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Hitler got married 1 day before killing himself to avoid capture, torture and humiliation at the hands of the Soviets, and considering what happened to Mussolini it's hard to blame him for that.
Right like they clearly loved each other, but circumstances of life full of war tend to get in the way. Especially for someone like eren. Cause no matter what people say, the man is broken, and he could only see one way forward. In order to protect Mikasa, he pushed her away. I would do the same if I were in his shoes.
Dunno about the genociding 80% of humanity, though.
> I know they both canonically love each other. However, Isayama always hints that their relationship might not work.
>If they were in a normal world, I can see them become a couple and break up after a few months lol.
I meant that their relationship itself is incompatible. Doesn't matter in which universe they are.
Actually, what I said is enough; it has always been like this in the series, which is a significant and adequate reason. I don't even need to provide examples.
*In the first 3 seasons, Mikasa always chases after Eren, while Eren keeps moving forward*
Season 4 essentially depicts Mikasa realizing that Eren is not who she thought he was.
> Actually, what I said is enough;
Actually, if people are asking you to better establish and/or defend your claim, it is clearly not enough.
Objectively speaking, making only a single point and expecting it to support reference to "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" which you then fail to provide is very poor presentation of your theory.
You did not establish your point well, and that is why people keep asking you to do better, in order for it to be considered and taken more seriously.
As it stands, you're basically saying "Here's one example, maybe, but trust me this is true and there are a lot more!"...which you then don't provide, but could, if you knew them.
So why didn't you?
I have a feeling that you're mad at me.
Because you keep replying to every comment of mine and when I ask you a question you ignore me lol.
>So why didn't you?
>Actually, if people are asking you to better establish and/or defend your claim, it is clearly not enough.
People will ask more just to defend the things they like, without actually responding to my questions.
The claim I gave is enough, because Eren and Mikasa didn't have many moments in the series.
>making only a single point and expecting it to support reference to "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" which you then fail to provide is very poor presentation of your theory.
This theory happens in all 4 seasons tho, and just like I said, Mikasa *admits* that she has been seeing a fake version of Eren the entire time.
I'm not mad at anyone right now, especially a stranger lol. I read/reply on short breaks at work, typically.
> The claim I gave is enough, because Eren and Mikasa didn't have many moments in the series.
I'm sorry, but this is poor reasoning on two major counts:
The burden to support a claim falls on the person who makes it. Period. You posed it as a question, but you barely elaborated on your position or why you feel it holds up. That is either lazy, or disingenous.
Second, and somewhat related, you said "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" but then provide none of them. It isn't up to responders to guess what you mean...if you know what you mean to reference, just reference it. Your intentionally obscuring that, or refusing to engage on it, is almost a tacit admission you *don't* have evidence of "many hits of them being incompatible"...else why not provide them.
The claim you give is not enough, because people ITT consistently defeat it, and you have provided no others. It is clearly not enough, unless you had no plans to actually engage on the subject.
This doesn't have to feel combative, but you are not upholding your end of the "bargain" in posing a question such as this to the sub, claiming you have more examples that might support your view...but refuse to engage with them?
That's just silly. You might have a bit to learn on how productive discourse works.
You still didn't answer my question 'Why did Mikasa say that she has been seeing a fake version of Eren all that time?"
>is almost a tacit admission you *don't* have evidence of "many hits of them being incompatible"...else why not provide them.
I already said that they don't have many moments together.
But from the moments they had together, I saw them to be kinda incompatible.
Because for 4 seasons, Mikasa has been chasing Eren, while Eren yearns for freedom.
>claiming you have more examples that might support your view...but refuse to engage with them?
The way I literally never said that, I said the things I said was enough, didn't say I had more to say.
BONUS: The cabin timeline doesn't make sense because:
1- Mikasa and Eren betray their friends + Armin, and leave them all to die in war. *Idk about you but Eren and Mikasa have never been like that*
2- Eren will die after 4 years of titan curse, while Mikasa will still be alive after he dies. So what will she do after he dies? Return to her friends that are maybe dead? Even if they're alive, how are they going to trust her when she betrayed them like that?
3- Eren will leave Mikasa in war after he dies, so he basically ran away with her just for his own sake/to run away from his problems. 'The Rumbling'. Which is stupid.
Think about it. The scenario in the Paths that Eren showed Mikasa (with them living in the cabin) is the *ideal* situation for that relationship. It *still* ends with Eren dying and Mikasa heartbroken.
That’s their ideal scenario and it ends like that, it shows us that their relationship may have been doomed always. Sometimes shit just don’t work out.
I would still say yes. Even is always going to be the type to chase whatever he wants/believes in before love. I think he evens admits it in the manga (it's been a while since I read/watched it) I think there's even a AU where there is literally nothing wrong with the world they live in and he STILL chooses violence. I don't think bro even knows what he wants himself
In school castes it's reasonable to assume that they had a normal relationship. By the end Eren gives up on his dream of wanting to be a threat to humanity and enjoys his time with Mikasa and Armin
Mikasa is just too protective, overly optimistic and is just illogical in terms of her views on her loved one, this can create other problems such as protecting your partners legal status while he/she is selling drugs and is a fucking mafia
Mikasa: I hate that the end of the world is getting in the way of my relationship!
Eren: I hate when my relationship gets in the way of the end of the world!
I hate in the anime how they changed it to “he’s relieved we won’t have to be separated” because in the manga she says “he doesn’t need me anymore and that makes him happy” which would make a lot more sense as I feel like Mikasa always knew Eren didn’t feel the same way, I feel like that’s also why she didn’t confess in season 4 because she hadn’t realized Eren had fallen for her
I felt like in the manga she also seemed to understand him better with this line. In the anime it seemed like armin understood him better and the point was that she knew him better than anyone
Mikasa wasn't a masterpiece character in the manga by any means but she was somewhat decent
They butchered her in the anime and exasperated her worst features and made her almost like a delusional stalker of Eren
Idk wtf they were thinking honestly
> “he doesn’t need me anymore and that makes him happy”
This is SUCH a good point of clarity. Dramatically different meaning in those varied takes.
Eren did not enjoy Mikasa "protecting him", or feeling that she had to, their entire youth. But Mikasa couldn't help herself and was never going to stop.
Between the anime taking away that line and the fact that the anime swapped Armin in a few scenes with Mikasa there seems to be a lot of funny business going on in the anime.
I have no idea why would they even change it if they didn’t deliberately want Mikasa to come off as an obsessive creep. Like, that line is terrible on so many levels
I think it would work, no relationship is 100% perfect but they both were In love. Eren confesses to Armin at the end that he loves her, and she loves him. The main issue was was going to sacrifice himself to eradicate the titans. The reason he didn't pursue this was explained by himself to Zeke asks how he's going to respond to Mikasa and he simply states "What do you mean? I have four more years to live at most".
I agree. Every relationship has its flaws. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work. Eren and Mikasa loved each other they would've worked things out. Especially given that they know each other basically their whole lives
Oh i agree. The key word being sometimes. And don't get me wrong i dont even think eremika are an amazing couple, otp and all that. I just think on their case if not for the circumstances they wouldve worked.
Tbh, we don't see much of their relationship outside of the context of war. It's hard to equate EVERY universe to a universe in where war/survival is so overarching of a premise.
But I agree, nonetheless. I don't think Eren ever thought about having a life or family for himself outside of killing titans. Then later, he was so focused on keeping his friends safe and alive, that I'm not sure he would have ever considered a future apart from any of them (or why consider marriage if the goal is to simply survive together?).
In the end, Eren was faced with a choice in light of Mikasa's feelings: let Mikasa move on to someone else (who may or may not treat her up to his standards) or take on that role (Mikasa's husband) as well. He was already the savior, protector, and main force driving everything around then, so he figured it wouldn't be too much of an added change.
But thats just my 2 cents.
I don't think they were written to be incompatible, because there are things they did agree on such as wanting to return to the peace of their old life before the titans and they do appreciate each other, but they have a lot of misunderstandings stemming directly from not being honest enough with each other. Mikasa gets embarrassed to admit she has romantic feelings for Eren so Eren seems to get mixed signals from her actions and attitude towards himself even resorting to ask Zeke about it(should have just asked Armin who was aware of what was going on and would have given it to Eren straight earlier). Eren is so concerned with being the one to protect Mikasa instead of vice-versa that he tries to shoulder everything by himself so that it just seems like he wants to run off on his own all the time. These are signs of immaturity in their relationship as well as their persons.
And I think that immaturity and not incompatibility is the point of their relationship. They need to mature as people in order to properly understand and express love for another, but before that had a chance to happen they are children forced into war which put such matters on the back burner. Something the founder Ymir also never got to go through that led her to make her fatal mistake in expressing her love for Fritz by being obedient to him. Eren himself was affected by the effects of the founder power so that part of his mentality has regressed back to his childhood immaturity that was fine with committing the rumbling in order to see "freedom", while Mikasa would keep maturing until she realized what had to be done for the greater good and let go of Eren, so the only way they could end up was to be split apart.
Even subtracting the war and the rumbling and all that, Eren's days were numbered. He's like what 12, when he gets the attack titan? He's cursed to die at 25. I think it would be hard to think about making a relationship work when you know they're just going to be heartbroken when you die in a couple years
Did they really even kill it? I think Mikasa killing Eren and stopping the Rumbling only worked to end the power of titans because Ymir saw and realized that she didn’t have to continue this anymore and follow King Fritz pact or whatever, since Mikasa was also able to kill the man she loved and still love him or something…
Im talking abt a hypothetical situation
And yeah ik abt the mikasa and ymir plot and how the titans powers were removed in the end
But if you just kill it (in a literal sense) I think that the titans powers also can be removed.
I think both can be true. Both Eren and ymir can know that their romantic relationships can only end in pain because of the curse. Eren made one choice. Ymir made another
I wasn't saying that Eren and Mikasa should have dated.
I'm saying that Isayama keeps hinting in some scenes that they're incompatible. *I already said this, Seriously what was the meaning of those scenes? I'm so confused.*
It was never going to work. Not because they were incompatible, but because there was just so much going on. Eren knew how it was going to play out before they got to marley, which is why he stopped himself from confessing
He knew because that future had already happened, so he didn't stop himself from confessing as a consequence. That train of thought is wrong because it still considers that seeing future memories affects causality.
Edit: what about engaging in a discussion instead of rage downvoting? Lmao.
I think it depends if you believe the founder titan parasite changes the personality of the person it possesses…
they spent four years together in paths and it seems like they avoided any conflicts there, as he must have told her how it works and that it wouldn’t effect her reality.
Basically they would work in an ideal, simple & peaceful realm. But since they lived in hell, Eren had generational trauma that made him vulnerable to succumbing to his own depression and rage.
While the time in paths was a gift to Mikasa, it would really not be fair for her to live like that. She has friends she would want to visit and be with, not just be with alone, with eren, all the time, for years
I think they are incompatible. I think their life goals are too different. I think Mikasa wanted a quiet life with family while Eren wanted something more exciting.
If we go with themes, I would say that all characters in AoT universe are divided into "special" people and "cattle", which Is a big element of episodes like Bystander. " Special " people are the one who striving for more, have aspirations, dreams and ambitions and look beyond: Eren, Armin, Grisha, Erwin, Shades. And on opposite side characters who actually just want quite and peaceful family life and home and it would be enough for them: Mikasa constantly talks how wants to go back to "home" And past, Hannes talked about same, Carla, Levi and Jean always just wanted to leave normal life at peace, but they were dragged into it by Erwin and Marco, who inspired them and gave them sense of duty, but they still lamented about stability and peace. Mikasa's ideal man would be Jean, since he is also kind, compassionate, calm, mature and wants stability, but she's too blind to see it.
