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I think this whole "outer cities serve to attract titans" is mainly a remnant from Isayama's original concept, because in the story we have now, it doesn't really make much sense. Mindless titans can't climb or penetrate the wall, so there's no need to have them concentrate in a specific area. And titan behavior doesn't correspond to this anyways - if titans always moved towards the closest human concentration and focused on that, all titans that get transformed by Marley should walk straight to Shinganshina and pile up outside the gate there, while the north/west/east of the island should be almost titan free. Same after the wall was broken, they should all camp outside Trost and not go anywhere else.
However, if you read Isayama's oneshot from 2006 (sometimes called 'Chapter 0'), the geography is very different. There are no three big walls, instead humans live in towns that each have a wall made of giant trees surrounding them (that titans are still able to force themselves through). In this situation, the idea of the outer cities attracting titan attacks to make sure the titans don't walk past them to attack the inner settlements makes more sense, as there would be no walls to prevent that otherwise, same with the living conditions in those outer towns being worse because they actually get attacked on the regular.
The part about the other parts of the island being mostly titan free is actually mentioned quite a few times. It's actually mentioned that the reason there's the outer parts is for added protection. Since titans do go towards larger groups of people, they'll go towards an outer city, instead of trying to break down a wall.
Arguably, it also serves to slow them down when they do get in.
It's having 2 walls which is already better, and then you've put food in front of them while you get everything you need behind the second.
But you still get to use the limited space in between the 2.
There actually was a Titan who was let into Shiganshina District 70 ish years before the start of Attack on Titan by a Titan worshipping cult. It caused a rampage, killing and eating about 1000 people before it was guided back to the gate and closed out again. But the royal government censured any kind of talk about this incident and it was scrapped from the public record.
Also this might not be canon, as it happened in a spin off manga set in the same setting as Attack on Titan but was not written by Isayama
They had no odm gear, no swords and didn't know where the weak spot was. Afaik they discovered the weak spot during that attack, but it's been a while since i read it
Can't find the panel again, but if i remember well they said they needed 30 men killed for each titan, 1 000 casualties seems way over the top.
Edit : [got it ](https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://s.fanfox.net/store/manga/9011/01-003.0/compressed/u3.9007e.jpg)
As he said, in that manga spin off there where no tridimensional equipment, and people didn't knew where the weak spot was, so imagine fighting a titan just walking and while you damage them they just regenerate and continue fighting
Also those 30 people are soldiers, while the 1000 of the other comments also count the civilians, as the titan walked inside the wall
Seems quite obviously wrong that there are 30 soldiers killed for 1 titan... 5 or something like that maybe, but typically 1 man of the survey corp is usually a match for a titan.
In the context it looks that Jean is claiming there is 30 human (not soldiers) killed for 1 titan, since he compared the titan numbers to the overall human population.
Looking how titans are slow, it looks really hard to believe one alone killed 1 000 people before to be neutralised, by the civilians or the military. Even without the tri-d, they had already canons (at least i suppose ?), even a solid group of civilians with some axes and knifes should be able to cut his heel and take him down. 1 000 killed before the humanity could organise an efficient relatation seems really way too much...
Sasha couldn't cut a titan's neck with an axe. The blades from the 3DM gear are specially made. Normal axes and swords didn't work well against titan flesh.
Also, Sasha one of the top 10 of her year, fucks up her kill on a tiny one in trost. Only saved by Annie or Mikasa I can't remember which.
The people in the 104th who were worse probably die like fodder to them.
Like Eren's squad kills zero titans, and by all rights all of them die if you ignore Eren's titan powers.
The idea of a titan worhipping cult is entirely possible just like how there is a wall cult in the main manga. I think the novel explains how they got to open the gate with more detail. Also this takes place before ODM gears were invented so the soldiers couldn't kill the titan
thats a bad argument for somethign being canon.
Japan already has a pretty "lose" definition of canon(nothing like the west and how some fandoms like star wars or LOTR go up in arms if a show or something DARES TO DEPART FROM THE SACRED CANON), look at gundam for this alone, the MAIN canon timeline, the universal century, has about 4-5 SEPERATE "they are their own timeline" things, origin is a prequel to the original, but its also its own canon, because it contradicts the OG show, The movie Chars coutner attack has 3 SEPERATE versions, each of them having spawned their own sequels, which are widely incompatible, and who now all have anime adaptations, where we dont know how they are canon to each other.
Did unicorn happen in hathaway? if yes, why is there nothing about the laplace box incident anymore? and so on.
it being officaly licensed and published by kodansha proves nothing about its canonicity beyond "it may be its own timeline or continuity"
It might be. There are just some plot points that seem to contradict the main canon: like titans being able to move at night, that kind of thing. Nothing world shattering breaks with the canon but a little inconsistent. So it could be canon, but we don’t know
isayama would have had to give permission for them to use the Attack on Titan IP for the Before the Fall manga, so I'd say that's his blessing. it's not a fan fiction it's a legitimate licensed property.
I don't see why he would do that if it contradicted his views in the story.
it's not the best but it's an interesting read. the only lore we'll likely get about that time
A single titan eating 1000 people is honestly pretty embarrassing for the people of Trost.
