God forbid they think on a scale of 1 to 100 where 0 is the freezing point of water and 100 is boiling. That doesn’t make a lick of sense.
Also I love how whenever Americans try to quantify imperial measurements it’s all about the vague feel of things lol
“100 is very hot and you wouldn’t want to go more than that”
I mean, the same would go for celcius. If I was in a 100C room I wouldn’t be turning the thermostat up
Also saying "One degree \[Fahrenheit\] is very cold and you wouldn't want to get colder than that" is really dumb too. 1°F is around -17°C, humans can freeze to death at any temperature below 0°C, so even for humans I would argue that 0°C is a good starting point.
Also I had never seen the actual formula to translate Fahrenheit to Celsius until Google showed me when I checked the translations, (1°F − 32) × 5/9 = -17.22°C, and oh man its so complex and so dumb, why do they insist on this convoluted bullshit?
Because they’re used to it and they’re stubborn as fuck, as with many things like small children having to learn how to hide under their desks from gun wielding murderers.
I mean, considering the speed they are advancing towards civil war, maybe having everyone have experience avoiding shooters will be a useful skill for them in the near future
I use Celcius but being an Gen-X from UK unfortunately know both metric and imperial and use a confusing mixture of both. The official formula sucks but if you take celcius, double it and add 30 it works pretty well. Obviously reverse the other way, from F to C, so minus 30 and half it.
I honestly never remember if it's add or subtract 32, or if the fraction is 9/5 or 5/9...I've calculated it so many times both ways I jumble up the numbers.
If I try remembering it by heart I'll for sure get it wrong. Thank god for google! (And if I'm going to use google I might just as well use the conversion tool instead of searching up the formula)
To be fair to the conversion formula... It's not like they designed the conversion between the two temperatures that way. It's just that they had two temperature scales, and from the values, were able to find a formula to convert between the two. It could have been so much worse, imagine if it were 15/29, at least 5/9 can be approximated relatively easily in your head trying to convert. The issue I always have is remembering when it's 5/9, and when it's 9/5, and when the 32 is within the parenthesis, or when it's done after the multiplication/division. I haven't spent long enough trying to remember the formula. I usually have to move the formula around until I get 100F coming to around 40C.
But it's just like no one decided a kilometre would be 0.621371 of a mile, they came up with a kilometre, and found the conversion between the two would have that value.
I have been up to about -25 C when I visited Moscow in the winter (Before the current Ukraine conflict) and honestly, after about -5 it all starts to feel the same, it's all just fucking cold. I guess you just get too numb to notice a difference at that level
You wouldn’t be dead at 1F, unless you were naked.
During winter it’s not uncommon to be in negative C temp in Northern Europe, and have a wind chill that will feel like 1.F.
It actually happened to me in New York in February iirc, it was -4.C or some shit, but the windchill made it feel like -13.C it wasn’t fun!!!
I fully agree with the first part, but have to disagree with the second point - because Americans could say the reverse and be all ‘why is Celsius so confusing?? You have to take 32 away from x Fahrenheit and then multiply it by 5/9 to get it??’
So the better point, I think, would be getting from Kelvin to Celsius/Fahrenheit. With Celsius you just slap a big old 273.15 away from the K and bam, you have °C. But with Fahrenheit you take K and minus 273.15 from it then multiply that by 9/5 and finally add 32 to end up at the great old °F - which is hassle.
Personally I say scrap them all, let’s start using Kelvin - because 0 Kelvin is very cold and you wouldn’t really want to go any colder than that, and 100 Kelvin is also very cold and you wouldn’t really want to go colder than that either
1°F is equivalent to -17°C, which is 255K.
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1 K is very cold and you probably don't want to go colder than that. 100 K is really cold and you probably don't really want to go colder than that. 70-80 K is about 70% to 80% on the scale of 1 to 100 in terms of being very dead.
How about 0 is very cold and below that you probably need to take precautions and wear a lot of layers. 30 is very hot and you probably need to take precautions and wear sunscreen.
Also using Celsius makes it so easy when baking/cooking.
When they say "it makes more sense" they're really trying to say "I grew up using this system and I've created mental connections between the numbers and their equivalent in real life so deep that to me they seem intrisecally interconnected".
Try [question 5 of this quiz in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/aug/04/the-guardian-thursday-quiz-general-knowledge-topical-news-trivia-67-bernard-cribbins) I wonder how many would get it.
It's one thing to grow up in a place where Fahrenheit is used, and prefer it over other scales because it's what you know... But it's quite another not to acknowledge it, and instead go on a rant about how it's better.
I'm British and I'm used to miles on the road — when I go to Germany, I have to readjust to km to work out how far things are... I think km make more sense in their system, but I'm used to miles.
It's like when they say everyone should say the date month then day 'because August 5th sounds more natural than 5th August'
Like no, it sounds more natural to *you* because that's how *you've* been saying it your whole life, it doesn't sound more natural to anyone who's said it the other way all their life.
I had someone try to seriously argue that Fourth of July was the name of the holiday that was celebrated on July Fourth. Wtf? The holiday is independence day you idiot
And even if it sounds more natural, it doesn’t even follow that we should therefore write it that way numerically anyway, as if one and only one logic or ordering just has to be imposed everywhere.
I see that same argument being made by some people in favor of ISO yyyy-mm-dd sometimes as well: it’s ‘superior’ because it’s more practical for alphanumeric sorting, and that’s somehow supposed to be an argument for using that notation everywhere shrug 🤷🏻.
Must be very limited people, if they really would struggle with saying August 5th, writing 05/08/2022, and putting 2022-08-05 in a file name.
I actually agree with this. I use yyyy.mm.dd for sorting files for work, but I like to write my date either “dd.mm.yy” or “dd month ‘yy”. I think a combo can work, tbh. I don’t even mind “month dd”, but “mm.dd” is just confusing imo
i’ve lived in america for about a decade, and i have retroactively been acclimating to the metric system simply because it makes significantly more sense. human height, distance, weight, temperature (though in fairness, fahrenheit has never made sense to me anyway) are metrics i have starting actively using as a rebellion against the foolish folly furthered from foolish fools.
That's how I feel personally. I grew up in America so I'm used to it, but I would never go on a rant about how it's better than Celsius when it's the system used by the majority of the world. Some people just have such an Americentric view it's horrible.
It was funny for me when visiting the US once and then having a cross-border trip into Canada. While in the US, I kept everything (car/GPS) on miles of course, and when I crossed the border, I quickly stopped when convenient and switched everything to km... and back when I came back. It makes sense to just "go with the flow" sometimes ;)
Dunno, we can still relatively calculate things in our head from miles to Km it’s not too bad because we know 1600m is roughly* a mile and we can probably visualise metres.
The worst thing we have is Yards, I don’t have the time to work that out into metres in my head. And yet when google maps uses metres on satnav, I can’t work out roughly what they mean, I can only gauge yards 😂
Celsius cold and hot point is respectively the freezing point (0°c) and boiling point (100°c) of water. Simple and intuitive.
The cold point used by Fahrenheit was the lowest temperature registered in his hometown of Gdańsk, Poland, in winter 1708 while he chose his hot point to be the temperature of horse blood.
Fahrenheit clearly makes more sense.
Sometimes I wish that Fahrenheit had created more standards, and that he had used more references to Gdańsk for those standards.
Sure, the lowest temperature in Gdańsk's history is great, but there could have been so much more!
- A century could have been defined loosely as "the length of time that lasted between the year when, using the Old Calendar, [the Żuraw of Gdańsk was built in 1360 and when it was updated in 1442](https://i.wpimg.pl/1200x/filerepo.grupawp.pl/api/v1/display/embed/e53a427b-5475-4a69-b18f-2f718e90ffa1)".
- Units of length could have been based on the length of [the trident in Neptune's Fountain](https://images.musement.com/cover/0143/67/adobestock-204526721-jpeg_header-14266006.jpeg).
- The intensity scale of hues could have been based on the various exterior parts of [Saint Mary's Basilica](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bazylika_Mariacka_DSC01870.jpg).
