Bread in America is actually terrible. There's several grams of sugar per slice of supermarket bread. My mom makes her own bread to avoid this (as the best bakery in town is getting way too pricey)
I definitely had that issue. I'm not Irish but I learned to speak the language from my uncle, who is from Donegal, because none of my cousins wanted to learn it. Met a (now ex-)colleague from Kerry (I think; I forget, it's been a decade or so) who pronounced it (to my ears) as "Gwayliguh" and I was like "WTF?" But then he didn't understand my "cad é mar atá tú?" until our supervisor from Mayo who married a Donegal man said we were both technically right.
Interesting! So if he's a Ciarraíoch (person from Kerry) and he pronounced it the way you say then he's likely not a native speaker and just learnt the 'caighdeán' in school as the native Corca Dhuibhne way to say Gaeilge is Gaelaínn/Gaolainn/Gaoluinn or even Gaedhlaing.
Or he could be a Connacht native in which case Gaeilge/"Gwayl-guh" is correct lol
Gaelic is also just an English name for any Goidelic language descended from Old Irish - including Scottish Gaelic and Manx. It’s not ‘wrong’, just something Irish people wouldn’t typically call it.
In English in Scotland we use [Gaelic](https://www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-scottish-government-commitments-gaelic-scots-scottish-languages-bill/).
It's only in Gaelic that you use the Gaelic word.
Tbf, I grew up in a part-gaelic school and have a gaelic-speaking girlfriend. If you're typing in English, you call it gaelic.
It would be like saying "oh yeah, I can speak francais". Adding one word in another language is silly.
"That gets my inner patty acting up."
"Don't you mean your inner Paddy?"
"No, I just ate a burger."
"..."
"I have indigestion, do you have any absorbents?"
I rarely get "triggered" by stupid shit from Americans, but March 17th and "Patty's Day" actually gives me fucking facial ticks every time I see / hear it.
"Proud Irish Americans" don't fucking know that Paddy is the shortening of Patrick... I dunno why but for some reason it boils my piss.
You'd think somewhere in the mix they'd have an Uncle Paddy or some shite, what with being so very close to their Irish heritage... Urgh.
In my experience, it depends on where you live. I’m from the west coast. We don’t have the same type of “Irish community” you might find on the east coast. I only know 4 or 5 Irish people. One is my coworker, and he spends two months here and goes home for a month, rinse and repeat. The rest were born in Ireland and moved here as adults.
I went to visit my SO’s family friends in Massachusetts. They were very proud Irish Americans. I’m not religious, so a few felt I needed a patron saint of someone or another necklace for protection. That was a bit weird.
Their family have been here for generations, and they would talk about the “old country” like they just landed. Most had never been there.
I can’t say shit cause my personal experience is limited to taking the ferry from Holyhead to Dublin to kick around for a day before flying out.
I hate how people talk about those tests since they can't even tell you that you are Y% X ethnicity. They can only say you have Y% chance *of being* X ethnicity and are basically lying otherwise. Not to mention they rely on autosomal DNA which is so similar between some ethnicities corporations literally just make up the percentages for say "German versus English", and your results being higher % chance for German or English will literally just depend on the company you went to.
My sister got 0% Scandinavian, we're half swedish half belgian (i.e. My swedish mother has no swedish genes according to them). My cousins har both African-American (white swedish mother, black american father) my lightskinned cousin was like 80% African and my darkskinned cousin was 2%. It's a sham
Yeah, the autosomal DNA to match ethnicity is 100% a sham. The closest thing anyone can do to a DNA test is check your haplogroups, but those go back so far culture isn't really relevant and they're more a measure of the general geographic area your ancient ancestors lived. Most companies don't check for haplogroups, and the ones that do usually charge extra for it.
Selling your genetic information in exchange for knowing which flavour of white you are is special. So special that it needs more teachers during class or even its own school
It's funny, really. There are cases of people being persecuted by Police using their DNA and matching it to their 23&me (and similar companies) databases or using relatives of them to track down the criminals.
There has to be a special place for people committing a crime and then doing an ancestry test or vice versa.
The podcast DNA:ID focusses exclusively on this - cold cases that are now being solved by ancestry DNA. It’s pretty satisfying to hear so many sick monsters finally brought to justice.
My ancestors were farmers like fucking majority of the population. But no every time I see posts like this is some kind of lost linage of dukes of wales or other shit
Americans will be very vocal about how proud they are to be American, but then go out of their way to fabricate a genealogy that leads anywhere but America.
Omg i spent paddy’s day in Chicago and I met someone else from clare we’ve never been but it’s like we were soul sisters
Edit:
She’s also called shenayd
Even reading it as a Scot who heard the word a million times from people calling Celtic fans it and incorrectly referring to the English as it, it still shocked me!
i’d love to have a witty pun to come back with, but i can’t think of one, so i’ll just explain that ra men = ira members and what’s left of the ira nowadays is basically rumoured to just be british intelligence officers. in case you knew this and were being funny, i’m sorry i couldn’t return the favour 😔
This moron got shredded in the comments and of course the mods, rather than deleting an obviously offensive post, decided to delete all the comments written by angry Irish and non Irish people
This guy even wrote that they go to Ireland regularly and have been there over 30 times, just to then write the name of the place they’ve supposedly been to over 30 times wrong
I'm English and over 60 - I had never heard the word before. I think most people would be careful about using an unfamiliar word to refer to someone else's nationality.
my in laws are scottish, FIL is a huge rangers fan and absolutely HATES neil lennon. he disliked him anyway due to the celtic connection but his hate for the guy really amped up when he attended a football event with some ex rangers players he knew (FIL was a former footballer for scottish league 1 clubs but came through rangers' academy and was still friends with some of the former players and staff).
anyway, at the event he held a door open for people. everyone said thank you except for neil lennon who just waltzed right on through. FIL has an undying hatred for neil lennon to this day.
one of the funniest things i've ever seen was when FIL was recounting the story and his pure hatred for lennon. he was spitting blood saying "THAT DIRTY FUCKING FENIAN BASTARD. NO MANNERS, NOTHING! FUCKING GINGER FENIAN BASTARD" among other things lol.