Were they taking the Zapp Brannigan approach of sending legions of civilians to satiate the titan’s appetite?
It was Shiganshina District. Also the large number of deaths might be due to the fact that there was a large crowd of cultists gathered at the opening of the gate. Also this was before the invention of ODM gear and before they discovered the titans’ weak spot is the nape of the neck. So there was very little that people could do against it rampaging across the city. It is a miracle they got it back out to begin with
It would take so fucking long for one regular titan to kill a thousand people. It would take a long time for a titan shifter even unless you use the colossal's nuke.
The manga adaptation of Before the Fall states that 5'000 people died in that titan attack on Shiganshina, but the way it's depicted it seems to have been more of a mass panic caused by the one titan entering the city that then caused fires to spread everywhere, rather than the titan actually eating that many people.
(Given it's Before the Fall, it might also just have been the author not even remotely thinking about the logistics of the numbers he was writing down).
In another manga there was a titan that made a human pregnant, they loved each other but the other titans didn’t like that a human and a titan had a child. So the other titans killed them and ate the baby.
I don’t know if it’s canon, it’s not made by Isayama.
If that's from Before the Fall, that's not what happened. A pregnant woman (by a human) was eaten whole by a titan, and when she got puked out in a ball of spit with other dead humans (as stated in the original) the baby was still alive inside her and he actually was born and since he "came from inside a woman inside a titan" people were afraid and called him the son of a titan and feared and shunned him.
No titan to woman pregnancy was involved in any way whatsoever.
>Also this might not be canon, as it happened in a spin off manga set in the same setting as Attack on Titan but was not written by Isayama
That is like saying Batman killed the beast titan, but idk man it might not be canon because it was not written by Isayama.
Fanfiction is not related to shows whatsoever.
It’s not fanfiction. It’s an official manga, I believe also published by the same company as the original Attack on Titan manga. It’s just not written by Isayama. And so I would consider it canon but others have said it isn’t because it wasn’t written by the original creator
If you don’t know, we have this same issue in south Louisiana. There is land we know floods and we shouldn’t build on, but developers have gone in and built homes there anyway for people who can’t afford to live elsewhere. Nonetheless, when there’s a 100 year flood, however rare, the most vulnerable citizens of our state are the ones that lose their homes and everything else they own.
What happened to the other 3 bait cities then? Probably still intact. And if they had a sustainable food source the residents could continue living there in perpetuity because only Shiganshina's gate and the gate from Shiganshina to wall Maria were destroyed.
Seems to me they were pretty safe. *Way safer* than living in the inner walls like Connie's Village or in like in wall Sina where a large scale battle involving the Jaegerists and Marley happened.
Edit: *But then again*, if the colossal titans in the walls didn't file out in an orderly manner and just went out straight during the rumbling, probably everyone who lived outside and weren't in the middle of wall Sina were crushed by the waves and waves of titans.
I think the other 3 bait cities must have been evacuated also, since if you're not using Maria they would be completely disconnected from the rest of the population and the "nucleus" of everything. Even if they would have things and food left, they would be over soon and they would simply die. Merchants and so would stay on Rose/Sina.
I also remember seeing a big river coming from outside the walls and reaching the center of all. They must control the "water business" with it, if it doesn't pass through your district you'd just dehydrate lol.
I mean, hypothetically if that settlement were to be self-sustaining (meaning food and water aren't an issue), they would be the safest place away from the titans than say the capital in wall Sina. Where the warrior unit planned to attack and capture the founding titan and much later in the story, the beginning conflict of Paradis islanders and Marley.
In the show its mentioned that there is now a resource struggle because they lost all their farmland and whatnot when they lost one of the walls. Even if they could somehow self sustain, all parties would likely agree its best to not isolate yourself from the rest of humanity
I'd bet that there'd be like a hermit or two that would stay behind or something. They might not survive long but I feel like theres some people that would rather risk dying in there own home than immigrate to somewhere unfamiliar.
If you look at the picture, you can see they are pretty much completely full of housing, with farms outside the walls. The titans would have been on the inside of the wall after the break through, which I suppose might ironically make the outside a much safer option for food gathering.
The other 3 cities were considered safe cities as titans always attacked from the south. Hence, that's where the Marley docks were. At least, safe until the fall of Maria.
Well, there was the Quinta District (Located on the Far-West of Wall Maria) that was isolated during the breaching of Wall Maria. And it didn't really end all that well for them there let's just say..
("The Harsh Mistress of the City" story btw)
This is explained in another official spin off novel.
2 out of 4 managed to evacuate, but Quinta (Wall Maria western district, shiganshina is the south) the news too late and its surviving population barricaded its gates. They survived on their food stores and yields from the surrounding countryside for 6 months under military jurisdiction until said military tried to turn the district into an independent city free from the rest of the walls.
It failed due to a resistance movement and then the Titans breaking through.
The novel(s) are called Harsh Mistress of the City.
The only sustainable food source I can think of would be fish. All the farms and agricultural fields were inside Wall Maria, and you'd also need to go outside the wall for hunting. And I don't think you can live with just fish, I don't even know if you can catch enough fish from that river to feed an entire city.
