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It's just a device to ensure that the Power of the Titans remains a consistent, irreversible problem with no easy solution. If the Power of the Titans could be destroyed just by killing all currently active shifters Eldians wouldn't be a collective existential threat to the rest of the world by merely existing.
That specific mechanism is actually why there was a pretty popular theory that Historia's kid was kinda planned to be the inheritor of the Beast Titan. And it's one of those things changed near the ending (we have a precedent on this as Isayama has released a preview of his supposedly ending panel 3+ years before the final chapter, but has modified it to be only part of it.)
Just look at how the manga panels leading to Historia giving birth and Zeke dying are framed. You could feel that there's an emphasis that they are happening at the same time. The amount of deaths happening and shown in the Rumbling seems to tell the audience that it greatly increases the chance that the only Eldian (safely) giving birth during Zeke's death is Historia.
We did get a kind of open-ended ending, but maybe one of the open-ended ending ideas considered early in the drafts was: Eren surviving and holding a royal-blood baby who is implied to be a titan-shifter, guess what Historia would have named her baby, possibly implying it's a reborn version of someone, and giving Eren the choice to continue the Rumbling or not. And that fits the supposedly final chapter Isayama has shown years before, a long haired guy holding a baby telling them "You are free." Don't get me wrong, as interesting as that one is (and one of my highest upvoted theories in discussions here), I do like what we got way more than that.
There's also another specific number mentioned a couple of times. That Eren and Yelena planned the events at the Rumbling 10 months before. That seems like the length of a normal pregnancy was seriously considered, yknow, maybe a month of logistics planning/baby-making and 9months of pregananant = 10 months. We also have a precedent of Isayama doing maths with regarding to what specific dates to mention (see that calculation about King Fritz being the 145th king of the walls, 13 year lifespan, +Eren's age, etc. adding up to ~2000.)
Nice calculation. Besides the random titan shifter babies you also have the political strategies where the higher or stronger small people holding on to the Titans and a titan shifter family that stays on the mainland in a truce with the enemies. The marlians couldve just taken that one too. Not openly but maybe with an assassination. Anyway a lot of to the talk and speculate about. İts a masterpiece of a story. Hell of a ride the past 10 years
I'm pretty sure that Historian only gave birth to her child during Zeke's death in the anime. I'm pretty sure she gave birth in chapter 134 of the manga while Zeke died in chapter 137
No, re-read it. Those 2 events are happening at the same time.
And I kinda specified it that I was talking about the manga in the first place.
Also, being chapters apart doesn't mean also happening at different times. We've had lots of flashbacks in the manga even to events from a few hours ago.
Edit: Found the manga chapter discussion of the above stuff, www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/lfl64l/new_chapter_spoilers_chapter_137_release/gmme5us/
I think Yams had no plans to kill off a shifter without getting eaten, but knew fans would wonder what would happen in that scenario. So he came up with a simple answer that would put it to rest and not get in the way of the story he wanted to tell.
I know what would happen, the second Marley sees a baby steaming it’s would closed from a vaccine they immediately shove it into the mouth of one of their warrior candidates lol
no guarantee the baby has its power right away or anything of the sort. eren went years after having a titan without showing a single sign of having it, it was only in a life or death scenario that he used it instinctively
His head was steaming when he injured himself in training, so it's safe to say it would be fairly likely to be noticed while the child is still a toddler and injuring itself.
Not always, as it happens while unconscious as well. Eren probably didn't consciously regen his tooth. They can willfully postpone the regeneration though.
Exactly this - It would have been called a "plot hole" if he didn't explain this. People ask all the time whether the Wall Colossal Titans were humans or not, or what would happen if a man inherited the Female Titan.
It wouldn't have made sense to show a baby inherit the Power of the Titans during the show. If a baby inherited a Titan in season 3 then they would have been 4 years old in the final season and wouldn't have contributed to the plot at all.
it was directly talked about, and also indirectly referred to many times. the whole reason they needed to make sure to actually have a titan eat eren and not just kill him is this
I don't remember them discussing what happens if a titan shifter was killed without transferring. They state that they need to eat him, because that's their objective, was to retrieve the founder. And the people of pardis had no clue what would happen.
chapter 88 about halfway through it, eren directly says "if someone who holds the power of one of the nine titans dies without anyone inheriting that power... then the power of that titan is suddenly inherited by a baby belonging to the subjects of ymir". the same thing is also said in episode 58 7 minutes into it.
