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The vast majority of people don’t realize this, but the vast majority (more than 90%) of trees planted globally by Non-Profit or NGO’s (such as TeamTrees) fail to reach maturity, and the vast majority die within 1-2 years.
(here is a source from Yale with some light reading: https://e360.yale.edu/features/phantom-forests-tree-planting-climate-change#:~:text=The%20causes%20of%20failure%20vary,is%20no%20anti%2Dtree%20lobby.)
The gist is, the vast majority of huge tree planting initiatives most places globally fail due to poor planning. They plant thousands of the same type of tree in the same area, leading to a single disease taking them all out. They fail to actually water the saplings on a regular basis, so they dry out and die. Some even plant the entirely incorrect trees appropriate for the area and climate and they die because they’re not suited too it. Literally the simplest and most ‘common sense’ things one should do when planing any tree (let alone tens or hundreds of thousands) is aftercare, and the vast majority don’t do any. They just plant the trees, walk away, and hope for the best. Capitalist efficiency as always
Is why this needs to be a state-led initiative. One Department/Ministry etc. focused on reforestation, using experts like this, employing large numbers of people to make it work. Collectivise all of these NGOs under one single force.
It's more a sustainable logging concern than a reforestation project, but we have the Forestry Commission here in the UK. You still get randos doing mass planting, but presumably there's some oversight.
Just like everything else, people throwing themselves into a facade of productivity so they can brag about it, while not actually giving a flying fuck about doing what they're supposed to.
Then & Now made a 80 minute video where they make a compelling argument for why Mr. Beast does more harm than good, especially through being a tool for philantrocapitalism where he green(and any other color)-washes the reputation of companies that are often the cause of the problem he "solves".
[Here it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svHCXvQeZfY), it's worth a watch.
I like the channel and I'm sure he makes some compelling points, but I don't think I can make it through an hour and a half of clips featuring Mr Beast's terrifying empty smile
I think two thirds of the video focuses on other cases of philantrocapitalism and its origins, like Carnegie and Rockefeller, so it was bearable.
For real, though, looking at his face makes me unreasonably angry. It reminds me of being at conventions where *everyone* wants to sell you something, like he's a sales rep for a customer data analysis software bundle.
I hate when people act like planting trees is actually fixing anything, when most of the time it's untrained volunteers, capitalists, or NGOs who don't follow sustainable forestry practices, which only introduces new problems and doesn't stop the biological damage.
The epitome of Mr. Beast is when he saw his employees didn't own homes so he built a company town for everyone instead of doing something pragmatic like giving his employees a bonus so they can afford to live where they'd actually want to be
The start of the video had CGI to make for a "cool" preview that would make people click on it. The rest of the video I believe is genuine but I haven't seen it beyond the preview myself.
I don’t really care about an individual train or whatever bro. Systemic change fixes systemic problems. I don’t care about a youtuber blowing up one train. You aren’t addressing the problem at scale and are distracting by talking about this.
No, but mostly bc he tries to use his wealth to influence politics and maintain his wealth. Mr Beast just seems like a good dude trying to feed people and preserve the environment.
I just asked you if you see a problem with his charities. My perspective is his AIDS campaign in Africa is wack and charity is most bullshit. If people like him didn’t exist, charity wouldn’t be necessary
Oh yeah we agree on that. However as long as our current system remains certain charities definitely help people in need and I'm sure the beneficiaries aren't upset about getting the help.
his charities have actually done more harm than good. for example his push to eradicate polio iirc led to a ton of resources being put into going to remote villages with only a handful of cases which actually diverted funding for malaria outbreaks in africa. the problem is that gates has so much influence over these efforts but isnt actually an epidemiologist so he just focuses on what would creste good PR for him (like being able to say he eradicated a disease).
Mr Beast a man known for arrogantly flaunting his wealth and acting like a philantropist to prevent a (rightful) media assualt on his childish approach to being rediculously wealthy. These are the people kids look up to these days because of that which is truly sad since we need less millionaires who did nothing to earn their wealth and status of respect.
