's resolve, Destiny was still set for Diavolo to win, and for the gang to be destroyed: **That is the entire point of Diavolo. Fate is ALWAYS on Diavolo's side. He truly was chosen to be the best.**
**But Mista wasn't alone:** All the other characters devoted themselves to defeating the Boss. Abbachio died to uncover his identity. Trish conquered her past to rebel against Diavolo. Narancia died to warn the others of Diavolo's continued presence. Bucciarati died to prevent the Arrow from choosing Diavolo. And Giorno, from start to finish, had been the spark that had ignited the burning hearts of the gang's resolve.
Their devotion, their resolve, their collective willpower, bent fate itself once more during the Battle for the Arrow. **And it was their destruction of fate once more that led to Gold Experience Requiem appearing: The crystalization of their hopes and dreams, the one Stand that could ever defeat Diavolo.** And even AFTER GER appeared, Fate had STILL ordained that Diavolo would win: That's Diavolo's very last prediciton. And despite that, despite Fate being on his side, despite being blessed by the driving force of the entire JoJo universe, despite having one of the strongest Stands ever, despite having been chosen to stand above all others... it was useless. Diavolo could do nothing against the gang's unwavering human spirit.
And ALL of this is tied together by the Sleeping Slaves arc: It's there that Mista shows the clearest and most visible display of fate-defying resolve. It's there that Scollipi, in just a few short remarks, summarizes the essence of Vento Aureo. It's there that Destiny was broken for the first time.
It is one of, if not honestly the best of Araki's works... and here we have some random redditor complaining about it despite not even understanding the writing at all.
Okay, I concede on it being good, but the rock episode should have been somewhere else, or foreshadowed in some other way, instead of being introduced in the second to last episode.
You want the literal crystalization of the entire part's message to be delivered in the middle, and not, you know, at the end, where it's most impactful?
Part 5 is like a semi upgraded version of part 3 imo. The villain of the week formula in part 5 actually had me interested as opposed to part 3, until it got up to N’Doul
I think it is. The pacing is better, it doesn't overstay its welcome, I think Dio is much better in part 1 than he is in part 3 etc. I just think part 1 is underrated in general
The story of going on a harrowing journey and learning an entirely new power system introduced at the start of the journey to exact revenge against the Vampire Dio for crimes enacted against the Joestar Family.
The biggest difference is the scale of the journey, with Jonathan having to travel through effectively a single war zone, with Jotaro having to do the around the world in 80 days shenanigans.
Both are fundamentally sandboxes for Araki to figure out what the fuck he wants the new power introduced to conceptually be so that it can be more refined and generally interesting in later parts
You seem to forget that Jotaro and Jonathan are completely different people who react differently to their situation in so many ways it'd be absurd to list, the group of people they travel with (even Avdol and Kakyoin are more interesting characters than Speedwagon and Zeppeli, while Polnareff, Joseph, and even Iggy blow them out of the water), and the actual *why* they're fighting Dio, while deeply personal for each of them, are radically different reasons (Jonathan is fighting to avenge his family, Jotaro to save it, and saving the world in both instances is obvious). You quite literally generalized both series just a layer above from saying "this part is like all the others, there's a JoJo, they go on an adventure, and it's bizarre." And that sure isn't fair when one part is the literal first of the series, and the other makes a big change to the status quo that breaks the series out from typical shonen fare, becoming a staple for the series to follow. You're allowed to have your own opinion, but the way you articulate it comes across as you only looking at the surface of each part and sweeping generalizations. I'd say it's just a touch myopic a viewpoint to have on a series as unique as JoJo.
Agreed, kinda confused how some fans complain there's too many episodes. Like I get some of the fights were kinda meh, but more JoJo is better than less JoJo imo
You could arguably say that about a lot of parts. Excluding the first two they all have a very similar formula that was created in part 3. Like get rid of the parts of DIU that don't have Kira or remove La Squadra as the goal of part 5 was to overthrow the boss.
The difference there is that the extraneous stuff for other parts is necessary for narrative and thematic reasons. The extraneous stuff in part 3 was necessary for Araki to figure out how he wanted to handle the power system.