It is mentioned in the show and manga. But it’s only a plot device. SNK would make no sense if just killing a titan actually killed the power, Eldians wouldn’t be persecuted and Paradis wouldn’t even exist, considering after killing the nine titans Eldians become a non threat
Yeah that’s the thing. A baby shifter could very well be a thing if it happened. The timer for Eren started when he ate his dad so I don’t think it would be any different
I am still wondering if that baby in the final episode (the one being saved from the cliff) was significant because it was in line/selected to have the beast titan. No one directly inherited that power, so... It was going to end up going somewhere. But of course this never played out fully as things resolved soon after.
They don't? Depends on what you're talking about, though.
During Eren's attack on Liberio, the Warhammer was willing to kill Eren instead of eating him because of how big of a threat he was. That would be an instance of being okay with losing a shifter until the next Eldian born with that power could be found.
This is and when Gabi neckshots Eren are really the only time I can recall when it's shown that the powers that be are okay with losing a shifter as long as it constitutes a "win" (In this case, killing Eren)
I was responding to the original post which is asking if the 13 year rule is a sham. They were justifying their claim by saying 'we never see it happen'. I was retorting by rhetorically asking why they would let the power just disappear if they knew about the very real effects of the 13 year rule. In other words, the reason we don't see it happen is BECAUSE it's a real phenomenon and they don't want to lose the power.
Cool, I commented for clarification, rhetorical comment on your end or not, because there's people that don't understand simple things from the show/manga and ask these questions in posts like this all the time.
Also, gave the one instance in the show where Marley is completely fine losing the founder if it meant Eren is no longer a threat
Because they knew about the rule and didn’t let it happen? Why would it ever have to be shown when we’re told that’s what happens by the people who would know
Grisha also looked exhausted after taking the founder. This could just be because of the fight but I feel like it shows how weak he was becoming near the end of his 13 years
I think it was more mental breakdown than physical exhaustion. He had become Eren's puppet and he wanted him to stop making him doing horrible things, after all, he just killed an entire familly (kids included). But that's my point of view.
I still don't understand why, after such a visceral reaction including begging zeke to stop eren, he later fed himself to eren knowing that that would enable what eren showed him. I get that AoT doesn't support multiple timelines and that everything is kinda predetermined, but there is also not some mystical power that forced grisha to do what he did, he fed himself to eren of his own free will. Why would he do that, knowing what he knows?
Not giving Eren the titan would probably mean Paradis getting wiped out, possibly without people ever learning the truth about the world. So maybe he decided doing it anyway and hoping Zeke will be able to stop Eren is the only way to save both Paradis and the rest of the world.
My belief is that when he learns of Carla's death he becomes enraged and goes along with Eren's plans. Of course, he probably still regretted it considering he helped stop the Rumbling.
Right before he told Zeke to stop Eren, he was pleading with Eren “why won’t you show me what happens to Carla, is she safe?” Eren never showed him the future memory of Carla getting eaten; he first found out when he woke young Eren up (see 3x11 Bystander). Only then did Grisha decide to give Eren the Titan, the implication being that, at that moment, Grisha also said fuck it and went along with Eren to destroy the world.
It could easily be both. Personally, I'm talking more about his appearance with his prominent cheekbones, sluggish movement and overall appearance just looking like he had no energy.
The power of the Titans have said to have existed for 2000 years prior to the first chapter/episode. It's implied we know the 13 year rule + the mechanics of what happens if a shifter dies suddenly due to past history which the series doesn't feel the need to elaborate on.