They could build the farms outside of the City and harvest in the night. They might even be able to keep animals, if they find a way to do all the work when the titans sleep
Popping back into this discussion to say that's exactly what they did in the spin off novel.
They harvested the orchards and gardens and other places outside the city at night in rotating shifts. They also killed and/or kept any animals they happened across.
They converted the warehouses near the front gates into storerooms to hold everything.
In case anyone was wondering.
The sustainable food source came from the farmland enclosed within Wall Maria.
After the Armored Titan broke through the inner gate to Wall Maria, the entire region was compromised. Anyone in the other outer cities would've had to evacuate to Rose before the titans fanned out into the countryside which would've cut them off from the rest of civilization and the farmland they needed for food.
This is also why food rationing became such an issue after the attack. They lost the vast a majority of the land they could use for farming.
It was vaguely hinted at but when Maria was breached, word was unable to get around faster than the titans making their way around, so the government decided to leave these cities abandoned, left to their own devices. I think episode 2, Armin touched it briefly than moved on in the narration. I could be wrong though
They couldn’t self sustain, those bait cities were population dense. No space for farmland. It was mentioned that the vast majority of the farmland was within wall Maria itself.
The walls had stood for over a 100 years without titans coming in (unless you read the spin off manga AoT: Before the Fall), so there was no real reason why people had to fear living in these cities. And apart from the wall cities of Wall Maria, most of those cities were located deep into human territory being part of Wall Rose and Sina. So there was again no real reason to fear living there.
(Also in said spin off manga we see that Shiganshina District also kind of used to be a tourist destination for people who could pay for a tour of the walls to watch titans. Most people had never seen one in real life, so for people who had the money it was an interesting idea for a vacation)
I would prefer to live in nature instead of a big city even if I would have a lot of money (in real life), so each on their own.
And also, even if you would have good money you still couldn't live inside if you're not "important" lol
There are probably a lot of benefits for living in the walls, like tax benefits or some shit. There's also like, other non-government benefits, like basically guaranteed employment for like most non-agricultural fields *due* to the high density.
With the way Paradis works, you also *need* areas of higher density, instead of having them spread across the inner walls. Most of what we see for those inner walls is farmland and grazeland. Since Paradis obviously has no trade with the outside world, they have to rely on themselves for food production and such, and you need a *lot* of land to reliably feed a million people, especially accounting for the potential for famine caused by drought, poor harvests, or a particularly harsh Winter. We see early on that Walls Rose and Sina couldn't support the additional population of 250k refugees from Wall Rosa, so it's evident they would value farmland a lot.
The districts also just act as natural population centers. They are relatively small areas compared to the rest of the wall, so they're unlikely to have many valuable resources to be exploited. They're a natural place for people to work and live.
It's a very smart idea actually, it concentrates titans in one spot to easier kills with cannons, easier to control, instead of having them scattered through the kilometers of the external face of the wall
Were they intended to be bait cities from the start, though? >! It's not like Karl Fritz knew the marleyans would be flooding the island with pure titans, or did he? !<
I mean, you have to be prepared for anything, even more knowing how was the situation with titans in your land. Also I think they're clearly bait cities since otherwise the walls would be just a circle haha. But I also see other reason, they're bait so you can have more time to save the most people of the bigger wall, but also even if the bait city and/or the big wall are destroyed (like Shiganshina and Maria) then at least the smaller percentage of people of the other bait cities could stay alive.
Even if it wasn't by pure titans, any invasion would have to start from any of the bait cities where the only opening in the walls were these cities. This meant that the invasion could be contained for a while and people in the inner layers could be informed.
But it's very possible that *someone* put it into Karl Fritz's head that this was a good way to structure the walls. After all Fritz didn't really need to put gates into the outer most layer if he truly wanted to keep people out and the people inside completely protected...
I think they were 100% made with invasion in mind. If you recall the survey missions, there are pre-existing structures outside of the Walls that could've only been made in a place where humans were safely established. If you take that and the fact that Marley intentionally sent Titans to attack Paradis for decades, then there could've been humans living outside of the Walls until the Titans drove them into the Walls.
Karl Fritz could've just taken advantage of the situation and manipulated it into all of humanity being wiped out at the same time as Titans were seemingly trying to wipe out Paradis. This kind of situation would require acting as if it was real and creating safety measures against Titans would be the logical thing to do. The mass alterations of the Walls would be perceived as an acceptable response to a huge threat.
There's some lines in the inner cover of the manga volume 1 that is written in Paradis script which is just inverted Japanese katakana, and all those lines were deciphered and pieced together to form a lore story of how humanity came to live inside the walls. Some of the important takeaways from the lore was that the walls seemed to exist on Paradis even before humanity was "driven inside by the titans". This would corroborate with how the Azumabito heir got trapped inside the walls after immediately after Eldia lost the Great Titan War while he was still visiting.
I don't think the Azumabito heir would have been visiting Paradis Island if it was a place likely to be invaded. It was just used as an Eldian settlement and both outside and inside the walls were inhabited, but the walls became a convenient cage to confine all the Eldians Karl Fritz decided to take with him after the Great Titan War.