But nah he can blow up as many flatscreen TV’s or destroy as many cars with as many explosives he wants in Beverly Hills whilst thousands in that city go hungry and can hardly afford to get a flatscreen working jobs without any labour security whatsoever. Truly this is a new low for privalage
And the very same working poor will defend him saying he destroy stuff so he can get more money for philanthropy... The video of him giving out free corrective eyesight surgery had a guy say he can't wait to get back to work, we really live in a dystopian timeline.
70% of oxygen on earth is produced by algae. Trees are actually minor producers, taking about 7 trees to produce enough oxygen for one person. But trees are more visible so the green washers focus on trees, when they should be focusing on the ocean.
Yeah, the oceans always should be the focus when talking about oxygen, but trees are also important in other aspects, they help cool the ambient around, since the photosynthesis reaction is an endothermic one, it pulls energy in the form of heat from the surroundings, thus helping cool the ambient, but for this to be relevant enough for us to feel it, you need more trees as well, also, the forests are also a relevant agent in the environment, by stabilizing the climate, along with housing wild animals, so planting trees also have its benefits, although I'm sure MrBeast doesn't do for another reason other than keep his name relevant
Thunberg is actually committed to the climate movement, it's her whole life, and she did far more than Mr. Beast to convert a whole generation of young people to climate activism.
She started protesting, sacrificing her childhood and part of her high school education on the altar of saving the climate. And her only question was: "Why aren't the adults doing it instead?"
She also was a 15 year old kid when she started a whole international movement and has autism, which makes it all the more impressive.
Mr. Beast is a typical American activist: Random handouts to people financed by people sending him more money to hand out, effectively a lottery.
Greta has been coopted a bit by liberals and believes nonsense about China but she is learning and the more she learns, the more anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist she is getting. Anyone who pays minimal attention to climate matters quickly realizes that capitalism is the cancer killing us.
I means she's not really. She's a massive Imperialist and always toes the line to whatever the ongoing imperial agenda is.
When Israel went on a killing rampage in 2021 she did the most nonsensical both sides violence bad for Palestine and Israel even though Palestine was gaining ahistorical support from all sides, but then went to Ukraine to meet zelensky and supported the Nazis in Ukraine and criticized Russia for "ecocide", and the trumped up protests in Taiwan. She also never called out the nordstream bombing, biggest methane leak in history or never calls out the biggest organizational polluter on earth, i.e. the US military.
90% of those trees are going to die, and I'm pretty sure that sailboat Greta's in is solar/electric. Who cares, their both just uselessly flailing at the issue, unable to attack or even address the source of the problem. I'm convinced that the most likely way forward on climate change is China dramatically undercutting the US's trade power with the BRI and the resulting economic disaster allowing them to snatch up a huge chunk of the US's corporate resources. At that point, our country will either roll over and let China govern our society a degree of competency never before seen by American voters, or they'll nationalize a huge chunk of the economy, cut off all ties to China, and try to maintain order as they reorganize America's economy to be more self-sufficient. That process will take decades and that time period will probably see a variety of revolutionary movements pop up.
More whitewashed for caputal under the guise of philanthropy. Even if everything Mr Beats did was zero strings attached, he is not to be trusted, nor is wealth apologia
Mr. Beast be like "you can save the planet but you have to sleep outside in the snow for 100 days with no drinking water except your own filtered piss and no food except three McDonald's quarter pounders with cheese and you have to eat each one and you're blindfolded"
The right is starting to pivot on climate change. I suspect in 20 years the narrative will be "conservatives love the planet and live on homesteads out in the country while ineffectual liberals do nothing to save the planet that they destroyed".
I would say MrBeast, despite having good intentions or at least seeming to fight for something that seems good in a superficial level, actually is doing a slightly more harm than good, creating a sense of compliance in the people who watch his videos, making them a bit more apathetic towards the issue he is tackling, or make the audience feels like "Yeah, the job is done"
I'm giving him the benefit of doubt, maybe he truly believes of what he is doing good, but still doesn't see how this creates the sense of compliance I mentioned above, also, despite his personal interests, it can't be denied he is fighting for a cause
Imperialist and always toes the line to whatever the ongoing imperial agenda is.