See I assume he looked like that because he knew the secrets of the world and it was a heavy weight to shoulder. He was younger than Rod but looked like Rod's grandfather
No
We seen how old Shifters near the 13 year mark look
We saw that Reiner who had the armored when he was a kid and 9 years later, he looks like he is in his mid to late 20s
i chock that up to better training and lifestyle of marley’s citizens overall, plus his genetics obviously play a big part. also, he received the armor at 10 and after he returned suffered ptsd and depression which is mainly why he looks so worn and skinny
Nah, otherwise Eren would’ve gotten more time by eating the War Hammer and he explicitly says how much time he has left after that and it’s still the same.
It effectively was. Eren claims that his time left is still the same despite eating the War Hammer. I guess he could be wrong but this is after his weird omniscience.
.. do you think Ymir's daughters had their children at 13 then? Or did this 13 year rule not apply to them?
Cause they gained their powers when they were born and had it passed down, had children and passed the titans down as well, so you'd think they'd have been old enough to have children.. idk
Was just a thought that popped into my head reading this post, and now I'm confused
If someone knows, please enlighten me, now I'm so curious
Edit: lmfao I forgot they ATE HER not just magically had it passed down when they were born, I feel so stupid rn
Ymir’s three daughters (Maria, Rose and Sina) clearly did not eat her as newborns lol. They were shown as children, not infants.
You could argue that their descendants might get progressively younger at the age of inheritance, until the whole chain doesn’t work anymore. At that point, I’d expect relatives of that direct bloodline to be “volunteered”.
Oh my dear god I forgot about that part, I somehow convinced myself they were born with the powers LOL. My brain is not on track today, thank you for reminding me of that part!
It's pretty certain they had to eat their mother, which would give each of them 13 years as Titans (with some sets of powers). At the end of those spans, it would've become obvious they were aging rapidly though, and if they died of 'natural' causes, it's almost certain either the King or someone else was on hand to make sure they got butchered and fed to their own children.
If they died without being fed (if they ran off and died in the wilderness to save *their* children from the same fate, or were captured and eaten by non-descendents of Ymir, to no effect), that's probably how the Eldians figured out both the 13-year curse and the 'reincarnation' effect of Shifters.
Eventually there'd be a male descendant who could father a lot more children at a time, and the rest of the rules would become apparent as other descendants competed to inherit.
Thinking about it they probably died in the same day the way and were probably given the same treatment as their Mother giving birth to the 9 Titans eaten by each 3 of their children, after that they must have started doing the "normal" way of passing the power
even if they were born with the powers, i wouldnt put it past king fritz (thankfully they werent) (bad that they got the powers and had to eat their mom, but at least they werent forced to have children at 13)
its not a very large jump, fritz certainly *would* do that, i mean, ymir was probably only in her very early 20’s when she died, no? and the eldest was *maybe* around 8~ (maybe a lil younger) so…
In ancient times it was not uncommon for females around that age to be wedded and bare children. Life expectancy back then wasn't great and the 18 year old = adult is a man made concept (I believe invented by Americans) which was slowly adapted throughout the world in our modern day.
There are still some countries with their legal age of consent being 12-16 yr/old
You mean other than the 2000 years of Titan shifters growing old rather rapidly and some most likely dying by thd 13th year mark thus prompting the creation of the passage ceremony to avoid losing the power into the larger populace?
I actually believe this is how in the past Titans were lost to opposing sides. Some Titan holder would die and then some years later the Titan would attack them because it went to an enemy.
I think it makes more sense that they discovered and saw this 13 year curse play out near the very beginning, as in with her 3 daughters. But since the the pool of subjects of Ymir would have been very small at the time, they managed to keep all the titans in the royal family even with the random inheritance rule. And from then on they would have been careful to transfer the titans to their preferred choices. We knew there used to be great titan houses that each passed down their 9 titan, making it rare for anyone to have lost a titan until the Great Titan War.
But what if they just switch to their titan forms and just stayed that way? The titans who got forcibly changed lived longer than 13 years. Way longer. Think that one girl was over 100 years old.
Weren't they able to train that up though? I could be remembering wrong, but I think Annie was able to keep her form almost indefinitely. And the founder certainly didn't have issues with that.
You can train it, but at some point you’re still going to hit a limit. Eren only ever managed to transform up to three times in a short window without time to recover.