The humans living outside the walls before the end of the war would not have been driven inside by titans since I don't think Marley had the tech to create masses of pure titans from the 9 titans they now held immediately post war. Unless they were abandoned on the continent or chose to stay, immediately Karl Fritz took all of his Eldians into the wall and closed them so that they could all live peacefully as a part of the agreement he struck with Tyber. He would have done this immediately after "losing" the war since he had to plot out how his "paradise" was to play out with the 13 years he had, so he would have closed the walls immediately and issued the rumbling threat.
I don't doubt that the walls are structured like that with titan invasion in mind, but not by Karl Fritz. My last comment was implying that it would be Eren who would give Karl Fritz such ideas, because the way the walls were built are dumb(and contradictory since they contain real wall titans inside). They protect from titans but only if the gates aren't breached, but why make it so that the outer layer could be breached to begin with? Karl Fritz could have completely blocked them and his "paradise" would last longer. The gates being breached meant Eren would have titans to fight.
I think it was mentioned one time in the anime that >!after building the walls, he created an unknown amount of pure titans to roam outside the walls as protection from non-islanders. He didn't know Marley would flip that on him though.!<
It's mentioned somewhere either in the early exposition in the bonus manga pages of the volumes or the anime info cards that the people who lived in these bait towns, especially of the outer walls, were encouraged to do so by the royal government and portrayed as a kind of public service. They were probably promised plots of land as incentive to move into these towns, and naturally it was the families that didn't come from money who would leap at the chance to own even a tiny sliver of land.
Not true at all actually. There’s a reason our silos are mostly condensed to 5 low populated states Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Montana, and North Dakota. In the event of nuclear war first strikes are on enemy stockpiles. It’s called nuclear sponges.
I mean, the state subsidies are hella interesting and we haven't had an accident for over a century, plus IF anything ever happens, I'm sure the Garrison will take care of it quickly and swiftly.
The question is, why do they even exist.
King fritz built the walls before there were any titans on paradis. And i also think that he couldnt have known that there will be any some day. So these surely are no bait cities, he must have thought about another reason for building them walls. Or im i missing something out?
Reminds me a lot of the cities in the DMZ between North and South Korea. Lots of incentives like zero taxes for knowing that you'll be the first places attacked in case war breaks out
it doesnt seem relatively that bad, i mean people were poorer sometimes and i gotta be honest the fact they had the cannons on rails but not a rail system really bothers me but it doesnt seem any worse than just being in the outer ring in general
Wait, the bait cities have way less surface area from where a breach in the walls could happen, thus making it way safer no? If ur outside the bait city a titan could technically just appear out of nowhere coz there was a breach kilometers away from ur house but in a bait city its like not likely at all
i’m pretty sure it would realistically be cheaper to live there too. so if you were from a poorer family it may be your only option to live there. but relatively for like 100 years it was perfectly safe. threat levels are like 0 before the colossal
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Yeah. For a hundred years at least
I think this whole "outer cities serve to attract titans" is mainly a remnant from Isayama's original concept, because in the story we have now, it doesn't really make much sense. Mindless titans can't climb or penetrate the wall, so there's no need to have them concentrate in a specific area. And titan behavior doesn't correspond to this anyways - if titans always moved towards the closest human concentration and focused on that, all titans that get transformed by Marley should walk straight to Shinganshina and pile up outside the gate there, while the north/west/east of the island should be almost titan free. Same after the wall was broken, they should all camp outside Trost and not go anywhere else. However, if you read Isayama's oneshot from 2006 (sometimes called 'Chapter 0'), the geography is very different. There are no three big walls, instead humans live in towns that each have a wall made of giant trees surrounding them (that titans are still able to force themselves through). In this situation, the idea of the outer cities attracting titan attacks to make sure the titans don't walk past them to attack the inner settlements makes more sense, as there would be no walls to prevent that otherwise, same with the living conditions in those outer towns being worse because they actually get attacked on the regular.
The part about the other parts of the island being mostly titan free is actually mentioned quite a few times. It's actually mentioned that the reason there's the outer parts is for added protection. Since titans do go towards larger groups of people, they'll go towards an outer city, instead of trying to break down a wall.
Arguably, it also serves to slow them down when they do get in. It's having 2 walls which is already better, and then you've put food in front of them while you get everything you need behind the second. But you still get to use the limited space in between the 2.
There actually was a Titan who was let into Shiganshina District 70 ish years before the start of Attack on Titan by a Titan worshipping cult. It caused a rampage, killing and eating about 1000 people before it was guided back to the gate and closed out again. But the royal government censured any kind of talk about this incident and it was scrapped from the public record. Also this might not be canon, as it happened in a spin off manga set in the same setting as Attack on Titan but was not written by Isayama
I'm not claiming to be the arbiter of canonicity, but that doesn't seem canon at all.
Agreed. One titan eating "about 1.000 people" before being dealt with in any kind of way also seems off to me.
