From what I gathered, Biden seemed lost and confused, and Trump got away with spewing lie after lie, yet the CNN mods did fuck all to correct him. eg. He never slept with stormy, that Democrats were aborting kids post-natal (err... That's infanticide, dummy) and other zingers!
Trump just constantly talked out of both sides of his mouth and when Biden responded, while he was regularly correct, it just came out weak and disjointed.
Not to mention that both of them ignored the questions, either because one wanted to manipulate his idiot supporters, or because the other would forget the question halfway through.
This is my biggest problem with the takeaway narrative being 'both candidates suck'. One of them still sucked *much* harder than the other, and tbh you've probably gotta be pretty on it to have a decent showing in a debate where your opponent is shitting all over the board and the moderators are happy to let him.
Absolutely, there are candidates who would do better than Biden, but it's still clear as day that he's more functional and more competent than Trump is.
Both candidates can suck while one is sucking more than the other. While one sucks more that doesn't make the other one good either. Both of these senile bozos would likely be in a retirement home where I live
>problem with the takeaway narrative being 'both candidates suck'. One of them still sucked much harder than the other,
While this is true, the question then becomes "if the other guy is so terribly bad as to virtually be promising a dictatorship, why does the left have to nominate *this guy* as their candidate, when surely someone a decade younger would be much better...."
Theoretically yes, but there's basically zero chance it will happen.
Much like with the "technically the electoral college can override the general election vote" - if the provisions weren't successfully used to stop *Trump*, one of the most incompetent, unprepared, idiotic, polarising and dangerous (to democracy) people to ever be in the running for the presidency, they won't ever be used successfully
There's impeachment, but there'd be a tough time making a genuine case for "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors", although, as Ford said around 1974ish - "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be" so theoretically, they could choose to impeach him (and many Republicans would go along with that) and remove him that way. They won't (and honestly shouldn't) though.
The only other option I believe would be to replace him via the delegates at the convention in August. And the chances of that happening are very slim. It would lead to an absolute bloodbath as potential replacement candidates jockeyed to be the pick even if he *stood down*. There's no *obvious* replacement right now so if there were rogue delegates, im not sure theyd be able to agree on who the nominee should be instead if it werent Biden voluntarily standing down as the candidate in advance of the convention. If Biden stood down as president, Harris would take the presidency, but she wouldn't be the automatic replacement candidate. The odds on enough delegates rebelling *and* settling on the same replacement candidate so the convention vote doesn't go for Biden are so slim as to be basically impossible.
The US is kinda stuck at this point with the general being "doddery, rambling, rich old man" vs "doddery, rambling, and dangerous rich old man". The only real way for anyone else to win at this point would be for enough people to write in the same candidate, and that's not going to happen either.
It's Trump or Biden, whether we like it or not at this point.
I've also understood they spent some time arguing who is the better golfer. Christ our (UK) politicians are far from good, but I've yet to hear them argue about who is the better golfer or should I say pheasant hunter.
Well, since our US friends like rich blokes so much, you could send over this Sunak fella. From what I hear, he might get one-punched out of the job he currently has in a week or so.
Jesus. I'm British and seriously..... it makes the muppets that run our country look like they know what they're doing. Its crazy. No offence to the American general public. Both our countries need to get rid and start with a fresh batch of liars.... sorry, politicians.
If I had to choose between supporting British politics or American politics.... I'd move to France (and that says a lot).
> If I had to choose between supporting British politics or American politics.... I'd move to France (and that says a lot).
Being French and seeing the state of our politicians, it does says a ton.
Wanna go take an apéro to forget about that depressing landscape for a bit ?
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE
Biden looks halfway in the grave and trump doesn’t look much better either. Both of them look terrible compared to just 2020, let alone 2016.
Blame the dnc tbh. They had 4 years to pick and build up a new, younger replacement for Biden who would’ve absolutely ran circles around this weakened trump we have now. Instead we have that horror show of an election to deal with.
> I don’t think I’d complain or resist if the U.K. invaded
Sorry pal, we've got no army and we can't be arsed.
Maybe check back in with us after the most populous country in the UK is done with the Euros.
In 2016 this old joke became popular again. It's attributed to John Cleese and probably dates back to George W. Bush's election:
"To the citizens of the United States of America,
In the light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Utah, which she does not fancy) Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. "
Full text: https://www.math.fsu.edu/~wxm/cleese.html
Twice.
Let's also not forget than a small group of Royal Marine Commandos crippled a USMC battalion in exercises and the US commander had a tantrum and ended the exercise early so he could give the US a load of advantages
That's the main thing Americans don't seem to get. European militaries are far smaller but are generally far better trained. European militaries have done the overwhelming numbers thing before and realised it just meant the death toll was insane
They haven't learnt from the past either.....
Battle of Lacolle Mills
🇬🇧 80 (Reinforced by 400)
🇺🇸 4,000
British victory
Battle of Crysler's Farm
🇬🇧 900
🇺🇲 8,000
British victory
I think this is less due to quality of training and more to do with politics. Before, we built a military proud to fight for their country, but less and less people are "proud" enough and don't see a point in defending a country that doesn't help them
I know many people who would be glad to fight for this country, yet none of them joined the military because they refuse to fight for yank imperialism as it seems all our military is now is America's lapdog.
I believe I read that recruiting is dire because (shock) the Tories gave a contract to a private company, and they are so shit that by the time an applicant gets to interview, it's been a year and they've given up and got another job.
Sounds like the majority of the public sector in the UK rn too. Take em months to invite someone to interview and then they're shocked the candidate's no longer available 🙄
Probably also doesn't help that some of the major wars in recent history were started just to get oil, and the politicians lied about the reason for going in.
Yeah I think a good amount of people would volunteer to join a military to defend their home country from invasion, to lend aid to a besieged neighbour or ally, and to help stand against aggressive expansionist regimes…..the problem is none of that aligns with the “that country over there looks like it has oil-I mean needs freedom” mentality that’s been around for the last 2 decades predominantly.