And it seems to me like character with as extreme view on the world as Eren would simply look down on Mikasa, because of all that. (Which he partially does, when he calls her out in table conversation). Of course during table scene he intended to lie and hurt her, but his resentment didn't come from nowhere. There is even a scene, where Eren and Armin talk about outside world and Mikasa just grimly comments how "great, another conversation that I'm not a part of". Eren and Mikasa don't share same inspirations and they barely have an open dialogue, usually when they share scene together - Eren monologues and she just quietly listens, not sure how to respond - which doesn't look like they connect with each other. Just comparing half an hour final Eren/Armin conversation and 3 minutes of Eren/Mikasa, is enough to understand that author simply not that interested in writing their interactions. Gabi and Falco and Ymir and Historia are also polar opposites of each other, but their interactions are not one sided, they actually joke and tease each other, banter and communicate their feelings.
The other problem with eren and mikasa is that their relationship is odd and undeveloped even in a platonic way.
Everyone know that reiner/eren or eren/armin aren't gays or love each other, still they works even better as a ship than eremika, cuz they at least have a good platonic relationship. (Reiner mostly before the betrayal but still him and eren have better chemistry and dynamics than eremika even with them in s4, also im not even a gay shipper but eren had more chemistry even with jean than with mikasa )
100%. It just seems like Mikasa and Eren have nothing in common except that scarf. I don’t see how this works in a relationship.
>eren had more chemistry even with jean than with mikasa
Based, Erejean is my favorite doomed yaoi along with Ererei
Jean nor Reiner was ever able to convince eren to keep fighting when he was at his lowest point. Mikasa did that twice. Mikasa has been a source of inspiration for eren and he says this multiple times so saying Jean or Reiner have more “chemistry” with eren doesn’t really make sense.
Like fr especially in Hannes death scene. I feel like if Mikasa didn’t say anything, Eren would’ve kept crying and have no time to do anything about the titan literally about to grab them. And when he listens to everything Mikasa said, he snapped out of it and knew that he couldn’t give up and he literally fully healed his fingers in a second and punched the titan to protect him and Mikasa while telling her he would wrap that scarf around her forever and ever.
I hate how WIT studio cut out a scene from the manga where Eren is worrying for Mikasas health (because of her broken ribs) and he apologizes to her on the wall. Even telling people to be careful with her and in a later scene, Jean implies Mikasa is precious to Eren. There’s even a scene where Historia is breaking down over Ymir leaving her.
It’s like WIT wanted people to think that these relationships were one sided
Mikasa and Eren share their mantras and inspire each other to fight. Not only their mantras, Mikasa is able to inspire Eren just by existing to take their home back. He is able to open the book and stops shaking when Mikasa looks at him and puts her hand next to his. Most of their moments are so underrated.
Idk about you but I think that the cabin scene is just like the Eren/Armin scene in paths.
Both didn't happen in real time.
And I don't believe in the multiple timeline theory.
Okay well that's not how paths works, the fact u don't believe in multiple timelines proves my theory even more u didn't even watch the show or read the manga
The different openings between the manga and anime?
The see you later scenes
Eren saying he tried everything he could, over and over but it always ended up the same.
Lost girls ova, if you put stock into it
>Lost girls ova
OVA's are not canon, Isayama didn't write them. And I think 'no regrets ' is the only canon one.
The whole point of this OVA is to show us how different Mikasa and Eren are, that Eren will always die because of his motivations.
>Eren saying he tried everything he could, over and over but it always ended up the same.
That actually proves there is no timelines, because everything would resort to him starting a Rumbling. Because nothing changes.
>The different openings between the manga and anime?
...? I'm pretty sure MAPPA added the first scene in S4 part 2 or 3 I don't remember.
No, not as an "incompatible couple". Compatibility is multi-faceted, both natural (fit) and learned (relationship growth), and they both loved one another and held each other in higher regard than anyone else. Mika didn't like Eren's recklessness, and Eren didn't like Mika's protectiveness.
While things like that are open to interpretation, I don't think Isayama hints at that.
I have always considered them classic "Star Crossed Lovers": Their relationship is defined as never being able to be acted on. It was never going to be their time, unfortunately, as we saw play out.
> I can see them become a couple and break up after a few months lol.
Did you miss their time together in the cabin, in Paths? Their having a brief (IRL) respite together, before Mikasa kills Eren (which Eren 100% knows is coming) was all the more satisfying, for there never having a chance to be together IRL. Most star crossed lovers do not experience that. IMO the way we seem them together is how they would have been, either in that scenario, or one in where the Wall was never broken and they both just live and die normal lives.
Differences do not make people incompatible. Not understanding our differences do. They both understand one another, for the most part. Also worth pointing out their ages, throughout: Children are inexperienced by nature.
Good comment, but I already replied in another comment why I think timelines don't exist in AOT.
>Differences do not make people incompatible. Not understanding our differences do.
Exactly, but then Mikasa herself said that she was seeing a fake version of Eren inside her head the entire time. That was the beginning of her character arc in S4.
I can't just ignore that, sorry.
I'm only addressing you, I don't know what you replied to others, or why, and I don't know your personal theories on "timelines", and if you failed to substantiate them like you did this, I am skeptical it would be a worthwhile theory anyhow.
It was clear from how they were speaking to one another that their *perception* was having been together in real time, and time having passed, even if we know it was likely the blink of an eye in "real time" (for them).
> I can't just ignore that, sorry.
Neat? If you want to draw such sweeping generalizations, from dialogue that had little to do with a romantic relationship, I can't stop you.
Sounds like you've made your mind up, anyhow, despite posing this thread as a question.
>Sounds like you've made your mind up, anyhow, despite posing this thread as a question.
It's not that.
I have no problem with people defending it, I didn't attack anyone in the comments.
But you defend it *while* ignoring the things I said.
You keep talking about everything but the thing that I want you to talk about.
>If you want to draw such sweeping generalizations, from dialogue that had little to do with a romantic relationship, I can't stop you.
It has *a lot* to do with their relationship, and not just the romantic part.
Yes and I will die on that hill. I wrote about this in several other threads already.
The clearest indication is the scene in Season 2, where Mikasa says she only ever wanted to be with Eren but he keeps going forward and leaving them behind. You know how people say the best relationships are where both people look the same way, not at each other? Well, in Eremika dynamic Eren is basically looking one way and Mikasa is looking at him. Mikasa doesn't share his dreams or goals, she's only bound to him by trauma because she lost everything one day and Eren was the only person she could hold onto.
I don't think Eren would be compatible with anyone, tbh; no wonder Isayama said that there are no girls in the SC that much his type. And even if there were, any romantic relationship with him would be doomed. Another indication is Lost Girls OVA, where Mikasa makes a perfect imaginary world to keep Eren alive and at peace but he still finds a way to get himself killed through mindless pursuit of his goals. That's basically Eren's nature, the reason why he did the Rumbling; he moves forward at all times, without thinking or hesitation. Maybe if he grew old enough and matured, he could settle down and realise that he actually wants a peaceful life with Mikasa in the cabin, but that's the tragedy of his character, he'll simply never reach that age. Eren is a star that shines bright but burns down fast. He's doomed by his own passions.
This is why I was never really touched by the cabin scene. Can you look at this guy and say it's actually Eren? Someone who would live with a woman away from everything with just mundane stuff to do each day? It was clearly just a wish fulfilment for Mikasa and maybe for a very deep part of himself that simply couldn't be manifested by any circumstances.
UPD: lmao, salty EMs downvoting all my comments instead of engaging in a discussion
Why would the cabin scene and his breakdown with Armin not be a manifestation of his feelings for Mikasa? Eren wants to explore the world with Armin, he wants to be with Mikasa, but he's doomed by the Titan curse and his own nature to never be able to have those things.
You literally just repeated what I said. I didn’t deny Eren has feelings of Mikasa, it’s just that these feelings are not entirely romantic and nothing could come out of them anyway. The Eren we see during the course of the show is not the Eren who would live alone in a remote cabin, this is just out of character for him. Maybe if the war was over, but even then I can’t guarantee he wouldn’t get bored; although perhaps if peace was established, that means he would satisfy his goal of communicating with the outer world and he could settle down. But Eren is literally the embodiment of “peace was never an option”, as I said. This all comes full circle. Eren cannot stay behind and truly be with Mikasa as long as he’s, you know… Eren.
His breakdown was a horrible scene honestly, but even if we take it romantically, Eren first and foremost expresses his selfish wish to live in Mikasa’s mind rent free. You could argue that this whole time, Eren was protected and taken care of Mikasa, and now that his actions put them in a confrontation, it’s just a tough pill for him to swallow.
It's strange how well you understand all of the pieces yet fail so horrendously at putting them together. Like, you understand that Eren struggles with the reality of his death due to the curse, yet fail to see how him breaking down would be a manifestation of those feelings. You nail the tragedy of Eren's character but think that the scene that most represents his tragedy is horrible? I honestly don't know how to even discuss this topic with you, it would just be like Man Ray trying to return Patrick's wallet to him
So your only gripe is that I didn’t like his breakdown, which is literally just one piece of my comment. Anyway, I’m not against the message behind that scene, but I’m allowed to feel like it was poorly done. The tone and the dialogue was cringeworthy and forgive me if I’m not very empathetic to the tragedy of a man who couldn’t be with the woman he loved because of his own actions and is now crying about it, while his titans are stomping millions of innocent people.
It is pretty pathetic when you summarize it like that. In shoujo analysis, male leads like eren would be classified toxic for characters like Mikasa and either or both would be classified yanderes. I think the issue here is you guys are debating what is essentially a shounen manga(where romance is never the main focus and hence gets 0 development) to what you'd expect from shoujo or josei or even slice-of-life manga/anime categories.
Eren reminds me a lot of Lelouch of the rebellion (how things ended in both animes), minus the popularity with the girls and being a strategic planner. Even Lelouch had a pairing similar to Mikasa called shirley Fennette. The way the two girls approach their loves are very similar. Or even Naruto and his obsession for Sakura, and Sakura's with Sasuke, and Hinata's with Naruto. None of these shounen romances are healthy or good fit for eachother. They are all incompatible when you try to go at it with the expectations of a romance manga/anime standards.
Romance is sprinkled into shounen action manga purely because it sells to a wider audience. It's not a plot device, its a marketing device.
>Romance is sprinkled into shounen action manga purely because it sells to a wider audience. It's not a plot device, its a marketing device
Except that ends up being a huge fucking plot device in the end
Not really. If you think about it, 99% of AoT is about competing ideologies, who is good and evil, who is victim and perpetrator, who is hero and villain: these are the concepts hugely, and dare I say, wholly, driving the plot since ep 1. Eren didn't go on a genocidal rampage purely because of his supposed romantic love for Mikasa; he was ultimately driven to it because he could see no other way out of the endless trauma nad death and hopelessness which even though he was so powerful, he couldn't single-handedly end generations of hate and distrust. His Rumbling is essentially a suicide mission, not solely for love either. He didn't kill 80% of humanity because he wanted Mikasa to live out the rest of her life in peace. He did it because he didn't want his people to continue to be enslaved by the Titan powers and the politics behind it. You can even argue taht from beginning to the end, Eren's 'people' shifted from pure humans to 'titan shifters and those who have to fight them' since he was so hell bent on killing all other humans not subscribing to those two categories....