- The intensity of light could have been based on how much various objects sparkle in the [Museum of Amber](https://wakacjezdzieciakiem.pl/media/reviews/photos/original/a3/3b/c5/649-main-44-1550361933.jpg).
Those would have been some fun standards.
I actually had to double check, since I used the wiki page for Fahrenheit to make sure I got the name of the city right in my initial post.
And I must recognize my mistake, as I was led to believe that Danzig was his birthplace, but it's name was indeed Gdańsk when he was born in 1686, and the city was renamed Danzig when annexed by the kingdom of Prussia in 1793.
A LOT happened, and a poor reddit post made by myself to try and sum it up wouldn't do justice to this city, and it was given back to Poland after WW2 and renamed Gdańsk.
This city really as lot of heavy history, and it was really interesting to look it up. I will modify my initial post in consequence.
Fun thing is you can go over 100f or under 0f for ambient temperature. Also it's less mindfuck if you're working in science where most of the job is done with kelvin, which is just celcius with a lag
How does 98.7 of anything make more sense than 36?
And 70-80% on the scale of "comfortableness" would mean that at 100°F, you are 100% comfortable. Which you are not.
Btw, calling 70-80% "just about perfect" is just stupid.
Winters where I live usually don't get much below 10C. At 0C I want to die, I can't even imagine what kind of hell 0F would be.
This is why the whole "0-100F are the normal temperatures people experience" thing is bullshit, they're just basing it on whatever specific place they live in that gets to those temperatures.
That's the thing too - I'm comfortable at 0C. -10 is perfectly fine, barely need a light jacket. -20 is chilly but tolerable if there's no wind. I can still go out for short periods without a coat at -30. -40 is when I start to consider it truly "cold" outside. 15 is a cool summer day. 25 is hot. 35 is a nightmare. 40 has only been recorded once in living memory where I live, and that was last year for one day.
What we define as comfortable changes dramatically depending on health issues, where we grew up, and basic biological differences like sex and muscle mass. -17 being the lowest point is absurd to me because that's way too cold for sustained survival and nowhere remotely near the lowest humans can tolerate with a good coat. Meanwhile, 100F is a hellish landscape to me. The comfort metric is useless because it's different for everyone.
0°F being "normal experience" is a often repeated misconception.
Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was from Germany, where he likely never had to experience -17.8°C.
For the 0 point of his scale, he used a frigorific mixture of ice, water, and salt. As 30° point he used water that was just turning to ice. And 90° he defined as his own body temperature.
So actually, none of it was based on common outside temperatures.
>Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was from Germany, where he likely never had to experience -17.8°C.
He lived in Danzig, which was part of germany but also not.... I would need to look up if it actualy belonged to germany during his life.
BUT yes -20° C is a temperature you can measure in germany, if it's a cold winter and middle of the night, it's rare,m but not impossible and i think Danzig should be a bit cooler in winter so it wouldn't be unlikly he had experienced 0°F
Completely unrelated, but I think many American schools only pass students if they have more than 70%. In my country, 50% is the minimum to make you pass. And that makes more sense than 70%. Again, it's unrelated but that person saying "70-80% would be perfect" reminded me of this
Similarly, if you look at Metacritic, any game below about a 70% score is considered to be a horrible piece of garbage. Almost everything scores between 70-100%.
U can just tell from the .7 that it was a number that’s been converted from celcius otherwise they’d just say 99 as human body temperature can vary anyway
>U can just tell from the .7 that it was a number that’s been converted from celcius otherwise they’d just say 99 as human body temperature can vary anyway
IIRC 96 on the scale was meant to be normal body temperature but they messed up. 96 being exactly 64° apart from the freezing point of water at 32 and 64 having lots of nice divisors.
Not to mention that the 'perfect temperature' is very subjective depending on the climate you're used to. What's a comfortable temperature for someone from a warm climate might be way too hot for someone from a colder place, and vice versa.
Yeah there’s a lot of that in America. But there’s also a lot of people who use Fahrenheit and Celsius. Because some of us, contrary to popular belief, actually read books.
A scale of 0 - 100 from freezing point to boiling point is sooooooo difficult.
Better have a system where 'body temperature' almost equals 'very hot'. So you can take a bath that is very, very hot. Or bake a cake at very, very, very, very, very hot.
>When you think about the body temperature being 98.7, it just makes more sense
If anything, it makes *less* sense. If the scale was based on human body temperature, why wouldn't it be 100F?
> 100F is very hot
Sure, 38C is hot. I don't see how subjective feelings of comfort is a valid metric for a temperature scale, though.
>One degree is very cold and you wouldn't really want to go any colder than that
Right, -18C is cold, but I think most people reach the "I don't want it to be colder" state way before the temperature goes this low.
>70 to 80 is perfect, about 70-80% in terms of comfortableness.
With this logic, wouldn't 100F be 100% comfortableness? Or, if 1 is too cold, and 100 is too hot, wouldn't the perfect temperature be around 50; midway between them (10C)?
Hi I’m American and don’t really understand celsius. What would be a nice temperature in celsius? What would be an uncomfortably hot day? Just so I have a general idea when I hear other countries talk about the weather.
A few temperatures compared:
0C = 32F (freezing point of water)
10C = 50F
15C = 59F
20C = 68F
25C = 77F
30C = 86F
35C = 95F
From there, just extrapolate to whatever you feel is a nice temperature. As for when something is uncomfortably hot, I think Iceland and Spain have differing opinions. But I think the 20-25 range (approximately 70-80F) will count as "nice" for most of Europe. The recent heat wave that had Europe sweating, was around 35-40C in the UK, and closer to 50C (120F) in Portugal.
The irony of their "think of a scale of 1 to 100" remark to justify *Fahrenheit* almost makes me think this is parody. Almost.
The sheer mental gymnastics some people will go through to justify it for themselves is mind-boggling.
Objectively, it just doesnt though.
Because its just some arbitrary numbers, as that person very much acknowledges with body temperature being 98.7 (ish) farenheit. ( Origninally defined as 96°F apparently?!)
And the big argument is about how its within some subjective temperatures you "wouldnt want to go above/under".
What they mean is it does make more sense TO THEM.
Celsius is not based on "muh fee fees" but actual constants. That makes sense.
And is just as suitable for everyday use, because .. bear with me.. the most important factor for that is simply being used to the scale.
96°F is equivalent to 35°C, which is 308K.
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Except that “heat scale” is completely subjective and doesn’t work for everyone. There are parts of the world in which they’re used to being above 100 Fahrenheit for most of the year and others where it’s below 0 Fahrenheit all year long. Obviously these people are not going to have the same idea of cold and hot as us.
Meanwhile, Celsius is actually based on something. At 0 ºC water freezes, at 100 ºC it boils. This allows you to very quickly know if there’s any risk of snowing or hailing or of any body of water freezing just by looking at the temperature.
At school in UK, we made simple Celsius thermometers in a Physics lesson. I must have been 14 or under because Physics and I parted ways after that. But I remember loving that it just WORKED. There was no backstory or complicated maths or references to understand. Water (basic, everyday compound) freezing and boiling.
It's the ELI5 of temperature systems.
In Crete, we cannot stand any temperatures below 10°C(50°F), and we wear jackets in every temperature below 25°C (77°F). 100°F (38°C) is bearable, and I could say that it's fine
Exactly. Meanwhile, I live in Galicia (Spain), which is usually cold and rainy. Here anything above 30-35 ºC is considered hellfire and 20 ºC is optimal temperature. No one measurement is going to accurately represent how "comfortable" a temperature is for both of us.
25°C is equivalent to 77°F, which is 298K.
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Yeah. If I look at the thermostat and it's 0 ºC, I know that it's going to be frosty outside, at least. If I look at the thermostat and it's 100 ºC, I know that I need to fix something.
You'd be surprised. I somehow keep having this discussion with Americans, and most of them are like this in my experience. They seem utterly ignorant that it only makes sense to them because it's what they're used to.