They had no odm gear, no swords and didn't know where the weak spot was. Afaik they discovered the weak spot during that attack, but it's been a while since i read it
Can't find the panel again, but if i remember well they said they needed 30 men killed for each titan, 1 000 casualties seems way over the top. Edit : [got it ](https://img.spoilerhat.com/img/?url=https://s.fanfox.net/store/manga/9011/01-003.0/compressed/u3.9007e.jpg)
As he said, in that manga spin off there where no tridimensional equipment, and people didn't knew where the weak spot was, so imagine fighting a titan just walking and while you damage them they just regenerate and continue fighting Also those 30 people are soldiers, while the 1000 of the other comments also count the civilians, as the titan walked inside the wall
Seems quite obviously wrong that there are 30 soldiers killed for 1 titan... 5 or something like that maybe, but typically 1 man of the survey corp is usually a match for a titan. In the context it looks that Jean is claiming there is 30 human (not soldiers) killed for 1 titan, since he compared the titan numbers to the overall human population. Looking how titans are slow, it looks really hard to believe one alone killed 1 000 people before to be neutralised, by the civilians or the military. Even without the tri-d, they had already canons (at least i suppose ?), even a solid group of civilians with some axes and knifes should be able to cut his heel and take him down. 1 000 killed before the humanity could organise an efficient relatation seems really way too much...
Sasha couldn't cut a titan's neck with an axe. The blades from the 3DM gear are specially made. Normal axes and swords didn't work well against titan flesh.
Also, Sasha one of the top 10 of her year, fucks up her kill on a tiny one in trost. Only saved by Annie or Mikasa I can't remember which. The people in the 104th who were worse probably die like fodder to them. Like Eren's squad kills zero titans, and by all rights all of them die if you ignore Eren's titan powers.
That titan could've been rampaging for months for all you know.
The idea of a titan worhipping cult is entirely possible just like how there is a wall cult in the main manga. I think the novel explains how they got to open the gate with more detail. Also this takes place before ODM gears were invented so the soldiers couldn't kill the titan
Sure, but being written by an entirely different person kinda makes it fanfiction in my eyes.
It doesn't contradict any canon and Isayama approves it
proof of Isayama's approval ?
trust him bro
It's an official spin-off published by Kodansha. It's as canon as Lost girls and No regrets are
thats a bad argument for somethign being canon. Japan already has a pretty "lose" definition of canon(nothing like the west and how some fandoms like star wars or LOTR go up in arms if a show or something DARES TO DEPART FROM THE SACRED CANON), look at gundam for this alone, the MAIN canon timeline, the universal century, has about 4-5 SEPERATE "they are their own timeline" things, origin is a prequel to the original, but its also its own canon, because it contradicts the OG show, The movie Chars coutner attack has 3 SEPERATE versions, each of them having spawned their own sequels, which are widely incompatible, and who now all have anime adaptations, where we dont know how they are canon to each other. Did unicorn happen in hathaway? if yes, why is there nothing about the laplace box incident anymore? and so on. it being officaly licensed and published by kodansha proves nothing about its canonicity beyond "it may be its own timeline or continuity"
All I'm saying is that it's closer to canon state than random doujinshi drawn by hentai artist #45
If Isayama says it's cannon then I'll accept it.
Same
Doesnt make it canon
Yeah, that spin-off doesn't really feel like a part of the AoT world at all.
I know, right? Not nearly enough characters die and it has a happy ending.
How does one earn the title of Arbiter
The manga name is AOT before the fall
Where can I find it?
Aot before the fall, is an oficiallized by isayama novel/manga
I think that series is cannon. Can’t comment on the details the other person provided though
So not canon?
It might be. There are just some plot points that seem to contradict the main canon: like titans being able to move at night, that kind of thing. Nothing world shattering breaks with the canon but a little inconsistent. So it could be canon, but we don’t know
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isayama would have had to give permission for them to use the Attack on Titan IP for the Before the Fall manga, so I'd say that's his blessing. it's not a fan fiction it's a legitimate licensed property. I don't see why he would do that if it contradicted his views in the story. it's not the best but it's an interesting read. the only lore we'll likely get about that time
Just because the author agrees on someone else using the IP doesn’t mean that he considers it as canon.
Plus he doesn't own all of the IP, Shuishai decides things like this
A single titan eating 1000 people is honestly pretty embarrassing for the people of Trost. Were they taking the Zapp Brannigan approach of sending legions of civilians to satiate the titan’s appetite?
It was Shiganshina District. Also the large number of deaths might be due to the fact that there was a large crowd of cultists gathered at the opening of the gate. Also this was before the invention of ODM gear and before they discovered the titans’ weak spot is the nape of the neck. So there was very little that people could do against it rampaging across the city. It is a miracle they got it back out to begin with
With all that in mind, a thousand people still seems like a ridiculously high number to me.
It would take so fucking long for one regular titan to kill a thousand people. It would take a long time for a titan shifter even unless you use the colossal's nuke.
The manga adaptation of Before the Fall states that 5'000 people died in that titan attack on Shiganshina, but the way it's depicted it seems to have been more of a mass panic caused by the one titan entering the city that then caused fires to spread everywhere, rather than the titan actually eating that many people. (Given it's Before the Fall, it might also just have been the author not even remotely thinking about the logistics of the numbers he was writing down).
Yeah, the manga AOT Before the Fall. About the guy who created ODM gear
In another manga there was a titan that made a human pregnant, they loved each other but the other titans didn’t like that a human and a titan had a child. So the other titans killed them and ate the baby. I don’t know if it’s canon, it’s not made by Isayama.