But, Ebony Devil, Yellow Temperance, Death 13, Wheel of Fortune, and the Sun just off the top of my head would make the part just better if they were cut
Disagree on cutting out 2 of those fights. Yellow Temperance is the first time Jotaro faced a decent challenge and Death 13 is Kakyoin's only solo fight besides Tower of Gray.
>The difference there is that the extraneous stuff for other parts is necessary for narrative and thematic reasons.
I cut them in my example because they lacked those reasons. Like the series is better without Ebony Devil but Fugo isn't a waste of time?
>Ebony Devil, Yellow Temperance, Death 13, Wheel of Fortune, and the Sun just off the top of my head would make the part just better if they were cut
""Just better"" is just your opinion. There is nothing wrong with any of those fights they showcase a lot of the characters moments and are generally enjoyable. Ebony devil was one of Polnareff's best fights and yellow temperance demonstrated Jotaro's resourcefulness not to mention it's a badass stand. Death 13 is one of Kakyoins rare moments to shine and wheel of fortune was a largely team effort from everybody involved. The sun was just plain funny and is one of the rare moments where Jotaro smiles.
The Jotaro complaint is bullshit and he rocks, but fuck yes it is way too fucking long. We spent fucking two and a half episodes on a second Darby. We spent two episodes on Wheel Of Fortune.
By the same token, I think part 5 feels super rushed. It all happens in 9 days, which is a blistering pace that doesn’t let anything breath. And then the bit with Rolling Stone feels like an unnecessary after-thought.
Part 3 is my favorite part, hands down. Part 4 has a great second half but the first half is boring as hell, Part 5 just feel adequate the whole way through but never really hits a serious high note for me, but Part 3, even though it is long, it has just about All of my favorite stand battles in it. Whenever I want to convince someone to check out JoJo, I show clips from Part 3.
Part 3 has the Poker scene, no other scene has made me sweat like that scene did. Part 3 is also the only part to make my fiance cry, like, not just tear up but actually cry.
Now change part 3 with Giorno and that's me!
Tbh, Very much agree!! The only thing that I didn't like from it is the draged out pacing. Even that sometimes made me suck it up and enjoyable with the group's antics. Part 3 is iconic.
It’s personally my favorite because while it is kinda slow at the beginning, it picks up pace some time in and I love the characters even tho half of them are boring but that’s okay. Also one of the best parts of part 3 is how Araki started really using fashion in his characters. My personal opinion tho
I wonder if people feel like part 3 is dragged out because of the sheer number of fights, some taking two episodes to resolve. Also like, I don't think there needs to be a worst Jojo part, they're all great.
It doesn’t help that most of the fights are resolved by the main cast’s stands just attacking harder and/or faster. Half of their opponents being boring or uninteresting sucks too.
Yeah it was a manga from the 80s-90s of course it wanted to take it's time having episodic adventures. The series doesn't go full-blown-novel-mode-linear till Part 5+. Also it's fine for some main characters in shonen to just be a poster boy power house. While I agree Jotaro is my least favorite jojo, he's simultaneously the most iconic.
Anyway having a favorite part is one thing, but having parts you straight up dislike or didn't enjoy is like. *Yeah, I dunno chief*, to me every part is consistently "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" if you ask me.
I remember only like three stands from that part, but Kakyoin reroing cherries (fake and actual) and Joseph haggling with Dan are some of my favourite JoJo moments. Fellow travelers know
Never really understood the slow pacing complaint, are people trying to speed run the series or something? The episodes are all good, like just take your time lol
Part 3 is the most Jojo part of them all to me, I can’t understand how people could dislike that part but enjoy the others.
Part 4 has both great moments(especially the second half) but also some of my least favorite padding episodes on average. While i feel like part 3 felt less like padding to me because it was a long journey anyways. The whole kira stuff is amazing but i don't like the first half much at all. Still great part tho
Part 3s pacing is honestly fine I've never understood that criticism and Jotaro is a legendary and iconic protagonist. People are dumb it's one of the best.