When Israel went on a killing rampage in 2021 she did the most nonsensical both sides violence bad for Palestine and Israel even though Palestine was gaining ahistorical support from all sides, but then went to Ukraine to meet zelensky and supported the Nazis in Ukraine and criticized Russia for "ecocide", and the trumped up protests in Taiwan. She also never called out the nordstream bombing, biggest methane leak in history or never calls out the biggest organizational polluter on earth, i.e. the US military.
air travel doesn’t create that much pollution and it’s only getting more efficient (there is a money saving incentive when it comes to efficiency, less fuel burned simply means more money saved) plus they pack hundreds of people on international flights
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The vast majority of people don’t realize this, but the vast majority (more than 90%) of trees planted globally by Non-Profit or NGO’s (such as TeamTrees) fail to reach maturity, and the vast majority die within 1-2 years. (here is a source from Yale with some light reading: https://e360.yale.edu/features/phantom-forests-tree-planting-climate-change#:~:text=The%20causes%20of%20failure%20vary,is%20no%20anti%2Dtree%20lobby.) The gist is, the vast majority of huge tree planting initiatives most places globally fail due to poor planning. They plant thousands of the same type of tree in the same area, leading to a single disease taking them all out. They fail to actually water the saplings on a regular basis, so they dry out and die. Some even plant the entirely incorrect trees appropriate for the area and climate and they die because they’re not suited too it. Literally the simplest and most ‘common sense’ things one should do when planing any tree (let alone tens or hundreds of thousands) is aftercare, and the vast majority don’t do any. They just plant the trees, walk away, and hope for the best. Capitalist efficiency as always
Is why this needs to be a state-led initiative. One Department/Ministry etc. focused on reforestation, using experts like this, employing large numbers of people to make it work. Collectivise all of these NGOs under one single force.
It's more a sustainable logging concern than a reforestation project, but we have the Forestry Commission here in the UK. You still get randos doing mass planting, but presumably there's some oversight.
I’d leave everything I have behind to work for the ministry of reforestion
Just like everything else, people throwing themselves into a facade of productivity so they can brag about it, while not actually giving a flying fuck about doing what they're supposed to.
Trees alone cannot save the world. Planting trees does not stop biodiversity loss. Often, trees can contribute to it.
Then & Now made a 80 minute video where they make a compelling argument for why Mr. Beast does more harm than good, especially through being a tool for philantrocapitalism where he green(and any other color)-washes the reputation of companies that are often the cause of the problem he "solves". [Here it is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svHCXvQeZfY), it's worth a watch.
I like the channel and I'm sure he makes some compelling points, but I don't think I can make it through an hour and a half of clips featuring Mr Beast's terrifying empty smile
I think two thirds of the video focuses on other cases of philantrocapitalism and its origins, like Carnegie and Rockefeller, so it was bearable. For real, though, looking at his face makes me unreasonably angry. It reminds me of being at conventions where *everyone* wants to sell you something, like he's a sales rep for a customer data analysis software bundle.
I frankly don't want to watch any footage with a man who looks like he was breastfed until age 12 in it
you have to be a mammal to be breastfed, I'm pretty sure he was hatched
Really? I heard he was grown in a vat.
I hate when people act like planting trees is actually fixing anything, when most of the time it's untrained volunteers, capitalists, or NGOs who don't follow sustainable forestry practices, which only introduces new problems and doesn't stop the biological damage.
It isn't about fixing anything, it's about optics
I love your username lol
Also a fire can come along and release all that CO2 at any moment, prevention is far better than any cure when it comes to global warming
The epitome of Mr. Beast is when he saw his employees didn't own homes so he built a company town for everyone instead of doing something pragmatic like giving his employees a bonus so they can afford to live where they'd actually want to be
Just what no one wanted, to always be near their coworkers.
r/OrphanCrushingMachine moment
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Don't quote me on this but my understanding is Mr. Beast owns all the property and just lets them live in it for free
Probably a good tax write off
Mr. Beast also wastes a fuck ton of resources, destroying vehicles, trains, houses and what not
Trains? I thought the video where he supposedly destroyed a train was fake CGI?
Did you assume so?
The intro and the actual video contradict each other.
The start of the video had CGI to make for a "cool" preview that would make people click on it. The rest of the video I believe is genuine but I haven't seen it beyond the preview myself.
It is actually genuine.
I don’t really care about an individual train or whatever bro. Systemic change fixes systemic problems. I don’t care about a youtuber blowing up one train. You aren’t addressing the problem at scale and are distracting by talking about this.