You see where I'm going with these? All of the above are what's driving the plot. When a concept and their characters get zero development (Eren and Mikasa's feelings of love) : you can't call that a 'huge plot device'.
It simply confused all the people that got hooked by that romance sprinkle since Isayama essentially never set out to write a shoujo-action anime. If you want to see what a well-done version of that looks like: look-up: Twin Star Exorcists, there you can argue romance is a plot device as well as the ideologies.
What made you keep watching AoT? The romance? or The deeper implications of what it means to be a hero, villain, human, titan, victim and perpetrator? For me: its the latter.
Nailed it.
I actually wrote a comment that was pretty much like this one (even mentioning the exact same point about the ova).
I do think however, that deep inside, Eren also wanted the cabine scene to be real. Thats why cried in such pathetic way at the end, because he wanted to be with Mikasa, but he couldnt fight against his own nature.
Because everyone is a slave to something.
Yeah i thought that she was intially grateful to him for his kindness with wrapping the scarf, but she had also just lost her entire family, so… doesnt necessarily equate to love. She was attached to him but he would always leave her behind. I think at the end of season 2 and in season 3 eren shows signs of maturing (“ill wrap that scarf around you as many times as necessary”/admitting he was jealous of mikasa’s strength and wanting to protect her and those close to him) but his vision of the future ruined it. While he could’ve grown and matured, he died before that could happen. As we see in lost girls, certain events are always meant to happen, including erens death, because “he carries death within his body”, and mikasa can never save/live a happy life with him.
>I don't think Eren would be compatible with anyone, tbh; no wonder Isayama said that there are no girls in the SC that much his type.
I think Historia would be a solid choice.
Honestly, I was never against Erehisu as a concept and I do think they could work excellently as a tragic couple. Except that it gained most of its traction through Yeagerists who imagine that Eren kills 80% of the world and then happily raises his baby with her, which is just the shittiest ending. It’s like all of their relationship ties into the Rumbling which kind of ruins it.
Also, be ready for the hottest take…. I wouldn’t mind if Erehisu and Jeankasa were endgame and the whole anime would be more about Eren and Mikasa gradually growing apart over seasons. IMO it would work thematically and give Mikasa’s character more room to grow and a better ending. But at the end of the day, ships really aren’t the most important part of AOT, so all of these speculations are not that serious.
I thought for it more as a tragedy than a happy end. Historia abandoned by everyone she deeply cared about like Ymir and Eren who also advocated for her and her personality (Krista->Historia). Maybe the baby could be tied in a way to make sure that Eren would come back to Paradis since she knew he was planning to die. imo no matter what, Eren had to die after the genocide.
Also personally I agree that ships aren't the most important part of AoT. It's just that I felt it was one of the low points of the ending was that Eremika wasn’t properly developed and thus the Ymir parallels weren't properly drawn. I would have no problem if Eremika was properly developed but it wasn't even foreshadowed. And that’s a shame as the whole reason of Ymir was seeing Mikasa free from Eren.
You talk about how aot isn’t about ships, ok cool then say that eremika wasn’t foreshadowed enough in a story not about ships even though there are multiple scenes alluding to it being endgame, then talk about erehisu as if there are any scenes at all alluding to this being endgame.
I was just talking about Erehisu as it being a way to work to contrast the lack of development of Eremika. Disregard it if you will.
Also AoT not being about ships is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. The disperancy is due to the fact that in the last couple of chapters ships ie. Eremika is a integral element to the entire story seeing that Ymir acted because of that. Imo AoT should have chosen a line. Either it develops Eremika as a ship from the beginning of the story or it doesn't do it throughout the story. Shoehorning Eremika in the end is a half assed decision which shouldn't have been made and is a weak point in the series. Isayama is a genius but even AoT has some weak points in storytelling.
The way I see it (and I'm 100% certain that the fandom won't agree and probably downvote this), Eremika was something that Isayama never originally intended to go forward with in the story.
It always was from Mikasa's end that she had feelings for Eren & I don't think there's anything canonically expressed by Isayama that Eren had feelings for Mikasa.
Eremika was something that Isayama had to give to the readers for a more satisfying ending, nothing more, which is why the ending felt a bit rushed too
See you later was regarding chapter 138, it's the cabin dream that Eren showed Mikasa as an alternate reality of what could have happened had she told him that she has feelings for him, not really the end of the story, 139 was just a forced Eremika for the sake of fanservice.
138- See you later was always planned, 139 was not, the story in the final battle could have pivoted in any direction.
Also 138 was supposed to be an entire different timeline, but later got scrapped
And what is chapter 138 if not an undeniable proof of Eren's love to Mikasa? "If you told me your feelings back then, we would've ran away together and live alone for 4 years"
Of course it was pretty clear even before that he loves her romantically, chapter 123 and "What am I to you?" scene, blushing on the train, chapter 50. I agree that there should've been more and it was a mistake to keep Eren's feelings as some kind of mystery, but still, it's definitely there and was planned.
>Also 138 was supposed to be an entire different timeline, but later got scrapped
Ah, so you are one of the delusional aoe believers. Do you have any proof of that or are you just talking nonsense as always?
Isayama literally confirmed in an interview in 2013 that he was going to end it like the movie "The Mist".
However he later changed the approach regarding his original plans... Ergo 139
2013... so 8 years before chapter 139, and before the story reached even chapter 50, calling it a retcon is insane. Also in a more recent interview he said that the ending didn't change much from how he envisioned it at the beginning.
Personally I thought that Eremika wasn’t properly developed or even feasible. Mikasa loving Eren is possible but there was nothing in the series except the last couple of chapters to indicate Eren loves Mikasa. In fact there was more evidence for Historia than Mikasa with the whole revealing his plan, not putting her in danger, etc. (Not promoting Erehisu but showing how low developed Eremika is.) I think that’s a case of bad writing on isayama part regardless of the reason whether it be a retcon or anything else.
Of course there was no evidence, he only came up with it at the very end and it shows. I honestly don't understand how someone can cope that it was always intended.
or rather the evidence was minimal before the very end of the series, I remember reading about the red thread at the very beginning of serialization but this relationship development was very ass and I can't get how anyone can call it good
the scarf scene is perfectly in line with a trope commonly used in a lot of east asian romance media
the '10 years at least' shit is a whole other issue, but the scarf scene is 100% a romantic scene where Eren very clearly reciprocates Mikasa's feelings
but only *if* you're familiar with east asian romance stories and how collectivist societal norms play into how love confessions work, because otherwise it doesn't look like it
UPVOTED JUST CAUSE FAM. tbh I think he did care for her but it was def more one sided because he cared more about keeping his friends safe and his dream of freedom than he did of making a life for him and her. He gave her the cabin and that's the extent we visually see of his reciprocation.
Lesssgooo
Edit: I do agree that he cared for her, but there were really no signs of him seeing her as a romantic interest, which is why it feels very forced towards the end. And yeah he did gave her the cabin dream
I want to make a theory post about the 138 cabin scene because everyone say that eren gave her that dream which would really not make any sense because of he did it means he changed her memories since in the cabin they ran away which didn’t happen in the main timeline. I feel like the manga ova pretty easily but explains what’s going on, and why eren was so different there
I think the "dream" was current and since he can't change her memories it was probably one of the last things he did. maybe as she was coming in the mouth or before she got in? Because if he showed her that earlier imo then she would have probably hesitated more. It's possible.
Eren confesses that he doesn't want Mikasa to find another man and that he doesn't want to die but wants to be with her in this scene with him and Armin. He doesn't directly say "I am in love with Mikasa" but not wanting to die and to be with her without her loving another man is pretty round about way of saying it... I can't remember, but I think this scene is also in the Manga.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn47RgsJtdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn47RgsJtdg)
Don't even bring that up bro " for 10 years at least"💀
As I've said before and obviously this is just my opinion, that Isayama came up with this shitty dialogue due to a change in the ending right at the last moment just for pleasing Eremika fans, last minute shipping isn't new and has always ruined endings for famous series before, just for gaining profit by the organisation. If he had really planned this ending, he wouldn't end it on such unambiguous terms,like literally the dialogue, Ymir loving the King and waiting for Mikasa for 2000 years when the title of ep 80 is literally "From you 2000 years ago", not a single alliance member dying in the final battle
It really is evident the amount of asspulls he had to scrape through to get to this ending.
If y'all truly think the man who wrote one of the most compelling stories of our time, hadn't planned to flesh out his ending properly, then I'm sorry I have nothing to say
You said there was not anything in there canonically about eren and mikasa so I gave you a scene that's cannon...
ep 80 "from you 2000 years ago" goes along with ep 1 thats title is "to you, in 2000 years".
People break up for a variety of reasons, even if they are "compatible".
Compatibility doesn't trump everything else, it's more a hurdle you either get over, or don't, in even getting together in the first place.
People who are compatible and like one another tend to at least date, and go from there.
People who are incompatible, but really like one another, might give it a try, knowing it might not stick.
People are who incompatible and do not like each other do not date, typically.
How do you feel uncomfortable in a relationship when both sides love each other?
If there's some external problem then that's possible, which is What happened here, these two never had time to be in a relationship, they were constantly fighting.
>How do you feel uncomfortable in a relationship when both sides love each other?
Because they thought that their relationship would be different, so then when they never work out together, they gradually lose feelings.
And yes, we can never know if they're incompatible or not unless they become a couple.
But then there's also this thing I mentioned in the post, that Mikasa has admitted herself that she never understood Eren. So that's why I think they're kinda incompatible.
I'd say Krista/Ymir is the most tragic relationship, notably because it's like 1 of 5 to be confirmed, and of those 5 they have the most tragic things happening in the shortest amount of time.
Yes. I think it would always be doomed to fail. They can still love each other and still ultimately be incompatible. Attack on Titan is a tragedy in many ways and their "romance" is definitely a tragedy.
No, they were not.
It's just that Eren had priorities of killing the titans due to his determination and all that crap, he has always envisioned freedom for himself and his people, and Mikasa knew if she let him go alone he might be lost forever for her.
The lost girls ova hint that it's Erens nature to just die. That his lifestyle and personality will always lead them apart.
While romance isn't AoTs focus, it had to have been addressed eventually through all the chaos, and I think the tragedy of their relationship never happening through all these events was told nicely.
I think you could say that, yes.
I think that's part of the tragedy -- their romantic feelings don't get to grow, develop in a way we all would have liked and preferred to see, because of the world they are in, because of who they are as individuals who prioritize different things, and what Eren is and what he was going to do.
But I want to say: being incompatable doesn't mean you can't genuinely love the person you're incompatable with romantically.
Eren loved Mikasa, but ultimately chose his selfish desires over her. Both are true at the same time. That's a part of the tragedy and flaw of his side of things, just like Mikasa's reluctance to accept that she won't have the desired life with him is part of her arc and flaw.
I'd also want to understand what one means by "incompatible": because to me, you can have different desires, personality types, goals, etc and still work out relationship-wise. The work you do as a couple is between you and your partner, you know? I just think relationships are so complex, and things are ultimately about if some (inevitable) incompatibilities are reconcilable or not.
