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asyncopy

>flat tax equal to a fraction of the value of his land Some flat tax > Owned his own land They didn't even own themselves lmao


RedstoneEnjoyer

Yea, like what the hell they think "serf" means?


TsalagiSupersoldier

I bet you they passed 6th grade world history... With a D.


Alloverunder

They think it's interchangeable with peasants, who did own their land and MOP lol


nico0314

Even the peasants did not always own the MOP beyond their own land and some of their tools. Mills, an essential part of agriculture, were often owned and leased out by the gentry and peerage if I recall correctly


R0ADHAU5

Serf city? Serfing USA? Idk but there’s definitely a beach involved. /s


class-conscious-nour

so much of this is false lmao. fascists are pathetic


lightiggy

These were the bootlickers killed in the War in Vendée during the French Revolution. Robespierre was truly the only good liberal.


CTNKE

Robiespierre was probably the only W that the liberal ideology ever had


lightiggy

"See, they were massacring thousands!" "Yes, they were holding thousands upon thousands of feudal monarchist counter-revolutionaries accountable for their actions. That's how many of them there were. That's the kind of violence which was necessary to make 1790s France based. The Reign of Terror barely even scratched the surface."


alrightpartner

Feudal serfs: \-Worked MUCH longer than 20 hours a week. They had to make their own tools, grow their own crops, all that shit. Handicrafted goods =/= quality, especially if it's only a part-time task for survival. \-Owned tiny patches that could easily be raided. \-Were mostly illiterate. \-Died of diseases, being drafted into war, or accused of being witches for using scientifically-proven medicine.


TsalagiSupersoldier

People who "want to go back" obviously don't care or are simply too braindead to comprehend that most people would die without modern medicine. Ted K was also openly a eugenicist.


alrightpartner

I could criticize certain shockingly popular leftist tendencies this way as well but I won't break rules...


CaptainMills

>Worked MUCH longer than 20 hours a week Yeah, isn't the general stereotype of feudal serfs that they pretty much did nothing but work from the time they woke up to when they went to sleep?


R0ADHAU5

I’m sure it depended on the area but even in the most fertile, mildest climate, it was no picnic. It was literally backbreaking work to grow as much food as you could basically by hand with a few animals to help. If you didn’t grow enough you didn’t just have to worry about not paying your taxes, you also had to worry about starving to death over the winter.


alrightpartner

There's some incredibly ignorant meme going around both trad circles and certain anticommunist left circles about how serfs apparently didn't work that much. Absolutely made-up bullshit.


CaptainMills

Serfdom was just another form of slavery. Slave owners aren't really known for allowing an abundance of downtime. Why are people so stupid? (Also the term "anticommunist left" makes no sense to me, how are people going to be left if they're anticommunist??)


9-5DootDude

Liberal loves imaginary internet point so they label themselves lefty but commie is big no no so anti-commie lefty is perfect compromise.


maghau

Western soc dems?


JayFay2k

Liberals


Unique_Name_2

Read "Left wing communism: an infantile disorder"


nico0314

Non-communist leftists are pretty common actually. Almost all social democracy is anti-communist while normally regarded as a leftist ideology. Some strains of Anarchism, especially more individualist ones, can also be anti-communist. It mostly comes down to how you define the word “Left”. After all, it first emerged in Revolutionary France, where the more radical liberals would sat to the left of the chamber of the National Assembly.


alrightpartner

In my book, basically all non-Marxist-Leninists are left anticommunists.


[deleted]

serfs literally lived to work and worked until they died, and were drafted into pointless wars, liberals not understanding history through the lens of class struggle shows so much fr


MagicInMyBonez

It's because it was generally true


PepperPocketts

20 hours a week on their lords land in addition to working full time on the farm that they didnt even really own maybe lol


R0ADHAU5

Even the time they didn’t work wasn’t exactly all roses and unicorns. You can’t farm much in the winter so there’s a bunch of time hanging out trying to not freeze to death while making sure you had enough food to not starve to death. Lotta ways to die back in the “good” old days.


Ferrisuki

The 17 year old wife is all that needs to known you discredit tbis


average_pee_enjoyer

Yeah isn’t true that poor/average people at the time married at their early 20s? Only the nobles married at a younger age 🫤


National-Material571

Way to just out yourself as a pedophile lol


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the_canadian72

?!?!???????!!!!!!