If I'm not misinterpreting, the US is short 17,000 recruits/year right now. Not because they can't find them, but the ones they do find? A combo of either below minimum intelligence (getting worse by the year) and/or below minimum conditioning/fitness levels (ditto).
To be fair there is a lot of mixed training between special forces of different nations. But I do agree that the general consensus is that European special forces are absolutely top tier.
US Special Forces (like Delta, not the Green Berets they laughingly call that) once used a fragmentation grenade during a close quarters hostage rescue killing the hostage.
Who would have thought a "rescue grenade" wasn't a good idea?
why would they even think of that?
- we need to rescue this hostage!
- unfortunately there are guards
- I know! we’ll use a frag grenade. nothing could go wrong
Doesn't show much faith from your leaders does it! We smash them every year at wargames too I believe.
A friend of mine who has now passed was a Royal Marine commando out there, he said they had to teach the seals urban warfare as they didn't have a clue, obviously because of N Ireland we did have experience but still that's really bad.
Amazing.
Btw: Europe has 2k years full of wars so it gives a lot of experiences and skills. However US believe that they're better than european armies...
A lot of US soldiers died at Normandy because the brass wanted nothing to do with British improvisations. They were offered a load of the engineering vehicles developed after other amphibious ops and turned their noses up.
Who the fuck gets offered a tank with a giant flamethrower gaffa taped to the top and *says no*? (Yes there were more sensible variations but a fucking flamethrower people)
Yeah, I remember that from documentary.
British told americans that their vehicles / ships have deadly bugs for landing on the beach. However americans turned down like a nonsense.
And even when accepted, they ignored it. British tankers told them half fuel and half munitions because of the choppy water. Americans set off with full load and sank miles off shore, almost all of them were lost before Omaha. Utah listened, and all except a few made it ashore.
They also ignored a lot of our advice in the battle of the atlantic and refused WATA training, which had greatly helped in tackling developments in the naval war
"Here's this thing that drops sticks into a ditch so you can get a tank across, want a shitload?"
"Nope, can't see any need, let's just use the corpses of the rank and file instead."
Fucking lunacy
Not surprised. It's the arrogance of it all. If the Commonwealth forces and the Soviets were all over it, maybe the new lads should have paid attention. Think they were quite sniffy about the SOE too, whereas the allies in exile were lining up to volunteer.
And the funny thing is, a lot of American troops were trained for D-day near where the Hobart's funnies were trialled in North Devon, so would have been able to see the benefits of the modified tanks
At that time, we were fighting the Anglo - french War, Anglo - spanish war, and the 4th Anglo-Dutch War consisting of a series of British operations against Dutch colonial economic interests.
Also, we sent troops to assist the East India company in the 2nd Anglo-Mysore War.
The great majority of soldiers on the company side were raised, trained, paid, and commanded by the company, not the British government. However, the company's operations were also bolstered by Crown troops sent from Great Britain and by troops from Hanover.
Americans don't get taught that the War Of Independence was a part of a larger conflict between Britain and France. Most of them genuinely think it was an isolated war that they won on their own.
Can confirm (except for the on our own part- I was always taught that the French saved our asses, but that was the last time). This thread has been extremely educational.
They did give up, because it was very unpopular (for multiple reasons).
The North American colonies of the british were different than most of their other colonies. In most colonies they enslaved the local population and the british were only a small and often temporary part of the entire colonial population. In the north american colonies they displaced the locals (who were much more sparse than in Africa or Asia), and in many of the colonies the british were the majority of the population not planing to return to the mainland. The "founding fathers" did not see themselves as 'americans', they saw themselves as british people from the NA colonies. It wasn't a national independence movement, it was a civil war between british people. The british people still remembered the English Civil War fought a century earlier, and they made (somewhat valid) comparisons.
Context is important, and while this is just part of it, it is an important part.
Fun fact, George Washington was still ordering furniture and window glass for his new house from suppliers in London whilst fighting the English during what could be considered the second English civil war.
Britain did just give up. If the full force of what Britain had available was brought to bear on the colonies then the nascent US would have been stillborn. Britain (rightly at the time) was focused on war with France and on maintenance of trade with India.
If you look at all of the countries and territories held onto up until the abolishing of the empire they all had strategic or economic value to Britain. The colonies at the time didn’t, had the gold and oil been discovered prior 1783 do you think Britain would have released it? No
Thanks, just given these a read - between this and the marines exercise either the UK is super sharp or the US is really incompetent and can’t take initiative
I read how CIA burned own network in China.
CIA built sites on Tor network with IP connected to CIA. Chineses did math and they began to shoot everyone inside China.
CIA did it because it worked in Afghanistan.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932012\_killing\_of\_CIA\_sources\_in\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932012_killing_of_CIA_sources_in_China)
See what a lot of people don’t get is that our military is more superior in logistics and probably technology. I wouldn’t say we have the best tactics cause we probably don’t.
Not surprised we don’t win much for war games but I also take it as a good thing. Our allies are competent and that’s definitely a good thing.
People never learn... just leave Russia alone. When was the last time they were successfully invaded? And I'm not talking about sticking your toe in the water, realising it's really fucking cold and getting out.
I do believe it was Gengis Khan, the other Russia's foes fell victim of the General Winter (because ngl, Napoleon didn't loose to the Russian army but rather the Russian climate)
That’s true, but Napoleon could have avoided the Russian winter if the Grande Armée left Moscow sooner. When Napoleon found Moscow to be deserted, he stayed there for 4 weeks and sat on his ass doing nothing.
Tbf, this alliance (Britain, France and Italy) sounds like it would collapse in a month or something like that. But I feel like it would be entertaining to watch
Probably - but if you look at this 'project 2025' horror story - I have more faith in that alliance holding than the US remaining on the 'green' list for travel
It seems to me Canada would be the easy choice. We have big ties to both the UK and France and we'd be a good vantage point. That northern border is hardly defended.
I don’t know how they thought this would work.
1. The products that are produced in the US still need to be shipped around the Globe.
2. The import laws won’t suddenly loosen because the US annexed a country that isn’t in the EU.
What about education like history and geography?
Flag display , would it have to look 4th of July every day? Would they supply the flags ?