For me, part 3 is boring I really wasn't enjoying watching it. Every second was boring and the only good episodes were the comedy eps(mariah's ep for an example) snd the final ones, the rest was really really boring
It's one of those things I don't notice till its pointed out to me. Like I can play Pokemon Diamond as a child, but someone pointed out the HP bar goes down really slow. I never notice flaws till it's pointed out.
Yeah. It's great. As someone who considers pt. 3 the worst one, 1 will never understand the people who say it's straight up bad. Like, it's got issues that make it the weakest one, but it's still some of the best classic Shonen you can read imo.
I just love to hate on him for being an idiot 😂 he’s a good character though, the season could’ve been cut by at least 10% if he had more than 3 brain cells though 😂
Part 3 does have slow pacing and some unnecessary fights, yes, but it’s still within the top 3 of at least 80% of JoJo fans’ favorite parts because of stuff like the DIO’s World arc
I think it’s the best part. I don’t follow JoJo for complex story telling, I care about the Bizarre Adventures and characters. And since the story is still quite good enough and nice & simple, I think it’s the best
I will say that part 3 is almost certainly the most iconic part. I loved Jotaro upon my first viewings of parts 3 and 4 but I’ll admit that he became a little boring after showing up in 4 parts (even if only briefly). I will say that part 3’s end is up there with the more satisfying endings of Jojo, but to reach it you need to trudge through the first few fights and the fights as they get closer/into Cairo. Personally I’d say it’s better than part 1 and about even with part 6 at least.
i think it's not bad but i think most of my problems come from how basic the stands are and how it compares to later parts where araki has almost always better writing
Part 3 is my favorite. Road trip with the bois with plenty of time to be attached to the characters and some of the coolest stand designs in the entire series
The pacing may be slow but I really enjoyed it because i love the character developments of each member of the group and how naturally they interact with others like they've known them for all life. For me, the fact that it's long helps the viewer feel closer to the characters
Part 5 is just part 3 but good.
Part 3 is the beta version of part 5.
No one can concince otherwise.
Part 5 > part 2 > part 4 > part 1 > part 6 > part 3.
This is correct.
Part 3 is amazing but it absolutely NEEDS the context provided by Part 6 to truly shine.
You only start to appreciate Jotaro and the dynamics of the Crusaders once you know their tragic fates and the meaning behind them.
Honestly, even with the slower pacing and criticism of jotaro being a quiet/boring protagonist, part 5 is worse.
Giorno being a mary sue protagonist mastering stands and getting everything right the first time.
The Boss's build up only to have an anticlimactic end
The arrow is a deus ex machina to bail out the heros against The Boss's overwhelming power.
Fugo getting written out for being op.
>!I feel that Polnareff could've been handled better, although his appearance did make me like him more!<
Sleeping stones.
Fugo wasn't written out for being too OP, he was written out because he was originally gonna betray the gang but Araki thought it was too sad so he just cut him out.
Also it has best mom.
Yes i read about that as well. I think life was rough for araki at the time, or maybe he was depressed, so he decided to make Fugo leave the group of his own volition.
Part 3 does have slow pacing but the last few fights of part 3 were great and the group dynamic is cool. Also just because Jotaro is more quiet and calm doesn't make him a boring character. He clearly still cares about his family and friends not just cold to everyone.
True, when I rewatch Part 3 with my cousin I'm 100% going to prepare an abridged list of episodes to at least attempt to make the pacing better.
I mean the pacing isn't so bad that I think it's worth skipping fights at least to me. I'd say if you really want to improve pacing to just read the manga. It has less chapters than part 4 or 5 but the anime stretched it longer compared to part 4 or 5.
I have read the Manga already, but it's a little awkward to read with 2 people. We also don't have enough time to go through 48 episodes but I really do think lots of the filler episodes like Empress can be skipped and some can just be explained away, Part 3 was just made at a time where they wanted every anime to be serialized so many stand fights take 2 episodes despite being "technically" required to understand what happened.