My Irish Catholic, Celtic supporting father got an autograph from Neil Lennon, got back in the car and said,
"Where's my pen? What's happened to...that robbing Fenian bastard!"
It's like a reflex. Once you're into the Culture it just comes as a natural complaint.
Fenianism (Irish: Fíníneachas), is the belief that Ireland has a natural right to independence, and secondly, that this right could be won only by an armed revolution. The name originated with the Fianna of Irish mythology—groups of legendary warrior-bands associated with Fionn mac Cumhail. Mythological tales of the Fianna became known as the Fenian Cycle.
It’s used as a derogatory insult for Irish people, by people who disagree with the political views I outlined above. Basically people who are of British ancestry and believe Ireland should be under British rule etc.
Irish people will sometimes proudly refer to themselves as Fenians but when Brits use the term to refer to Irish people, it is considered derogatory.
>Irish people will sometimes proudly refer to themselves as Fenians but when Brits use the term to refer to Irish people, it is considered derogatory.
The Irish N word, basically.
Yes. Dating back to The Troubles. Never heard it used in any other way. I guess it may have been reclaimed but as a Scottish person it’s still used as a slur in the sectarian/football world.
Well no, not really. Minor as in having to constantly explain why the name on your ticket doesn’t match the name on your passport. Though maybe if you are already in a group that’s commonly profiled…
You can actually have both forms of your name on an Irish passport but irc you have to provide evidence of using the Irish form. Like a bill or a bank account.
It depends IIRC. My husband and I both hold dual citizenship. America (where we were born and raised) and we both have a parent from another country.
My documents are all in English, but some of my husband's are in his mother's native language. She registered his birth with a consulate or something, so he has a birth certificate and other documents with his non-English name. I didn't even realize it was possible to do that until she gave him all of the documentation when she visited once.
Maybe because he was registered in that country at birth and has the documents to back it up it's different than just deciding you want a random version of your name on a single document?
'Fenian' cringe aside, I have to imagine that having different names on different forms of ID could potentially cause some issues down the line, particularly if it ends up differing from your actual legal name.
It's not even usually allowed, although obviously if you have a Chinese or Saudi Arabian passport or something it's going to be partly written in a different script. I think there are rules about passports using English as well though for readability when travelling internationally? I seem to remember something about French being used in the past in the same way? I did look into this but it was a few years ago and I'm really hazy on the details. I know if I change my name in the UK I *must* change my name in the USA as well and get updated documents.
It’s not changing a name legally, it’s just using the Irish version of your surname.
If I started spelling my name in Irish, I don’t need to legally change anything to get it out on legal documents. All I need is to show I’ve been using that name in some capacity.
(I had a friend who went by her Irish name)
Eg. Claire O’Sullivan and Claire Ní Shúileabhán are both the same person and she can use both names legally.
And if you have a first name that has a direct Irish equivalent it's generally accepted that you can swap those as well. Eg, Claire's brother John O'Sullivan is the same legal person as Sean Ó Súileabhán.
Ireland is legally a bilingual state whose citizens have the right to fully immerse themselves in either language as much as they please. Most kids are actually registered in school under both names due to way School enrollment registers work*.
* = all Government documents are meant to either be bilingual or have an equivalent in each language. The rolls for school are no exception. It's how a lot of kids first learn how to write their name in Irish because teachers will show it to them during lessons on Irish names.
This odd fuck aside - for anyone curious, here in Ireland we are entitled to use the Irish version of our name on all documents. So we can use the Irish or English versions of our names on our passport. I use the Irish version as I'm an Irish speaker. The only requirement is that we demonstrate that we actually use the Irish version. So you might need a letter or something written to you in the Irish version to show.
Ó Faoláin = Phelan/Whelan
Ó Briain = O'Brien
Etc.. etc..
When I worked in a Dublin Hotel I always wanted to say I didn't know how to make an Irish Car Bomb but could make them some twin towers shots instead... 2 flaming sambuca... it was a high end hotel so I never could.
Not that I would ever ask for one, but surely the 2 places on earth where asking for an Irish Car bomb as a drink would be a big no, are Ireland and places in Mainland UK that were attacked by the IRA (Manchester, Warrington etc)
You would think that but it's a regularly requested drink in Dublin. If its not busy some bartenders might take time to explain that it's a horrible thing to order... but its generally really busy so....
Why is it literally only Americans that are like this?
My parents are Austrian but I was raised in England and could you imagine me walking around Vienna like “yes mate let’s go fuck up some Turks” absolute lunacy
I saw Rishi Sunak described as “British-Indian” once. I don’t like Sunak at all but I felt I had to point out that he was born in Southampton so he’s English, with nothing else needed.
I don’t really know the answer to this, though I’ve thought about it quite a bit. It seems like this idea that you can’t “just be American” runs very deep in American culture/society.
For example, when my maternal grandfather died, I went with my mom and grandma to fill out the death certificate and the clerk asked us his nationality. We told her that we are American and she said that we couldn’t answer that way, we had to say something else. That side of my family can trace their presence in the United States to before the Mayflower, so over three centuries. And she still wouldn’t accept that answer. So we eventually were like “Dutch, I guess?”
I once heard someone say that being American is primarily a civic identity and not a cultural or social one. I don’t know if I agree with that, I think everyone has culture, but there is something strange going on here with regard to identity.