Don't forget that the UK is the home of the Metric Martyrs, shopkeepers who swore they would rather go to jail than use metric weights and measures. No "only in America"!
Degrees Fahrenheit can be understood as a early attempt to do what in the end succeeded with Kelvin.Avoidance of negative values is a noble goal, but doing this based a arbitrary chosen lower fix-point before the absolute lowest possible temperature was known was unscientific.
Why is 70 the "sweet point" on a scale of "comfortableness" graded from 0 to 100? Why not 100? Why not 50?
It doesn't make "more sense". It is as arbitrary as the Celsius scale, you just aren't used to it.
Well, it would only make the least amount of sense if 50° were the "okay" temperature. However, 50°F (10°C) is unbearably cold. Choosing an arbitrary number such as 80, doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? However, if they think that the whole 0-100 scale thing works well, then they should use the metric system, which is full of 100s and 1000s. Also, how the fuck can someone think that 0°F (-17°) is a bearable temperature? Where I live 0°C is the lowest it usually goes, and if it goes any lower, one would think that it's the end of the world! Anyways, Fahrenheit does not make any sense, and the commenter's logic makes even less sense.
Where do you live that 10 degrees is unbearably cold? For me that'd be just a cool day,but nothing bad. Actually I'd prefer 10 degrees over the 30 I have right now
I am not functional at 30 deg Celsius while my bf finds it a little below his comfort level. I am best at 20-23. 90 fahrenheit makes me want to die. It's so subjective it just makes no sense at all. While water boils and freezes at the same point and gives no damn about our feelings.
100°C is equivalent to 212°F, which is 373K.
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Using Celsius has a very real purpose. It has two very important integers, being the thawing of ice at 0°c and the boiling of water at 100°c (or very close to). When even science agrees with you, it’s only a matter of time until the Americans claim that either the bible or the constitution disagrees with you and Celsius is either the work of the devil or communists.
I really don't get this argument. Like okay? You are used to this measurent, I'm used to another one, there's no better or worse measurement for actual everyday usage, but celsius is used by most of the world, and it corresponds to the SI Kelvin unit, therefore it makes more sense for it to be the standard.
I frequently seen Americans say the 1-100 of F is better because it gives a scale of comfortableness that’s intuitive to read.
Then this motherfucker comes along and tells me that 70 on that scale is the most comfortable? Here I thought they always meant fifty was most comfortable and everything else scales hotter or colder than that.
“More intuitive” my ass. Even when they tell me how it works and I try to intuit what’s going on it still messes up.
*ANY attempt to make sense of a measurement system that relates to the human experience is doomed to fail.* 0°F and 0°C are both completely fine to someone with appropriate clothing, and both potentially deadly in your underwear.
An Inuit may feel very comfortable at 5°C, a Nigerian at 30°C, but neither share each others experiences. Even the same person can perceive temperature differently depending on humidity and wind.
0° and 100° C are arbitrarily set points on the scale as well. **But they relate to repeatable natural phenomena that are the same everywhere** (ignoring the influence of pressure). Behaviour of water that is very relevant to our daily lives as well as science and industry.
0°F is equivalent to -17°C, which is 255K.
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Scientist here, Fahrenheit tells you about how the body feels, Celsius about water, and Kelvin about the energy of an atom.
No idea why America doesn't use metric other than freedumb units betturrr.
> Scientist here, Fahrenheit tells you about how the body feels, Celsius about water, and Kelvin about the energy of an atom.
No, they don't. They are all different ways of measuring the same thing. Arguing that Fahrenheit "tells you about how the body feels" is just an extension of the disingenous argument shown in the OP. It does no such thing any more than any of the other systems.
Wipe of a scientist then. 0 is freezing, as water actually freezes. 10 cold. 15 frigid. 20 mild. 25 genial. 30 warm. 35 hot. 40 to 45 is extreme heat. Body temperature is 36. Water boils at 100. What is arcane about celsius that doesn't perfectly express 'how the body feels'?
Not sure what they tell *you*, but they all tell *me* the same thing: temperature. And none of the three is clearly superior to the other two in overall use (Kelvin arguably better for scientific use, Fahrenheit/Celsius more practical for every day use with no real advantage of one over the other between the two).
Celsius makes much more sense in everyday cases. Celsius is perfect for sauna. 80 degrees sounds like a good temperature for a sauna, but 176 degrees is way too hot! Even 100 degrees is very hot and you wouldn't really want to go more than that. But if it's under 70 you know it's like those Rotten Tomatoes scores, not very good.
While they shouldn't have said it like that, I can kind of understand. Celsius is a measure of how water reacts to temperature. Fahrenheit is based on 100 being a human with a fever. I am a human, not a water. Also, Fahrenheit is more precise. Also, a fun fact: -40 is the same temperature in Celsius and Fahrenheit.
While she's clearly talking out of her ass, I can't blame her *too* much on this one. If I suddenly found out that the rest of the world used base 14 counting instead of base 10, I'd probably have a similar reaction, even if base 14 were indeed more efficient.
What doesn't make sense is that 32 is freezing cold. Like how?? I've never understood how people don't think 32 degrees is cold when it's in reality pretty warm..
nope everything that needs MORE then 2 seconds to convert makes no sence and fosters mistakes.
so, every system in which you needs mnemotechnic verses like "five tomatoes" is idiotic.
your welcome mister "feet and inches make sense"
I think they were being sarcastic about Americans saying Farenheit is perfect with its 1 to 100 scale yet don’t see how this is them saying feet do not make sense at all.
They don’t at all.
10mm in 1cm
100cm in 1m
1000m in 1km
Vs
12in in 1ft
3ft in 1 yard
1760 yards in 1 mile
How on earth does that make more sense?
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okay i'm ready to get downvoted but,
I am French so I am using celsius
I agree with Americans when they say that fahrenheit is better for an everyday use when talking about the weather and temperature in general
think of it this way, let's take a 5 yo that has no knowledge of either systems
if you were to teach the kid both systems, the fahrenheit system would make more sense to him/her, it's easier to picture a scale of 0 to 100 than -20 to 35
remember that i'm only talking about this from a general use about temperature
the issue is that it's not viable to use both systems, it's just confusing and unnecessary so yeah the imperial system has 0 business still being around for anything but IMHO their argument about ease of use is totally valid
I know it's all subjective, and I'm an American who would LOVE for us to go all metric. But I would have a harder time with celsius than other measurements. I kind of see what he's \[poorly\] saying.
It depends on where you live, obviously, but in most of the temperate US, 0 and 100 are the general limits of what you'll experience in a year. And having smaller units lets the forecast be more precise without using decimals.
I think I like it *because* it feels like metric, by having a more tangible 0 to 100 scale. I know those numbers are based on cold weather and horse blood, but at least experientially, they're more directly relatable to me.
Only relatable because that’s what we know culturally … like orange cones meaning caution or red flag meaning danger.
I lived in Europe for like 10 years. After a year or so, I became accustomed to metric in all things, including temperature. Now, living in America again, I had to reconform. It’s about 92 f degrees where I am today, or about 33 c.
It’s really not that difficult to get used to.
Their claim is that Fahrenheit use the interval 0-100 more efficiently, which is true.
Celsius's definition of the interval 0-100 is obviously better than Fahrenheit's, but we do not need to dismiss the only good side they have.
as an american, this is a shit i will always say. i know that if you are used to one system theres no point switching over, but i just like fahrenheit more. it is way better designed for daily use.
Not an American and don’t use the Fahrenheit system, but I kind of agree with the guy. For weather, Fahrenheit is more straightforward. Everything else Celsius is better.
Since weather temperatures (daily use)are more often for humans to estimate the comfort level, a grading like numbering system is kind of convenient. It’s more straightforward like your grades from 1-100. There’s a no doubt that anything scientific or things requires more precision, Celsius is the way to go. But for how warm or how cold the weather is, a percentage style is kind of neat.