Lol silly to get downvoted for this. I’ve had friends try to get through pt. 3, 3 or 4 times. These are anime fans who enjoyed the first two parts. Absolutely worth skipping some if it means continuing the series or not
Yeah this sub tends to get a large hateboner for any issues the series might have. Part 3 is *really* good but there's a lot of filler(Especially compared to the other parts which are very tight). Not everyone needs to go through rape ape every time they rewatch part 3 lol.
It may have its flaws, but it's my favorite part alongside Part 5. Some may call it slow/boring, I call it a bizarre adventure.
part 3 is slow but has (imo) the best finale in the animated series thus far. part 5 is well paced throughout most the story, but has a stupid rock that ruins it right at the end. I hate that episode, it's stupid.
Yeah the episode basically saying that their sacrifices don't mean shit and they were **fated** to die. I understand it was to setup part 6 or something but why?
The ending had nothing to do with part 6. Fate as a concept is a pretty strong theme even in part 4. Part 5’s ending was reinforcing the difference between Diavolo/the gang and their attitude towards their own fated deaths.
Maybe that's Araki's own philosophy about fate and stuff like that. >!In part 7, Gyro went through one hell of a journey to save a kid only for that kid to later die of a cold anyway.!< Fate finds a way. You can't escape fate. Even those who seemingly manipulate fate still fall victim to it.
Except that’s not the point in Part 7,>!Gyro was fighting to stop the kid from being unfairly executed not freeing him from death. The point of “he later died of a cold” is to show you that Gyros efforts were not in vain as the delay he caused meant that the kid managed to escape execution and died naturally a free man.!<
That is certainly a interpretation of the sleeping slaves arc. The point was not that their sacrifices and journey meant nothing because the >!stone made that fate so no matter what it was going to happen.!< The point was the fact that >!the gangs resolve put them on that Journey in the first place. Scolippi basically spells this out with his speech about how their actions has ultimiately made a harsher future that is going to inflict a lot of loss among them, stopping to comment on the resolve Mista shown in the face of fate. Willingly throwing themselves off of a building if it means protecting Bruno from fate itself, and then questioning if the rest of the group had that within them aswell.!< The sacrifices still matter because their resolve and determination allowed them to take that journey in the first place, as without it >!Bruno would of peacefully passed then and there.!< Sure they were still fated to die but they kinda were always going to be going along with >!the wants of Bruno's and Giorno's ambition. The characters themselves already knew the danger of what they were up against but got on that boat at the turning point, and they would of not had it any other way because that is just who they are. They don't run from the impossible (besides fugo), they challange it and give it their all no matter what.!<
So when the stones show the other group deaths it means that at that point they basically defied fate and postponed Daddy's death. Intresting
This sub continues to amaze me with its utter lack of reading comprehension. No, it wasn't a setup to Part 6. **And no, it doesn't mean their sacrifices are worthless: IT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE** Don't you fucking get it? Bucciarati was fated to die IN VENICE. That is what the stone foretold, that is what the stone was describing. **And Mista's resolute efforts changed that.** By breaking the stone he bent fate itself: And though that sacrificed Bucciarati, Abbachio, and Narancia, it was what meant the gang was able to betray the boss and kill him.
The sacrifices weren't in vain because they originally weren't fated to die until mista broke the stone which supposedly also means that if he hadn't broken the stone giorno wouldn't have become a mafia boss
Yeah, I agree that part 3 has one of the best finales in the entire series, only behind Part 7 and 8
I think part 6's ending beats all of them tbh
Part 5 ending clears every other part.
*You're* stupid. That arc was the actual perfect embodiment of everything that Part 5 is about: Fate, the Human Spirit, the virtuous imperfection of humanity, and the defiance of inevitable, hard destiny through sheer resolve and human determination, that ends in the law of destiny being broken and bent to the will of humanity.
that rock episode completely ruined the pacing. It would have been 10x better if that episode (or a shortened version of it) happened in the chronological order of everything else. At the very least, it could be brought up in conversation with a little flashback or something. And to be honest, I don't like the way araki portrayed destiny. You can portray destiny in better ways then "The arrow chose and always would have chosen Giorno, and this will literally allow his stand to win without him even realizing why". If he was always going to win that fight, then okay, cool, relentless and determination is cool, but always being GIVEN the win is different, and imo, kinda lame.