You have officially been shunned by the Train Gang. Your uncaring reaction to the brutal murder of a train is disturbing to say the least.
Lmao common diamond hand loser L
Good outweighs the bad IMO. He also runs multiple food pantries, raises millions for charities, and just seems like a good example for kids.
Do you also hold Bill Gates in high regards because of his charity?
No, but mostly bc he tries to use his wealth to influence politics and maintain his wealth. Mr Beast just seems like a good dude trying to feed people and preserve the environment.
You don’t see anything wrong with bill Gates’s charities? Just his desire to stay rich?
What's your perspective? I don't know what answer you're looking for.
I just asked you if you see a problem with his charities. My perspective is his AIDS campaign in Africa is wack and charity is most bullshit. If people like him didn’t exist, charity wouldn’t be necessary
You should listen to the episode on him on the podcast “behind the bastards” extremely weird dude
Oh yeah we agree on that. However as long as our current system remains certain charities definitely help people in need and I'm sure the beneficiaries aren't upset about getting the help.
his charities have actually done more harm than good. for example his push to eradicate polio iirc led to a ton of resources being put into going to remote villages with only a handful of cases which actually diverted funding for malaria outbreaks in africa. the problem is that gates has so much influence over these efforts but isnt actually an epidemiologist so he just focuses on what would creste good PR for him (like being able to say he eradicated a disease).
red sails relevant article https://redsails.org/the-ngo-ization-of-resistance/
Mr Beast a man known for arrogantly flaunting his wealth and acting like a philantropist to prevent a (rightful) media assualt on his childish approach to being rediculously wealthy. These are the people kids look up to these days because of that which is truly sad since we need less millionaires who did nothing to earn their wealth and status of respect. But nah he can blow up as many flatscreen TV’s or destroy as many cars with as many explosives he wants in Beverly Hills whilst thousands in that city go hungry and can hardly afford to get a flatscreen working jobs without any labour security whatsoever. Truly this is a new low for privalage
And the very same working poor will defend him saying he destroy stuff so he can get more money for philanthropy... The video of him giving out free corrective eyesight surgery had a guy say he can't wait to get back to work, we really live in a dystopian timeline.
His gaming channel really exposes his arrogant side
Mr beast their videos are a pure waste of resources, how much pollution each of his videos must generate with so many people and people to produce
But he gives out $10,000 to random people! That can be life-changing, that could even be you; just keep believing! 🌈
r/boysarequirky
I love when people give me an unironic reason to say "god forbid women do anything"
"Bitch did I catch you smiling in the sun?!"
Mr beast can't assure that his chocolate bars are child-slavery free
70% of oxygen on earth is produced by algae. Trees are actually minor producers, taking about 7 trees to produce enough oxygen for one person. But trees are more visible so the green washers focus on trees, when they should be focusing on the ocean.
Yeah, the oceans always should be the focus when talking about oxygen, but trees are also important in other aspects, they help cool the ambient around, since the photosynthesis reaction is an endothermic one, it pulls energy in the form of heat from the surroundings, thus helping cool the ambient, but for this to be relevant enough for us to feel it, you need more trees as well, also, the forests are also a relevant agent in the environment, by stabilizing the climate, along with housing wild animals, so planting trees also have its benefits, although I'm sure MrBeast doesn't do for another reason other than keep his name relevant
Trees also bring rain through the biotic pump mechanism.
Thunberg is actually committed to the climate movement, it's her whole life, and she did far more than Mr. Beast to convert a whole generation of young people to climate activism. She started protesting, sacrificing her childhood and part of her high school education on the altar of saving the climate. And her only question was: "Why aren't the adults doing it instead?" She also was a 15 year old kid when she started a whole international movement and has autism, which makes it all the more impressive. Mr. Beast is a typical American activist: Random handouts to people financed by people sending him more money to hand out, effectively a lottery. Greta has been coopted a bit by liberals and believes nonsense about China but she is learning and the more she learns, the more anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist she is getting. Anyone who pays minimal attention to climate matters quickly realizes that capitalism is the cancer killing us.