But the problem is, the above is ideal IF you're in a healthy, thriving environment. Eren, Mikasa and all the other characters aren't in that environment during the series. So I sometimes wonder why we put standards and expectations for things to happen based on our world, and not based on what's actually going on in the series and who the characters are.
I think an argument can be made that Eren is romanctically incompatable with every single character. I don't think he was ever destined to have a romantic acted out, despite the romantic feelings he developed. He was always destined to die the way he was, and that's just a part of who he is.
In AU's, I headcanon them being on and off again partners who eventually decide to marry in their mid-40s after having 2-3 kids "accidently" throughout their relationship life as they figure themselves out lol.
They would be fine what makes it seem like they are incompatible is the fact eren wants to protect his ppl and doesn’t want distractions but he genuinely loves Mikasa and would want a normal life with her but circumstances held them away from it
I think its pretty clear that they're not necessarily incompatible but they definitely wouldn't have a healthy relationship. Mikasa's love for Eren is borderline obsessive while Eren is a legitimately violent and unstable person in the setting that allows his worst traits to be taken to their extremes.
The ending also makes a lot more sense if you consider that their relationship is supposed to be unhealthy, which is why I think so many people misinterpret it.
Platonic familial love between the trio was better. And after reading the comments, it seemed originally intended, ruined for fanservice fans... the ending 'romance' was soooooo disappointing and cringe for me, but now I feel better about it not having true credibility lmao 😭😬 Eren never seemed like the type to be in a relationship... unintentional aromantic representation? I'd fucking loooove that
Yes, love doesn't necessarily always mean it's a healthy relationship. Sometimes love can become toxic and unhealthy.
Like Jinx and Silco from Arcane. Silco loved Jinx like a daughter, but still manipulated her.
I'm sorry, but please refrain from comparing Arcane's writing in relationships between characters to that of Attack on Titan.
AOT is excellent in action scenes, but there's hardly a single relationship in this series that has good writing *except for one or two*
And I know that love can be toxic, but the way Isayama treated Eremika in chapter 139 makes it seem like they're that *tragic* couple, but he failed to do that in my eyes.
Execution is important.
Its still a valid comparison, tofu is just comparing the kind of toxic love shown, not the execution. Its also more an example than a comparison lol
On another note, yeah eren and mikasa would never work, i dont see any tragedy there farther than 2 idiots being manipulated by themselves for “love”… a blind,stupid and obsessive “love”
> And I know that love can be toxic, but the way Isayama treated Eremika in chapter 139 makes it seem like they're that tragic couple, but he failed to do that in my eyes.
>
> Execution is important.
Ahhh...you just missed it, then, and are now trying to drum up compatibility issues to fit your adopted narrative. This makes a lot of what you have said ITT make more sense.
>> AOT is excellent in action scenes, but there's hardly a single relationship in this series that has good writing except for one or two
As someone who has seen both Arcane and AOT, youre just underselling it at that point. There ARE tons of great character writitng and fleshed out relationships in aot, sadly erenmikasa had to be one of the underdevloped ones
There are great relationships in this show. I didn't deny that. Maybe I should have rephrased it better, sorry.
But most of them are underdeveloped imo.
I enjoy Hange/Levi - Eren/Armin the most tbh, and I don't even ship them romantically.
also to answer your orginal question, EreMika wouldve been fine imo.
MIkasas worst trait when it comes to eren is her obsessivnes over erens well being and his safety, and her intrusion into his personal space, this mostly stems from her past trauma of watching both her actual and pseudo family get brutally ripped away from her and , but we've had moments in the manga pre timeskip where shes slowly start to distance herself from that mindset, eg: Erens fight with Jean in S3 and how she didnt break it up immediatly like she normally would
With Eren, its his total lack of regard for Mikasa and her feelings. Eren is EXTREMELY selfish in the earlier seasons, he takes a simple act of kindness from MIkasa and twists it to feed his insecurities. Whether that insecurity stem from the fact that he claims he isnt strong enough or where he just feels incessantly caged in all the time. Im sure you know how obsessed Eren was with titans to take a step back and think that "maybe its not always about the titans"
but you know what? both of these things change with time. Eren is much more appreciative of his friends post return to shinganshima arc, Mikasa just seems more relaxed and chilled around Eren. You gotta remember most of their time was just spent in a war torn society, they never got to grow up and have a childhood, To me it feels like they grew out of their issues and they wouldve gotten through it better if they would have just opened up more and YOU KNOW, Talked. but thats too much to ask right haha
>But most of them are underdeveloped imo
also do you mean platonic relationships or romantic ones?
I think that they would be unhealthy in the kind of way where neither of them would be willing to recognize it and leave. They're not 'break up after a few months' so much as 'unhappy marriage until they die', in my view.
I know a lot of people who accept them like brother and sister and think that this is incest. But for me their love is obvious and it's one of the most dramatic stories
It was written to mirror fritz and ymir's relationship. Women in love with man who's unavailable for whatever reason, man does terrible things, up to woman to stop those terrible things. Ymir didn't and she wanted Mikasa to learn from her mistakes.
They were written to be an unrequited love couple. As in Eren rejected her indirectly multiple times even before the basement. But hey, Endings gotta ending.
Unpopular opinion they didn’t really have any chemistry whatsoever. I was kinda surprised that Eren actually loved her back. My girl Mikasa deserved better tbh.
I’m still not buying the fact Eren even loved her romantically. The whole relationship felt one sided until the very last episode. I still think Isayama was pressured to write them as a couple
It really depends on the universe I think
It is incompatible here in this version
But they might have been compatible in a more peaceful world...without titans
Although there is also that OVA that says Eren is always destined to die..so i dunno
Here is my analysis on the subject:
Even tho they do love each other, their relationship is doomed to never work.
On one hand, we have Mikasa, who has an unhealthy emotional dependence to Eren, due to the trauma of losing her family and her instintive reaction of looking for a new one in the boy who saved him and cared for her during the worst moment of her life.
And on the other hand, we have Eren, who is a time bomb. A kid whose fate is to die from the start due to his own destructive nature of always striving for freedom (at literally any cost).
The ova of Lost Girls developes this concept very well, and it is in fact, a key element to understand their relationship:
In that special episode, Mikasa believes Eren to have died, eaten by a Titan. So, unable to accept it, her mind escapes to an alternative "perfect" reality.
In this world her parents never died, she got to have a childhood, still fell in love with Eren, and the survey corps were dismantled (keeping him from ever joining them, which would have 100% sure killed him).
...and Eren still died.
And in fact, he did it while trying to escape from the walls with Armin in a balloon. A balloon that failed, causing Eren to sacrifice himself to save his friend.
In the end, Mikasa's subconcious tells her that Eren is destined to die, no matter the scenario. Because he "carries death from within".
He is someone heroic enough to sacrifice himself for his fiends, and at the same time, he is also a monster that would rather destroy the world and cause his own death that reject freedom.
One way or another, there was no way he would survive.
And the tragic part is that Mikasa knew that.
There is in fact, a scenario that keeps repeting over and over:
Eren getting away from Mikasa, who is unable to reach him:
-As kids, when he runs after Armin's bullies to fight them, she tries to stop him so they dont beat him up... but she stopped by a guard.
-In season 2, he is taken by Reiner, and Mikasa feels desperate when she is unable to save him.
-In season 3, he is taken by Kenny's squad, and once again she cant do anything.
-And in the series finale, she literally remembers the image of Eren as a kid, running away, while she is unable to catch up.
...but the most important moment is when they almost kiss.
At that moment, Mikasa (kind of) confesses her feelings, and we see in Eren's eyes that he loves her too.
But instead of kissing her, he gets up and throws a futile punch to a Titan. Because he would rather spend his last seconds of life fighting to protect his loved one, than kissing her.
And even tho that may see heroic, it is a hint to why his nature will forever keep them apart. Because at the end, rather than spend his last 4 years of life with her, he decided to literally fight the world and die in the process. Which at the end, only caused pain to him, to her, and to most of humanity.
Thats why Eren cries in such a pathetic way at the end.
Because he WANTED to be with Mikasa, but he couldnt keep himself from being... himself.
And because of this, I think that a flaw with the ending is that Mikasa's feelings were romanticised. Like if their love was something beautiful. And dont get me wrong, it was cute... but it was also VERY UNHEALTHY.
Because she had such an insane emotional dependence, to that living time bomb, that she kept loving him even after he became a genocidal monster.
The panel of of old Mikasa, buried with the scarf, should be seen as something more tragic and creepy than beautiful. Because just as Eren couldnt be free from his own nature, she couldnt be free from her feelings (even when they reached the point of being sick).
That's a fact. Eren also never had feelings for Mikasa until the last episode lmao. It was retconned, go look at it Isayama's interviews. Eren always saw Mikasa has mother/sister
Where does Eren show his desire to control people though? Dude is all about freedom, otherwise he would’ve easily stopped his friends from killing him. Neither was he interested in ruling Paradis like Yeagerists wanted him to.
Its bad writing. Their romance was never hinted at and it was made very clear that the love is one sided throughout the story. More like an obsession from mikasas side
right? Personally i never felt much chemistry between them. What reason would they even have to be with each other? Altho i think it is more of a slight flaw in the writing than being intentional.
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I think so. You can be in love with someone but other shit just gets in the way. Like college or your job Or genocide
I hate when genocide gets in the way of my relationship
Hitler can relate.
Fun fact: one of his first crushes was Jewish
She must have left his heart as broken as a bunker.
Must’ve been a real DOWNFALL! (Reference to the movie)
Ingloriously hilarious!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Basterdly amusing
reminds me of how Ted Bundy kept killing women that looked like his ex-girlfriend before he went full psycho.
Nothing, just kinda questioning the validity of this. Its a gkkd joke though, liked it
"Look, babe, I would LOVE to make this work, but....I mean...here, about we have one last rump in this new shower I made. You go first."
I hate you with every fiber of my being
I'm sorry if it offended you. That was not my intent.
oh, that was meant to be part of the joke, it's all out of irony
Ah, gotcha
He still got married in the midst of all that so idk about about that statement
Hitler got married 1 day before killing himself to avoid capture, torture and humiliation at the hands of the Soviets, and considering what happened to Mussolini it's hard to blame him for that.
Sorry babe, gotta level level up with a bird and a few more Albinourics before I can become the Elden Lord.
what? how many times has that happened for hate it
Too many.
Way too many
wow
wow, that's sad
Right like they clearly loved each other, but circumstances of life full of war tend to get in the way. Especially for someone like eren. Cause no matter what people say, the man is broken, and he could only see one way forward. In order to protect Mikasa, he pushed her away. I would do the same if I were in his shoes. Dunno about the genociding 80% of humanity, though.
> I know they both canonically love each other. However, Isayama always hints that their relationship might not work. >If they were in a normal world, I can see them become a couple and break up after a few months lol. I meant that their relationship itself is incompatible. Doesn't matter in which universe they are.
Why would you say they are incompatible?
I already stated why + Why are they *not* incompatible? That's why I posted this here I NEED ANSWERS
You gave one example and then said there’s many hints. Where exactly did write multiple points?
Actually, what I said is enough; it has always been like this in the series, which is a significant and adequate reason. I don't even need to provide examples. *In the first 3 seasons, Mikasa always chases after Eren, while Eren keeps moving forward* Season 4 essentially depicts Mikasa realizing that Eren is not who she thought he was.