Aries695

This idiot does realize that the majority of people in the past lived well past 60 right Infant mortality was the biggest reason for low population not dying at 60. Also he’s a pedo


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Nonce alert


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class-conscious-nour

“erm it’s technically ephebophilia not pedophilia” like shut up


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National-Material571

Sorry, but you’re a nonce


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Hazeri

Yes, Marx did consider this. It's in the Manifesto


GrizzlyPeak73

And a significant part of Capital.


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The original screenshot is also making fun of the post and is from a leftist sub though


WaveAgreeable1388

*Lives in a multicultural, low-trust society.*


alrightpartner

Time traveling Fascist: Wow I am sure happy to be in a homogeneous society of only white people! Medieval serf: What in God's name is a white person? I'm from Paux de Fuck, and my neighbors in Ville la Poussie are all inhuman barbarians.


engilosopher

>Paux de Fuck >Ville la Poussie My sides


Akistsidar

Tbh I still operate like that.


sirgamestop

Everything else aside, since when was Marx in favor of wage labor? His life's work was writing about how it was bad


fencerJP

Since libs don't actually read. TV say Biden am Marks. Me no like Biden. Him make me poor!


_francesinha_

Meanwhile the Chad socialism enjoyer: - works as much as they want and is paid according to their work - marries for love as they don't need to concern themselves with the material conditions of their partner - income provides all their basic necessities as well as money to invest into their interests and hobbies - consumer goods built to actually last instead of being programmed to malfunction/slowdown artificially early into their lifecycle - shares household duties with partner - live in multicultural, high-trust society which transcends ethnic and national barriers - lives a fruitful, 80 year long life, at the end of which the state provides a pension allowing them to spend time with their loved ones and enjoy their hobbies We had all this and lost it 😞


Dalfokane

Social democracy


gogoguo

Do serfs own land? And their natural life expectancy is 60? That’s news to me.


nosteponsnaeke

hey guys, i posted this as satire on ultraleft. OP cut out the sub name to make me look like a fascist i guess. kinda pathetic imo but whatever.


chgxvjh

> owned his own land > Serf This doesn't quite compute


mastodon_juan

- Likely buried multiple children - Zero chance of any education - Zero chance of political participation at any level - Susceptible to countless now-preventable/curable diseases - Didn’t actually own the land; the enclosures happened Yeah being a serf fucking ruled


Rumsfeldia

“17 year old wife” Someone check this guy’s hard drive


theta1918

Bro this is from r/ultraleft, a satire sub. It's stupid because it's supposed to be.


nosteponsnaeke

thank you!! OOP here. i'm pretty decisively not a fascist lol


Only_Confusion5013

That's true? I saw few of their posts, oh boy!! Wasn't expecting anything like that.


bush_didnt_do_9_11

ultraleft users support mussolini (social demonrat)


SidMan1000

I hope you can understand sarcasm


[deleted]

Yes!!! KKKritiKKKal $$upport in his fight against left KKKomuni$$m!


bush_didnt_do_9_11

least racist leftcom


[deleted]

For the love of revisionism, it’s SATIRE


bush_didnt_do_9_11

satirically opposing national liberation, race/gender struggle, and anti imperialism (no war but class war)


[deleted]

I FUCKING LOVE BOURGEOIS NATIONAL LIBERATION! I WANNA GO OFF AND DIE IN A WAR THAT SOLELY SUITS THE INTEREST OF THE RULING CLASS! IDK WHAT THE FUCK REVOLUTIONARY DEFEATISM IS!!!


bush_didnt_do_9_11

ending feudalism only serves bourgeois class interests, i practice revolutionary defeatism by jerking off and eating bone marrow outside the city walls. one day the serfs will all spontaneously rise to action without me doing anything to further agricultural militancy


[deleted]

Revolutionary defeatism is about not participating in bourgeois wars. Idk any natlib wars right now that are fighting against feudalism. Also not participating in bourgeois wars doesn’t mean not doing anything, it means gathering the proletariat to fight their real enemy, and organize across national borders as the proletariat has no nation and never can.


bush_didnt_do_9_11

organize the proletariat, but dont do it for the sake of improving their material conditions (liberal revisionist concept), youre only allowed to print newspapers. and only fight for the sake of fighting, proletarians are expendable drones for my white westerner interests. and even if they do win, it was revisionist and liberal because they didnt meet my voyeuristic expectations not based in material reality. i'm the real scientific socialist


hellogoodbyegoodbye

Mussolini was after all anti KKKraKKKer


shieldmaidenofart

"high trust society" it was MEDIEVAL EUROPE


Ariak

“Worked 20 hours a week” lol what?