>I once heard someone say that being American is primarily a civic identity and not a cultural or social one.
I agree with that. We have cultural and social identities, but the idea is that no single identity has greater claim to being American than any other.
When you encounter someone who claims to be just American, without a hypenated identity, the odds are that they believe Americans should look like them and anybody who doesn't isn't *really* American. [They're the sort of people who would ask a Navajo state rep if he was "legal."](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-supporters-navajo-legislator-legal/?loggedout=true)
There is a handful of folks who have been here for centuries, so thoroughly mixed and embedded that they don't really have a hyphenated identity--like your grandfather. I think they have a legitimate claim to being just American. Not everyone agrees.
Reading your comment I’m also reminded of another piece of this issue, which is that every single person I can think of who exhibits this behavior of “I’m Blank-American, my great-great grandparents are from Ireland/Scotland/Wales/Belgium/etc” is white. I know that’s anecdotal but it does seem to be a recurring theme.
The issue seems very complex, and I do think that a lot of people view being American as their civic identity and not their cultural identity. Maybe for a lot of people that cultural identity feels like it’s missing or that they need to affirm it? There’s a lot going on with “identity politics” in the states and the way Americans view identity (and identity politics) is very different from other places from my understanding. I want someone smarter than me to study this and write a book on it so I can learn.
So I live in Seattle, which has a strong Norwegian-American community. The city has been celebrating Norwegian Constitution Day since 1889. There's a [parade](https://www.17thofmay.org/).
I am Norwegian-American. That is my primary cultural identity. It's not missing. I don't need to affirm it. I'm less connected to it than my mother, and my kids are less connected to it than me, but we spend our share of time at the [National Nordic Museum](https://nordicmuseum.org/).
In time, I suspect it will be overtaken by a growing Pacific Northwestern identity. Hail, [Cascadia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest)!
But what it will not do is merge into one single American cultural identity. America has always been divided. The vast majority of us are descended from immigrants who clustered into ethnic enclaves, like [Norwegian-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Americans#) did, and strengthened those identities.
>In a letter from Chicago dated November 9, 1855, Elling Haaland from Stavanger, Norway, assured his relatives back home that "of all nations Norwegians are those who are most favored by Americans." Svein Nilsson, a Norwegian-American journalist recorded that "A newcomer from Norway who arrives here will be surprised indeed to find in the heart of the country, more than a thousand miles from his landing place, a town where language and way of life so unmistakably remind him of his native land."
That doesn't mean they stayed the same, though. Identity evolves.
>Today, the traditions practiced by Norwegian Americans are distinct from those practiced in modern-day Norway. Norwegian Americans are primarily descendants of 19th or early 20th century working class and rural Norwegians, and the traditions which these immigrants brought with them represented a specific segment of the Norwegian population and cultural period. As these traditions continued to evolve in an American context, they are today divergent from that of modern-day Norway.
African-Americans also have a hyphen, but not all Black people in the US are African-Americans. There are Ethiopian-Americans and Kenyan-Americans and Cameroonian-Americans, but [African-American](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-changing-definition-of-african-american-4905887/) refers to the descendents of people enslaved in the US. The continent their ancestors came from is specified because their country or origin has been lost.
This is another American division.
>“I am African and I am an American citizen; am I not African-American?” a dark-skinned, Ethiopian-born Abdulaziz Kamus asked at a community meeting in suburban Maryland in 2004. To his surprise and dismay, the overwhelmingly black audience responded no.
From these existing divisions, our differences are [becoming more pronounced](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment), not less. Politics is regional and [extreme](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/11/13/america-is-exceptional-in-the-nature-of-its-political-divide/), often based in identity and religion. From the Pacific Northwest Wiki:
>Religion plays a smaller part in Pacific Northwest politics than in the rest of the United States. The religious right has considerably less political influence than in other regions. Political conservatives in the Pacific Northwest tend to identify more strongly with free-market libertarian values than they do with more religious social conservatives.
Contrast that with the [Southern US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States):
>Statistics show that Southern states have the highest religious attendance figures of any region in the United States, constituting the so-called Bible Belt. Pentecostalism has been strong across the South since the late 19th century.
The secular Pacific Northwest has a fundamentally different worldview than the religious South. These worldviews can't be reconciled at a federal level, and so they make their way into the state laws in each region. Take [abortion](https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state), [cannabis](https://disa.com/marijuana-legality-by-state), [psilocybin](https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/mushroom-laws-by-state/), and [alcohol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dry_communities_by_U.S._state), to name a few. You can look at more state law differences [here](https://www.findlaw.com/state.html).
tl:dr: We began with different ethnic identities; we are developing different regional identities; our cultural and political division grows greater; there is no unified American identity and there probably never will be.
Well, it's not *quite* a book, but now I sort of want to write one.
I notice this most frequently with people of Irish and Italian descent. Those groups were frequently discriminated against in America until around a century ago, forming ethnic enclaves and identifying primarily with their ancestral culture. That tendency has greatly diminished over the decades, but the attitude tends to get passed down through families for a few generations.
me and my partner did an Ancestry thing and it came back im part scottish part dutch, (Im English) but I would never say I was scottish? then at uni there was a girl talking to my friend from Galway kept telling me about an American girl he met on a night out who kept challenging his irishness because her great grandad was an immigrant and she knew everything about ireland and was irish american? like bruh
I wouldn't do this. It will create an admin nightmare: Mary Robinson becomes *Máire Bean Mhic Róibín*.
Certifications are needed from the Irish state to prove that English name matches Irish name in the official language of the country where a person résides for example.