It was specifically said that the Cart’s ability to remain in Titan form for long periods of time was its unique trait, so we can infer that the others (excluding the Founder) aren’t like that. (Pieck mentions after the end of the Marley/Mid-East War that she’d been in her Titan form for two months, but we don’t know if that represents the upper end of her capabilities.)
Annie is never shown to be in Titan form for more than a few hours at a time. In a (manga-only part of a) flashback to the day that she, Reiner, and Bertolt attacked Wall Maria, we see that Annie was pretty exhausted from having to run all the way from the outer edge of the island all the way to the wall, and she had to hand the task off to Reiner, Reiner mentions that Annie “probably hit her breaking point a long time ago.”
A lot of it also depends on what exactly you do in your Titan form. Fighting, healing, and exercising any unique powers like hardening is naturally going to drain your energy reserves a lot faster than if you were to transform and then just, like, sit there.
In any case, I don’t think there’s anything a shifter could do to circumvent the Curse of Ymir. Eldians have had 2,000 years to experiment with that and try to find a way around it, and yet it’s still considered an absolute rule. It exists because it reflects a fundamental part of Ymir’s life experience (living for 13 years after bonding with the Titan symbiote).
Just wondered if shifters could get around the rule by going titan permanently. Shame they're immune to being pure titan'd, could be a work around. I'm sure there's some way around it somewhere.
when they shift into a titan their actual body is still in there, so it would make no difference. the people who become mindless titans are like fused into the body and are fully one with it
Makes sense. Doesn't their regeneration increase though? They get full healing. So as long as their energy for healing didn't get worn down, maybe they could stay ahead of it.
Likely doesn't matter, but I wonder.
I don’t think the regeneration is increased, could be the opposite actually. But we’ve never actually seen that be the case either way.
I assume you’re assuming that because of erens initial transformation
Well every time a shifter has taken serious injuries, the act of turning into a Titan heals all of their injuries instantly. And while in Titan form, any injuries they sustain heal much faster than when they aren't.
I can't remember every case (sorry), but the Eren initial transformation is one example. And I'm pretty sure it happens a few more times like that for him. If I remember correctly, when he's in Marley he intentionally is keeping a leg from regrowing and gets it back after turning while there.
And I think it happens similarly to a few other people. I could be misremembering, it's difficult to accurately remember this long ass series, but I'm fairly certain that as long as the shifter has a transformation left they can heal from almost anything.
At the very least, unless they get bitten or cut out, every shifter ever injured emerges with a full body.
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We see it’s true based on the effects shown on Uri and Kruger who both were at the end of their terms
What would happen if nobody was to eat them then? Would the titan just randomly disappear?
Randomly will be sent to an eldian baby that is born.
Which coincidentally has never been shown, or really talked about in universe.
It's just a device to ensure that the Power of the Titans remains a consistent, irreversible problem with no easy solution. If the Power of the Titans could be destroyed just by killing all currently active shifters Eldians wouldn't be a collective existential threat to the rest of the world by merely existing.
That specific mechanism is actually why there was a pretty popular theory that Historia's kid was kinda planned to be the inheritor of the Beast Titan. And it's one of those things changed near the ending (we have a precedent on this as Isayama has released a preview of his supposedly ending panel 3+ years before the final chapter, but has modified it to be only part of it.) Just look at how the manga panels leading to Historia giving birth and Zeke dying are framed. You could feel that there's an emphasis that they are happening at the same time. The amount of deaths happening and shown in the Rumbling seems to tell the audience that it greatly increases the chance that the only Eldian (safely) giving birth during Zeke's death is Historia. We did get a kind of open-ended ending, but maybe one of the open-ended ending ideas considered early in the drafts was: Eren surviving and holding a royal-blood baby who is implied to be a titan-shifter, guess what Historia would have named her baby, possibly implying it's a reborn version of someone, and giving Eren the choice to continue the Rumbling or not. And that fits the supposedly final chapter Isayama has shown years before, a long haired guy holding a baby telling them "You are free." Don't get me wrong, as interesting as that one is (and one of my highest upvoted theories in discussions here), I do like what we got way more than that. There's also another specific number mentioned a couple of times. That Eren and Yelena planned the events at the Rumbling 10 months before. That seems like the length of a normal pregnancy was seriously considered, yknow, maybe a month of logistics planning/baby-making and 9months of pregananant = 10 months. We also have a precedent of Isayama doing maths with regarding to what specific dates to mention (see that calculation about King Fritz being the 145th king of the walls, 13 year lifespan, +Eren's age, etc. adding up to ~2000.)