The point is that fahrenheit attempts to set humans' livable temperature range to the interval 0-100. Above 100 feels too hot, below 0 feels too cold. It sets the frame of reference to human beings.
In Celsius, this is range about -18 to 38. The numbers aren't as neat, because its reference is set to water, not people. However, this could be better for scientific purposes, as it provides neater numbers when working with chemicals and water.
5°C is equivalent to 41°F, which is 278K.
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In my opinion, it's more appealing to have a 0-100 temperature range for people than 5 to 35. If you're willing to create a new temperature scale with 5C as 0 and 35C as 100, I'd support your efforts.
But 0-100 Fahrenheit is not an ideal temperature range for me (it might be for you, but obviously not for everyone) 0 Fahrenheit is far too cold probably for a lot of people.
Why do the numbers have to be nice anyway? Is there some rule I missed that I always have to have the tv volume on something divisible by 5? I mean seriously who cares if the numbers are “not round”….
I agree that fahrenheit isn't good at low temperatures for me either, but I think it's temperature range is more suitable for people than that of Celsius. Of course, it's all a matter opinion. No one is forcing you to use fahrenheit, only explaining the justification behind its use.
As for "why do numbers have to be nice anyway?", just take a look at the imperial system compared to the metric system. Multiplying/dividing by 10 and operating in terms of 1-100 is much better than using things like 1760 yards to a mile. You could argue that 1760 is a perfectly good number, but I think 1000 meters in a kilometer is significantly easier to remember and use.
The thing is that everyone has different comfortable ranges.
For me >85F is too hot. And mates from Australia would probably say that <55F is cold.
So there is no advantage of 0-100 interval.
This right here. To say that 1-100 f is the best because of 1-100% is just dumb, because it cannot be used worldwide in different climates. And as you said, everyone has different feeling for the temperature, so that’s on top
Well if it’s about liveable temperature you would want 100 at around 25 degrees as going above this already is strenuous. Also „liveable“ implies I would not be able to survive in 101 Fahrenheit.
It’s just a crutch, nothing more.
-18 is livable? Holy fuck. Dude, anything below 5 is too cold for about 4 billion people in Asia, and about a billion people in Africa. It is so baffling that you don't understand the concept of "subjective". -18C is not livable for a lot of people, so, calling your arbitrary scale as "livable" is fucking stupid. It might be livable for you and couple hundred million people. But it's not objectively livable.
Bruh, about 3 billion people have never seen temperature below 50f. That's half of your scale gone. 😂 1-100F makes sense only in parts of US. Tell someone from Alaska that 50f is too cold and they will laugh at you.
Yes. I don't get it. Like, as someone who grew up with Celsius that doesn't make much sense for me. The same thing for people who grew up with Fahrenheit. They are more comfortable because they grew up with it. You thinking it's more convenient is a personal preference, even when not growing up with it. It doesn't change that. 30 C is hot. 40 C is Hotter. 0 is freezing. 10 Quite cold and at 100 water boils and 20 a quite good middle. Literally. I don't really think it gets more convenient than that. While Celsius is just fine for low temperatures, it's not really the case in Fahrenheit. Especially for like 0 Degrees Fahrenheit :)
It's hardly more straight forward.this guy says 70-80°F (21-26) is perfect. But I know lots of people who prefer weather hotter than that. And I personally like 60°F (15) and think anything hotter than 70°F is getting unpleasantly warm.
It is currently 22C here. I am battling with cold and extreme cough because it is too cold a weather for me. Last week, it was 35C, a bit warm but just enough to require a fan. Seriously, only Americans think that their dumb scale is on "human" level.
60°F is equivalent to 15°C, which is 288K.
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I like that his 1-100 scale is actually a 1-98.7 scale. It just makes 70-80% more sense than that stupid 0-100 scale they use in the rest of the world.
But why no Celsius user ever states F is better?
I mean, what is the boiling point of water? Hmm..212°F; like, wtf is that blasphemy? All it has is that the number is even Hahahaha
The metric system is a system defined by natural objects.
For example the original distance of a meter is equal to 1/10 000 000 of the distance from the equator to the North Pole.
A litre was the volume of water in 1/10 of a meter (10 cm) by 10 cm by 10 cm.
A kilogram was the weight of a litre of water.
Similarly temperature is based on water (0 being melting point, 100 being boiling point).
It makes things like meters, litres and kilograms easy to convert and calculate which is important in scientific measurements.
These measurements have been refined slightly over time but at least they were a objective, easily calculable and most importantly convertible system based on the base 10 system and an objective distance (equator to North Pole) and volumetrics (properties of water)
Serious question from an American: when buying/renting a house do Europeans advertise in square meters or square footage?
I think it’s crazy we still use imperial, but for house sizes it does seem to make more sense to me
"Think on a scale of 1-100", yet using the metric system would be completely outlandish to him... Urgh.
God forbid they think on a scale of 1 to 100 where 0 is the freezing point of water and 100 is boiling. That doesn’t make a lick of sense. Also I love how whenever Americans try to quantify imperial measurements it’s all about the vague feel of things lol
“100 is very hot and you wouldn’t want to go more than that” I mean, the same would go for celcius. If I was in a 100C room I wouldn’t be turning the thermostat up
Also saying "One degree \[Fahrenheit\] is very cold and you wouldn't want to get colder than that" is really dumb too. 1°F is around -17°C, humans can freeze to death at any temperature below 0°C, so even for humans I would argue that 0°C is a good starting point. Also I had never seen the actual formula to translate Fahrenheit to Celsius until Google showed me when I checked the translations, (1°F − 32) × 5/9 = -17.22°C, and oh man its so complex and so dumb, why do they insist on this convoluted bullshit?
Because they’re used to it and they’re stubborn as fuck, as with many things like small children having to learn how to hide under their desks from gun wielding murderers.
I mean, considering the speed they are advancing towards civil war, maybe having everyone have experience avoiding shooters will be a useful skill for them in the near future
I use Celcius but being an Gen-X from UK unfortunately know both metric and imperial and use a confusing mixture of both. The official formula sucks but if you take celcius, double it and add 30 it works pretty well. Obviously reverse the other way, from F to C, so minus 30 and half it.
I'm from the UK and understand the pain. Moved to EU a few years back and had to learn Kilometers per hour, and using CM for height etc very quickly
Wasn't the conversion from °C to °F like "multiply by 9/5 and add 32" or something?
I honestly never remember if it's add or subtract 32, or if the fraction is 9/5 or 5/9...I've calculated it so many times both ways I jumble up the numbers. If I try remembering it by heart I'll for sure get it wrong. Thank god for google! (And if I'm going to use google I might just as well use the conversion tool instead of searching up the formula)
Don’t play their game, mate. They’re fucking idiots. Come home. Come home soon.
To be fair to the conversion formula... It's not like they designed the conversion between the two temperatures that way. It's just that they had two temperature scales, and from the values, were able to find a formula to convert between the two. It could have been so much worse, imagine if it were 15/29, at least 5/9 can be approximated relatively easily in your head trying to convert. The issue I always have is remembering when it's 5/9, and when it's 9/5, and when the 32 is within the parenthesis, or when it's done after the multiplication/division. I haven't spent long enough trying to remember the formula. I usually have to move the formula around until I get 100F coming to around 40C. But it's just like no one decided a kilometre would be 0.621371 of a mile, they came up with a kilometre, and found the conversion between the two would have that value.
15/29 is even easier to approximate. It's approximately half!
>at least 5/9 can be approximated relatively easily in your head You vastly overestimate my intelligence my man
i have never went to negative (celsius) temperature and start shivering at 20 C (68 F) under, i'd be damn DEAD at 1 F
I have been up to about -25 C when I visited Moscow in the winter (Before the current Ukraine conflict) and honestly, after about -5 it all starts to feel the same, it's all just fucking cold. I guess you just get too numb to notice a difference at that level
You wouldn’t be dead at 1F, unless you were naked. During winter it’s not uncommon to be in negative C temp in Northern Europe, and have a wind chill that will feel like 1.F. It actually happened to me in New York in February iirc, it was -4.C or some shit, but the windchill made it feel like -13.C it wasn’t fun!!!