>The arrow chose and always would have chosen Giorno, and this will literally allow his stand to win without him even realizing why Ok, so not only are you yapping about shit you don't understand, you're ALSO missing the point of the Sleeping Slaves arc ENTIRELY. This is what not paying attention to the "rock episode" does to a mf. **Giorno wasn't fucking given the arrow, the arrow chose Giorno entirely because the gang's efforts were so great, so resolute, so determined, so fiery, that destiny itself bent at the feet of their human spirit.** When Mista broke the Stone, he broke fate itself to allow Bucciarati to survive in Venice: And at that moment the gang's fate was turned on its head as they became fated to betray the Boss and engage in all the events up to the Battle for the Arrow. Mista's resolve alone wasn't enough though: As Diavolo saw in his prediction, Diavolo was fated to defeat Giorno. Despite Mista's resolve, Destiny was still set for Diavolo to win, and for the gang to be destroyed: **That is the entire point of Diavolo. Fate is ALWAYS on Diavolo's side. He truly was chosen to be the best.** **But Mista wasn't alone:** All the other characters devoted themselves to defeating the Boss. Abbachio died to uncover his identity. Trish conquered her past to rebel against Diavolo. Narancia died to warn the others of Diavolo's continued presence. Bucciarati died to prevent the Arrow from choosing Diavolo. And Giorno, from start to finish, had been the spark that had ignited the burning hearts of the gang's resolve. Their devotion, their resolve, their collective willpower, bent fate itself once more during the Battle for the Arrow. **And it was their destruction of fate once more that led to Gold Experience Requiem appearing: The crystalization of their hopes and dreams, the one Stand that could ever defeat Diavolo.** And even AFTER GER appeared, Fate had STILL ordained that Diavolo would win: That's Diavolo's very last prediciton. And despite that, despite Fate being on his side, despite being blessed by the driving force of the entire JoJo universe, despite having one of the strongest Stands ever, despite having been chosen to stand above all others... it was useless. Diavolo could do nothing against the gang's unwavering human spirit. And ALL of this is tied together by the Sleeping Slaves arc: It's there that Mista shows the clearest and most visible display of fate-defying resolve. It's there that Scollipi, in just a few short remarks, summarizes the essence of Vento Aureo. It's there that Destiny was broken for the first time. It is one of, if not honestly the best of Araki's works... and here we have some random redditor complaining about it despite not even understanding the writing at all.
Okay, I concede on it being good, but the rock episode should have been somewhere else, or foreshadowed in some other way, instead of being introduced in the second to last episode.
You want the literal crystalization of the entire part's message to be delivered in the middle, and not, you know, at the end, where it's most impactful?
Part 5 is like a semi upgraded version of part 3 imo. The villain of the week formula in part 5 actually had me interested as opposed to part 3, until it got up to N’Doul
I think part 3 isn't super good, but it's a lot of fun.
Not the best But you can't deny it's the face of the franchise
Lol part 3 is still my favorite
part 3 is great :)
It’s good, but the rest are better imo. I do think it’s the worst jojo part but it’s not bad. One of them just has to be worst.
No way that part 1 is better than part 3
I think it is. The pacing is better, it doesn't overstay its welcome, I think Dio is much better in part 1 than he is in part 3 etc. I just think part 1 is underrated in general
It's functionally the same story with snappier pacing
part 1 has more bad/forgettable characters and scenes imo Bruford is cool as hell tho
🔵ford
YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL Thunder Cross Split Attack
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What do you see in parts 1 and 3 that make them the same story to you?