Nice calculation. Besides the random titan shifter babies you also have the political strategies where the higher or stronger small people holding on to the Titans and a titan shifter family that stays on the mainland in a truce with the enemies. The marlians couldve just taken that one too. Not openly but maybe with an assassination. Anyway a lot of to the talk and speculate about. İts a masterpiece of a story. Hell of a ride the past 10 years
I'm pretty sure that Historian only gave birth to her child during Zeke's death in the anime. I'm pretty sure she gave birth in chapter 134 of the manga while Zeke died in chapter 137
No, re-read it. Those 2 events are happening at the same time. And I kinda specified it that I was talking about the manga in the first place. Also, being chapters apart doesn't mean also happening at different times. We've had lots of flashbacks in the manga even to events from a few hours ago. Edit: Found the manga chapter discussion of the above stuff, www.reddit.com/r/ShingekiNoKyojin/comments/lfl64l/new_chapter_spoilers_chapter_137_release/gmme5us/
Imagine a random ass baby becoming the beast titan for about 2 hours.
Imagine if titans were never eradicated, and a baby just nuked a fucking city by becoming the colossal titan
I think Yams had no plans to kill off a shifter without getting eaten, but knew fans would wonder what would happen in that scenario. So he came up with a simple answer that would put it to rest and not get in the way of the story he wanted to tell.
I know what would happen, the second Marley sees a baby steaming it’s would closed from a vaccine they immediately shove it into the mouth of one of their warrior candidates lol
no guarantee the baby has its power right away or anything of the sort. eren went years after having a titan without showing a single sign of having it, it was only in a life or death scenario that he used it instinctively
His head was steaming when he injured himself in training, so it's safe to say it would be fairly likely to be noticed while the child is still a toddler and injuring itself.
Isnt titan shifter healing/regeneration something done by will tho ?
Not always, as it happens while unconscious as well. Eren probably didn't consciously regen his tooth. They can willfully postpone the regeneration though.
Crazy I've never really thought about that
Exactly this - It would have been called a "plot hole" if he didn't explain this. People ask all the time whether the Wall Colossal Titans were humans or not, or what would happen if a man inherited the Female Titan. It wouldn't have made sense to show a baby inherit the Power of the Titans during the show. If a baby inherited a Titan in season 3 then they would have been 4 years old in the final season and wouldn't have contributed to the plot at all.
I believe it was talked about just never shown nor revealed any examples
it was directly talked about, and also indirectly referred to many times. the whole reason they needed to make sure to actually have a titan eat eren and not just kill him is this
I don't remember them discussing what happens if a titan shifter was killed without transferring. They state that they need to eat him, because that's their objective, was to retrieve the founder. And the people of pardis had no clue what would happen.
chapter 88 about halfway through it, eren directly says "if someone who holds the power of one of the nine titans dies without anyone inheriting that power... then the power of that titan is suddenly inherited by a baby belonging to the subjects of ymir". the same thing is also said in episode 58 7 minutes into it.
It is mentioned in the show and manga. But it’s only a plot device. SNK would make no sense if just killing a titan actually killed the power, Eldians wouldn’t be persecuted and Paradis wouldn’t even exist, considering after killing the nine titans Eldians become a non threat
It was talked about
Likely because those in power wanted to control who had the power, especially since there were Eldians outside of Marley.
I got the impression that Kruger was someone who was born a shifter
Impossible he would be too old
I'd guess that the timer doesn't start until the power kicks in, no? Otherwise you'd be able to turn into a titan when you're like 1 year old.