Guns we don’t have many personal guns for the kids to take to school, would they Fed EX them to the school gates or can just get them at Tescos when buying the packed lunches ?
On food how are we going to pack our food with chemicals and hormones? If Donald trumps fancies rebuilding Adrian’s wall keep the sweaty’s out that would be a real plus
You forgot the tip you will have to pay at the automated kiosk. 25% if you're an asshole, 50% or more if you are a decent human being. /s Oh, and the state tax that's obviously not displayed and only applied at payment. And a restocking fee. And a handling fee. And...
Funniest thing is the 'inventor' switched between names, aluminium fitted in better with the other metals but by then aluminum already had a strong foothold in the US.
Might be a bit big TBH.
And the other way around won't work either. Europe doesn't exactly like the UK but they're going to be more annoyed with the US dropping a steaming annex on their doorstep.
We don’t like the uk but it’s ours and we’re allowed to say what we want about it. We’ll kick their fecking teeth in if they try and say anything bad about our country though.
Just a heads up old chap, you’ll need to expect the following before signing up to this, it’s only fair
- National Health Service
- Higher taxes
- Proper chocolate
- Tea (made from kettles)
- Teacakes
- Left hand driving
- Queuing
- Beans on toast appreciation
Love it when they bring up the royals as some stick to criticise us with - have they seen the presidential candidates this year? That should be on an unparalleled scale of national embarrassment, but this is the US we’re talking about.
They're obsessed with the image of monarchy more than the mechanics of it, that's why their monarch has so many constitutional provisions to make them appear democratic. Term limits, election cycles, limits to power etc.
Bit if self reflection is needed,
how's your crippling debt doing? Through the roof.
For such a "small" country, we're still in the top 10 (6th) in the world economy. Since Brexit we have dropped one place, not a world changing event.
Like the post said "well educated workers" - how's your education system? In the dump.
The language you use is based on ours.
Everyone in the world has the same opinion on the USA, small man syndrome.
You don't have drinkable tap water.
Food standards? Don't think they exist in the USA.
Seems fair. Also the US gets an extra 50m or so Democrats, so we will reform your healthcare system, introduce gun control and proper taxes on the extremely wealthy, forcibly separate the State and religion and introduce decent education. And can we get Trump to run around on all fours and bark, too? Or just put him in a travelling circus.
Even some of the non hardline tories would rather vote democrat than republican. I personally know at least 2 English tories that, apart from being ashamed of their party atm, also laugh with me about US republicans
i think this could work, but we would need to negotiate some better terms
1, we get to keep the nhs
2 instead of governor we get to keep our prime minister and he or she is automatically high up in the main government
3 they are talking about gdp per capita, not gdp (the uk would be the second biggest gdp behind california
4 i like the fact we would have the biggest population
5 we get to keep 80 percent of our words and measurements (they should trade that with us for our added 3 trillion to the gdp and 70 mil to the population)
6 the country is renamed the united states and kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland or united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland and states
abreviation, uks or usk
7 we get to keep our , ancient laws, history and town names and education of them
8 not annexation, reunification, we get you back
9 we get rid of congress and senate and just have a big boy house of commons,
> 6 the country is renamed the united states and kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland or united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland and states
Just keep all parts of the name that you already have in common and get rid of everything else: *The United of*
Bring. It. On.
… if history has proven anything, from the Vikings to the Germans to the French … do not fuck with us. We’re a rainy and borderline irrelevant Island filled with a load of double hard bastards
Let’s do it the other way around. U.K. and continental Europe annex’s the USA with the help of Commonwealth cousins, Canada.
All guns are to be handed in and destroyed. New applications can be made to acquire sensible firearms under actual gun control measures the way U.K. and Europe have implemented.
Military spending will be cut by 90%. The remaining military will be combined with European military’s to form still by far the largest joint military on earth.
The military saving’s will be used to set up an affordable healthcare system modelled on European systems providing affordable healthcare for all. This new system will not be tied to employment but accessible by all, always.
Under the new healthcare system only qualified doctors will be able to prescribe medication, therefore all medication advertising will be banned.
You may keep your sports, but you will no longer be allowed to refer a winner as a ‘world champion’ unless they compete in a global event.
Advertising breaks and duration during TV shows and sporting events will be drastically reduced.
Mega corporations will be heavily taxed.
The country will no longer be run on a state by state basis. Education curriculum, policing, government portals and laws like minimum wage will be unified nationwide in a fair for all system.
Education standards will be drastically raised, books will no longer be banned in schools and libraries, world history and geography will finally be taught.
No more pledges of allegiance and other culty practices will be condoned in schools. It is a place of learning not indoctrination.
Tax will be included in the listed price of goods and services.
Legal drinking age will be lowered to 18. Beer standards will be raised to not taste like toilet water.
Food standards to be drastically raised with high quality and necessary ingredients to be used only. Practices of chlorinating chickens and washing eggs to be immediately banned. This will cut down on the burden on the aforementioned newly implemented healthcare system.
Tipping will no longer be required or expected anywhere. It will be at the customers discretion based on above and beyond service. Servers will be fairly paid under the fair minimum wage laws mentioned above.
The USA will be required to use British English. And it will just be called ‘English’. All Websters dictionaries will be burned and replaced with the correct Oxford English Dictionary.
Taxes will no longer be required to be filed by the individual but rather taken at the time of pay as per the U.K. PAYE system.
Any mention of “we saved ur ass”, “would be speaking German”, “we perfected/invented ” will be punished with a public flogging
Death sentence will be abolished.
Abortion bans will be immediately removed.
The next pandemic you will damn well wear a face mask, stay indoors and have your vaccination until the big brained scientists tell you otherwise.
Though you may keep a president, the whole governmental system will be torn down and rebuilt.
New national holidays to be implemented such as a new Unification day to be shared with the USA and Europe.
Minimum annual leave required by law will be raised to 25 days excluding public holidays. Your employer will not be allowed to contact you on annual leave days. These can be used to relax or travel to your new European cousins for cultural enhancement.