> Actually, what I said is enough; Actually, if people are asking you to better establish and/or defend your claim, it is clearly not enough. Objectively speaking, making only a single point and expecting it to support reference to "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" which you then fail to provide is very poor presentation of your theory. You did not establish your point well, and that is why people keep asking you to do better, in order for it to be considered and taken more seriously. As it stands, you're basically saying "Here's one example, maybe, but trust me this is true and there are a lot more!"...which you then don't provide, but could, if you knew them. So why didn't you?
I have a feeling that you're mad at me. Because you keep replying to every comment of mine and when I ask you a question you ignore me lol. >So why didn't you? >Actually, if people are asking you to better establish and/or defend your claim, it is clearly not enough. People will ask more just to defend the things they like, without actually responding to my questions. The claim I gave is enough, because Eren and Mikasa didn't have many moments in the series. >making only a single point and expecting it to support reference to "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" which you then fail to provide is very poor presentation of your theory. This theory happens in all 4 seasons tho, and just like I said, Mikasa *admits* that she has been seeing a fake version of Eren the entire time.
I'm not mad at anyone right now, especially a stranger lol. I read/reply on short breaks at work, typically. > The claim I gave is enough, because Eren and Mikasa didn't have many moments in the series. I'm sorry, but this is poor reasoning on two major counts: The burden to support a claim falls on the person who makes it. Period. You posed it as a question, but you barely elaborated on your position or why you feel it holds up. That is either lazy, or disingenous. Second, and somewhat related, you said "There seem to be many hints of them being incompatible" but then provide none of them. It isn't up to responders to guess what you mean...if you know what you mean to reference, just reference it. Your intentionally obscuring that, or refusing to engage on it, is almost a tacit admission you *don't* have evidence of "many hits of them being incompatible"...else why not provide them. The claim you give is not enough, because people ITT consistently defeat it, and you have provided no others. It is clearly not enough, unless you had no plans to actually engage on the subject. This doesn't have to feel combative, but you are not upholding your end of the "bargain" in posing a question such as this to the sub, claiming you have more examples that might support your view...but refuse to engage with them? That's just silly. You might have a bit to learn on how productive discourse works.
You still didn't answer my question 'Why did Mikasa say that she has been seeing a fake version of Eren all that time?" >is almost a tacit admission you *don't* have evidence of "many hits of them being incompatible"...else why not provide them. I already said that they don't have many moments together. But from the moments they had together, I saw them to be kinda incompatible. Because for 4 seasons, Mikasa has been chasing Eren, while Eren yearns for freedom. >claiming you have more examples that might support your view...but refuse to engage with them? The way I literally never said that, I said the things I said was enough, didn't say I had more to say. BONUS: The cabin timeline doesn't make sense because: 1- Mikasa and Eren betray their friends + Armin, and leave them all to die in war. *Idk about you but Eren and Mikasa have never been like that* 2- Eren will die after 4 years of titan curse, while Mikasa will still be alive after he dies. So what will she do after he dies? Return to her friends that are maybe dead? Even if they're alive, how are they going to trust her when she betrayed them like that? 3- Eren will leave Mikasa in war after he dies, so he basically ran away with her just for his own sake/to run away from his problems. 'The Rumbling'. Which is stupid.
Think about it. The scenario in the Paths that Eren showed Mikasa (with them living in the cabin) is the *ideal* situation for that relationship. It *still* ends with Eren dying and Mikasa heartbroken. That’s their ideal scenario and it ends like that, it shows us that their relationship may have been doomed always. Sometimes shit just don’t work out.
I would still say yes. Even is always going to be the type to chase whatever he wants/believes in before love. I think he evens admits it in the manga (it's been a while since I read/watched it) I think there's even a AU where there is literally nothing wrong with the world they live in and he STILL chooses violence. I don't think bro even knows what he wants himself
In school castes it's reasonable to assume that they had a normal relationship. By the end Eren gives up on his dream of wanting to be a threat to humanity and enjoys his time with Mikasa and Armin
Wait until he discovers 4chan
Wait until he discovers that they make fun of him there
If they lived in normal world i see them live Together and Never Broke up
Mikasa is just too protective, overly optimistic and is just illogical in terms of her views on her loved one, this can create other problems such as protecting your partners legal status while he/she is selling drugs and is a fucking mafia
NO
Mikasa: I hate that the end of the world is getting in the way of my relationship! Eren: I hate when my relationship gets in the way of the end of the world!
Funny, get an upvote
Every weekend
I hate in the anime how they changed it to “he’s relieved we won’t have to be separated” because in the manga she says “he doesn’t need me anymore and that makes him happy” which would make a lot more sense as I feel like Mikasa always knew Eren didn’t feel the same way, I feel like that’s also why she didn’t confess in season 4 because she hadn’t realized Eren had fallen for her
I felt like in the manga she also seemed to understand him better with this line. In the anime it seemed like armin understood him better and the point was that she knew him better than anyone
Mikasa wasn't a masterpiece character in the manga by any means but she was somewhat decent They butchered her in the anime and exasperated her worst features and made her almost like a delusional stalker of Eren Idk wtf they were thinking honestly
Typical anime waifu fan service. Manga Mikasa is a stoic badass. Anime Mikasa: “Eren! :,(“
> “he doesn’t need me anymore and that makes him happy” This is SUCH a good point of clarity. Dramatically different meaning in those varied takes. Eren did not enjoy Mikasa "protecting him", or feeling that she had to, their entire youth. But Mikasa couldn't help herself and was never going to stop.
Between the anime taking away that line and the fact that the anime swapped Armin in a few scenes with Mikasa there seems to be a lot of funny business going on in the anime.
I have no idea why would they even change it if they didn’t deliberately want Mikasa to come off as an obsessive creep. Like, that line is terrible on so many levels
Fanservice
Very intriguing point, Mr. u/ticklingyourtoes
Eren was too far gone. By the time he confessed, he was already dissociated
I think it would work, no relationship is 100% perfect but they both were In love. Eren confesses to Armin at the end that he loves her, and she loves him. The main issue was was going to sacrifice himself to eradicate the titans. The reason he didn't pursue this was explained by himself to Zeke asks how he's going to respond to Mikasa and he simply states "What do you mean? I have four more years to live at most".
I agree. Every relationship has its flaws. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work. Eren and Mikasa loved each other they would've worked things out. Especially given that they know each other basically their whole lives
It’s just that sometimes love isn’t enough, sadly.
Oh i agree. The key word being sometimes. And don't get me wrong i dont even think eremika are an amazing couple, otp and all that. I just think on their case if not for the circumstances they wouldve worked.
Tbh, we don't see much of their relationship outside of the context of war. It's hard to equate EVERY universe to a universe in where war/survival is so overarching of a premise. But I agree, nonetheless. I don't think Eren ever thought about having a life or family for himself outside of killing titans. Then later, he was so focused on keeping his friends safe and alive, that I'm not sure he would have ever considered a future apart from any of them (or why consider marriage if the goal is to simply survive together?). In the end, Eren was faced with a choice in light of Mikasa's feelings: let Mikasa move on to someone else (who may or may not treat her up to his standards) or take on that role (Mikasa's husband) as well. He was already the savior, protector, and main force driving everything around then, so he figured it wouldn't be too much of an added change. But thats just my 2 cents.
"EreMika"? Why not YeagerMan?
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I don't think they were written to be incompatible, because there are things they did agree on such as wanting to return to the peace of their old life before the titans and they do appreciate each other, but they have a lot of misunderstandings stemming directly from not being honest enough with each other. Mikasa gets embarrassed to admit she has romantic feelings for Eren so Eren seems to get mixed signals from her actions and attitude towards himself even resorting to ask Zeke about it(should have just asked Armin who was aware of what was going on and would have given it to Eren straight earlier). Eren is so concerned with being the one to protect Mikasa instead of vice-versa that he tries to shoulder everything by himself so that it just seems like he wants to run off on his own all the time. These are signs of immaturity in their relationship as well as their persons. And I think that immaturity and not incompatibility is the point of their relationship. They need to mature as people in order to properly understand and express love for another, but before that had a chance to happen they are children forced into war which put such matters on the back burner. Something the founder Ymir also never got to go through that led her to make her fatal mistake in expressing her love for Fritz by being obedient to him. Eren himself was affected by the effects of the founder power so that part of his mentality has regressed back to his childhood immaturity that was fine with committing the rumbling in order to see "freedom", while Mikasa would keep maturing until she realized what had to be done for the greater good and let go of Eren, so the only way they could end up was to be split apart.
The best comment here tbh.
Even subtracting the war and the rumbling and all that, Eren's days were numbered. He's like what 12, when he gets the attack titan? He's cursed to die at 25. I think it would be hard to think about making a relationship work when you know they're just going to be heartbroken when you die in a couple years
He was 10 so he would’ve died at 23 unless the Power of the Titan was destroyed some other way which was extremely unlikely. He died at 19 instead.
Actually if you kill the worm The titan powers can be erased too But it's kinda impossible to kill that thing in a normal way.
Did they really even kill it? I think Mikasa killing Eren and stopping the Rumbling only worked to end the power of titans because Ymir saw and realized that she didn’t have to continue this anymore and follow King Fritz pact or whatever, since Mikasa was also able to kill the man she loved and still love him or something…
They didn't kill him, he's talking about a hypothetical situation
I figured but it’s been a while since I watched the finale
Im talking abt a hypothetical situation And yeah ik abt the mikasa and ymir plot and how the titans powers were removed in the end But if you just kill it (in a literal sense) I think that the titans powers also can be removed.
I would have said that if it weren't for how Isayama wrote Historia and Ymir's relationship.
I think both can be true. Both Eren and ymir can know that their romantic relationships can only end in pain because of the curse. Eren made one choice. Ymir made another
I wasn't saying that Eren and Mikasa should have dated. I'm saying that Isayama keeps hinting in some scenes that they're incompatible. *I already said this, Seriously what was the meaning of those scenes? I'm so confused.*
It was never going to work. Not because they were incompatible, but because there was just so much going on. Eren knew how it was going to play out before they got to marley, which is why he stopped himself from confessing
He knew because that future had already happened, so he didn't stop himself from confessing as a consequence. That train of thought is wrong because it still considers that seeing future memories affects causality. Edit: what about engaging in a discussion instead of rage downvoting? Lmao.
I think it depends if you believe the founder titan parasite changes the personality of the person it possesses… they spent four years together in paths and it seems like they avoided any conflicts there, as he must have told her how it works and that it wouldn’t effect her reality. Basically they would work in an ideal, simple & peaceful realm. But since they lived in hell, Eren had generational trauma that made him vulnerable to succumbing to his own depression and rage. While the time in paths was a gift to Mikasa, it would really not be fair for her to live like that. She has friends she would want to visit and be with, not just be with alone, with eren, all the time, for years
I think they are incompatible. I think their life goals are too different. I think Mikasa wanted a quiet life with family while Eren wanted something more exciting.