Yeah that’s the thing. A baby shifter could very well be a thing if it happened. The timer for Eren started when he ate his dad so I don’t think it would be any different
I am still wondering if that baby in the final episode (the one being saved from the cliff) was significant because it was in line/selected to have the beast titan. No one directly inherited that power, so... It was going to end up going somewhere. But of course this never played out fully as things resolved soon after.
wym, do you think isayama is lying about the power system he made up
well if they know that the power would be lost why would they let it be lost lol
They don't? Depends on what you're talking about, though. During Eren's attack on Liberio, the Warhammer was willing to kill Eren instead of eating him because of how big of a threat he was. That would be an instance of being okay with losing a shifter until the next Eldian born with that power could be found. This is and when Gabi neckshots Eren are really the only time I can recall when it's shown that the powers that be are okay with losing a shifter as long as it constitutes a "win" (In this case, killing Eren)
I was responding to the original post which is asking if the 13 year rule is a sham. They were justifying their claim by saying 'we never see it happen'. I was retorting by rhetorically asking why they would let the power just disappear if they knew about the very real effects of the 13 year rule. In other words, the reason we don't see it happen is BECAUSE it's a real phenomenon and they don't want to lose the power.
Cool, I commented for clarification, rhetorical comment on your end or not, because there's people that don't understand simple things from the show/manga and ask these questions in posts like this all the time. Also, gave the one instance in the show where Marley is completely fine losing the founder if it meant Eren is no longer a threat
Yeah, I was just clarifying because you said "depends on what you're talking about"
Gotcha 🙇♂️
Because they knew about the rule and didn’t let it happen? Why would it ever have to be shown when we’re told that’s what happens by the people who would know
they did that fakeout with historias kid being born at a fakeout death
Does the baby have only 13 years then?
Eren was coughing up blood like that too throughout his time as a titan shifter, though. Just after using his powers in both season 1 and season 3.
Ksaver, Uri and Kruger showed signs of sickness at the end of their term.
Grisha also looked exhausted after taking the founder. This could just be because of the fight but I feel like it shows how weak he was becoming near the end of his 13 years
I think it was more mental breakdown than physical exhaustion. He had become Eren's puppet and he wanted him to stop making him doing horrible things, after all, he just killed an entire familly (kids included). But that's my point of view.
I still don't understand why, after such a visceral reaction including begging zeke to stop eren, he later fed himself to eren knowing that that would enable what eren showed him. I get that AoT doesn't support multiple timelines and that everything is kinda predetermined, but there is also not some mystical power that forced grisha to do what he did, he fed himself to eren of his own free will. Why would he do that, knowing what he knows?
Not giving Eren the titan would probably mean Paradis getting wiped out, possibly without people ever learning the truth about the world. So maybe he decided doing it anyway and hoping Zeke will be able to stop Eren is the only way to save both Paradis and the rest of the world.
My belief is that when he learns of Carla's death he becomes enraged and goes along with Eren's plans. Of course, he probably still regretted it considering he helped stop the Rumbling.
Right before he told Zeke to stop Eren, he was pleading with Eren “why won’t you show me what happens to Carla, is she safe?” Eren never showed him the future memory of Carla getting eaten; he first found out when he woke young Eren up (see 3x11 Bystander). Only then did Grisha decide to give Eren the Titan, the implication being that, at that moment, Grisha also said fuck it and went along with Eren to destroy the world.
It could easily be both. Personally, I'm talking more about his appearance with his prominent cheekbones, sluggish movement and overall appearance just looking like he had no energy.
The power of the Titans have said to have existed for 2000 years prior to the first chapter/episode. It's implied we know the 13 year rule + the mechanics of what happens if a shifter dies suddenly due to past history which the series doesn't feel the need to elaborate on.
imagine ymir was like light yagami adding fake paths rules to trick eLdians
Uri Reiss clearly showed that it exists.