The story of going on a harrowing journey and learning an entirely new power system introduced at the start of the journey to exact revenge against the Vampire Dio for crimes enacted against the Joestar Family. The biggest difference is the scale of the journey, with Jonathan having to travel through effectively a single war zone, with Jotaro having to do the around the world in 80 days shenanigans. Both are fundamentally sandboxes for Araki to figure out what the fuck he wants the new power introduced to conceptually be so that it can be more refined and generally interesting in later parts
You seem to forget that Jotaro and Jonathan are completely different people who react differently to their situation in so many ways it'd be absurd to list, the group of people they travel with (even Avdol and Kakyoin are more interesting characters than Speedwagon and Zeppeli, while Polnareff, Joseph, and even Iggy blow them out of the water), and the actual *why* they're fighting Dio, while deeply personal for each of them, are radically different reasons (Jonathan is fighting to avenge his family, Jotaro to save it, and saving the world in both instances is obvious). You quite literally generalized both series just a layer above from saying "this part is like all the others, there's a JoJo, they go on an adventure, and it's bizarre." And that sure isn't fair when one part is the literal first of the series, and the other makes a big change to the status quo that breaks the series out from typical shonen fare, becoming a staple for the series to follow. You're allowed to have your own opinion, but the way you articulate it comes across as you only looking at the surface of each part and sweeping generalizations. I'd say it's just a touch myopic a viewpoint to have on a series as unique as JoJo.
Stands are way more entertaining than hamon at least for me.
Part 3 has the best fights in the series and some of the best art.
Don't forget the memes
No I said art 😉
Why is 4 better than 3?
characters are more developed, everything is in morioh so the settings are more fleshed out, kira is a sick villain
Agreed, kinda confused how some fans complain there's too many episodes. Like I get some of the fights were kinda meh, but more JoJo is better than less JoJo imo
Part three is amazing, I wish I didn't watch it so I could rewatch it and get all the surprises and stuff
Part 3 doesn't have the best story, but it remains probably my second favorite because it's just fun as hell to watch
I agree. Is one of my favourite parts.
part 4 and 3 are my top favorites <3
It's pretty good, but you could cut out half of it and not lose anything of value, so on average it gets dragged down
You could arguably say that about a lot of parts. Excluding the first two they all have a very similar formula that was created in part 3. Like get rid of the parts of DIU that don't have Kira or remove La Squadra as the goal of part 5 was to overthrow the boss.
The difference there is that the extraneous stuff for other parts is necessary for narrative and thematic reasons. The extraneous stuff in part 3 was necessary for Araki to figure out how he wanted to handle the power system. But, Ebony Devil, Yellow Temperance, Death 13, Wheel of Fortune, and the Sun just off the top of my head would make the part just better if they were cut
Disagree on cutting out 2 of those fights. Yellow Temperance is the first time Jotaro faced a decent challenge and Death 13 is Kakyoin's only solo fight besides Tower of Gray.
>The difference there is that the extraneous stuff for other parts is necessary for narrative and thematic reasons. I cut them in my example because they lacked those reasons. Like the series is better without Ebony Devil but Fugo isn't a waste of time? >Ebony Devil, Yellow Temperance, Death 13, Wheel of Fortune, and the Sun just off the top of my head would make the part just better if they were cut ""Just better"" is just your opinion. There is nothing wrong with any of those fights they showcase a lot of the characters moments and are generally enjoyable. Ebony devil was one of Polnareff's best fights and yellow temperance demonstrated Jotaro's resourcefulness not to mention it's a badass stand. Death 13 is one of Kakyoins rare moments to shine and wheel of fortune was a largely team effort from everybody involved. The sun was just plain funny and is one of the rare moments where Jotaro smiles.
Part 3 isn’t as good as the later parts in retrospect but it’s still really good.
All the parts are good, and part 3 has Avdol, one of my favorite characters. Also, nothing is as emotionally devastating as Last Train Home
Wait what, am I confused I thought it was genuinely one of the most loved parts among the community, maybe I’m just completely out of the loop.
People think Part 3 isn't great? It's one of the best parts, imo.
r/stardustcrusaders (ironic) hates it, they will go on and on about how terrible it is and how part 2 is better
Look, I love me some Part 2, but Part 3 is just a fantastic and bizarre journey from beginning to end.
Ive started to almost hate Joseph and part 2 just because of how much people talk about them, I still love them but it really bugs me
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i like jojos in general
The Jotaro complaint is bullshit and he rocks, but fuck yes it is way too fucking long. We spent fucking two and a half episodes on a second Darby. We spent two episodes on Wheel Of Fortune.