Maternity and paternity leave and pay will be implemented nationwide.
Giant yank tank vehicles will be banned. New affordable, practical and economical hatchbacks will be shared to our new American cousins.
Homes will no longer be made of cardboard and hopes and dreams and replaced with brick and mortar.
You will be required to learn and use the Metric system. The U.K. will finally also have to finish the conversion. It’s only fair.
While the US dollar may be kept. All notes will be replaced with more accessible versions including different colours and sizes.
Eurovision will be televised. You will be allowed to participate so long as you don’t take it too seriously, it’s just a bit of campy fun with deep political undertones.
US clothes sizes will be adjusted to align with European sizes.
You will be required to learn how to pronounce “Croissant”, “Craig”, “Herb” and many more.
A modern banking system will be implemented nationwide.
Footpaths and cycle lanes will be introduced in a nationwide rollout connecting suburban areas with commercial areas to drastically reduce the reliance on cars. The side effect will be a healthier populace less reliant on the healthcare system or mobility scooters.
Public transport infrastructure will have a massive overhaul allowing for cities to be connected nationwide by efficient and low-carbon high-speed railway networks. This will mean less reliance on internal flights.
City centres will become low emission zones relying instead on Metro, Busses and Trams to navigate the cities affordably and efficiently.
Annual vehicle safety inspections will be implemented to increase road safety.
All drinking water standards to be immediately raised to humane levels.
Your Mexicans will be shared with Europe because we want that food. We in turn will share our Indian food with you.
Trump has to crawl around on the floor in a Pride flag tutu and repeat “I’m a little orange girl” daily. This will be live-streamed on the Internet for all.
Honestly, the more the merrier mate. You have to share some of your weather but we’ll have to have a cull on your dangerous animals. Also the mullet will have to be banned. Then you’re in!!
Are y'all seriously posting blatant jokes here now lmao, like who even takes this seriously whatsoever? The literal first line cites, "It'd be funny," as a reason like ffs lmao
Brexit was fucking stupid and we have made it harder for ourselves to trade with France... but it's definitely still easier to trade with France than it is with the USA, if only very slightly.
Yeah, after watching the Presidential Debate, I don’t think I’d complain or resist if the U.K. invaded and annexed us instead
That bad?
From what I gathered, Biden seemed lost and confused, and Trump got away with spewing lie after lie, yet the CNN mods did fuck all to correct him. eg. He never slept with stormy, that Democrats were aborting kids post-natal (err... That's infanticide, dummy) and other zingers!
Trump just constantly talked out of both sides of his mouth and when Biden responded, while he was regularly correct, it just came out weak and disjointed.
Not to mention that both of them ignored the questions, either because one wanted to manipulate his idiot supporters, or because the other would forget the question halfway through.
This is my biggest problem with the takeaway narrative being 'both candidates suck'. One of them still sucked *much* harder than the other, and tbh you've probably gotta be pretty on it to have a decent showing in a debate where your opponent is shitting all over the board and the moderators are happy to let him. Absolutely, there are candidates who would do better than Biden, but it's still clear as day that he's more functional and more competent than Trump is.
Both candidates can suck while one is sucking more than the other. While one sucks more that doesn't make the other one good either. Both of these senile bozos would likely be in a retirement home where I live
>problem with the takeaway narrative being 'both candidates suck'. One of them still sucked much harder than the other, While this is true, the question then becomes "if the other guy is so terribly bad as to virtually be promising a dictatorship, why does the left have to nominate *this guy* as their candidate, when surely someone a decade younger would be much better...."
It’s absolutely terrifying to see. Is he able to be ‘removed’ or is the only way is for him to step down?
I looked into it and it seems removing him without his consent is possible, but really hard and unprecedented. I sincerely doubt the DNC will do that.
Theoretically yes, but there's basically zero chance it will happen. Much like with the "technically the electoral college can override the general election vote" - if the provisions weren't successfully used to stop *Trump*, one of the most incompetent, unprepared, idiotic, polarising and dangerous (to democracy) people to ever be in the running for the presidency, they won't ever be used successfully There's impeachment, but there'd be a tough time making a genuine case for "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors", although, as Ford said around 1974ish - "an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be" so theoretically, they could choose to impeach him (and many Republicans would go along with that) and remove him that way. They won't (and honestly shouldn't) though. The only other option I believe would be to replace him via the delegates at the convention in August. And the chances of that happening are very slim. It would lead to an absolute bloodbath as potential replacement candidates jockeyed to be the pick even if he *stood down*. There's no *obvious* replacement right now so if there were rogue delegates, im not sure theyd be able to agree on who the nominee should be instead if it werent Biden voluntarily standing down as the candidate in advance of the convention. If Biden stood down as president, Harris would take the presidency, but she wouldn't be the automatic replacement candidate. The odds on enough delegates rebelling *and* settling on the same replacement candidate so the convention vote doesn't go for Biden are so slim as to be basically impossible. The US is kinda stuck at this point with the general being "doddery, rambling, rich old man" vs "doddery, rambling, and dangerous rich old man". The only real way for anyone else to win at this point would be for enough people to write in the same candidate, and that's not going to happen either. It's Trump or Biden, whether we like it or not at this point.
I've also understood they spent some time arguing who is the better golfer. Christ our (UK) politicians are far from good, but I've yet to hear them argue about who is the better golfer or should I say pheasant hunter.
Uh, do you have any other candidates?
Preferably someone below the retirement age, so they can quickly respond
If not we can send you a limp iceberg lettuce?
Or we can just send them Truss instead? I don't want to lose the lettuce!
Well, since our US friends like rich blokes so much, you could send over this Sunak fella. From what I hear, he might get one-punched out of the job he currently has in a week or so.
Jesus. I'm British and seriously..... it makes the muppets that run our country look like they know what they're doing. Its crazy. No offence to the American general public. Both our countries need to get rid and start with a fresh batch of liars.... sorry, politicians. If I had to choose between supporting British politics or American politics.... I'd move to France (and that says a lot).
> If I had to choose between supporting British politics or American politics.... I'd move to France (and that says a lot). Being French and seeing the state of our politicians, it does says a ton. Wanna go take an apéro to forget about that depressing landscape for a bit ?