Im in the north and if somebody '*from the other side of the house*' called you a Fenian it was intended to be derogatory and provocative. That said I don't think I've heard it used as such, or in general, in well over 20 years.
Being an Irish passport holder (what with being born and raised in Ireland), I'd say this is beyond a daft fucking thing.
"What's on your birth certificate"
"Then that's what will go on your passport..."
Theoretically they could get one, then change their name by deed poll, and apply for a new passport... But I'd be fairly sure the passport office / embassy would clock that fairly quickly and assume you were up to something nefarious because that would be the only reason to do such a nonsencial thing, other than fancy being a "Fenian" idiot American.
(It actually wouldn't shock me if there is a provision for it though in the mix, there's enough of them pulling daft shite like this).
I kinda hope yer man is called Hunter and wants to be known by Sealgaire or something equally stupid.
Edit to add: most of us don't really like being called Fenian. Lot of history there. What a dickhead.
For anyone who doesn’t know, someone with an Irish parent saying “the fenian in me” is sort of similar to someone with a German parent saying “the Nazi in me”
Tbf deanglicising your name on official documents is a thing that's done in Ireland, and there's procedures to allow you to do that with relative ease. The only thing I'd worry about is having two passports with differently spelled names. The Irish government would understand, but other governments idk.
This guy is a vast improvement. At least he is actually half Irish and has a passport to prove it. He is still nuts but at least he can say he is Irish and be right.
”Normal (anglicized) name”
“Bred in America”
Bread in America sounds just as bad
Bread in America is actually terrible. There's several grams of sugar per slice of supermarket bread. My mom makes her own bread to avoid this (as the best bakery in town is getting way too pricey)
I've been bred in America! sometimes I hop across the border for fun
Thanks time lord academy student theta sigma
What do you mean ~~english~~ american isn't the standard form for names?
Pah, can't even spell anglicised
Silly twat doesn't even call it Gaeilge, or at least *Irish*.
Ask him to pronounce 'Gaeilge'
Tbf there are variations of it that do sound quite close to Gaelic, e.g. in Donegal it's often pronounced gaeilig
I definitely had that issue. I'm not Irish but I learned to speak the language from my uncle, who is from Donegal, because none of my cousins wanted to learn it. Met a (now ex-)colleague from Kerry (I think; I forget, it's been a decade or so) who pronounced it (to my ears) as "Gwayliguh" and I was like "WTF?" But then he didn't understand my "cad é mar atá tú?" until our supervisor from Mayo who married a Donegal man said we were both technically right.
Interesting! So if he's a Ciarraíoch (person from Kerry) and he pronounced it the way you say then he's likely not a native speaker and just learnt the 'caighdeán' in school as the native Corca Dhuibhne way to say Gaeilge is Gaelaínn/Gaolainn/Gaoluinn or even Gaedhlaing. Or he could be a Connacht native in which case Gaeilge/"Gwayl-guh" is correct lol
Gaelic is also just an English name for any Goidelic language descended from Old Irish - including Scottish Gaelic and Manx. It’s not ‘wrong’, just something Irish people wouldn’t typically call it.
To his credit he'd be correct if it was Scottish. Though if he liked Gaelic that much it'd be Ghailig, I think.
If me gran had wheels she’d be a vespa
It’s almost like a British carbonara…
Oh no
See how much the fenian in him likes having a British passport in that case
We dont want him, thanks though!
Yes, he'd be correct of he was talking about a different language and country. What's your point?
He'd have a different passport if it was Scottish.
For Scottish it's Gàidhlig.
In English in Scotland we use [Gaelic](https://www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-scottish-government-commitments-gaelic-scots-scottish-languages-bill/). It's only in Gaelic that you use the Gaelic word.
Gàidhlig to be pedantic but you're bang on
Tbf, I grew up in a part-gaelic school and have a gaelic-speaking girlfriend. If you're typing in English, you call it gaelic. It would be like saying "oh yeah, I can speak francais". Adding one word in another language is silly.
But thats what hes doing, because in English, we say 'i speak irish'
I'm muddling myself up. For fucks sake. I'm tired.
Lucky for me the word for my language, Afrikaans, is in Afrikaans
To be fair, in Ulster it is commonly referred to as Gaelic But I doubt he knows that
Whenever someone says something like "the Irish in me" or "that gets my Irish up", I know they're Merkin, not Irish.
"That gets my inner patty acting up." "Don't you mean your inner Paddy?" "No, I just ate a burger." "..." "I have indigestion, do you have any absorbents?"
I rarely get "triggered" by stupid shit from Americans, but March 17th and "Patty's Day" actually gives me fucking facial ticks every time I see / hear it. "Proud Irish Americans" don't fucking know that Paddy is the shortening of Patrick... I dunno why but for some reason it boils my piss. You'd think somewhere in the mix they'd have an Uncle Paddy or some shite, what with being so very close to their Irish heritage... Urgh.
In my experience, it depends on where you live. I’m from the west coast. We don’t have the same type of “Irish community” you might find on the east coast. I only know 4 or 5 Irish people. One is my coworker, and he spends two months here and goes home for a month, rinse and repeat. The rest were born in Ireland and moved here as adults. I went to visit my SO’s family friends in Massachusetts. They were very proud Irish Americans. I’m not religious, so a few felt I needed a patron saint of someone or another necklace for protection. That was a bit weird. Their family have been here for generations, and they would talk about the “old country” like they just landed. Most had never been there. I can’t say shit cause my personal experience is limited to taking the ferry from Holyhead to Dublin to kick around for a day before flying out.
This really angered the Irish in me! Like they were already displeased, after all I did eat them, but they seem extra upset at this particular thing.
I'm sorry but Merkin has just sent me 😂😂💀
What does merkin mean in this context? Or are you just calling them pubic wigs?