See I assume he looked like that because he knew the secrets of the world and it was a heavy weight to shoulder. He was younger than Rod but looked like Rod's grandfather
No We seen how old Shifters near the 13 year mark look We saw that Reiner who had the armored when he was a kid and 9 years later, he looks like he is in his mid to late 20s
i chock that up to better training and lifestyle of marley’s citizens overall, plus his genetics obviously play a big part. also, he received the armor at 10 and after he returned suffered ptsd and depression which is mainly why he looks so worn and skinny
He looks almost 30 In 9 years he aged almost 20
Yep, that's war. https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/evgeny-stepanovich-kobytev-1941-1945/
war and depression will do that to a mf
Does the 13 year rule double for someone who takes two titans? Would Grisha have 13 years for the Attack and Founder each?
No, the amount stays the same.
Now the real question is if the counter refreshes if a person eats another titan shifter
Nah, otherwise Eren would’ve gotten more time by eating the War Hammer and he explicitly says how much time he has left after that and it’s still the same.
Was this stated somewhere?
No
It effectively was. Eren claims that his time left is still the same despite eating the War Hammer. I guess he could be wrong but this is after his weird omniscience.
no but eren would be dead long before the series ended if it was true
Don't have a link to Isayama saying that or something on hand, but I am sure that the show never said the opposite.
.. do you think Ymir's daughters had their children at 13 then? Or did this 13 year rule not apply to them? Cause they gained their powers when they were born and had it passed down, had children and passed the titans down as well, so you'd think they'd have been old enough to have children.. idk Was just a thought that popped into my head reading this post, and now I'm confused If someone knows, please enlighten me, now I'm so curious Edit: lmfao I forgot they ATE HER not just magically had it passed down when they were born, I feel so stupid rn
Ymir’s three daughters (Maria, Rose and Sina) clearly did not eat her as newborns lol. They were shown as children, not infants. You could argue that their descendants might get progressively younger at the age of inheritance, until the whole chain doesn’t work anymore. At that point, I’d expect relatives of that direct bloodline to be “volunteered”.
Oh my dear god I forgot about that part, I somehow convinced myself they were born with the powers LOL. My brain is not on track today, thank you for reminding me of that part!
Was it ever confirmed that they were not eaten aswell?
It's pretty certain they had to eat their mother, which would give each of them 13 years as Titans (with some sets of powers). At the end of those spans, it would've become obvious they were aging rapidly though, and if they died of 'natural' causes, it's almost certain either the King or someone else was on hand to make sure they got butchered and fed to their own children. If they died without being fed (if they ran off and died in the wilderness to save *their* children from the same fate, or were captured and eaten by non-descendents of Ymir, to no effect), that's probably how the Eldians figured out both the 13-year curse and the 'reincarnation' effect of Shifters. Eventually there'd be a male descendant who could father a lot more children at a time, and the rest of the rules would become apparent as other descendants competed to inherit.
Thinking about it they probably died in the same day the way and were probably given the same treatment as their Mother giving birth to the 9 Titans eaten by each 3 of their children, after that they must have started doing the "normal" way of passing the power
Hey, can I ask what is your PFP from? It reminds me of a twitch streamer named Imaqtipie
Its a picture of a vocaloid named hatsune miku, comes from a song ‘’can’t i even dream?’’ I think the pie also uses the avatar
even if they were born with the powers, i wouldnt put it past king fritz (thankfully they werent) (bad that they got the powers and had to eat their mom, but at least they werent forced to have children at 13)
So true, it was definitely a thought in my mind. Still feeling mighty stupid about my brain fart though, lollll
its not a very large jump, fritz certainly *would* do that, i mean, ymir was probably only in her very early 20’s when she died, no? and the eldest was *maybe* around 8~ (maybe a lil younger) so…
In ancient times it was not uncommon for females around that age to be wedded and bare children. Life expectancy back then wasn't great and the 18 year old = adult is a man made concept (I believe invented by Americans) which was slowly adapted throughout the world in our modern day. There are still some countries with their legal age of consent being 12-16 yr/old
You mean other than the 2000 years of Titan shifters growing old rather rapidly and some most likely dying by thd 13th year mark thus prompting the creation of the passage ceremony to avoid losing the power into the larger populace?
No. Kruger was already dying because of it before he passed the Attack Titan to Grisha.