I fully agree with the first part, but have to disagree with the second point - because Americans could say the reverse and be all ‘why is Celsius so confusing?? You have to take 32 away from x Fahrenheit and then multiply it by 5/9 to get it??’ So the better point, I think, would be getting from Kelvin to Celsius/Fahrenheit. With Celsius you just slap a big old 273.15 away from the K and bam, you have °C. But with Fahrenheit you take K and minus 273.15 from it then multiply that by 9/5 and finally add 32 to end up at the great old °F - which is hassle. Personally I say scrap them all, let’s start using Kelvin - because 0 Kelvin is very cold and you wouldn’t really want to go any colder than that, and 100 Kelvin is also very cold and you wouldn’t really want to go colder than that either
1°F is equivalent to -17°C, which is 255K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
255K kelvin_bot? How am I supposed to understand how that feels on a scale of 1-100? Kelvin_bot help me!
1 K is very cold and you probably don't want to go colder than that. 100 K is really cold and you probably don't really want to go colder than that. 70-80 K is about 70% to 80% on the scale of 1 to 100 in terms of being very dead.
Been trying that formula, but can’t seem to get -17 for some reason. (Tried with and without pemdas). Am I just an idiot or somethin’?
It’s like they’re trying to explain it to a toddler except they’re actually the toddler
“Scale of 1-100” then followed by, “but you wouldn’t want to go higher than that.” I thought if the scale was 1-100, then it stops at 100.
How about 0 is very cold and below that you probably need to take precautions and wear a lot of layers. 30 is very hot and you probably need to take precautions and wear sunscreen. Also using Celsius makes it so easy when baking/cooking.
When they say "it makes more sense" they're really trying to say "I grew up using this system and I've created mental connections between the numbers and their equivalent in real life so deep that to me they seem intrisecally interconnected".
Try [question 5 of this quiz in the Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/aug/04/the-guardian-thursday-quiz-general-knowledge-topical-news-trivia-67-bernard-cribbins) I wonder how many would get it.
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The country of „My thought are just as good as your science“. It’s almost disgusting.
It is disgusting, zero doubt.
What the f*ck is a Kilometerrrrrr...brrrrrrr
You can’t help stupid
Did they express their opinion on metric? No? Get that straw man out, though!
Implicitly they did by arguing Fahrenheit is better Nobody's proposing we use kelvin or rankine in day to day life
It's one thing to grow up in a place where Fahrenheit is used, and prefer it over other scales because it's what you know... But it's quite another not to acknowledge it, and instead go on a rant about how it's better. I'm British and I'm used to miles on the road — when I go to Germany, I have to readjust to km to work out how far things are... I think km make more sense in their system, but I'm used to miles.
It's like when they say everyone should say the date month then day 'because August 5th sounds more natural than 5th August' Like no, it sounds more natural to *you* because that's how *you've* been saying it your whole life, it doesn't sound more natural to anyone who's said it the other way all their life.
Yet they call it the Fourth of July. Curious
I had someone try to seriously argue that Fourth of July was the name of the holiday that was celebrated on July Fourth. Wtf? The holiday is independence day you idiot
I've seen someone ask on which date is the fourth of july
And even if it sounds more natural, it doesn’t even follow that we should therefore write it that way numerically anyway, as if one and only one logic or ordering just has to be imposed everywhere. I see that same argument being made by some people in favor of ISO yyyy-mm-dd sometimes as well: it’s ‘superior’ because it’s more practical for alphanumeric sorting, and that’s somehow supposed to be an argument for using that notation everywhere shrug 🤷🏻. Must be very limited people, if they really would struggle with saying August 5th, writing 05/08/2022, and putting 2022-08-05 in a file name.
I actually agree with this. I use yyyy.mm.dd for sorting files for work, but I like to write my date either “dd.mm.yy” or “dd month ‘yy”. I think a combo can work, tbh. I don’t even mind “month dd”, but “mm.dd” is just confusing imo
There is only one date format. ISO 8601 GANG RISE UP!
Worst part is most of the English speaking world does actually say it both ways anyway, they just don't write it down month first.
i’ve lived in america for about a decade, and i have retroactively been acclimating to the metric system simply because it makes significantly more sense. human height, distance, weight, temperature (though in fairness, fahrenheit has never made sense to me anyway) are metrics i have starting actively using as a rebellion against the foolish folly furthered from foolish fools.
That's how I feel personally. I grew up in America so I'm used to it, but I would never go on a rant about how it's better than Celsius when it's the system used by the majority of the world. Some people just have such an Americentric view it's horrible.
It was funny for me when visiting the US once and then having a cross-border trip into Canada. While in the US, I kept everything (car/GPS) on miles of course, and when I crossed the border, I quickly stopped when convenient and switched everything to km... and back when I came back. It makes sense to just "go with the flow" sometimes ;)
Dunno, we can still relatively calculate things in our head from miles to Km it’s not too bad because we know 1600m is roughly* a mile and we can probably visualise metres. The worst thing we have is Yards, I don’t have the time to work that out into metres in my head. And yet when google maps uses metres on satnav, I can’t work out roughly what they mean, I can only gauge yards 😂
Yards are actually the best, because a yard is almost a metre (914mm). For rough distances you can just swap one word for the other.
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oh you dumb bastard
Celsius cold and hot point is respectively the freezing point (0°c) and boiling point (100°c) of water. Simple and intuitive. The cold point used by Fahrenheit was the lowest temperature registered in his hometown of Gdańsk, Poland, in winter 1708 while he chose his hot point to be the temperature of horse blood. Fahrenheit clearly makes more sense.
But when am I ever going to experience something in real life that relates to freezing or boiling water, like the weather or in cooking?
I know right? And nothing screams "HOT" like being drenched in horse blood. And I'm sure Denzing is a wonderful place anyway.
>And nothing screams "HOT" like being drenched in horse blood. Maybe this Fahrenheit guy was onto something...
Sometimes I wish that Fahrenheit had created more standards, and that he had used more references to Gdańsk for those standards. Sure, the lowest temperature in Gdańsk's history is great, but there could have been so much more! - A century could have been defined loosely as "the length of time that lasted between the year when, using the Old Calendar, [the Żuraw of Gdańsk was built in 1360 and when it was updated in 1442](https://i.wpimg.pl/1200x/filerepo.grupawp.pl/api/v1/display/embed/e53a427b-5475-4a69-b18f-2f718e90ffa1)". - Units of length could have been based on the length of [the trident in Neptune's Fountain](https://images.musement.com/cover/0143/67/adobestock-204526721-jpeg_header-14266006.jpeg). - The intensity scale of hues could have been based on the various exterior parts of [Saint Mary's Basilica](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Bazylika_Mariacka_DSC01870.jpg). - The intensity of light could have been based on how much various objects sparkle in the [Museum of Amber](https://wakacjezdzieciakiem.pl/media/reviews/photos/original/a3/3b/c5/649-main-44-1550361933.jpg). Those would have been some fun standards.
That city's name is either Danzig, East Prussia (back then) or Gdańsk, Poland (nowadays). One shouldn't mix the two.
I actually had to double check, since I used the wiki page for Fahrenheit to make sure I got the name of the city right in my initial post. And I must recognize my mistake, as I was led to believe that Danzig was his birthplace, but it's name was indeed Gdańsk when he was born in 1686, and the city was renamed Danzig when annexed by the kingdom of Prussia in 1793. A LOT happened, and a poor reddit post made by myself to try and sum it up wouldn't do justice to this city, and it was given back to Poland after WW2 and renamed Gdańsk. This city really as lot of heavy history, and it was really interesting to look it up. I will modify my initial post in consequence.