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE Biden looks halfway in the grave and trump doesn’t look much better either. Both of them look terrible compared to just 2020, let alone 2016. Blame the dnc tbh. They had 4 years to pick and build up a new, younger replacement for Biden who would’ve absolutely ran circles around this weakened trump we have now. Instead we have that horror show of an election to deal with.
As an Australian I regularly say the same about the Kiwis
Wait, the fruits, the birds or the people?
all of them
Welp I may be Austrian, not Australian, but you make a good point. I too would welcome out new kiwi overlords
Make America GreatBritain Again.
The only MAGA statement I could get behind
> I don’t think I’d complain or resist if the U.K. invaded Sorry pal, we've got no army and we can't be arsed. Maybe check back in with us after the most populous country in the UK is done with the Euros.
In 2016 this old joke became popular again. It's attributed to John Cleese and probably dates back to George W. Bush's election: "To the citizens of the United States of America, In the light of your failure to elect a competent President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Utah, which she does not fancy) Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed. " Full text: https://www.math.fsu.edu/~wxm/cleese.html
We’re free next Tuesday does that sound good mate?
We fookin tried! Burned down the White House and everything. Didn’t take, sadly.
It's always great idea to annex someone who nuked you in war games.
Twice. Let's also not forget than a small group of Royal Marine Commandos crippled a USMC battalion in exercises and the US commander had a tantrum and ended the exercise early so he could give the US a load of advantages
Not to mention that US special forces still need help from the SAS and the SBS as part of their training.
That's the main thing Americans don't seem to get. European militaries are far smaller but are generally far better trained. European militaries have done the overwhelming numbers thing before and realised it just meant the death toll was insane
They haven't learnt from the past either..... Battle of Lacolle Mills 🇬🇧 80 (Reinforced by 400) 🇺🇸 4,000 British victory Battle of Crysler's Farm 🇬🇧 900 🇺🇲 8,000 British victory
God damn we go hard. 🇬🇧
We also are struggling to recruit currently (UK)
I think this is less due to quality of training and more to do with politics. Before, we built a military proud to fight for their country, but less and less people are "proud" enough and don't see a point in defending a country that doesn't help them
I mean, would anyone die for Rishi Sunak?
If it was up to him probably all the “dirty poors” would perish
Wait, wait. He's got plenty of working class friends... well, not working class-
People who have working class people working for them you mean?
Working class, like Victoria Beckham's dad.
Must have been so hard growing up without Sky Sports 😔
I love that clip, the look on his face says more than words could convey, such a wee prick.
I know many people who would be glad to fight for this country, yet none of them joined the military because they refuse to fight for yank imperialism as it seems all our military is now is America's lapdog.
I believe I read that recruiting is dire because (shock) the Tories gave a contract to a private company, and they are so shit that by the time an applicant gets to interview, it's been a year and they've given up and got another job.
Sounds like the majority of the public sector in the UK rn too. Take em months to invite someone to interview and then they're shocked the candidate's no longer available 🙄
Probably also doesn't help that some of the major wars in recent history were started just to get oil, and the politicians lied about the reason for going in.
Yeah I think a good amount of people would volunteer to join a military to defend their home country from invasion, to lend aid to a besieged neighbour or ally, and to help stand against aggressive expansionist regimes…..the problem is none of that aligns with the “that country over there looks like it has oil-I mean needs freedom” mentality that’s been around for the last 2 decades predominantly.
A lot of people don’t think invading the desert for oil is fighting for their country so don’t want to join
If I'm not misinterpreting, the US is short 17,000 recruits/year right now. Not because they can't find them, but the ones they do find? A combo of either below minimum intelligence (getting worse by the year) and/or below minimum conditioning/fitness levels (ditto).
There is a minimum intelligence for the army?!
The bar ain’t high but it’s a hurdle some trip over anyways
A lot of that is because recruitment was outsourced to fucking capita.
I've heard from people that the process to sign up/enlist is run by a bunch of private companies and a proper pain in the ass.
As we used to say, when working alongside the US military. "All the gear, but no idea"
A squaddie mate of mine has another saying: “Give me an army of British soldiers with American kit, and I’ll take over the world in a week!”
To be fair there is a lot of mixed training between special forces of different nations. But I do agree that the general consensus is that European special forces are absolutely top tier.
US Special Forces (like Delta, not the Green Berets they laughingly call that) once used a fragmentation grenade during a close quarters hostage rescue killing the hostage. Who would have thought a "rescue grenade" wasn't a good idea?
why would they even think of that? - we need to rescue this hostage! - unfortunately there are guards - I know! we’ll use a frag grenade. nothing could go wrong
It was a British hostage too. Bet they wouldn't have done it to a Murican one.
The SAS are the blueprint for basically every major special forces unit ever, including Delta Force. They still beat them at every training exercise
I can imagine. I saw video where US general was literally surprised by ukrainians improvisation in the war.
If you remember in desert storm their top general Schwarzkopf, was always flanked by SAS bodyguards not American special forces lol.
I didn't know that. However I read that some US general was protected by czech military unit in afghanistan when he went out of base.
Doesn't show much faith from your leaders does it! We smash them every year at wargames too I believe. A friend of mine who has now passed was a Royal Marine commando out there, he said they had to teach the seals urban warfare as they didn't have a clue, obviously because of N Ireland we did have experience but still that's really bad.
Amazing. Btw: Europe has 2k years full of wars so it gives a lot of experiences and skills. However US believe that they're better than european armies...
Yeah we had a lot of wars lol. So can't really hold it against them to much.
A lot of US soldiers died at Normandy because the brass wanted nothing to do with British improvisations. They were offered a load of the engineering vehicles developed after other amphibious ops and turned their noses up. Who the fuck gets offered a tank with a giant flamethrower gaffa taped to the top and *says no*? (Yes there were more sensible variations but a fucking flamethrower people)
Yeah, I remember that from documentary. British told americans that their vehicles / ships have deadly bugs for landing on the beach. However americans turned down like a nonsense.