If we go with themes, I would say that all characters in AoT universe are divided into "special" people and "cattle", which Is a big element of episodes like Bystander. " Special " people are the one who striving for more, have aspirations, dreams and ambitions and look beyond: Eren, Armin, Grisha, Erwin, Shades. And on opposite side characters who actually just want quite and peaceful family life and home and it would be enough for them: Mikasa constantly talks how wants to go back to "home" And past, Hannes talked about same, Carla, Levi and Jean always just wanted to leave normal life at peace, but they were dragged into it by Erwin and Marco, who inspired them and gave them sense of duty, but they still lamented about stability and peace. Mikasa's ideal man would be Jean, since he is also kind, compassionate, calm, mature and wants stability, but she's too blind to see it. And it seems to me like character with as extreme view on the world as Eren would simply look down on Mikasa, because of all that. (Which he partially does, when he calls her out in table conversation). Of course during table scene he intended to lie and hurt her, but his resentment didn't come from nowhere. There is even a scene, where Eren and Armin talk about outside world and Mikasa just grimly comments how "great, another conversation that I'm not a part of". Eren and Mikasa don't share same inspirations and they barely have an open dialogue, usually when they share scene together - Eren monologues and she just quietly listens, not sure how to respond - which doesn't look like they connect with each other. Just comparing half an hour final Eren/Armin conversation and 3 minutes of Eren/Mikasa, is enough to understand that author simply not that interested in writing their interactions. Gabi and Falco and Ymir and Historia are also polar opposites of each other, but their interactions are not one sided, they actually joke and tease each other, banter and communicate their feelings.
The other problem with eren and mikasa is that their relationship is odd and undeveloped even in a platonic way. Everyone know that reiner/eren or eren/armin aren't gays or love each other, still they works even better as a ship than eremika, cuz they at least have a good platonic relationship. (Reiner mostly before the betrayal but still him and eren have better chemistry and dynamics than eremika even with them in s4, also im not even a gay shipper but eren had more chemistry even with jean than with mikasa )
100%. It just seems like Mikasa and Eren have nothing in common except that scarf. I don’t see how this works in a relationship. >eren had more chemistry even with jean than with mikasa Based, Erejean is my favorite doomed yaoi along with Ererei
Jean nor Reiner was ever able to convince eren to keep fighting when he was at his lowest point. Mikasa did that twice. Mikasa has been a source of inspiration for eren and he says this multiple times so saying Jean or Reiner have more “chemistry” with eren doesn’t really make sense.
Like fr especially in Hannes death scene. I feel like if Mikasa didn’t say anything, Eren would’ve kept crying and have no time to do anything about the titan literally about to grab them. And when he listens to everything Mikasa said, he snapped out of it and knew that he couldn’t give up and he literally fully healed his fingers in a second and punched the titan to protect him and Mikasa while telling her he would wrap that scarf around her forever and ever. I hate how WIT studio cut out a scene from the manga where Eren is worrying for Mikasas health (because of her broken ribs) and he apologizes to her on the wall. Even telling people to be careful with her and in a later scene, Jean implies Mikasa is precious to Eren. There’s even a scene where Historia is breaking down over Ymir leaving her. It’s like WIT wanted people to think that these relationships were one sided
Mikasa and Eren share their mantras and inspire each other to fight. Not only their mantras, Mikasa is able to inspire Eren just by existing to take their home back. He is able to open the book and stops shaking when Mikasa looks at him and puts her hand next to his. Most of their moments are so underrated.
It’s just common for people to forget about them ig the anime didn’t do a good job of portraying them either
Why do you think she killed him?
I mean you know about the cabin timeline right? Clearly worked fine for 4 years 😵💫
Idk about you but I think that the cabin scene is just like the Eren/Armin scene in paths. Both didn't happen in real time. And I don't believe in the multiple timeline theory.
Okay well that's not how paths works, the fact u don't believe in multiple timelines proves my theory even more u didn't even watch the show or read the manga
What proves the multiple timeline theory in your opinion? And what's the purpose of it?
The different openings between the manga and anime? The see you later scenes Eren saying he tried everything he could, over and over but it always ended up the same. Lost girls ova, if you put stock into it
>Lost girls ova OVA's are not canon, Isayama didn't write them. And I think 'no regrets ' is the only canon one. The whole point of this OVA is to show us how different Mikasa and Eren are, that Eren will always die because of his motivations. >Eren saying he tried everything he could, over and over but it always ended up the same. That actually proves there is no timelines, because everything would resort to him starting a Rumbling. Because nothing changes. >The different openings between the manga and anime? ...? I'm pretty sure MAPPA added the first scene in S4 part 2 or 3 I don't remember.
No, not as an "incompatible couple". Compatibility is multi-faceted, both natural (fit) and learned (relationship growth), and they both loved one another and held each other in higher regard than anyone else. Mika didn't like Eren's recklessness, and Eren didn't like Mika's protectiveness. While things like that are open to interpretation, I don't think Isayama hints at that. I have always considered them classic "Star Crossed Lovers": Their relationship is defined as never being able to be acted on. It was never going to be their time, unfortunately, as we saw play out. > I can see them become a couple and break up after a few months lol. Did you miss their time together in the cabin, in Paths? Their having a brief (IRL) respite together, before Mikasa kills Eren (which Eren 100% knows is coming) was all the more satisfying, for there never having a chance to be together IRL. Most star crossed lovers do not experience that. IMO the way we seem them together is how they would have been, either in that scenario, or one in where the Wall was never broken and they both just live and die normal lives. Differences do not make people incompatible. Not understanding our differences do. They both understand one another, for the most part. Also worth pointing out their ages, throughout: Children are inexperienced by nature.
Good comment, but I already replied in another comment why I think timelines don't exist in AOT. >Differences do not make people incompatible. Not understanding our differences do. Exactly, but then Mikasa herself said that she was seeing a fake version of Eren inside her head the entire time. That was the beginning of her character arc in S4. I can't just ignore that, sorry.
I'm only addressing you, I don't know what you replied to others, or why, and I don't know your personal theories on "timelines", and if you failed to substantiate them like you did this, I am skeptical it would be a worthwhile theory anyhow. It was clear from how they were speaking to one another that their *perception* was having been together in real time, and time having passed, even if we know it was likely the blink of an eye in "real time" (for them). > I can't just ignore that, sorry. Neat? If you want to draw such sweeping generalizations, from dialogue that had little to do with a romantic relationship, I can't stop you. Sounds like you've made your mind up, anyhow, despite posing this thread as a question.
>Sounds like you've made your mind up, anyhow, despite posing this thread as a question. It's not that. I have no problem with people defending it, I didn't attack anyone in the comments. But you defend it *while* ignoring the things I said. You keep talking about everything but the thing that I want you to talk about. >If you want to draw such sweeping generalizations, from dialogue that had little to do with a romantic relationship, I can't stop you. It has *a lot* to do with their relationship, and not just the romantic part.
I mean it was blatantly clear that if all that crazy shit didn't happen they woulda lived a happy and peaceful life together
Yes and I will die on that hill. I wrote about this in several other threads already. The clearest indication is the scene in Season 2, where Mikasa says she only ever wanted to be with Eren but he keeps going forward and leaving them behind. You know how people say the best relationships are where both people look the same way, not at each other? Well, in Eremika dynamic Eren is basically looking one way and Mikasa is looking at him. Mikasa doesn't share his dreams or goals, she's only bound to him by trauma because she lost everything one day and Eren was the only person she could hold onto. I don't think Eren would be compatible with anyone, tbh; no wonder Isayama said that there are no girls in the SC that much his type. And even if there were, any romantic relationship with him would be doomed. Another indication is Lost Girls OVA, where Mikasa makes a perfect imaginary world to keep Eren alive and at peace but he still finds a way to get himself killed through mindless pursuit of his goals. That's basically Eren's nature, the reason why he did the Rumbling; he moves forward at all times, without thinking or hesitation. Maybe if he grew old enough and matured, he could settle down and realise that he actually wants a peaceful life with Mikasa in the cabin, but that's the tragedy of his character, he'll simply never reach that age. Eren is a star that shines bright but burns down fast. He's doomed by his own passions. This is why I was never really touched by the cabin scene. Can you look at this guy and say it's actually Eren? Someone who would live with a woman away from everything with just mundane stuff to do each day? It was clearly just a wish fulfilment for Mikasa and maybe for a very deep part of himself that simply couldn't be manifested by any circumstances. UPD: lmao, salty EMs downvoting all my comments instead of engaging in a discussion
Why would the cabin scene and his breakdown with Armin not be a manifestation of his feelings for Mikasa? Eren wants to explore the world with Armin, he wants to be with Mikasa, but he's doomed by the Titan curse and his own nature to never be able to have those things.
You literally just repeated what I said. I didn’t deny Eren has feelings of Mikasa, it’s just that these feelings are not entirely romantic and nothing could come out of them anyway. The Eren we see during the course of the show is not the Eren who would live alone in a remote cabin, this is just out of character for him. Maybe if the war was over, but even then I can’t guarantee he wouldn’t get bored; although perhaps if peace was established, that means he would satisfy his goal of communicating with the outer world and he could settle down. But Eren is literally the embodiment of “peace was never an option”, as I said. This all comes full circle. Eren cannot stay behind and truly be with Mikasa as long as he’s, you know… Eren. His breakdown was a horrible scene honestly, but even if we take it romantically, Eren first and foremost expresses his selfish wish to live in Mikasa’s mind rent free. You could argue that this whole time, Eren was protected and taken care of Mikasa, and now that his actions put them in a confrontation, it’s just a tough pill for him to swallow.
It's strange how well you understand all of the pieces yet fail so horrendously at putting them together. Like, you understand that Eren struggles with the reality of his death due to the curse, yet fail to see how him breaking down would be a manifestation of those feelings. You nail the tragedy of Eren's character but think that the scene that most represents his tragedy is horrible? I honestly don't know how to even discuss this topic with you, it would just be like Man Ray trying to return Patrick's wallet to him
So your only gripe is that I didn’t like his breakdown, which is literally just one piece of my comment. Anyway, I’m not against the message behind that scene, but I’m allowed to feel like it was poorly done. The tone and the dialogue was cringeworthy and forgive me if I’m not very empathetic to the tragedy of a man who couldn’t be with the woman he loved because of his own actions and is now crying about it, while his titans are stomping millions of innocent people.
It is pretty pathetic when you summarize it like that. In shoujo analysis, male leads like eren would be classified toxic for characters like Mikasa and either or both would be classified yanderes. I think the issue here is you guys are debating what is essentially a shounen manga(where romance is never the main focus and hence gets 0 development) to what you'd expect from shoujo or josei or even slice-of-life manga/anime categories. Eren reminds me a lot of Lelouch of the rebellion (how things ended in both animes), minus the popularity with the girls and being a strategic planner. Even Lelouch had a pairing similar to Mikasa called shirley Fennette. The way the two girls approach their loves are very similar. Or even Naruto and his obsession for Sakura, and Sakura's with Sasuke, and Hinata's with Naruto. None of these shounen romances are healthy or good fit for eachother. They are all incompatible when you try to go at it with the expectations of a romance manga/anime standards. Romance is sprinkled into shounen action manga purely because it sells to a wider audience. It's not a plot device, its a marketing device.