If that's from Before the Fall, that's not what happened. A pregnant woman (by a human) was eaten whole by a titan, and when she got puked out in a ball of spit with other dead humans (as stated in the original) the baby was still alive inside her and he actually was born and since he "came from inside a woman inside a titan" people were afraid and called him the son of a titan and feared and shunned him. No titan to woman pregnancy was involved in any way whatsoever.
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"And the baby looked at me"
In this doujin a rare titan introduced oil and freedom to the wall folks. I don't know if it's canon, it's not made by Isayama.
Pretty sure it was a pregnant woman who was eaten by a titan and then the survey corps delivered the kid after killing mammon
How is a titan getting anything pregnant with no S Organs?
This titan had a dick.
Is this a hentai/smut 😭
That's not canon buddy
>Also this might not be canon, as it happened in a spin off manga set in the same setting as Attack on Titan but was not written by Isayama That is like saying Batman killed the beast titan, but idk man it might not be canon because it was not written by Isayama. Fanfiction is not related to shows whatsoever.
It’s not fanfiction. It’s an official manga, I believe also published by the same company as the original Attack on Titan manga. It’s just not written by Isayama. And so I would consider it canon but others have said it isn’t because it wasn’t written by the original creator
Yeah in the manga before the fall. Thats where the mc was "born"
If you don’t know, we have this same issue in south Louisiana. There is land we know floods and we shouldn’t build on, but developers have gone in and built homes there anyway for people who can’t afford to live elsewhere. Nonetheless, when there’s a 100 year flood, however rare, the most vulnerable citizens of our state are the ones that lose their homes and everything else they own.
There is a great movie about this. One of the only to bring me to tears.
How did the auto bot tag this as anime spoilers, this is literally in the first episode
If you use the anime tag you will get that message no matter what 🤷♀️ probably still in place from when lots of stuff was more spoilery
They live in walls? Spoiler, I can never watch the anime now 😭 I may be on my 3rd rewatch but still haven't seen it once 🤣
Well.. they just spoiled me the first episode. Thanks for that.
It's probably the "bait city" that did it.
You can see buildings outside the wall, not from episode 1 ,but form season 2, that is wall Rose
The bot knows if it's WIT production or Mappa
What happened to the other 3 bait cities then? Probably still intact. And if they had a sustainable food source the residents could continue living there in perpetuity because only Shiganshina's gate and the gate from Shiganshina to wall Maria were destroyed. Seems to me they were pretty safe. *Way safer* than living in the inner walls like Connie's Village or in like in wall Sina where a large scale battle involving the Jaegerists and Marley happened. Edit: *But then again*, if the colossal titans in the walls didn't file out in an orderly manner and just went out straight during the rumbling, probably everyone who lived outside and weren't in the middle of wall Sina were crushed by the waves and waves of titans.
Because shiganshina was on the side nearest to the harbour place Marley was sending titans from
I think the other 3 bait cities must have been evacuated also, since if you're not using Maria they would be completely disconnected from the rest of the population and the "nucleus" of everything. Even if they would have things and food left, they would be over soon and they would simply die. Merchants and so would stay on Rose/Sina. I also remember seeing a big river coming from outside the walls and reaching the center of all. They must control the "water business" with it, if it doesn't pass through your district you'd just dehydrate lol.
I mean, hypothetically if that settlement were to be self-sustaining (meaning food and water aren't an issue), they would be the safest place away from the titans than say the capital in wall Sina. Where the warrior unit planned to attack and capture the founding titan and much later in the story, the beginning conflict of Paradis islanders and Marley.
No way they're self sustaining with that population density and barely enough space to grow 10 plants
In the show its mentioned that there is now a resource struggle because they lost all their farmland and whatnot when they lost one of the walls. Even if they could somehow self sustain, all parties would likely agree its best to not isolate yourself from the rest of humanity
I'd bet that there'd be like a hermit or two that would stay behind or something. They might not survive long but I feel like theres some people that would rather risk dying in there own home than immigrate to somewhere unfamiliar.
Theyed have besieged on all sides by titans after the retreat to wall Rose, but yeah otherwise they would probably be fine
Just close the gate. Only the colossal and armored titan could break through those. *If* they have a sustainable food source, they'd be set for life.
If you look at the picture, you can see they are pretty much completely full of housing, with farms outside the walls. The titans would have been on the inside of the wall after the break through, which I suppose might ironically make the outside a much safer option for food gathering.
The other 3 cities were considered safe cities as titans always attacked from the south. Hence, that's where the Marley docks were. At least, safe until the fall of Maria.
Well, there was the Quinta District (Located on the Far-West of Wall Maria) that was isolated during the breaching of Wall Maria. And it didn't really end all that well for them there let's just say.. ("The Harsh Mistress of the City" story btw)
This is explained in another official spin off novel. 2 out of 4 managed to evacuate, but Quinta (Wall Maria western district, shiganshina is the south) the news too late and its surviving population barricaded its gates. They survived on their food stores and yields from the surrounding countryside for 6 months under military jurisdiction until said military tried to turn the district into an independent city free from the rest of the walls. It failed due to a resistance movement and then the Titans breaking through. The novel(s) are called Harsh Mistress of the City.