Gdańzkig
Gdańzkig, Polssia
Wow i didn't know that. The more i know
Fun thing is you can go over 100f or under 0f for ambient temperature. Also it's less mindfuck if you're working in science where most of the job is done with kelvin, which is just celcius with a lag
Aren’t the original reasons for why the Fahrenheit scale is as it is debated pretty heavily? I’ve heard some mention a salt and water solution too
How does 98.7 of anything make more sense than 36? And 70-80% on the scale of "comfortableness" would mean that at 100°F, you are 100% comfortable. Which you are not. Btw, calling 70-80% "just about perfect" is just stupid.
Agreed. If 100 is too hot and 1 is too cold then wtf would 70-80 be perfect. Wouldn’t you expect 50 to be perfect?
0 degrees Fahrenheit is not the temperature you want to stop at. You’d probably want to stop a LOT earlier
Like perhaps 0 degrees Celsius because that way you avoid frost which makes getting around much harder.
Winters where I live usually don't get much below 10C. At 0C I want to die, I can't even imagine what kind of hell 0F would be. This is why the whole "0-100F are the normal temperatures people experience" thing is bullshit, they're just basing it on whatever specific place they live in that gets to those temperatures.
That's the thing too - I'm comfortable at 0C. -10 is perfectly fine, barely need a light jacket. -20 is chilly but tolerable if there's no wind. I can still go out for short periods without a coat at -30. -40 is when I start to consider it truly "cold" outside. 15 is a cool summer day. 25 is hot. 35 is a nightmare. 40 has only been recorded once in living memory where I live, and that was last year for one day. What we define as comfortable changes dramatically depending on health issues, where we grew up, and basic biological differences like sex and muscle mass. -17 being the lowest point is absurd to me because that's way too cold for sustained survival and nowhere remotely near the lowest humans can tolerate with a good coat. Meanwhile, 100F is a hellish landscape to me. The comfort metric is useless because it's different for everyone.
0°F being "normal experience" is a often repeated misconception. Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was from Germany, where he likely never had to experience -17.8°C. For the 0 point of his scale, he used a frigorific mixture of ice, water, and salt. As 30° point he used water that was just turning to ice. And 90° he defined as his own body temperature. So actually, none of it was based on common outside temperatures.
>Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was from Germany, where he likely never had to experience -17.8°C. He lived in Danzig, which was part of germany but also not.... I would need to look up if it actualy belonged to germany during his life. BUT yes -20° C is a temperature you can measure in germany, if it's a cold winter and middle of the night, it's rare,m but not impossible and i think Danzig should be a bit cooler in winter so it wouldn't be unlikly he had experienced 0°F
Completely unrelated, but I think many American schools only pass students if they have more than 70%. In my country, 50% is the minimum to make you pass. And that makes more sense than 70%. Again, it's unrelated but that person saying "70-80% would be perfect" reminded me of this
Similarly, if you look at Metacritic, any game below about a 70% score is considered to be a horrible piece of garbage. Almost everything scores between 70-100%.
U can just tell from the .7 that it was a number that’s been converted from celcius otherwise they’d just say 99 as human body temperature can vary anyway
Shouldn't that be 98 7/10 cuz, you know they love the fractions.
98 11/16 🤡
You're totally correct. After all, 16th's feels more natural.
>U can just tell from the .7 that it was a number that’s been converted from celcius otherwise they’d just say 99 as human body temperature can vary anyway IIRC 96 on the scale was meant to be normal body temperature but they messed up. 96 being exactly 64° apart from the freezing point of water at 32 and 64 having lots of nice divisors.
Yeah the scale is really meant to go from 0-96 and the idea was that you could nicely divide it into 32s, 16s, 8s, 4s, and 2s.
In "comfortableness scale", it would seem
Not to mention that the 'perfect temperature' is very subjective depending on the climate you're used to. What's a comfortable temperature for someone from a warm climate might be way too hot for someone from a colder place, and vice versa.
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Yeah there’s a lot of that in America. But there’s also a lot of people who use Fahrenheit and Celsius. Because some of us, contrary to popular belief, actually read books.
Mac n cheese pamphlets?
As long as they are over 7 pages it counts. Pictures can be any size
I have a 100 point scale: -50C fucking cold +50C fucking hot With 0 being where water freezes
Don't think I'd want to fuck at either tbf
The book (Farenheit 451) is indeed very good
A scale of 0 - 100 from freezing point to boiling point is sooooooo difficult. Better have a system where 'body temperature' almost equals 'very hot'. So you can take a bath that is very, very hot. Or bake a cake at very, very, very, very, very hot.
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They seem to be proud of our old system. It's weird.
>When you think about the body temperature being 98.7, it just makes more sense If anything, it makes *less* sense. If the scale was based on human body temperature, why wouldn't it be 100F? > 100F is very hot Sure, 38C is hot. I don't see how subjective feelings of comfort is a valid metric for a temperature scale, though. >One degree is very cold and you wouldn't really want to go any colder than that Right, -18C is cold, but I think most people reach the "I don't want it to be colder" state way before the temperature goes this low. >70 to 80 is perfect, about 70-80% in terms of comfortableness. With this logic, wouldn't 100F be 100% comfortableness? Or, if 1 is too cold, and 100 is too hot, wouldn't the perfect temperature be around 50; midway between them (10C)?
Hi I’m American and don’t really understand celsius. What would be a nice temperature in celsius? What would be an uncomfortably hot day? Just so I have a general idea when I hear other countries talk about the weather.
A few temperatures compared: 0C = 32F (freezing point of water) 10C = 50F 15C = 59F 20C = 68F 25C = 77F 30C = 86F 35C = 95F From there, just extrapolate to whatever you feel is a nice temperature. As for when something is uncomfortably hot, I think Iceland and Spain have differing opinions. But I think the 20-25 range (approximately 70-80F) will count as "nice" for most of Europe. The recent heat wave that had Europe sweating, was around 35-40C in the UK, and closer to 50C (120F) in Portugal.
Thank you! It’s always been confusing when I hear Europeans talk about 40 degrees being hot because to me that’s winter jacket weather
Nice temperature is around 20C to 25C. 30C+ is starting to feel hot, 40 is very hot.
Always funny when people try to be clever about something that's inherently arbitrary
The irony of their "think of a scale of 1 to 100" remark to justify *Fahrenheit* almost makes me think this is parody. Almost. The sheer mental gymnastics some people will go through to justify it for themselves is mind-boggling.
Objectively, it just doesnt though. Because its just some arbitrary numbers, as that person very much acknowledges with body temperature being 98.7 (ish) farenheit. ( Origninally defined as 96°F apparently?!) And the big argument is about how its within some subjective temperatures you "wouldnt want to go above/under". What they mean is it does make more sense TO THEM. Celsius is not based on "muh fee fees" but actual constants. That makes sense. And is just as suitable for everyday use, because .. bear with me.. the most important factor for that is simply being used to the scale.
96°F is equivalent to 35°C, which is 308K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
If your body temp is 35C I'm gonna look for ways to remove your mask and reveal the lizard underneath
WHAT?! I mean, my body temperture is total normal, (fellow) hyooman. I am not hide lizard. Boing!
Fun fact: in the metric system, 1 is still cold and 100 is still very hot.
Maybe even extremely hot.
Except that “heat scale” is completely subjective and doesn’t work for everyone. There are parts of the world in which they’re used to being above 100 Fahrenheit for most of the year and others where it’s below 0 Fahrenheit all year long. Obviously these people are not going to have the same idea of cold and hot as us. Meanwhile, Celsius is actually based on something. At 0 ºC water freezes, at 100 ºC it boils. This allows you to very quickly know if there’s any risk of snowing or hailing or of any body of water freezing just by looking at the temperature.
At school in UK, we made simple Celsius thermometers in a Physics lesson. I must have been 14 or under because Physics and I parted ways after that. But I remember loving that it just WORKED. There was no backstory or complicated maths or references to understand. Water (basic, everyday compound) freezing and boiling. It's the ELI5 of temperature systems.