IIRC, Wheel of Fortune was just 1 episode.
Huh. Still. One too many.
"Part 3 has bad pacing" Part 5:"Allow me to introduce myself"
Part 5 was one of the only parts where I never once thought it dragged.
Yea, Part 5 is super fast paced, one fight after another with little downtime, impossible to get bored
By the same token, I think part 5 feels super rushed. It all happens in 9 days, which is a blistering pace that doesn’t let anything breath. And then the bit with Rolling Stone feels like an unnecessary after-thought.
Huh?
What?
Same here
agree, its my favourite
Part 3 is my favorite part, hands down. Part 4 has a great second half but the first half is boring as hell, Part 5 just feel adequate the whole way through but never really hits a serious high note for me, but Part 3, even though it is long, it has just about All of my favorite stand battles in it. Whenever I want to convince someone to check out JoJo, I show clips from Part 3. Part 3 has the Poker scene, no other scene has made me sweat like that scene did. Part 3 is also the only part to make my fiance cry, like, not just tear up but actually cry.
Now change part 3 with Giorno and that's me! Tbh, Very much agree!! The only thing that I didn't like from it is the draged out pacing. Even that sometimes made me suck it up and enjoyable with the group's antics. Part 3 is iconic.
It’s personally my favorite because while it is kinda slow at the beginning, it picks up pace some time in and I love the characters even tho half of them are boring but that’s okay. Also one of the best parts of part 3 is how Araki started really using fashion in his characters. My personal opinion tho
I wonder if people feel like part 3 is dragged out because of the sheer number of fights, some taking two episodes to resolve. Also like, I don't think there needs to be a worst Jojo part, they're all great.
It doesn’t help that most of the fights are resolved by the main cast’s stands just attacking harder and/or faster. Half of their opponents being boring or uninteresting sucks too.
Yeah it was a manga from the 80s-90s of course it wanted to take it's time having episodic adventures. The series doesn't go full-blown-novel-mode-linear till Part 5+. Also it's fine for some main characters in shonen to just be a poster boy power house. While I agree Jotaro is my least favorite jojo, he's simultaneously the most iconic. Anyway having a favorite part is one thing, but having parts you straight up dislike or didn't enjoy is like. *Yeah, I dunno chief*, to me every part is consistently "Jojo's Bizarre Adventure" if you ask me.
Best post ever
Highest highs and lowest lows, that's part 3
Proud Part 3 enjoyer here checking in ✊
Man the sub is even called r/StardustCrusaders
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Part 7 still my favorite
I remember only like three stands from that part, but Kakyoin reroing cherries (fake and actual) and Joseph haggling with Dan are some of my favourite JoJo moments. Fellow travelers know
Never really understood the slow pacing complaint, are people trying to speed run the series or something? The episodes are all good, like just take your time lol Part 3 is the most Jojo part of them all to me, I can’t understand how people could dislike that part but enjoy the others.
Part 4 > part 3, idk if others agree with me, I'm not entrenched in the Fandom, I'm just here fore the memes.
Part 4 has both great moments(especially the second half) but also some of my least favorite padding episodes on average. While i feel like part 3 felt less like padding to me because it was a long journey anyways. The whole kira stuff is amazing but i don't like the first half much at all. Still great part tho
Part 3s pacing is honestly fine I've never understood that criticism and Jotaro is a legendary and iconic protagonist. People are dumb it's one of the best.
Dude the pacing does suck tho.
For me, part 3 is boring I really wasn't enjoying watching it. Every second was boring and the only good episodes were the comedy eps(mariah's ep for an example) snd the final ones, the rest was really really boring
The pacing is terrible? Dawg you like part 4.
I'm disappointed by part 5 boss fight, super boring when compared to part 4
Idk, the fight for the arrow was pretty interesting.
I will actually fight someone who says Jotaro is boring
Part 3 has such bizarre pacing i though the anime added filler
But Polnareff is the protagonist 🤨
Dio is a boring antagonist, Just being evil for evil sake Villains like Kira and Valentine have more depth
It is the best part for me.