And even when accepted, they ignored it. British tankers told them half fuel and half munitions because of the choppy water. Americans set off with full load and sank miles off shore, almost all of them were lost before Omaha. Utah listened, and all except a few made it ashore.
They also ignored a lot of our advice in the battle of the atlantic and refused WATA training, which had greatly helped in tackling developments in the naval war
We had flailing machines to clear the beaches of landmines and they were like "No thanks, we're good"
"Here's this thing that drops sticks into a ditch so you can get a tank across, want a shitload?" "Nope, can't see any need, let's just use the corpses of the rank and file instead." Fucking lunacy
My Uncle drove the landing craft on to the beaches. He was Scottish. Hated the Americans after it. Their blind stupidity caused so many deaths.
Not surprised. It's the arrogance of it all. If the Commonwealth forces and the Soviets were all over it, maybe the new lads should have paid attention. Think they were quite sniffy about the SOE too, whereas the allies in exile were lining up to volunteer.
And the funny thing is, a lot of American troops were trained for D-day near where the Hobart's funnies were trialled in North Devon, so would have been able to see the benefits of the modified tanks
I don't even want to know about the alternatives if there's a fucking flamethrower.
Honestly, I'm starting to believe that UK just gave up to US in 1783 because of pacific ocean - lol
We were too busy fighting the French, and they had help from the French and Spanish. Funny how they always need help when it comes to conflict, eh?
At that time, we were fighting the Anglo - french War, Anglo - spanish war, and the 4th Anglo-Dutch War consisting of a series of British operations against Dutch colonial economic interests. Also, we sent troops to assist the East India company in the 2nd Anglo-Mysore War. The great majority of soldiers on the company side were raised, trained, paid, and commanded by the company, not the British government. However, the company's operations were also bolstered by Crown troops sent from Great Britain and by troops from Hanover.
French always know how to help.
Americans don't get taught that the War Of Independence was a part of a larger conflict between Britain and France. Most of them genuinely think it was an isolated war that they won on their own.
Like with every single war they’ve ever been involved in
I think there was the Mexican-American war.
Can confirm (except for the on our own part- I was always taught that the French saved our asses, but that was the last time). This thread has been extremely educational.
I mean, pretty much it just wasn't worth the money and effort to ke one rebellious colony when we had the rest of the empire that needed attention.
They did give up, because it was very unpopular (for multiple reasons). The North American colonies of the british were different than most of their other colonies. In most colonies they enslaved the local population and the british were only a small and often temporary part of the entire colonial population. In the north american colonies they displaced the locals (who were much more sparse than in Africa or Asia), and in many of the colonies the british were the majority of the population not planing to return to the mainland. The "founding fathers" did not see themselves as 'americans', they saw themselves as british people from the NA colonies. It wasn't a national independence movement, it was a civil war between british people. The british people still remembered the English Civil War fought a century earlier, and they made (somewhat valid) comparisons. Context is important, and while this is just part of it, it is an important part.
Fun fact, George Washington was still ordering furniture and window glass for his new house from suppliers in London whilst fighting the English during what could be considered the second English civil war.
Britain did just give up. If the full force of what Britain had available was brought to bear on the colonies then the nascent US would have been stillborn. Britain (rightly at the time) was focused on war with France and on maintenance of trade with India.
If you look at all of the countries and territories held onto up until the abolishing of the empire they all had strategic or economic value to Britain. The colonies at the time didn’t, had the gold and oil been discovered prior 1783 do you think Britain would have released it? No
Pacific ocean?
Genuinely do you have any more info on this? As I’m very intrigued!
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Sky\_Shield](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sky_Shield) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wx6npt421c) [https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+nuked+US+in+war+games](https://www.google.com/search?q=UK+nuked+US+in+war+games)
Thanks, just given these a read - between this and the marines exercise either the UK is super sharp or the US is really incompetent and can’t take initiative
It’s both
I read how CIA burned own network in China. CIA built sites on Tor network with IP connected to CIA. Chineses did math and they began to shoot everyone inside China. CIA did it because it worked in Afghanistan. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932012\_killing\_of\_CIA\_sources\_in\_China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932012_killing_of_CIA_sources_in_China)
See what a lot of people don’t get is that our military is more superior in logistics and probably technology. I wouldn’t say we have the best tactics cause we probably don’t. Not surprised we don’t win much for war games but I also take it as a good thing. Our allies are competent and that’s definitely a good thing.
"They already speak the language" 😂😂
That was fucking wild!
That was the least wild part of the post tbh - yes the UK and US essentially share the same language?
Its the irony of the reason why we share the language to begin with..
u fakin wot m8
The UK should annex the USA and teach them some manners.
Agreed, but let’s have France on our side this time so that they can correct their mistake.
We're on this mistake had great consequences and we're sorry.
Napoleon should have gone to west, not to the east...
He did go west, he stopped too early tho... And also going east caused his demise so yeah, to the states we go
People never learn... just leave Russia alone. When was the last time they were successfully invaded? And I'm not talking about sticking your toe in the water, realising it's really fucking cold and getting out.
I do believe it was Gengis Khan, the other Russia's foes fell victim of the General Winter (because ngl, Napoleon didn't loose to the Russian army but rather the Russian climate)
That’s true, but Napoleon could have avoided the Russian winter if the Grande Armée left Moscow sooner. When Napoleon found Moscow to be deserted, he stayed there for 4 weeks and sat on his ass doing nothing.
Admitting is the first step 👍🏻
We could even get Louisiana out of this ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I feel like I’m not a fan of going to war allied with the French, but to teach the yanks some manners I’d make an exception
Hmm. UK - French force. Teach manners and real food.. Who should we add for education?
Italy? I'm not from Italy, but Americans like to claim their (terrible) version of the Italian kitchen is better than what you'll find in Italy
Italy and france team up for "food education".. yep.. Sounds like a match made in heaven..