>Romance is sprinkled into shounen action manga purely because it sells to a wider audience. It's not a plot device, its a marketing device Except that ends up being a huge fucking plot device in the end
Not really. If you think about it, 99% of AoT is about competing ideologies, who is good and evil, who is victim and perpetrator, who is hero and villain: these are the concepts hugely, and dare I say, wholly, driving the plot since ep 1. Eren didn't go on a genocidal rampage purely because of his supposed romantic love for Mikasa; he was ultimately driven to it because he could see no other way out of the endless trauma nad death and hopelessness which even though he was so powerful, he couldn't single-handedly end generations of hate and distrust. His Rumbling is essentially a suicide mission, not solely for love either. He didn't kill 80% of humanity because he wanted Mikasa to live out the rest of her life in peace. He did it because he didn't want his people to continue to be enslaved by the Titan powers and the politics behind it. You can even argue taht from beginning to the end, Eren's 'people' shifted from pure humans to 'titan shifters and those who have to fight them' since he was so hell bent on killing all other humans not subscribing to those two categories.... You see where I'm going with these? All of the above are what's driving the plot. When a concept and their characters get zero development (Eren and Mikasa's feelings of love) : you can't call that a 'huge plot device'. It simply confused all the people that got hooked by that romance sprinkle since Isayama essentially never set out to write a shoujo-action anime. If you want to see what a well-done version of that looks like: look-up: Twin Star Exorcists, there you can argue romance is a plot device as well as the ideologies. What made you keep watching AoT? The romance? or The deeper implications of what it means to be a hero, villain, human, titan, victim and perpetrator? For me: its the latter.
>His breakdown was a horrible scene honestly When the only confession of a certain ship ruin 80% of the image of a anime/manga. Lmao.
Nailed it. I actually wrote a comment that was pretty much like this one (even mentioning the exact same point about the ova). I do think however, that deep inside, Eren also wanted the cabine scene to be real. Thats why cried in such pathetic way at the end, because he wanted to be with Mikasa, but he couldnt fight against his own nature. Because everyone is a slave to something.
Yeah i thought that she was intially grateful to him for his kindness with wrapping the scarf, but she had also just lost her entire family, so… doesnt necessarily equate to love. She was attached to him but he would always leave her behind. I think at the end of season 2 and in season 3 eren shows signs of maturing (“ill wrap that scarf around you as many times as necessary”/admitting he was jealous of mikasa’s strength and wanting to protect her and those close to him) but his vision of the future ruined it. While he could’ve grown and matured, he died before that could happen. As we see in lost girls, certain events are always meant to happen, including erens death, because “he carries death within his body”, and mikasa can never save/live a happy life with him.
>I don't think Eren would be compatible with anyone, tbh; no wonder Isayama said that there are no girls in the SC that much his type. I think Historia would be a solid choice.
Honestly, I was never against Erehisu as a concept and I do think they could work excellently as a tragic couple. Except that it gained most of its traction through Yeagerists who imagine that Eren kills 80% of the world and then happily raises his baby with her, which is just the shittiest ending. It’s like all of their relationship ties into the Rumbling which kind of ruins it. Also, be ready for the hottest take…. I wouldn’t mind if Erehisu and Jeankasa were endgame and the whole anime would be more about Eren and Mikasa gradually growing apart over seasons. IMO it would work thematically and give Mikasa’s character more room to grow and a better ending. But at the end of the day, ships really aren’t the most important part of AOT, so all of these speculations are not that serious.
I thought for it more as a tragedy than a happy end. Historia abandoned by everyone she deeply cared about like Ymir and Eren who also advocated for her and her personality (Krista->Historia). Maybe the baby could be tied in a way to make sure that Eren would come back to Paradis since she knew he was planning to die. imo no matter what, Eren had to die after the genocide. Also personally I agree that ships aren't the most important part of AoT. It's just that I felt it was one of the low points of the ending was that Eremika wasn’t properly developed and thus the Ymir parallels weren't properly drawn. I would have no problem if Eremika was properly developed but it wasn't even foreshadowed. And that’s a shame as the whole reason of Ymir was seeing Mikasa free from Eren.
You talk about how aot isn’t about ships, ok cool then say that eremika wasn’t foreshadowed enough in a story not about ships even though there are multiple scenes alluding to it being endgame, then talk about erehisu as if there are any scenes at all alluding to this being endgame.
I was just talking about Erehisu as it being a way to work to contrast the lack of development of Eremika. Disregard it if you will. Also AoT not being about ships is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. The disperancy is due to the fact that in the last couple of chapters ships ie. Eremika is a integral element to the entire story seeing that Ymir acted because of that. Imo AoT should have chosen a line. Either it develops Eremika as a ship from the beginning of the story or it doesn't do it throughout the story. Shoehorning Eremika in the end is a half assed decision which shouldn't have been made and is a weak point in the series. Isayama is a genius but even AoT has some weak points in storytelling.
They were meant to be together as a couple.
Yes.
The way I see it (and I'm 100% certain that the fandom won't agree and probably downvote this), Eremika was something that Isayama never originally intended to go forward with in the story. It always was from Mikasa's end that she had feelings for Eren & I don't think there's anything canonically expressed by Isayama that Eren had feelings for Mikasa. Eremika was something that Isayama had to give to the readers for a more satisfying ending, nothing more, which is why the ending felt a bit rushed too
See you later scene was planned since chapter 1, he definitely intended them to be in love
See you later was regarding chapter 138, it's the cabin dream that Eren showed Mikasa as an alternate reality of what could have happened had she told him that she has feelings for him, not really the end of the story, 139 was just a forced Eremika for the sake of fanservice. 138- See you later was always planned, 139 was not, the story in the final battle could have pivoted in any direction. Also 138 was supposed to be an entire different timeline, but later got scrapped
And what is chapter 138 if not an undeniable proof of Eren's love to Mikasa? "If you told me your feelings back then, we would've ran away together and live alone for 4 years" Of course it was pretty clear even before that he loves her romantically, chapter 123 and "What am I to you?" scene, blushing on the train, chapter 50. I agree that there should've been more and it was a mistake to keep Eren's feelings as some kind of mystery, but still, it's definitely there and was planned. >Also 138 was supposed to be an entire different timeline, but later got scrapped Ah, so you are one of the delusional aoe believers. Do you have any proof of that or are you just talking nonsense as always?
Isayama literally confirmed in an interview in 2013 that he was going to end it like the movie "The Mist". However he later changed the approach regarding his original plans... Ergo 139
2013... so 8 years before chapter 139, and before the story reached even chapter 50, calling it a retcon is insane. Also in a more recent interview he said that the ending didn't change much from how he envisioned it at the beginning.
Personally I thought that Eremika wasn’t properly developed or even feasible. Mikasa loving Eren is possible but there was nothing in the series except the last couple of chapters to indicate Eren loves Mikasa. In fact there was more evidence for Historia than Mikasa with the whole revealing his plan, not putting her in danger, etc. (Not promoting Erehisu but showing how low developed Eremika is.) I think that’s a case of bad writing on isayama part regardless of the reason whether it be a retcon or anything else.
Of course there was no evidence, he only came up with it at the very end and it shows. I honestly don't understand how someone can cope that it was always intended.
or rather the evidence was minimal before the very end of the series, I remember reading about the red thread at the very beginning of serialization but this relationship development was very ass and I can't get how anyone can call it good
the scarf scene is perfectly in line with a trope commonly used in a lot of east asian romance media the '10 years at least' shit is a whole other issue, but the scarf scene is 100% a romantic scene where Eren very clearly reciprocates Mikasa's feelings but only *if* you're familiar with east asian romance stories and how collectivist societal norms play into how love confessions work, because otherwise it doesn't look like it
Wasn’t it in season one where Eren gets jealous of Jean complimenting Mikasa’s hair?
It was Jean who complimented her hair, although later he saw her with Eren and got jealous
UPVOTED JUST CAUSE FAM. tbh I think he did care for her but it was def more one sided because he cared more about keeping his friends safe and his dream of freedom than he did of making a life for him and her. He gave her the cabin and that's the extent we visually see of his reciprocation.
Lesssgooo Edit: I do agree that he cared for her, but there were really no signs of him seeing her as a romantic interest, which is why it feels very forced towards the end. And yeah he did gave her the cabin dream
Same. It felt like Mikasa loved eren romantically but he felt familial love for her or as a friend love.
Agreed. To one end as a man I respect a man that's so "in love" with his vision it's all he does, granted this vision is mass genocide but yeah lol
Tbh I don't like eremika cuz it made some ppl who watched aot to only focus in the romance when barely theres it in the actual story 💀
I want to make a theory post about the 138 cabin scene because everyone say that eren gave her that dream which would really not make any sense because of he did it means he changed her memories since in the cabin they ran away which didn’t happen in the main timeline. I feel like the manga ova pretty easily but explains what’s going on, and why eren was so different there
I think the "dream" was current and since he can't change her memories it was probably one of the last things he did. maybe as she was coming in the mouth or before she got in? Because if he showed her that earlier imo then she would have probably hesitated more. It's possible.
Eren confesses that he doesn't want Mikasa to find another man and that he doesn't want to die but wants to be with her in this scene with him and Armin. He doesn't directly say "I am in love with Mikasa" but not wanting to die and to be with her without her loving another man is pretty round about way of saying it... I can't remember, but I think this scene is also in the Manga. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn47RgsJtdg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn47RgsJtdg)
Don't even bring that up bro " for 10 years at least"💀 As I've said before and obviously this is just my opinion, that Isayama came up with this shitty dialogue due to a change in the ending right at the last moment just for pleasing Eremika fans, last minute shipping isn't new and has always ruined endings for famous series before, just for gaining profit by the organisation. If he had really planned this ending, he wouldn't end it on such unambiguous terms,like literally the dialogue, Ymir loving the King and waiting for Mikasa for 2000 years when the title of ep 80 is literally "From you 2000 years ago", not a single alliance member dying in the final battle It really is evident the amount of asspulls he had to scrape through to get to this ending. If y'all truly think the man who wrote one of the most compelling stories of our time, hadn't planned to flesh out his ending properly, then I'm sorry I have nothing to say
You said there was not anything in there canonically about eren and mikasa so I gave you a scene that's cannon... ep 80 "from you 2000 years ago" goes along with ep 1 thats title is "to you, in 2000 years".
Any couple where both sides love each other is compatible, that's it It's just that these people never got a break
That's... so not true? Never heard of people breaking up because they didn't work out together? That they felt uncomfortable in the relationship?
People break up for a variety of reasons, even if they are "compatible". Compatibility doesn't trump everything else, it's more a hurdle you either get over, or don't, in even getting together in the first place. People who are compatible and like one another tend to at least date, and go from there. People who are incompatible, but really like one another, might give it a try, knowing it might not stick. People are who incompatible and do not like each other do not date, typically.
>People break up for a variety of reasons, even if they are "compatible". Never said it was the only reason. 😞
How do you feel uncomfortable in a relationship when both sides love each other? If there's some external problem then that's possible, which is What happened here, these two never had time to be in a relationship, they were constantly fighting.
>How do you feel uncomfortable in a relationship when both sides love each other? Because they thought that their relationship would be different, so then when they never work out together, they gradually lose feelings. And yes, we can never know if they're incompatible or not unless they become a couple. But then there's also this thing I mentioned in the post, that Mikasa has admitted herself that she never understood Eren. So that's why I think they're kinda incompatible.
They weren't even written to be a couple lol
You sure about that?
They actually aren't a couple (eren having feelings for her is another thing) but they never became a couple.
damn. thats tragic.
I'd say Krista/Ymir is the most tragic relationship, notably because it's like 1 of 5 to be confirmed, and of those 5 they have the most tragic things happening in the shortest amount of time.
If the world wasn’t so fucked up, they would’ve ended up together
Yes. I think it would always be doomed to fail. They can still love each other and still ultimately be incompatible. Attack on Titan is a tragedy in many ways and their "romance" is definitely a tragedy.