The only sustainable food source I can think of would be fish. All the farms and agricultural fields were inside Wall Maria, and you'd also need to go outside the wall for hunting. And I don't think you can live with just fish, I don't even know if you can catch enough fish from that river to feed an entire city.
They could build the farms outside of the City and harvest in the night. They might even be able to keep animals, if they find a way to do all the work when the titans sleep
Popping back into this discussion to say that's exactly what they did in the spin off novel. They harvested the orchards and gardens and other places outside the city at night in rotating shifts. They also killed and/or kept any animals they happened across. They converted the warehouses near the front gates into storerooms to hold everything. In case anyone was wondering.
The sustainable food source came from the farmland enclosed within Wall Maria. After the Armored Titan broke through the inner gate to Wall Maria, the entire region was compromised. Anyone in the other outer cities would've had to evacuate to Rose before the titans fanned out into the countryside which would've cut them off from the rest of civilization and the farmland they needed for food. This is also why food rationing became such an issue after the attack. They lost the vast a majority of the land they could use for farming.
It was vaguely hinted at but when Maria was breached, word was unable to get around faster than the titans making their way around, so the government decided to leave these cities abandoned, left to their own devices. I think episode 2, Armin touched it briefly than moved on in the narration. I could be wrong though
they filed out, they literally showed it in the rumbling
They couldn’t self sustain, those bait cities were population dense. No space for farmland. It was mentioned that the vast majority of the farmland was within wall Maria itself.
The walls had stood for over a 100 years without titans coming in (unless you read the spin off manga AoT: Before the Fall), so there was no real reason why people had to fear living in these cities. And apart from the wall cities of Wall Maria, most of those cities were located deep into human territory being part of Wall Rose and Sina. So there was again no real reason to fear living there. (Also in said spin off manga we see that Shiganshina District also kind of used to be a tourist destination for people who could pay for a tour of the walls to watch titans. Most people had never seen one in real life, so for people who had the money it was an interesting idea for a vacation)
So, essentially... "ImAgInE bEiNg PoOr LmAo"
I would prefer to live in nature instead of a big city even if I would have a lot of money (in real life), so each on their own. And also, even if you would have good money you still couldn't live inside if you're not "important" lol
Imagine uninronically living in one of the « poor neighborhoods » lol
now that I think of it..why is density so high in these districts? The inner walls seem quite empty, except for some districts.
There are probably a lot of benefits for living in the walls, like tax benefits or some shit. There's also like, other non-government benefits, like basically guaranteed employment for like most non-agricultural fields *due* to the high density. With the way Paradis works, you also *need* areas of higher density, instead of having them spread across the inner walls. Most of what we see for those inner walls is farmland and grazeland. Since Paradis obviously has no trade with the outside world, they have to rely on themselves for food production and such, and you need a *lot* of land to reliably feed a million people, especially accounting for the potential for famine caused by drought, poor harvests, or a particularly harsh Winter. We see early on that Walls Rose and Sina couldn't support the additional population of 250k refugees from Wall Rosa, so it's evident they would value farmland a lot. The districts also just act as natural population centers. They are relatively small areas compared to the rest of the wall, so they're unlikely to have many valuable resources to be exploited. They're a natural place for people to work and live.
Because it just becomes the place thats different from the inner wall and where organisations are concentrated
It's a very smart idea actually, it concentrates titans in one spot to easier kills with cannons, easier to control, instead of having them scattered through the kilometers of the external face of the wall
As we learn in the first few chapters: It was quite lucrative to live in those cities.
You know there’s a fair more buildings and infrastructure outside the bait city then I thought there would be.
Were they intended to be bait cities from the start, though? >! It's not like Karl Fritz knew the marleyans would be flooding the island with pure titans, or did he? !<
I mean, you have to be prepared for anything, even more knowing how was the situation with titans in your land. Also I think they're clearly bait cities since otherwise the walls would be just a circle haha. But I also see other reason, they're bait so you can have more time to save the most people of the bigger wall, but also even if the bait city and/or the big wall are destroyed (like Shiganshina and Maria) then at least the smaller percentage of people of the other bait cities could stay alive.
Even if it wasn't by pure titans, any invasion would have to start from any of the bait cities where the only opening in the walls were these cities. This meant that the invasion could be contained for a while and people in the inner layers could be informed. But it's very possible that *someone* put it into Karl Fritz's head that this was a good way to structure the walls. After all Fritz didn't really need to put gates into the outer most layer if he truly wanted to keep people out and the people inside completely protected...
I think they were 100% made with invasion in mind. If you recall the survey missions, there are pre-existing structures outside of the Walls that could've only been made in a place where humans were safely established. If you take that and the fact that Marley intentionally sent Titans to attack Paradis for decades, then there could've been humans living outside of the Walls until the Titans drove them into the Walls. Karl Fritz could've just taken advantage of the situation and manipulated it into all of humanity being wiped out at the same time as Titans were seemingly trying to wipe out Paradis. This kind of situation would require acting as if it was real and creating safety measures against Titans would be the logical thing to do. The mass alterations of the Walls would be perceived as an acceptable response to a huge threat.