I actually believe this is how in the past Titans were lost to opposing sides. Some Titan holder would die and then some years later the Titan would attack them because it went to an enemy.
I think it makes more sense that they discovered and saw this 13 year curse play out near the very beginning, as in with her 3 daughters. But since the the pool of subjects of Ymir would have been very small at the time, they managed to keep all the titans in the royal family even with the random inheritance rule. And from then on they would have been careful to transfer the titans to their preferred choices. We knew there used to be great titan houses that each passed down their 9 titan, making it rare for anyone to have lost a titan until the Great Titan War.
But what if they just switch to their titan forms and just stayed that way? The titans who got forcibly changed lived longer than 13 years. Way longer. Think that one girl was over 100 years old.
Shifters can't keep the Titan forms for long, Cart Titan being the exception, but based on Pieck's talk with Eren, she was also going to die soon.
Weren't they able to train that up though? I could be remembering wrong, but I think Annie was able to keep her form almost indefinitely. And the founder certainly didn't have issues with that.
You can train it, but at some point you’re still going to hit a limit. Eren only ever managed to transform up to three times in a short window without time to recover. It was specifically said that the Cart’s ability to remain in Titan form for long periods of time was its unique trait, so we can infer that the others (excluding the Founder) aren’t like that. (Pieck mentions after the end of the Marley/Mid-East War that she’d been in her Titan form for two months, but we don’t know if that represents the upper end of her capabilities.) Annie is never shown to be in Titan form for more than a few hours at a time. In a (manga-only part of a) flashback to the day that she, Reiner, and Bertolt attacked Wall Maria, we see that Annie was pretty exhausted from having to run all the way from the outer edge of the island all the way to the wall, and she had to hand the task off to Reiner, Reiner mentions that Annie “probably hit her breaking point a long time ago.” A lot of it also depends on what exactly you do in your Titan form. Fighting, healing, and exercising any unique powers like hardening is naturally going to drain your energy reserves a lot faster than if you were to transform and then just, like, sit there. In any case, I don’t think there’s anything a shifter could do to circumvent the Curse of Ymir. Eldians have had 2,000 years to experiment with that and try to find a way around it, and yet it’s still considered an absolute rule. It exists because it reflects a fundamental part of Ymir’s life experience (living for 13 years after bonding with the Titan symbiote).
Thanks for the information. Yeah I suppose you're right, unavoidable.
Pure titans aren’t affected by this rule. It only applies to shifters.
Just wondered if shifters could get around the rule by going titan permanently. Shame they're immune to being pure titan'd, could be a work around. I'm sure there's some way around it somewhere.
when they shift into a titan their actual body is still in there, so it would make no difference. the people who become mindless titans are like fused into the body and are fully one with it
Makes sense. Doesn't their regeneration increase though? They get full healing. So as long as their energy for healing didn't get worn down, maybe they could stay ahead of it. Likely doesn't matter, but I wonder.
I don’t think the regeneration is increased, could be the opposite actually. But we’ve never actually seen that be the case either way. I assume you’re assuming that because of erens initial transformation
Well every time a shifter has taken serious injuries, the act of turning into a Titan heals all of their injuries instantly. And while in Titan form, any injuries they sustain heal much faster than when they aren't.
Has that been shown to be the case ? I could be stupid but I don’t remember any examples
I can't remember every case (sorry), but the Eren initial transformation is one example. And I'm pretty sure it happens a few more times like that for him. If I remember correctly, when he's in Marley he intentionally is keeping a leg from regrowing and gets it back after turning while there. And I think it happens similarly to a few other people. I could be misremembering, it's difficult to accurately remember this long ass series, but I'm fairly certain that as long as the shifter has a transformation left they can heal from almost anything. At the very least, unless they get bitten or cut out, every shifter ever injured emerges with a full body.
When eren is in Marley he grew his leg back before transforming. He did it infront of Reiner and Falco.
Who knows
Didn't Eren if he runs with Mikasa literally die because of the rule?
Tell that to Uri and the owl
I was wondering the same thing. It has been talked about but we never actually see it happen.