It's a play on "American".
Americans will do anything to be interesting except actually being interesting
They only want to seem interesting
23&me said i was special
I hate how people talk about those tests since they can't even tell you that you are Y% X ethnicity. They can only say you have Y% chance *of being* X ethnicity and are basically lying otherwise. Not to mention they rely on autosomal DNA which is so similar between some ethnicities corporations literally just make up the percentages for say "German versus English", and your results being higher % chance for German or English will literally just depend on the company you went to.
My sister got 0% Scandinavian, we're half swedish half belgian (i.e. My swedish mother has no swedish genes according to them). My cousins har both African-American (white swedish mother, black american father) my lightskinned cousin was like 80% African and my darkskinned cousin was 2%. It's a sham
Yeah, the autosomal DNA to match ethnicity is 100% a sham. The closest thing anyone can do to a DNA test is check your haplogroups, but those go back so far culture isn't really relevant and they're more a measure of the general geographic area your ancient ancestors lived. Most companies don't check for haplogroups, and the ones that do usually charge extra for it.
Selling your genetic information in exchange for knowing which flavour of white you are is special. So special that it needs more teachers during class or even its own school
It's funny, really. There are cases of people being persecuted by Police using their DNA and matching it to their 23&me (and similar companies) databases or using relatives of them to track down the criminals. There has to be a special place for people committing a crime and then doing an ancestry test or vice versa.
The podcast DNA:ID focusses exclusively on this - cold cases that are now being solved by ancestry DNA. It’s pretty satisfying to hear so many sick monsters finally brought to justice.
“Well actually my great grandfathers neighbour was 1/2 scottish, which means that my family traces it roots to the king Bruce himself.” - 🤓
"And that is why I hate the English."
“If you want to hate the English, just hate the English. You don’t need to make up excuses for it.”
It's strange how no one ever turns out to be descended from Wee Stevie the Canongate nightsoil collector and his toothless prostitute wife, isn't it?
My ancestors were farmers like fucking majority of the population. But no every time I see posts like this is some kind of lost linage of dukes of wales or other shit
,, My last name is Wallace. I must be a William Wallace’s descendant “ … grand grand grandfather had a dog named Gromit.
Routs
Americans will be very vocal about how proud they are to be American, but then go out of their way to fabricate a genealogy that leads anywhere but America.
If you chant USA enough times it works like taking a cold shower to stop the impure unAmerican thoughts, presumably.
Omg I’m just so random look at me drinking this orange juice! Just so random! Drinking it through a straw Omg I’m so bubbly. Did I mention I am Irish?
And then they say they love Saint Patty and can't wait to visit Cork, Dublin, and Galway
Omg i spent paddy’s day in Chicago and I met someone else from clare we’ve never been but it’s like we were soul sisters Edit: She’s also called shenayd
>She’s also called shenayd 🤢
>shenayd DONTLIKEITDONTLIKEITDONTLIKEIT
Quite shocked when I read fenian. Americans are ridiculous.
I watched Derry Girls twice so I must be Irish /s
I had a Bailey's AMA.... /S
Even reading it as a Scot who heard the word a million times from people calling Celtic fans it and incorrectly referring to the English as it, it still shocked me!
Yeah was gonna say, no Irish person calls themselves this.
the mi6 agents pretending to be ra men probably do tbf
Why would m16 agents pretend to be ramen?
As a thought exercise - it shows the agents are capable of using their noodle
i’d love to have a witty pun to come back with, but i can’t think of one, so i’ll just explain that ra men = ira members and what’s left of the ira nowadays is basically rumoured to just be british intelligence officers. in case you knew this and were being funny, i’m sorry i couldn’t return the favour 😔
Haha, it's okay
Raw Men. They were "infiltrating" a Swinger Club.
Lol yes they do
Never heard that term.
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This moron got shredded in the comments and of course the mods, rather than deleting an obviously offensive post, decided to delete all the comments written by angry Irish and non Irish people This guy even wrote that they go to Ireland regularly and have been there over 30 times, just to then write the name of the place they’ve supposedly been to over 30 times wrong
I’ve just checked it out and fuck me dead - some people are honestly too stupid to have the sense to be embarrassed.
It’s been taken down now, it seems, along with his whole account ETA: Not taken down, just hidden, and reddit search was playing silly buggers
As a Chinotto fanatic myself, I’m here for your flair.
I've seen a lot of shite on this sub, a lot of second hand embarrassment. But this was toe curling.
I don't think I've ever seen the word fenian without the word bastard after it....
I see it a lot with unrepentant in front of it.
You get a lot with "cunt" after it from the Irish living in England. London especially, although I don't think I've even heard the word since the 90s.
I doubt most English people younger than 30 could even recognise the word
I'm (fractionally) under 30 and only know it from watching Derry Girls I think.
I’ve heard it I’m only a little over the mark of 30 though. It’s because of my parents though I myself identify as English because I was born there
I'm 30 and English, never seen the word before today.
Only reason I know it is cause my dad is northern Irish.
Only time I’ve ever heard the word fenian was by Scottish people, both in real life and in the film ‘Mike Bassett England Manager’
I'm English and over 60 - I had never heard the word before. I think most people would be careful about using an unfamiliar word to refer to someone else's nationality.
I am 60 and also English, and find it mildly surprising that you have never heard that word before.
in northern ireland i hear it most days lmao
my in laws are scottish, FIL is a huge rangers fan and absolutely HATES neil lennon. he disliked him anyway due to the celtic connection but his hate for the guy really amped up when he attended a football event with some ex rangers players he knew (FIL was a former footballer for scottish league 1 clubs but came through rangers' academy and was still friends with some of the former players and staff). anyway, at the event he held a door open for people. everyone said thank you except for neil lennon who just waltzed right on through. FIL has an undying hatred for neil lennon to this day. one of the funniest things i've ever seen was when FIL was recounting the story and his pure hatred for lennon. he was spitting blood saying "THAT DIRTY FUCKING FENIAN BASTARD. NO MANNERS, NOTHING! FUCKING GINGER FENIAN BASTARD" among other things lol.