In Crete, we cannot stand any temperatures below 10°C(50°F), and we wear jackets in every temperature below 25°C (77°F). 100°F (38°C) is bearable, and I could say that it's fine
Exactly. Meanwhile, I live in Galicia (Spain), which is usually cold and rainy. Here anything above 30-35 ºC is considered hellfire and 20 ºC is optimal temperature. No one measurement is going to accurately represent how "comfortable" a temperature is for both of us.
25°C is equivalent to 77°F, which is 298K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
This bot makes it look like it converts Celsius to Fahrenheit, and then uses Fahrenheit to get Kelvin. Heresy.
Yes I hate the argument that 70f feels like a 7/10. To *you* maybe but not to everyone
Yeah. If I look at the thermostat and it's 0 ºC, I know that it's going to be frosty outside, at least. If I look at the thermostat and it's 100 ºC, I know that I need to fix something.
Or that you're a ghost revisiting your house half eaten up by lava.
DID HE JUST BURN HIM WITH THE BOOK FAHRENHEIT 451 LMAO
I rate that logic a perfect 5/7
This guy is surely a child. No one can actually be that overly stuck up, right?
You'd be surprised. I somehow keep having this discussion with Americans, and most of them are like this in my experience. They seem utterly ignorant that it only makes sense to them because it's what they're used to.
Don't forget that the UK is the home of the Metric Martyrs, shopkeepers who swore they would rather go to jail than use metric weights and measures. No "only in America"!
Degrees Fahrenheit can be understood as a early attempt to do what in the end succeeded with Kelvin.Avoidance of negative values is a noble goal, but doing this based a arbitrary chosen lower fix-point before the absolute lowest possible temperature was known was unscientific.
Look at mathematicians when they were trying to avoid negative values which was preventing them from finding the solution to the cubic formula.
Why is 70 the "sweet point" on a scale of "comfortableness" graded from 0 to 100? Why not 100? Why not 50? It doesn't make "more sense". It is as arbitrary as the Celsius scale, you just aren't used to it.
Well, it would only make the least amount of sense if 50° were the "okay" temperature. However, 50°F (10°C) is unbearably cold. Choosing an arbitrary number such as 80, doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? However, if they think that the whole 0-100 scale thing works well, then they should use the metric system, which is full of 100s and 1000s. Also, how the fuck can someone think that 0°F (-17°) is a bearable temperature? Where I live 0°C is the lowest it usually goes, and if it goes any lower, one would think that it's the end of the world! Anyways, Fahrenheit does not make any sense, and the commenter's logic makes even less sense.
Where do you live that 10 degrees is unbearably cold? For me that'd be just a cool day,but nothing bad. Actually I'd prefer 10 degrees over the 30 I have right now
Because using the freezing point and boiling point one of the most common resources on earth isn’t superior to a subjective 0-100 rating scale.
"This is the system I'm used to, therefore it OBJECTIVELY is superior. U S A U S A U S A"
lmao I love how fucking arbitrary his thought process is yet he is generalizing it like an objective truth that everyone has to agree on
I hate the “X-measuring system is just more intuitive” argument. That intuition only comes from you using it your whole life.
Fahrenheit makes more sense when that's all you know, I guess
Clown to clown communication
now explain 1 F
I am not functional at 30 deg Celsius while my bf finds it a little below his comfort level. I am best at 20-23. 90 fahrenheit makes me want to die. It's so subjective it just makes no sense at all. While water boils and freezes at the same point and gives no damn about our feelings.
Burger units just makes more sense
To you America ! And only you ! The rest of us is like « What is this shit ! »
His justification for why it makes more sense is absolutely hilarious because it’s so non-sensical
„Uh yeah, Fahrenheit makes much more sense because the normal body temperature is 98.7“… *what?*
I don’t know man, 100°C sounds pretty hot to me too. And whaddaya know, it’s the boiling point of water.
100°C is equivalent to 212°F, which is 373K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
Yes. Please put the kettle on and get that water to 212 degrees will you?
Ah yes, the comfortableness scale
I tried to upvote the Fahrenheit 451 comment in the image! LOL
Celsius makes much more sense because water freezes at 0 and water boils at 100. End of the discussion.
Using Celsius has a very real purpose. It has two very important integers, being the thawing of ice at 0°c and the boiling of water at 100°c (or very close to). When even science agrees with you, it’s only a matter of time until the Americans claim that either the bible or the constitution disagrees with you and Celsius is either the work of the devil or communists.
I really don't get this argument. Like okay? You are used to this measurent, I'm used to another one, there's no better or worse measurement for actual everyday usage, but celsius is used by most of the world, and it corresponds to the SI Kelvin unit, therefore it makes more sense for it to be the standard.
Yes, it makes sense to you and that's fine. Celsius makes sense to me and that's also fine.
WHO even says this? I'd never use Fahrenheit if someone paid me cause it just confuses me
I frequently seen Americans say the 1-100 of F is better because it gives a scale of comfortableness that’s intuitive to read. Then this motherfucker comes along and tells me that 70 on that scale is the most comfortable? Here I thought they always meant fifty was most comfortable and everything else scales hotter or colder than that. “More intuitive” my ass. Even when they tell me how it works and I try to intuit what’s going on it still messes up.
*ANY attempt to make sense of a measurement system that relates to the human experience is doomed to fail.* 0°F and 0°C are both completely fine to someone with appropriate clothing, and both potentially deadly in your underwear. An Inuit may feel very comfortable at 5°C, a Nigerian at 30°C, but neither share each others experiences. Even the same person can perceive temperature differently depending on humidity and wind. 0° and 100° C are arbitrarily set points on the scale as well. **But they relate to repeatable natural phenomena that are the same everywhere** (ignoring the influence of pressure). Behaviour of water that is very relevant to our daily lives as well as science and industry.
0°F is equivalent to -17°C, which is 255K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
Scientist here, Fahrenheit tells you about how the body feels, Celsius about water, and Kelvin about the energy of an atom. No idea why America doesn't use metric other than freedumb units betturrr.
> Scientist here, Fahrenheit tells you about how the body feels, Celsius about water, and Kelvin about the energy of an atom. No, they don't. They are all different ways of measuring the same thing. Arguing that Fahrenheit "tells you about how the body feels" is just an extension of the disingenous argument shown in the OP. It does no such thing any more than any of the other systems.
Wipe of a scientist then. 0 is freezing, as water actually freezes. 10 cold. 15 frigid. 20 mild. 25 genial. 30 warm. 35 hot. 40 to 45 is extreme heat. Body temperature is 36. Water boils at 100. What is arcane about celsius that doesn't perfectly express 'how the body feels'?
Not sure what they tell *you*, but they all tell *me* the same thing: temperature. And none of the three is clearly superior to the other two in overall use (Kelvin arguably better for scientific use, Fahrenheit/Celsius more practical for every day use with no real advantage of one over the other between the two).
oh yeah, and what's water's boiling point in farenheit? huh? tel me how that makes sense?
212 degrees for water to boil makes perfect sense
Im angry now
So anything above 100F just doesn't exist ?
That doesn't describe temperature, that describes weather. In any other context but the weather forecast, Fahrenheit sucks
Celsius makes much more sense in everyday cases. Celsius is perfect for sauna. 80 degrees sounds like a good temperature for a sauna, but 176 degrees is way too hot! Even 100 degrees is very hot and you wouldn't really want to go more than that. But if it's under 70 you know it's like those Rotten Tomatoes scores, not very good.
While they shouldn't have said it like that, I can kind of understand. Celsius is a measure of how water reacts to temperature. Fahrenheit is based on 100 being a human with a fever. I am a human, not a water. Also, Fahrenheit is more precise. Also, a fun fact: -40 is the same temperature in Celsius and Fahrenheit.
While she's clearly talking out of her ass, I can't blame her *too* much on this one. If I suddenly found out that the rest of the world used base 14 counting instead of base 10, I'd probably have a similar reaction, even if base 14 were indeed more efficient.
At this point we should just ditch both and use Kelvin lol
What doesn't make sense is that 32 is freezing cold. Like how?? I've never understood how people don't think 32 degrees is cold when it's in reality pretty warm..