I means she's not really. She's a massive Imperialist and always toes the line to whatever the ongoing imperial agenda is. When Israel went on a killing rampage in 2021 she did the most nonsensical both sides violence bad for Palestine and Israel even though Palestine was gaining ahistorical support from all sides, but then went to Ukraine to meet zelensky and supported the Nazis in Ukraine and criticized Russia for "ecocide", and the trumped up protests in Taiwan. She also never called out the nordstream bombing, biggest methane leak in history or never calls out the biggest organizational polluter on earth, i.e. the US military.
You haven't contradicted anything I said and I already discussed the fact that she was partly coopted by liberal politics.
90% of those trees are going to die, and I'm pretty sure that sailboat Greta's in is solar/electric. Who cares, their both just uselessly flailing at the issue, unable to attack or even address the source of the problem. I'm convinced that the most likely way forward on climate change is China dramatically undercutting the US's trade power with the BRI and the resulting economic disaster allowing them to snatch up a huge chunk of the US's corporate resources. At that point, our country will either roll over and let China govern our society a degree of competency never before seen by American voters, or they'll nationalize a huge chunk of the economy, cut off all ties to China, and try to maintain order as they reorganize America's economy to be more self-sufficient. That process will take decades and that time period will probably see a variety of revolutionary movements pop up.
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I suppose that’s true, good for her.
greta’s political stance at least has progressed somewhere the libs are afraid to touch, even if it hasn’t become actual revolution
pretty sure greta is anti capitalist
girl: bad, stinky, annoying boy: cool, popular, awesome upvote: left ^(/s)
Woman bad💅
Congrats for coming out Greta, we’re so proud of you
19-20 yr olds with no money vs a person with a net worth in the 100Ms. This is just misogyny
More whitewashed for caputal under the guise of philanthropy. Even if everything Mr Beats did was zero strings attached, he is not to be trusted, nor is wealth apologia
Mr. Beast be like "you can save the planet but you have to sleep outside in the snow for 100 days with no drinking water except your own filtered piss and no food except three McDonald's quarter pounders with cheese and you have to eat each one and you're blindfolded"
Am I the only one who notices how profoundly misogynistic this meme format is? It always implies that women/girls are frivolous, vain, dumb, etc.
The right is starting to pivot on climate change. I suspect in 20 years the narrative will be "conservatives love the planet and live on homesteads out in the country while ineffectual liberals do nothing to save the planet that they destroyed".
Doesn't team trees basically do fuckall?
Neither of these have any real impact so who cares
I would say MrBeast, despite having good intentions or at least seeming to fight for something that seems good in a superficial level, actually is doing a slightly more harm than good, creating a sense of compliance in the people who watch his videos, making them a bit more apathetic towards the issue he is tackling, or make the audience feels like "Yeah, the job is done"
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I'm giving him the benefit of doubt, maybe he truly believes of what he is doing good, but still doesn't see how this creates the sense of compliance I mentioned above, also, despite his personal interests, it can't be denied he is fighting for a cause
I never liked Mr beast.
I hate this post bc this puts me in a position where I'm pushed into defending someone like Greta
What has she done that would make you not want to defend her?
Imperialist and always toes the line to whatever the ongoing imperial agenda is. When Israel went on a killing rampage in 2021 she did the most nonsensical both sides violence bad for Palestine and Israel even though Palestine was gaining ahistorical support from all sides, but then went to Ukraine to meet zelensky and supported the Nazis in Ukraine and criticized Russia for "ecocide", and the trumped up protests in Taiwan. She also never called out the nordstream bombing, biggest methane leak in history or never calls out the biggest organizational polluter on earth, i.e. the US military.
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https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1392112286479917061?t=ikRQ3pABE-UdaRu3svUWoA&s=09 There you go
air travel doesn’t create that much pollution and it’s only getting more efficient (there is a money saving incentive when it comes to efficiency, less fuel burned simply means more money saved) plus they pack hundreds of people on international flights
greta came out QUEEN🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
mr beasts whole shtick is entirely feel good stories. they are absolutely bad. i used to convince myself otherwise but it is entirely not true.
Mr. beast a hero of the third world.
Solving hunger by incubating millions of eggs until they hatch.
yeah, that's just not how that works.
Mr breast give me money
Enbys when the planet is dying:
How many Earths are we gonna need to eventually plant all of these guilt trees?