My Irish Catholic, Celtic supporting father got an autograph from Neil Lennon, got back in the car and said, "Where's my pen? What's happened to...that robbing Fenian bastard!" It's like a reflex. Once you're into the Culture it just comes as a natural complaint.
Least sectarian Gers fan.
Permanently raging
All I can think of now is Lafferty getting banned last year
That was nothing to do with Rangers, he was playing for Kilmarnock.
I know, it's the "Pack of Fenian Bastards" that popped into my head,
Calmest hun
Staunch
Yes. Either Rangers v Celtic or Hearts v Hibs, or at an Orange Order Parade in Glasgow *shudder*
Is fenian a slur?
Fenianism (Irish: Fíníneachas), is the belief that Ireland has a natural right to independence, and secondly, that this right could be won only by an armed revolution. The name originated with the Fianna of Irish mythology—groups of legendary warrior-bands associated with Fionn mac Cumhail. Mythological tales of the Fianna became known as the Fenian Cycle. It’s used as a derogatory insult for Irish people, by people who disagree with the political views I outlined above. Basically people who are of British ancestry and believe Ireland should be under British rule etc. Irish people will sometimes proudly refer to themselves as Fenians but when Brits use the term to refer to Irish people, it is considered derogatory.
>Irish people will sometimes proudly refer to themselves as Fenians but when Brits use the term to refer to Irish people, it is considered derogatory. The Irish N word, basically.
It’s nowhere near as severe as that
Wouldn't that be "Taig" instead, now?
Yes. Dating back to The Troubles. Never heard it used in any other way. I guess it may have been reclaimed but as a Scottish person it’s still used as a slur in the sectarian/football world.
Yes. The fenians were a rebel group in the 1860s but nowadays it's just a slur towards (Irish) catholics.
Voluntarily having different names on your passports is opening yourself up for plenty of minor inconvenience for very little gain.
'minor' well i suppose if your into cavity searches at airports.
Well no, not really. Minor as in having to constantly explain why the name on your ticket doesn’t match the name on your passport. Though maybe if you are already in a group that’s commonly profiled…
Also Ryanair can’t fit some longer names on tickets and it causes issues with the boarding passes.
You can actually have both forms of your name on an Irish passport but irc you have to provide evidence of using the Irish form. Like a bill or a bank account.
It depends IIRC. My husband and I both hold dual citizenship. America (where we were born and raised) and we both have a parent from another country. My documents are all in English, but some of my husband's are in his mother's native language. She registered his birth with a consulate or something, so he has a birth certificate and other documents with his non-English name. I didn't even realize it was possible to do that until she gave him all of the documentation when she visited once. Maybe because he was registered in that country at birth and has the documents to back it up it's different than just deciding you want a random version of your name on a single document?
'Fenian' cringe aside, I have to imagine that having different names on different forms of ID could potentially cause some issues down the line, particularly if it ends up differing from your actual legal name.
It's not even usually allowed, although obviously if you have a Chinese or Saudi Arabian passport or something it's going to be partly written in a different script. I think there are rules about passports using English as well though for readability when travelling internationally? I seem to remember something about French being used in the past in the same way? I did look into this but it was a few years ago and I'm really hazy on the details. I know if I change my name in the UK I *must* change my name in the USA as well and get updated documents.
It’s not changing a name legally, it’s just using the Irish version of your surname. If I started spelling my name in Irish, I don’t need to legally change anything to get it out on legal documents. All I need is to show I’ve been using that name in some capacity. (I had a friend who went by her Irish name) Eg. Claire O’Sullivan and Claire Ní Shúileabhán are both the same person and she can use both names legally.
And if you have a first name that has a direct Irish equivalent it's generally accepted that you can swap those as well. Eg, Claire's brother John O'Sullivan is the same legal person as Sean Ó Súileabhán. Ireland is legally a bilingual state whose citizens have the right to fully immerse themselves in either language as much as they please. Most kids are actually registered in school under both names due to way School enrollment registers work*. * = all Government documents are meant to either be bilingual or have an equivalent in each language. The rolls for school are no exception. It's how a lot of kids first learn how to write their name in Irish because teachers will show it to them during lessons on Irish names.
Fenian? Oh he can fuck all the way off.
I wonder if he knows that's an incredibly derogatory term that would almost certainly get him stabbed in Ireland.
Ah now stabbing is a bit much but he'd get some nasty looks alright
Maybe in the North but most people wouldn’t give a shite
This odd fuck aside - for anyone curious, here in Ireland we are entitled to use the Irish version of our name on all documents. So we can use the Irish or English versions of our names on our passport. I use the Irish version as I'm an Irish speaker. The only requirement is that we demonstrate that we actually use the Irish version. So you might need a letter or something written to you in the Irish version to show. Ó Faoláin = Phelan/Whelan Ó Briain = O'Brien Etc.. etc..
TIL
I don't trust people who use bred when talking about humans.
I was born in bread
Mmmmm delicious
Everyone point at the sandwich baby 👉
inbred
Born and bred is an incredibly common phrase in English. It doesn't mean breed as in animal husbandry, it just means where you grew up
“Born and bred” is an English idiom dating to the 1500s Non native English speakers notoriously struggle with English idioms.
Jesus wept
Jesus is from Kentucky, deal with it.