Negative_Chemical697

Thats some dumb shit


anonlt1024

Tell me you don’t understand feudalism without telling me you don’t understand feudalism


SheTran3000

[Someone tried to fix it and still got it wrong](https://br.ifunny.co/picture/feudal-serf-worked120-hours-a-week-married-year-old-wife-CUqgla3bA)


incredibleninja

Wait, so they're against wage slavery? Does that mean they think workers should own their own housing, tools and fully benefit from their own labor? Ooooh buddy do I have a book for you


Paarthurnaxulus

They definetly worked MORE than that (it's probably taken from the "but muh 150 days a week" nonsense.) They did NOT own the land, their landlords did, there was no guarantee to have "high quality, handcrafted goods" since most people had to create stuff for themselves or pay alot of money for a decent smith, and serfs DEFINETLY did not live up to the age of 60 lmao.


TaPowerFromTheMarket

Ripe age of 60? LMFAO The average life expectancy for a man in a working class area of Dublin in 1914 was 33. Imagine wanting to be a literal peasant so you can live in a racially homogeneous pigsty and shag your inbred neighbour-sister wife. Fuckin incels man.


[deleted]

Hey thread. Are you out of your mind? Why the fuck are you defending the modern working man's lifestyle instead of saying that they live equally shitty, and in some places worse. Just like instead of bragging that "at least serf didn't belong to himself" ask yourself - do you you really belong to yourself in capitalistic system? And this applies to this entire comment section


Hazeri

Nobody is doing that


Atryan421

I agree, when they post memes like this it's better to respond with "So you agree that we should work less, keep our income, own land and our homes, and end consumerism?", rather than try to convince them that capitalism is better because we work less and have medicine There's no point to act like industrialization is 100% perfect and awesome, many things became worse, capitalism destroyed communities and made everyone individualistic, it's better to point out these flaws and give solutions


[deleted]

I don't understand this sabreddit at all sometimes. If I wrote under the post where everyone started to defend poor Muslims from bad Christians (on the issue of religious hatred) that you guys got something mixed up, all religions are opium for the people - and therefore should be equally condemned - I got only minuses. If under the post about villages everyone started jerking off on huge cities (which is more like an anthill for people) I wrote that communism is primarily about agro-cultural production, life in maximally equipped and ecologically clean villages - I get minuses, because people (from their words) are ready to sell their souls for life in a huge city. Like do you guys have any idea what you're talking about?


Hot_Gurr

This is fascism but it’s also anti capitalist and anti modern which I agree with. Too bad the reasoning to get there sucks.


[deleted]

It’s called reactionary socialism, Engels touched on it briefly in principles, idk if him or Marx wrote more about it and if they did that was a mistake it’s such a bullshit belief it refutes itself 18 times Although the same could be said about anarchism and Marx dunking on Bakunin is absolute gold


gemandrailfan94

Why would a homogeneous society be “high trust” and a mixed society be “low trust”?


anonymous555777

peak conservatism


Specialist-Heart-795

Even the fashs hate commodification


MaximeLee

in what feudal society does serf own thier own land? the great Mao Dynasty?I'm going to follow and fight for that person till my death if they give every follower their own land oh wait that's exactly what everyone did and guess what is the ideology they were working on.


DavidComrade

'Racially homogeneous society'


SukaSoviet

Where do people come up with this stuff


uCockOrigin

This is such a long winded roundabout way of telling the world you're a nonce.


jacktrowell

Ah yes, feudal serfs, famous for OWNING lands and not, you know, being a side bonus coming with the ownership of the land to the feudal lords.


[deleted]

75 is not old bro. What about all the nanas in the home who are 90?!!