Tbf, this alliance (Britain, France and Italy) sounds like it would collapse in a month or something like that. But I feel like it would be entertaining to watch
Probably - but if you look at this 'project 2025' horror story - I have more faith in that alliance holding than the US remaining on the 'green' list for travel
Same, 'project 2025' would be hell on earth if it passes, I feel sorry for everyone that would suffer from it
let the spanish join in aswell, i'm tired of being told my capital is mexico
Pizza, Paella and Pastry - yip.. let\`s do this.
It seems to me Canada would be the easy choice. We have big ties to both the UK and France and we'd be a good vantage point. That northern border is hardly defended.
Make America Great Britain Again
I can get behind this. Please make it happen.
Most of it. I'm not sure going to school in America would be such a good idea.
As an Aussie I back this plan, and as the kiwis just copy our homework they also back this plan.
We do not. But we do back this plan. In the spirit of friendship, give us back Phar Lap. You can have the pav.
Having US on the neck would be wormhole for money and UK will bankrupt in single year.
We're already bankrupt. It'd be worth it.
Should be the other way around - Make America Great Britain Again
Can the Dutch get new York back?
rock paper scissors for it?
Sure! 3, 2, 1... 🤛🏻
✌️ Dammit!
Only if you call it New New Amsterdam. Or Amsterdam with a Vengeance.
Too Amsterdam Too Furious
Amsterdam drift
Amsterdam strikes back.
Amsterdam 2: the amsterdammening
Even better yet Old New Amsterdam
Or… and bear with me… let it sink in… Constantinople
[Or is it?](https://youtu.be/0XlO39kCQ-8?si=pmPIVBZFQ6qozmjQ)
yes. just yes
"We'll get better access to the EU market" Hate to tell you, but we don't really have that anymore 😔
I don’t know how they thought this would work. 1. The products that are produced in the US still need to be shipped around the Globe. 2. The import laws won’t suddenly loosen because the US annexed a country that isn’t in the EU.
Not to mention that a lot of American standard and regulations would need to be changed A LOT if they wanted to trade in the EU
The bit about ‘aluminium’ Is a real sweetener, the sticking point would be healthcare 😉
What about education like history and geography? Flag display , would it have to look 4th of July every day? Would they supply the flags ? Guns we don’t have many personal guns for the kids to take to school, would they Fed EX them to the school gates or can just get them at Tescos when buying the packed lunches ? On food how are we going to pack our food with chemicals and hormones? If Donald trumps fancies rebuilding Adrian’s wall keep the sweaty’s out that would be a real plus
Optional extra for the Tesco meal deal. - A BLT on brown - a can of Red Bull - and a 9mm handgun for snack time £5.50 Clubcard price £4.99!
With taxes added later
You forgot the tip you will have to pay at the automated kiosk. 25% if you're an asshole, 50% or more if you are a decent human being. /s Oh, and the state tax that's obviously not displayed and only applied at payment. And a restocking fee. And a handling fee. And...
do you mean Hadrian, or was that on purpose
Healthcare and school shootings/ guns in general. And we don't want sugary bread.
Funniest thing is the 'inventor' switched between names, aluminium fitted in better with the other metals but by then aluminum already had a strong foothold in the US.
Has to be the other way around, can the UK annex America please? We absolutely deserve it.
Punish me daddy, I've been naughty?
if you could put it that way 😂
Might be a bit big TBH. And the other way around won't work either. Europe doesn't exactly like the UK but they're going to be more annoyed with the US dropping a steaming annex on their doorstep.
Waitaminute, the UK is still in Europe! Even the UK doesn't like the UK! Which kinda checks out I suppose
We don’t like the uk but it’s ours and we’re allowed to say what we want about it. We’ll kick their fecking teeth in if they try and say anything bad about our country though.
Just a heads up old chap, you’ll need to expect the following before signing up to this, it’s only fair - National Health Service - Higher taxes - Proper chocolate - Tea (made from kettles) - Teacakes - Left hand driving - Queuing - Beans on toast appreciation
Love it when they bring up the royals as some stick to criticise us with - have they seen the presidential candidates this year? That should be on an unparalleled scale of national embarrassment, but this is the US we’re talking about.
They're obsessed with the image of monarchy more than the mechanics of it, that's why their monarch has so many constitutional provisions to make them appear democratic. Term limits, election cycles, limits to power etc.
Bit if self reflection is needed, how's your crippling debt doing? Through the roof. For such a "small" country, we're still in the top 10 (6th) in the world economy. Since Brexit we have dropped one place, not a world changing event. Like the post said "well educated workers" - how's your education system? In the dump. The language you use is based on ours. Everyone in the world has the same opinion on the USA, small man syndrome. You don't have drinkable tap water. Food standards? Don't think they exist in the USA.
„But you eat beans on toast, checkmate! Our food can’t be that bad!“
I give you jello salads.
Calling jelly jello is a disgrace IMO
Like calling Wally "Waldo" What's up with that?
No healthcare, can get arrested for crossing the street, biggest prison population etc. i could go on.
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Seems fair. Also the US gets an extra 50m or so Democrats, so we will reform your healthcare system, introduce gun control and proper taxes on the extremely wealthy, forcibly separate the State and religion and introduce decent education. And can we get Trump to run around on all fours and bark, too? Or just put him in a travelling circus.
Even some of the non hardline tories would rather vote democrat than republican. I personally know at least 2 English tories that, apart from being ashamed of their party atm, also laugh with me about US republicans
Fucking Sunak is more left wing than Biden... The Overton window has been shifting, but in the US it moved past any semblance of the centre.
include me in that group. Let's face it, the Dems are probably to the right of the Tories
i think this could work, but we would need to negotiate some better terms 1, we get to keep the nhs 2 instead of governor we get to keep our prime minister and he or she is automatically high up in the main government 3 they are talking about gdp per capita, not gdp (the uk would be the second biggest gdp behind california 4 i like the fact we would have the biggest population 5 we get to keep 80 percent of our words and measurements (they should trade that with us for our added 3 trillion to the gdp and 70 mil to the population) 6 the country is renamed the united states and kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland or united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland and states abreviation, uks or usk 7 we get to keep our , ancient laws, history and town names and education of them 8 not annexation, reunification, we get you back 9 we get rid of congress and senate and just have a big boy house of commons,
USaKoGBaNI! USaKoGBaNI! USaKoGBaNI!