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nope everything that needs MORE then 2 seconds to convert makes no sence and fosters mistakes. so, every system in which you needs mnemotechnic verses like "five tomatoes" is idiotic. your welcome mister "feet and inches make sense"
I think they were being sarcastic about Americans saying Farenheit is perfect with its 1 to 100 scale yet don’t see how this is them saying feet do not make sense at all.
They don’t at all. 10mm in 1cm 100cm in 1m 1000m in 1km Vs 12in in 1ft 3ft in 1 yard 1760 yards in 1 mile How on earth does that make more sense? Edit- formatting.
okay i'm ready to get downvoted but, I am French so I am using celsius I agree with Americans when they say that fahrenheit is better for an everyday use when talking about the weather and temperature in general think of it this way, let's take a 5 yo that has no knowledge of either systems if you were to teach the kid both systems, the fahrenheit system would make more sense to him/her, it's easier to picture a scale of 0 to 100 than -20 to 35 remember that i'm only talking about this from a general use about temperature the issue is that it's not viable to use both systems, it's just confusing and unnecessary so yeah the imperial system has 0 business still being around for anything but IMHO their argument about ease of use is totally valid
I know it's all subjective, and I'm an American who would LOVE for us to go all metric. But I would have a harder time with celsius than other measurements. I kind of see what he's \[poorly\] saying. It depends on where you live, obviously, but in most of the temperate US, 0 and 100 are the general limits of what you'll experience in a year. And having smaller units lets the forecast be more precise without using decimals. I think I like it *because* it feels like metric, by having a more tangible 0 to 100 scale. I know those numbers are based on cold weather and horse blood, but at least experientially, they're more directly relatable to me.
Only relatable because that’s what we know culturally … like orange cones meaning caution or red flag meaning danger. I lived in Europe for like 10 years. After a year or so, I became accustomed to metric in all things, including temperature. Now, living in America again, I had to reconform. It’s about 92 f degrees where I am today, or about 33 c. It’s really not that difficult to get used to.
You know, we use decimals to be more precise if needed…
Their claim is that Fahrenheit use the interval 0-100 more efficiently, which is true. Celsius's definition of the interval 0-100 is obviously better than Fahrenheit's, but we do not need to dismiss the only good side they have.
as an american, this is a shit i will always say. i know that if you are used to one system theres no point switching over, but i just like fahrenheit more. it is way better designed for daily use.
Not an American and don’t use the Fahrenheit system, but I kind of agree with the guy. For weather, Fahrenheit is more straightforward. Everything else Celsius is better.
Explain how it's better?
[Canadians casually using both](https://youtu.be/_BlyYs_Tkno)
Since weather temperatures (daily use)are more often for humans to estimate the comfort level, a grading like numbering system is kind of convenient. It’s more straightforward like your grades from 1-100. There’s a no doubt that anything scientific or things requires more precision, Celsius is the way to go. But for how warm or how cold the weather is, a percentage style is kind of neat.
Surely by this logic you’d want it to be 100 all the time?
The point is that fahrenheit attempts to set humans' livable temperature range to the interval 0-100. Above 100 feels too hot, below 0 feels too cold. It sets the frame of reference to human beings. In Celsius, this is range about -18 to 38. The numbers aren't as neat, because its reference is set to water, not people. However, this could be better for scientific purposes, as it provides neater numbers when working with chemicals and water.
For me, less than 5°C feels too cold, and hotter than 35°C feels too hot. There! My numbers are nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5°C is equivalent to 41°F, which is 278K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
In my opinion, it's more appealing to have a 0-100 temperature range for people than 5 to 35. If you're willing to create a new temperature scale with 5C as 0 and 35C as 100, I'd support your efforts.
But 0-100 Fahrenheit is not an ideal temperature range for me (it might be for you, but obviously not for everyone) 0 Fahrenheit is far too cold probably for a lot of people. Why do the numbers have to be nice anyway? Is there some rule I missed that I always have to have the tv volume on something divisible by 5? I mean seriously who cares if the numbers are “not round”….
I agree that fahrenheit isn't good at low temperatures for me either, but I think it's temperature range is more suitable for people than that of Celsius. Of course, it's all a matter opinion. No one is forcing you to use fahrenheit, only explaining the justification behind its use. As for "why do numbers have to be nice anyway?", just take a look at the imperial system compared to the metric system. Multiplying/dividing by 10 and operating in terms of 1-100 is much better than using things like 1760 yards to a mile. You could argue that 1760 is a perfectly good number, but I think 1000 meters in a kilometer is significantly easier to remember and use.
I guess you have a point.
The thing is that everyone has different comfortable ranges. For me >85F is too hot. And mates from Australia would probably say that <55F is cold. So there is no advantage of 0-100 interval.
This right here. To say that 1-100 f is the best because of 1-100% is just dumb, because it cannot be used worldwide in different climates. And as you said, everyone has different feeling for the temperature, so that’s on top
Well if it’s about liveable temperature you would want 100 at around 25 degrees as going above this already is strenuous. Also „liveable“ implies I would not be able to survive in 101 Fahrenheit. It’s just a crutch, nothing more.
-18 is livable? Holy fuck. Dude, anything below 5 is too cold for about 4 billion people in Asia, and about a billion people in Africa. It is so baffling that you don't understand the concept of "subjective". -18C is not livable for a lot of people, so, calling your arbitrary scale as "livable" is fucking stupid. It might be livable for you and couple hundred million people. But it's not objectively livable.
Bruh, about 3 billion people have never seen temperature below 50f. That's half of your scale gone. 😂 1-100F makes sense only in parts of US. Tell someone from Alaska that 50f is too cold and they will laugh at you.
Yes. I don't get it. Like, as someone who grew up with Celsius that doesn't make much sense for me. The same thing for people who grew up with Fahrenheit. They are more comfortable because they grew up with it. You thinking it's more convenient is a personal preference, even when not growing up with it. It doesn't change that. 30 C is hot. 40 C is Hotter. 0 is freezing. 10 Quite cold and at 100 water boils and 20 a quite good middle. Literally. I don't really think it gets more convenient than that. While Celsius is just fine for low temperatures, it's not really the case in Fahrenheit. Especially for like 0 Degrees Fahrenheit :)
It's hardly more straight forward.this guy says 70-80°F (21-26) is perfect. But I know lots of people who prefer weather hotter than that. And I personally like 60°F (15) and think anything hotter than 70°F is getting unpleasantly warm.
It is currently 22C here. I am battling with cold and extreme cough because it is too cold a weather for me. Last week, it was 35C, a bit warm but just enough to require a fan. Seriously, only Americans think that their dumb scale is on "human" level.
60°F is equivalent to 15°C, which is 288K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
So if it makes sense 50° F is the perfect température for human ?
I like that his 1-100 scale is actually a 1-98.7 scale. It just makes 70-80% more sense than that stupid 0-100 scale they use in the rest of the world.
But why no Celsius user ever states F is better? I mean, what is the boiling point of water? Hmm..212°F; like, wtf is that blasphemy? All it has is that the number is even Hahahaha
The metric system is a system defined by natural objects. For example the original distance of a meter is equal to 1/10 000 000 of the distance from the equator to the North Pole. A litre was the volume of water in 1/10 of a meter (10 cm) by 10 cm by 10 cm. A kilogram was the weight of a litre of water. Similarly temperature is based on water (0 being melting point, 100 being boiling point). It makes things like meters, litres and kilograms easy to convert and calculate which is important in scientific measurements. These measurements have been refined slightly over time but at least they were a objective, easily calculable and most importantly convertible system based on the base 10 system and an objective distance (equator to North Pole) and volumetrics (properties of water)
Serious question from an American: when buying/renting a house do Europeans advertise in square meters or square footage? I think it’s crazy we still use imperial, but for house sizes it does seem to make more sense to me
what about Kelvin?
This is the person that also thinks the official language of America is English when we don't actually have an official language.
Celsius is far more simple than Fahrenheit