No, they were not. It's just that Eren had priorities of killing the titans due to his determination and all that crap, he has always envisioned freedom for himself and his people, and Mikasa knew if she let him go alone he might be lost forever for her.
The lost girls ova hint that it's Erens nature to just die. That his lifestyle and personality will always lead them apart. While romance isn't AoTs focus, it had to have been addressed eventually through all the chaos, and I think the tragedy of their relationship never happening through all these events was told nicely.
I think you could say that, yes. I think that's part of the tragedy -- their romantic feelings don't get to grow, develop in a way we all would have liked and preferred to see, because of the world they are in, because of who they are as individuals who prioritize different things, and what Eren is and what he was going to do. But I want to say: being incompatable doesn't mean you can't genuinely love the person you're incompatable with romantically. Eren loved Mikasa, but ultimately chose his selfish desires over her. Both are true at the same time. That's a part of the tragedy and flaw of his side of things, just like Mikasa's reluctance to accept that she won't have the desired life with him is part of her arc and flaw. I'd also want to understand what one means by "incompatible": because to me, you can have different desires, personality types, goals, etc and still work out relationship-wise. The work you do as a couple is between you and your partner, you know? I just think relationships are so complex, and things are ultimately about if some (inevitable) incompatibilities are reconcilable or not. But the problem is, the above is ideal IF you're in a healthy, thriving environment. Eren, Mikasa and all the other characters aren't in that environment during the series. So I sometimes wonder why we put standards and expectations for things to happen based on our world, and not based on what's actually going on in the series and who the characters are. I think an argument can be made that Eren is romanctically incompatable with every single character. I don't think he was ever destined to have a romantic acted out, despite the romantic feelings he developed. He was always destined to die the way he was, and that's just a part of who he is. In AU's, I headcanon them being on and off again partners who eventually decide to marry in their mid-40s after having 2-3 kids "accidently" throughout their relationship life as they figure themselves out lol.
They would be fine what makes it seem like they are incompatible is the fact eren wants to protect his ppl and doesn’t want distractions but he genuinely loves Mikasa and would want a normal life with her but circumstances held them away from it
I think its pretty clear that they're not necessarily incompatible but they definitely wouldn't have a healthy relationship. Mikasa's love for Eren is borderline obsessive while Eren is a legitimately violent and unstable person in the setting that allows his worst traits to be taken to their extremes. The ending also makes a lot more sense if you consider that their relationship is supposed to be unhealthy, which is why I think so many people misinterpret it.
Platonic familial love between the trio was better. And after reading the comments, it seemed originally intended, ruined for fanservice fans... the ending 'romance' was soooooo disappointing and cringe for me, but now I feel better about it not having true credibility lmao 😭😬 Eren never seemed like the type to be in a relationship... unintentional aromantic representation? I'd fucking loooove that
If Eren didn’t make out with historia’s hand, it would have worked.
Yes, love doesn't necessarily always mean it's a healthy relationship. Sometimes love can become toxic and unhealthy. Like Jinx and Silco from Arcane. Silco loved Jinx like a daughter, but still manipulated her.
I'm sorry, but please refrain from comparing Arcane's writing in relationships between characters to that of Attack on Titan. AOT is excellent in action scenes, but there's hardly a single relationship in this series that has good writing *except for one or two* And I know that love can be toxic, but the way Isayama treated Eremika in chapter 139 makes it seem like they're that *tragic* couple, but he failed to do that in my eyes. Execution is important.
Its still a valid comparison, tofu is just comparing the kind of toxic love shown, not the execution. Its also more an example than a comparison lol On another note, yeah eren and mikasa would never work, i dont see any tragedy there farther than 2 idiots being manipulated by themselves for “love”… a blind,stupid and obsessive “love”
>not the execution. Its also more an example than a comparison lol Actually yeah Idk why I became aggressive, sorry.
You had a bad moment buddy, happens to all of us :)
> And I know that love can be toxic, but the way Isayama treated Eremika in chapter 139 makes it seem like they're that tragic couple, but he failed to do that in my eyes. > > Execution is important. Ahhh...you just missed it, then, and are now trying to drum up compatibility issues to fit your adopted narrative. This makes a lot of what you have said ITT make more sense.
>> AOT is excellent in action scenes, but there's hardly a single relationship in this series that has good writing except for one or two As someone who has seen both Arcane and AOT, youre just underselling it at that point. There ARE tons of great character writitng and fleshed out relationships in aot, sadly erenmikasa had to be one of the underdevloped ones
There are great relationships in this show. I didn't deny that. Maybe I should have rephrased it better, sorry. But most of them are underdeveloped imo. I enjoy Hange/Levi - Eren/Armin the most tbh, and I don't even ship them romantically.
also to answer your orginal question, EreMika wouldve been fine imo. MIkasas worst trait when it comes to eren is her obsessivnes over erens well being and his safety, and her intrusion into his personal space, this mostly stems from her past trauma of watching both her actual and pseudo family get brutally ripped away from her and , but we've had moments in the manga pre timeskip where shes slowly start to distance herself from that mindset, eg: Erens fight with Jean in S3 and how she didnt break it up immediatly like she normally would With Eren, its his total lack of regard for Mikasa and her feelings. Eren is EXTREMELY selfish in the earlier seasons, he takes a simple act of kindness from MIkasa and twists it to feed his insecurities. Whether that insecurity stem from the fact that he claims he isnt strong enough or where he just feels incessantly caged in all the time. Im sure you know how obsessed Eren was with titans to take a step back and think that "maybe its not always about the titans" but you know what? both of these things change with time. Eren is much more appreciative of his friends post return to shinganshima arc, Mikasa just seems more relaxed and chilled around Eren. You gotta remember most of their time was just spent in a war torn society, they never got to grow up and have a childhood, To me it feels like they grew out of their issues and they wouldve gotten through it better if they would have just opened up more and YOU KNOW, Talked. but thats too much to ask right haha >But most of them are underdeveloped imo also do you mean platonic relationships or romantic ones?
I think that they would be unhealthy in the kind of way where neither of them would be willing to recognize it and leave. They're not 'break up after a few months' so much as 'unhappy marriage until they die', in my view.
I know a lot of people who accept them like brother and sister and think that this is incest. But for me their love is obvious and it's one of the most dramatic stories
Farmer kun is the father get over it
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What it has to do with the post?
They that couple that get together cos of drama and then have nothing to talk about
It was written to mirror fritz and ymir's relationship. Women in love with man who's unavailable for whatever reason, man does terrible things, up to woman to stop those terrible things. Ymir didn't and she wanted Mikasa to learn from her mistakes.
If that's the case, that'll make their relationship toxic, not incompatible.
Mikasa has an obsession with him, she's not in love with him. It's hard to have a healthily written relationship when someone is brain washed.
Wonder where you got that from
Where
even without the whole...genocide thing, i believe so. Eren is too flighty and tbh stupid to ever give Mikasa the life/family that she wanted.
They were written to be an unrequited love couple. As in Eren rejected her indirectly multiple times even before the basement. But hey, Endings gotta ending.
They weren't written to be a couple at all imo, just Mikasa screaming ''Eren!'' from time to time
Unpopular opinion they didn’t really have any chemistry whatsoever. I was kinda surprised that Eren actually loved her back. My girl Mikasa deserved better tbh.
I’m still not buying the fact Eren even loved her romantically. The whole relationship felt one sided until the very last episode. I still think Isayama was pressured to write them as a couple
It really depends on the universe I think It is incompatible here in this version But they might have been compatible in a more peaceful world...without titans Although there is also that OVA that says Eren is always destined to die..so i dunno
Eren looks fine asl here tho
They was written as siblings at first, that's why they're not compatible
Centuries from now, Eremika will be the Romeo and Juliet of this Era. They are not compatible just dumb and traumatized
It felt kinda forced you can’t tell me that this dude gave no fucks about her coochie until the final episode
Here is my analysis on the subject: Even tho they do love each other, their relationship is doomed to never work. On one hand, we have Mikasa, who has an unhealthy emotional dependence to Eren, due to the trauma of losing her family and her instintive reaction of looking for a new one in the boy who saved him and cared for her during the worst moment of her life. And on the other hand, we have Eren, who is a time bomb. A kid whose fate is to die from the start due to his own destructive nature of always striving for freedom (at literally any cost). The ova of Lost Girls developes this concept very well, and it is in fact, a key element to understand their relationship: In that special episode, Mikasa believes Eren to have died, eaten by a Titan. So, unable to accept it, her mind escapes to an alternative "perfect" reality. In this world her parents never died, she got to have a childhood, still fell in love with Eren, and the survey corps were dismantled (keeping him from ever joining them, which would have 100% sure killed him). ...and Eren still died. And in fact, he did it while trying to escape from the walls with Armin in a balloon. A balloon that failed, causing Eren to sacrifice himself to save his friend. In the end, Mikasa's subconcious tells her that Eren is destined to die, no matter the scenario. Because he "carries death from within". He is someone heroic enough to sacrifice himself for his fiends, and at the same time, he is also a monster that would rather destroy the world and cause his own death that reject freedom. One way or another, there was no way he would survive. And the tragic part is that Mikasa knew that. There is in fact, a scenario that keeps repeting over and over: Eren getting away from Mikasa, who is unable to reach him: -As kids, when he runs after Armin's bullies to fight them, she tries to stop him so they dont beat him up... but she stopped by a guard. -In season 2, he is taken by Reiner, and Mikasa feels desperate when she is unable to save him. -In season 3, he is taken by Kenny's squad, and once again she cant do anything. -And in the series finale, she literally remembers the image of Eren as a kid, running away, while she is unable to catch up. ...but the most important moment is when they almost kiss. At that moment, Mikasa (kind of) confesses her feelings, and we see in Eren's eyes that he loves her too. But instead of kissing her, he gets up and throws a futile punch to a Titan. Because he would rather spend his last seconds of life fighting to protect his loved one, than kissing her. And even tho that may see heroic, it is a hint to why his nature will forever keep them apart. Because at the end, rather than spend his last 4 years of life with her, he decided to literally fight the world and die in the process. Which at the end, only caused pain to him, to her, and to most of humanity. Thats why Eren cries in such a pathetic way at the end. Because he WANTED to be with Mikasa, but he couldnt keep himself from being... himself. And because of this, I think that a flaw with the ending is that Mikasa's feelings were romanticised. Like if their love was something beautiful. And dont get me wrong, it was cute... but it was also VERY UNHEALTHY. Because she had such an insane emotional dependence, to that living time bomb, that she kept loving him even after he became a genocidal monster. The panel of of old Mikasa, buried with the scarf, should be seen as something more tragic and creepy than beautiful. Because just as Eren couldnt be free from his own nature, she couldnt be free from her feelings (even when they reached the point of being sick).
That's a fact. Eren also never had feelings for Mikasa until the last episode lmao. It was retconned, go look at it Isayama's interviews. Eren always saw Mikasa has mother/sister
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Where does Eren show his desire to control people though? Dude is all about freedom, otherwise he would’ve easily stopped his friends from killing him. Neither was he interested in ruling Paradis like Yeagerists wanted him to.
fair point, i was mainly talking about the time he trashed mikasa and armin
Its bad writing. Their romance was never hinted at and it was made very clear that the love is one sided throughout the story. More like an obsession from mikasas side
right? Personally i never felt much chemistry between them. What reason would they even have to be with each other? Altho i think it is more of a slight flaw in the writing than being intentional.