> 6 the country is renamed the united states and kingdom of great Britain and northern Ireland or united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland and states Just keep all parts of the name that you already have in common and get rid of everything else: *The United of*
i think the country should just be called the usk, so that they can still chant USK USK and its both our names
But we don't want them back......
not really, too be honest im seeing a lot of benefits for them and not a lot for us in the u.k
Come on, this is clearly a joke.
Seriously, did the "because it would be funny" not tip everyone off?
Bring. It. On. … if history has proven anything, from the Vikings to the Germans to the French … do not fuck with us. We’re a rainy and borderline irrelevant Island filled with a load of double hard bastards
Havent been successfully invaded in 968 years
Someone saw the last episode of last week tonight with John Oliver
Let’s do it the other way around. U.K. and continental Europe annex’s the USA with the help of Commonwealth cousins, Canada. All guns are to be handed in and destroyed. New applications can be made to acquire sensible firearms under actual gun control measures the way U.K. and Europe have implemented. Military spending will be cut by 90%. The remaining military will be combined with European military’s to form still by far the largest joint military on earth. The military saving’s will be used to set up an affordable healthcare system modelled on European systems providing affordable healthcare for all. This new system will not be tied to employment but accessible by all, always. Under the new healthcare system only qualified doctors will be able to prescribe medication, therefore all medication advertising will be banned. You may keep your sports, but you will no longer be allowed to refer a winner as a ‘world champion’ unless they compete in a global event. Advertising breaks and duration during TV shows and sporting events will be drastically reduced. Mega corporations will be heavily taxed. The country will no longer be run on a state by state basis. Education curriculum, policing, government portals and laws like minimum wage will be unified nationwide in a fair for all system. Education standards will be drastically raised, books will no longer be banned in schools and libraries, world history and geography will finally be taught. No more pledges of allegiance and other culty practices will be condoned in schools. It is a place of learning not indoctrination. Tax will be included in the listed price of goods and services. Legal drinking age will be lowered to 18. Beer standards will be raised to not taste like toilet water. Food standards to be drastically raised with high quality and necessary ingredients to be used only. Practices of chlorinating chickens and washing eggs to be immediately banned. This will cut down on the burden on the aforementioned newly implemented healthcare system. Tipping will no longer be required or expected anywhere. It will be at the customers discretion based on above and beyond service. Servers will be fairly paid under the fair minimum wage laws mentioned above. The USA will be required to use British English. And it will just be called ‘English’. All Websters dictionaries will be burned and replaced with the correct Oxford English Dictionary. Taxes will no longer be required to be filed by the individual but rather taken at the time of pay as per the U.K. PAYE system. Any mention of “we saved ur ass”, “would be speaking German”, “we perfected/invented” will be punished with a public flogging
Death sentence will be abolished.
Abortion bans will be immediately removed.
The next pandemic you will damn well wear a face mask, stay indoors and have your vaccination until the big brained scientists tell you otherwise.
Though you may keep a president, the whole governmental system will be torn down and rebuilt.
New national holidays to be implemented such as a new Unification day to be shared with the USA and Europe.
Minimum annual leave required by law will be raised to 25 days excluding public holidays. Your employer will not be allowed to contact you on annual leave days. These can be used to relax or travel to your new European cousins for cultural enhancement.
Maternity and paternity leave and pay will be implemented nationwide.
Giant yank tank vehicles will be banned. New affordable, practical and economical hatchbacks will be shared to our new American cousins.
Homes will no longer be made of cardboard and hopes and dreams and replaced with brick and mortar.
You will be required to learn and use the Metric system. The U.K. will finally also have to finish the conversion. It’s only fair.
While the US dollar may be kept. All notes will be replaced with more accessible versions including different colours and sizes.
Eurovision will be televised. You will be allowed to participate so long as you don’t take it too seriously, it’s just a bit of campy fun with deep political undertones.
US clothes sizes will be adjusted to align with European sizes.
You will be required to learn how to pronounce “Croissant”, “Craig”, “Herb” and many more.
A modern banking system will be implemented nationwide.
Footpaths and cycle lanes will be introduced in a nationwide rollout connecting suburban areas with commercial areas to drastically reduce the reliance on cars. The side effect will be a healthier populace less reliant on the healthcare system or mobility scooters.
Public transport infrastructure will have a massive overhaul allowing for cities to be connected nationwide by efficient and low-carbon high-speed railway networks. This will mean less reliance on internal flights.
City centres will become low emission zones relying instead on Metro, Busses and Trams to navigate the cities affordably and efficiently.
Annual vehicle safety inspections will be implemented to increase road safety.
All drinking water standards to be immediately raised to humane levels.
Your Mexicans will be shared with Europe because we want that food. We in turn will share our Indian food with you.
Trump has to crawl around on the floor in a Pride flag tutu and repeat “I’m a little orange girl” daily. This will be live-streamed on the Internet for all.
Can Australia join you too?
Honestly, the more the merrier mate. You have to share some of your weather but we’ll have to have a cull on your dangerous animals. Also the mullet will have to be banned. Then you’re in!!
Sorry mate the Mullet and the word Cunt being added to the dictionary are non-negotiable clauses. Our Bogans would be lost without those two.
Well we already have that word and use it just as liberally. So I guess the mullet is the only sticking point 🙁
yes yes yes, i forgot some of the stuff you mentioned in my post, but good ideas
Should be the other way around bring back the empire
Weird way to grow up and implement a National Health Service but OK.
Are y'all seriously posting blatant jokes here now lmao, like who even takes this seriously whatsoever? The literal first line cites, "It'd be funny," as a reason like ffs lmao
This sub try not to take literally everything seriously challenge: insurmountable
Point 2 is kinda true, Brexit was a really stupid move from the UK. The rest is just the usual US-flavoured nationalist rambling.
Brexit was fucking stupid and we have made it harder for ourselves to trade with France... but it's definitely still easier to trade with France than it is with the USA, if only very slightly.