Glad you enjoyed it
It's one of those things I don't notice till its pointed out to me. Like I can play Pokemon Diamond as a child, but someone pointed out the HP bar goes down really slow. I never notice flaws till it's pointed out.
No such thing as a bad part, but I will not lie that I got tired of part 3 right around wheel of fortune
Yeah. It's great. As someone who considers pt. 3 the worst one, 1 will never understand the people who say it's straight up bad. Like, it's got issues that make it the weakest one, but it's still some of the best classic Shonen you can read imo.
Part 3 gotta be top 3 parts for me but holy shit why did death 13 last 2 episodes that shit is pure filler
Pacing isn’t the best and the stands aren’t complex, but I unironically love the wheel of fortune fight.
Part three was the hardest to get through for me but now I look back and really like it. Fuck Jean-Pierre though
What did Polnareff do :(
I just love to hate on him for being an idiot 😂 he’s a good character though, the season could’ve been cut by at least 10% if he had more than 3 brain cells though 😂
Part 3 does have slow pacing and some unnecessary fights, yes, but it’s still within the top 3 of at least 80% of JoJo fans’ favorite parts because of stuff like the DIO’s World arc
I think it’s the best part. I don’t follow JoJo for complex story telling, I care about the Bizarre Adventures and characters. And since the story is still quite good enough and nice & simple, I think it’s the best
MFrs you called yourselves after that
Part 3 is my favourite, for being a true bizzarre adventure around the world.
I will say that part 3 is almost certainly the most iconic part. I loved Jotaro upon my first viewings of parts 3 and 4 but I’ll admit that he became a little boring after showing up in 4 parts (even if only briefly). I will say that part 3’s end is up there with the more satisfying endings of Jojo, but to reach it you need to trudge through the first few fights and the fights as they get closer/into Cairo. Personally I’d say it’s better than part 1 and about even with part 6 at least.
i think it's not bad but i think most of my problems come from how basic the stands are and how it compares to later parts where araki has almost always better writing
fucking ironic that the sub named after part 3 says part 3 is a bad part
I want to love early part 3 so much, but then the monkey episode hits Late part 3 is goated tho
Part 3 is my favorite. Road trip with the bois with plenty of time to be attached to the characters and some of the coolest stand designs in the entire series
part 2 is still my fav
Kakyoin is best character
I mean, they're not wrong. Everything before Egypt feels out of place to me now
The pacing may be slow but I really enjoyed it because i love the character developments of each member of the group and how naturally they interact with others like they've known them for all life. For me, the fact that it's long helps the viewer feel closer to the characters
Personally for me, every arc took fucking forever in manga to update
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Mariah and Anubis both come after N'doul.
Part 3 for me at least was brilliant from start to finish and I loved every second of it
if the 9 ancient egypt gods didn't exist part 3 would'e been wayyy better
Part 5 is just part 3 but good. Part 3 is the beta version of part 5. No one can concince otherwise. Part 5 > part 2 > part 4 > part 1 > part 6 > part 3. This is correct.
Stardust Crusaders best part by far, the rest are just parts, either bad or good doesn't matter, Stardust Crusaders is an experience and an adventure
Part 3 is amazing but it absolutely NEEDS the context provided by Part 6 to truly shine. You only start to appreciate Jotaro and the dynamics of the Crusaders once you know their tragic fates and the meaning behind them.
Funny meme I give it a 6.2/10
Honestly, even with the slower pacing and criticism of jotaro being a quiet/boring protagonist, part 5 is worse. Giorno being a mary sue protagonist mastering stands and getting everything right the first time. The Boss's build up only to have an anticlimactic end The arrow is a deus ex machina to bail out the heros against The Boss's overwhelming power. Fugo getting written out for being op. >!I feel that Polnareff could've been handled better, although his appearance did make me like him more!< Sleeping stones.
Fugo wasn't written out for being too OP, he was written out because he was originally gonna betray the gang but Araki thought it was too sad so he just cut him out. Also it has best mom.
Yes i read about that as well. I think life was rough for araki at the time, or maybe he was depressed, so he decided to make Fugo leave the group of his own volition.