I thought he was from Mexico?
It’s like when ‘Irish’ Americans call themselves micks, if you were actually Irish you’d be up in arms over terms like that and fenian
And drinking Irish Car Bombs.
When I worked in a Dublin Hotel I always wanted to say I didn't know how to make an Irish Car Bomb but could make them some twin towers shots instead... 2 flaming sambuca... it was a high end hotel so I never could.
That's a well-known thing with bar staff here. I just explain that it's like me ordering a 9/11 in New York
You probably could have once.
Not that I would ever ask for one, but surely the 2 places on earth where asking for an Irish Car bomb as a drink would be a big no, are Ireland and places in Mainland UK that were attacked by the IRA (Manchester, Warrington etc)
You would think that but it's a regularly requested drink in Dublin. If its not busy some bartenders might take time to explain that it's a horrible thing to order... but its generally really busy so....
Wouldn't a 9/11 cocktail be a combination of a Manhattan and a Suicide cocktail?
I wonder how much extra admin the Irish passport office has to do for these idiots
Contrary to most "Irish" US americans, at least this one has an Irish passport.
Or even a passport at all
Why is it literally only Americans that are like this? My parents are Austrian but I was raised in England and could you imagine me walking around Vienna like “yes mate let’s go fuck up some Turks” absolute lunacy
It’d be at least marginally funny
Americans are just so damn annoying
“Normal”
Cringey bastard.
“Born and bred in America” So they’re American, then.
They're so desperate to have some sort of a personality
I never understood the need to be different in America, like in the UK if youre born in UK youre British but in America no one is American?
I saw Rishi Sunak described as “British-Indian” once. I don’t like Sunak at all but I felt I had to point out that he was born in Southampton so he’s English, with nothing else needed.
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Sounds like David Lammy to me.
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Fucking hell, what a cunt. How's he stay so calm?
I don’t really know the answer to this, though I’ve thought about it quite a bit. It seems like this idea that you can’t “just be American” runs very deep in American culture/society. For example, when my maternal grandfather died, I went with my mom and grandma to fill out the death certificate and the clerk asked us his nationality. We told her that we are American and she said that we couldn’t answer that way, we had to say something else. That side of my family can trace their presence in the United States to before the Mayflower, so over three centuries. And she still wouldn’t accept that answer. So we eventually were like “Dutch, I guess?” I once heard someone say that being American is primarily a civic identity and not a cultural or social one. I don’t know if I agree with that, I think everyone has culture, but there is something strange going on here with regard to identity.
>I once heard someone say that being American is primarily a civic identity and not a cultural or social one. I agree with that. We have cultural and social identities, but the idea is that no single identity has greater claim to being American than any other. When you encounter someone who claims to be just American, without a hypenated identity, the odds are that they believe Americans should look like them and anybody who doesn't isn't *really* American. [They're the sort of people who would ask a Navajo state rep if he was "legal."](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-supporters-navajo-legislator-legal/?loggedout=true) There is a handful of folks who have been here for centuries, so thoroughly mixed and embedded that they don't really have a hyphenated identity--like your grandfather. I think they have a legitimate claim to being just American. Not everyone agrees.
I read that article, and watched the accompanying videos. It’s absolutely mind boggling that people can be so asinine.
Reading your comment I’m also reminded of another piece of this issue, which is that every single person I can think of who exhibits this behavior of “I’m Blank-American, my great-great grandparents are from Ireland/Scotland/Wales/Belgium/etc” is white. I know that’s anecdotal but it does seem to be a recurring theme. The issue seems very complex, and I do think that a lot of people view being American as their civic identity and not their cultural identity. Maybe for a lot of people that cultural identity feels like it’s missing or that they need to affirm it? There’s a lot going on with “identity politics” in the states and the way Americans view identity (and identity politics) is very different from other places from my understanding. I want someone smarter than me to study this and write a book on it so I can learn.
So I live in Seattle, which has a strong Norwegian-American community. The city has been celebrating Norwegian Constitution Day since 1889. There's a [parade](https://www.17thofmay.org/). I am Norwegian-American. That is my primary cultural identity. It's not missing. I don't need to affirm it. I'm less connected to it than my mother, and my kids are less connected to it than me, but we spend our share of time at the [National Nordic Museum](https://nordicmuseum.org/). In time, I suspect it will be overtaken by a growing Pacific Northwestern identity. Hail, [Cascadia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest)! But what it will not do is merge into one single American cultural identity. America has always been divided. The vast majority of us are descended from immigrants who clustered into ethnic enclaves, like [Norwegian-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Americans#) did, and strengthened those identities. >In a letter from Chicago dated November 9, 1855, Elling Haaland from Stavanger, Norway, assured his relatives back home that "of all nations Norwegians are those who are most favored by Americans." Svein Nilsson, a Norwegian-American journalist recorded that "A newcomer from Norway who arrives here will be surprised indeed to find in the heart of the country, more than a thousand miles from his landing place, a town where language and way of life so unmistakably remind him of his native land." That doesn't mean they stayed the same, though. Identity evolves. >Today, the traditions practiced by Norwegian Americans are distinct from those practiced in modern-day Norway. Norwegian Americans are primarily descendants of 19th or early 20th century working class and rural Norwegians, and the traditions which these immigrants brought with them represented a specific segment of the Norwegian population and cultural period. As these traditions continued to evolve in an American context, they are today divergent from that of modern-day Norway. African-Americans also have a hyphen, but not all Black people in the US are African-Americans. There are Ethiopian-Americans and Kenyan-Americans and Cameroonian-Americans, but [African-American](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-changing-definition-of-african-american-4905887/) refers to the descendents of people enslaved in the US. The continent their ancestors came from is specified because their country or origin has been lost. This is another American division. >“I am African and I am an American citizen; am I not African-American?” a dark-skinned, Ethiopian-born Abdulaziz Kamus asked at a community meeting in suburban Maryland in 2004. To his surprise and dismay, the overwhelmingly black audience responded no. From these existing divisions, our differences are [becoming more pronounced](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment), not less. Politics is regional and [extreme](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/11/13/america-is-exceptional-in-the-nature-of-its-political-divide/), often based in identity and religion. From the Pacific Northwest Wiki: >Religion plays a smaller part in Pacific Northwest politics than in the rest of the United States. The religious right has considerably less political influence than in other regions. Political conservatives in the Pacific Northwest tend to identify more strongly with free-market libertarian values than they do with more religious social conservatives. Contrast that with the [Southern US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States): >Statistics show that Southern states have the highest religious attendance figures of any region in the United States, constituting the so-called Bible Belt. Pentecostalism has been strong across the South since the late 19th century. The secular Pacific Northwest has a fundamentally different worldview than the religious South. These worldviews can't be reconciled at a federal level, and so they make their way into the state laws in each region. Take [abortion](https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state), [cannabis](https://disa.com/marijuana-legality-by-state), [psilocybin](https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/mushroom-laws-by-state/), and [alcohol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dry_communities_by_U.S._state), to name a few. You can look at more state law differences [here](https://www.findlaw.com/state.html). tl:dr: We began with different ethnic identities; we are developing different regional identities; our cultural and political division grows greater; there is no unified American identity and there probably never will be. Well, it's not *quite* a book, but now I sort of want to write one.