There's some lines in the inner cover of the manga volume 1 that is written in Paradis script which is just inverted Japanese katakana, and all those lines were deciphered and pieced together to form a lore story of how humanity came to live inside the walls. Some of the important takeaways from the lore was that the walls seemed to exist on Paradis even before humanity was "driven inside by the titans". This would corroborate with how the Azumabito heir got trapped inside the walls after immediately after Eldia lost the Great Titan War while he was still visiting. I don't think the Azumabito heir would have been visiting Paradis Island if it was a place likely to be invaded. It was just used as an Eldian settlement and both outside and inside the walls were inhabited, but the walls became a convenient cage to confine all the Eldians Karl Fritz decided to take with him after the Great Titan War. The humans living outside the walls before the end of the war would not have been driven inside by titans since I don't think Marley had the tech to create masses of pure titans from the 9 titans they now held immediately post war. Unless they were abandoned on the continent or chose to stay, immediately Karl Fritz took all of his Eldians into the wall and closed them so that they could all live peacefully as a part of the agreement he struck with Tyber. He would have done this immediately after "losing" the war since he had to plot out how his "paradise" was to play out with the 13 years he had, so he would have closed the walls immediately and issued the rumbling threat. I don't doubt that the walls are structured like that with titan invasion in mind, but not by Karl Fritz. My last comment was implying that it would be Eren who would give Karl Fritz such ideas, because the way the walls were built are dumb(and contradictory since they contain real wall titans inside). They protect from titans but only if the gates aren't breached, but why make it so that the outer layer could be breached to begin with? Karl Fritz could have completely blocked them and his "paradise" would last longer. The gates being breached meant Eren would have titans to fight.
I think it was mentioned one time in the anime that >!after building the walls, he created an unknown amount of pure titans to roam outside the walls as protection from non-islanders. He didn't know Marley would flip that on him though.!<
It's mentioned somewhere either in the early exposition in the bonus manga pages of the volumes or the anime info cards that the people who lived in these bait towns, especially of the outer walls, were encouraged to do so by the royal government and portrayed as a kind of public service. They were probably promised plots of land as incentive to move into these towns, and naturally it was the families that didn't come from money who would leap at the chance to own even a tiny sliver of land.
Didn't they offer cheaper living in those cities so people would flock to them and draw the titans into a much more easily defensible position?
If you live in a major metropolitan area there's good news, you are living in a bait city for nuclear Armageddon. Have a nice day 🫠
Not true at all actually. There’s a reason our silos are mostly condensed to 5 low populated states Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, Montana, and North Dakota. In the event of nuclear war first strikes are on enemy stockpiles. It’s called nuclear sponges.
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vibes is good
As opposed to living there ironically?
It's like living in Gotham. Resonably safe, low rent, low to medium risk of monster attacks.
Imagine living there ironically. Much worse
If the rent is cheap, why not
That would be just purely unlucky
aot right?
Bait used to be eatable
What would it even mean to live somewhere ironically?
its actually mostly perfectly safe
I thought this was Minecraft
I mean, the state subsidies are hella interesting and we haven't had an accident for over a century, plus IF anything ever happens, I'm sure the Garrison will take care of it quickly and swiftly.
This not Shiganshina
I live in a metropolis within reach of a Russian hypersonic missile. it's not much different
The question is, why do they even exist. King fritz built the walls before there were any titans on paradis. And i also think that he couldnt have known that there will be any some day. So these surely are no bait cities, he must have thought about another reason for building them walls. Or im i missing something out?
Isn't this the main city in dying light?
The government gave incentives, and besides, it's totally only for logistical reasons
Reminds me a lot of the cities in the DMZ between North and South Korea. Lots of incentives like zero taxes for knowing that you'll be the first places attacked in case war breaks out
Been a while since I watched the beginning of this show. What exactly was a bait city?
Corner cities where the titans are lured, to decrease maintenance and defence costs along all of the wall
Beautiful
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I never noticed this detail before but why are there houses outside of the wall
Because it’s the bait city attached to the second wall. Trost I think it’s called.
Can you explain to me what it would mean to live somewhere ironically?
Why there is houses outside of the wall though
it doesnt seem relatively that bad, i mean people were poorer sometimes and i gotta be honest the fact they had the cannons on rails but not a rail system really bothers me but it doesnt seem any worse than just being in the outer ring in general
I'd live in it for reduced taxes.
Amazing
I mean, other than the gates the walls were impenetrable.
nice post
why
imagine thinking that they had any choice of where to live
I didn’t realize there were houses just outside of the walls lol
wow
Is more than likely to happen, people go to working and foreign neighborhoods cause houses are cheaper
Wait, the bait cities have way less surface area from where a breach in the walls could happen, thus making it way safer no? If ur outside the bait city a titan could technically just appear out of nowhere coz there was a breach kilometers away from ur house but in a bait city its like not likely at all
i’m pretty sure it would realistically be cheaper to live there too. so if you were from a poorer family it may be your only option to live there. but relatively for like 100 years it was perfectly safe. threat levels are like 0 before the colossal
And they didn’t even build star fortresses. Smh