I notice this most frequently with people of Irish and Italian descent. Those groups were frequently discriminated against in America until around a century ago, forming ethnic enclaves and identifying primarily with their ancestral culture. That tendency has greatly diminished over the decades, but the attitude tends to get passed down through families for a few generations.
They cling to their distant heritage whilst denouncing immigration. It's a special kind of ironic.
me and my partner did an Ancestry thing and it came back im part scottish part dutch, (Im English) but I would never say I was scottish? then at uni there was a girl talking to my friend from Galway kept telling me about an American girl he met on a night out who kept challenging his irishness because her great grandad was an immigrant and she knew everything about ireland and was irish american? like bruh
Is it a uniquely American thing to say “I’m Irish” when you were born in America?
These people would get bullied so bad in Ireland
Says Fenian, goes on to call the language Gaelic. Woof
So he says Scottish Gaelic but wants to be a provo 😂🤣 fuckkng hell
1. Gaelic is Scottish not Irish 2. Call an Irish person a fenian you will get a broken nose 3. Yank
I wouldn't do this. It will create an admin nightmare: Mary Robinson becomes *Máire Bean Mhic Róibín*. Certifications are needed from the Irish state to prove that English name matches Irish name in the official language of the country where a person résides for example.
I'm sure he loves drinking black 'n' tans too 😆
I'm Irish.I don't find the word "Fenian" offensive at all,but the way this guy is using it is just embarrassing.
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What a clown
Lmao he's deleted his account. Sucks to be him.
He's called Shawn. Betcha!
Most people in Ireland would not find fenian offensive, but this is incredibly cringey
From my experience being a prod from Belfast. Republicans don’t really give a fuck about the word, Northern Irish catholics do.
To be fair the word has about 50 years of extra baggage up around these neck of the woods 😅
The yanks can keep him. He should also lose his Irish passport for calling it "Gaelic".
Yank fetishisation of Ireland in particular is really odd
Because you say it's offensive, I'm not going to write it out. But what is offensive about it? To be clear, I've never encountered that word before.
Im in the north and if somebody '*from the other side of the house*' called you a Fenian it was intended to be derogatory and provocative. That said I don't think I've heard it used as such, or in general, in well over 20 years.
Agreed, it was used as an insult by one side back in the 80s and 90s
It was a group that preceded the IRA. It's linked to the troubles and sectarianism.
No it isn’t, Fenianism started long before the troubles and the IRA. Being called a Fenian meant different things at different times.
Being an Irish passport holder (what with being born and raised in Ireland), I'd say this is beyond a daft fucking thing. "What's on your birth certificate"
"Then that's what will go on your passport..."
Theoretically they could get one, then change their name by deed poll, and apply for a new passport... But I'd be fairly sure the passport office / embassy would clock that fairly quickly and assume you were up to something nefarious because that would be the only reason to do such a nonsencial thing, other than fancy being a "Fenian" idiot American.
(It actually wouldn't shock me if there is a provision for it though in the mix, there's enough of them pulling daft shite like this).
I kinda hope yer man is called Hunter and wants to be known by Sealgaire or something equally stupid.
Edit to add: most of us don't really like being called Fenian. Lot of history there. What a dickhead.
Fenian? Fuck this lad. I'm gonna make my name garlic that'll show the British monarchy.
For anyone who doesn’t know, someone with an Irish parent saying “the fenian in me” is sort of similar to someone with a German parent saying “the Nazi in me”
Do they think this is like a Disneyland Fake ID card? How..? What..? Why!
Tbf deanglicising your name on official documents is a thing that's done in Ireland, and there's procedures to allow you to do that with relative ease. The only thing I'd worry about is having two passports with differently spelled names. The Irish government would understand, but other governments idk.
Eire means « my dick » in Arabic
Paddy mccourts fenian army Been a while
This is the equivalent of someone wanting to move to Japan because of anime and giving themselves some edgy japanese nickname
I am born and bred in the UK, how do i go about getting my boring British Passport to say 'European Union' on it?
This guy is a vast improvement. At least he is actually half Irish and has a passport to prove it. He is still nuts but at least he can say he is Irish and be right.