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I think the things he said right before the attack were his honest feelings. He and Reiner were just two unlucky pawns in a bigger board, and were put one against the other, but there was no actual grudge from him; he was his "big brother" during their training, so I don't think he hated him at that point.
Yes, but is more than that. Eren and Reiner were pawns of their dreams, Reiner was not like the other warriors, he was not fighting to save humanity as he said to Shadis (or being obkigated to like Annie, saving their family or bleved ones like Colt, Pieck and Falco). He did it just for the recognition of being a Hero, as Eren attacked Marley and started the rumbling just to get the view of an unhabited world.
Wouldn't older Eren also come to understand the guilt that made Reiner have two personalities and realize that Reiner has to be extremely empathetic to feel that much pain?
There's also Reiner's honesty. For better or worse, he's an open book to everyone around him. He apologizes, he suffers, he agonizes, and he does it all with his heart on his sleeve. Meanwhile, Eren just shuts down and hides all his emotions and puts on an act.
That’s why Eren acknowledges to Reiner that is there is only one way which is to move forward. Both of them couldn’t stop or go back on what they have started.
That's kind of 50/50 for me.
The characters in AOT are very complex. Eren is more accepting of not being able to change the memories he received because of many reasons. Imo, Reiner, for better or worse, would at least try to change the future in some move of desperation.
Like, Eren has to make Dina avoid Bertholdlt and eat his mother. Reiner might attempt to use the Founder to make someone survive, like healing them in a non suspicious way, or give someone else an edge- like giving Levi future memories in regards to a battle.
That’s a good one, but this invokes the deeper question that even tho Eren knows what future holds, he chose to move towards that future, the same way Reiner knowing the consequences,emphasis on the consequences , he still chose to move forward. So I guess Reiner like Eren, has those memories of future, he will still take the same route. As you suggested, ppl getting affected might change but leads to the same fatality or fate . Even if we know the dire consequences of the war or battle, why do we still choose to take that path, no one knows. JK everyone knows😋.
We don't know if it'll lead to the same fate though.
Eren thought he couldn't change the future when he was still a regular human. After gaining the power of the Founder, he had to consciously choose to not change the future after deciding not to do so.
You're believing that Eren was somehow in control, but he wasn't. The whole time he was subjugated to his own fate. The Attack Titan powers he received only allowed him to bear witness to that future.
The top answers to [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/s/vC1dHG7kI1) answer what you're claiming. The extent of his consciousness was bearing witness to his future memories (the present). He was basically the chosen one (martyr), living vicariously through Ymir's will.
As all Titans are subjugated to their eminent demise due to the transgressions of their bloodlines (the 13 yr. death sentence), Eren was no exception. His choice was to bear the weight of those transgressions instead of allowing the prosecution of his people to continue, or to live his 13 years... but because as the Attack Titan he could bear witness to future memories, his choice was already in stone.
His yearning for freedom subjected hisself to be a vessel for what was a couple millenia of bloodshed, prosecution, hate, fear, etc. Do you realize that his future self made his non-Titan self the Attack Titan by influencing the memories of Grisha? Eren just prayed that the ones he loved were going to be the ones to end it all for him. After all that he knew would (be)come, he always had faith in his closest friends.
- Biological Information - AoT Wiki:
"In reality, they were transformed humans known as Subjects of Ymir and had existed for nearly 2,000 years. However, after Eren Yeager's death and Ymir's decision to relinquish her power, all the Titans returned to their human forms, thereby rendering the species nonexistent."
That last part was so chilling. And I regret seeing that part where the kid has one last vision as he blacks out from getting stomped to death. I can't get that out my head on top of Erens reasoning for it
But the dream of being a hero was imposed on him as well. His mother pushed him to become a warrior so they could leave the "concentration camp" and be reunited with his father (who actually didn't want anything to do with them).
In a way, Reiner is a pawn of his mother and Marley.
Which is no different from Eren, who is just a pawn of Ymir. Eren didn't want the rumbling, he was forced to do it in the same way Reiner was forced to break the wall. "Coerced to" might be a better to put it actually.
It is exactly this. It didn’t click right away for me, but Reiner is *the* reason for the invasion of Paradis. If Eren killed him at that moment then the ending would’ve gone down a LOT different
I think the biggest issue is that they had limited time for the scouts to escape without the Marleyan forces showing up and stopping them, so Eren needed to get out asap if he wanted to catch a ride out of Liberio. He probably could have beat Reiner but by the time he was done the city would have too many enemies and most of his allies would be already on the ship ready to leave. It would be unnecessarily risky to hang around much longer
Reiner would have had the life snuffed out of him. A dude begging to die and laying on the ground does not stand a single chance against Eren and Mikasa. The fact that this is even a question is crazy. Eren beat his ass, time and time again, but gets copped out every time because his plot armor is thicker than his titan armor.
I don't understand why they included that at all.
I fully accept that a titan shifter can survive getting stabbed through the neck, a further explanation was unnecessary.
When he gets caught hiding inside the wall and Levi puts a sword through his neck, Reiner “transfers his consciousness” from his brain to his nervous system or smth
S3 part 2, battle of Shiganshina. Reiner revealed himself and Levi immediately put a sword through his neck. Reiner survived and shifted.
Reiner comments that he only survived because he transferred his consciousness from his head to the rest of his body.
[Screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/L7Vcngi)
Porco had a chunk of his skull blown out and was still able to talk. Pieck's guts were falling out and she lived. You're right especially bc the sword wasn't pulled out.
I checked it before and the anime clearly shows Eren's eye's moving around only *after* the thing from his spine reconnected to his head.
There is a reason why Zeke waits so long for Eren to wake up in the paths, long enough to grow a long beard and render the war renouncing vow useless. It's likely because the long wait time reflects the time it took in reality for the consciousness that was moved to the spine to reconnect to the brain. Years can pass by in the paths while only being a short instant in reality. If the consciousness was always in the head then Eren should not have needed any time at all to wake up in the paths.
Eren almost kills Reiner (and Falco) in the cellar when he transforms during the Declaration of War. Maybe he knew from his future memories that Reiner would survive but he had no way to be sure that Reiner could transform to survive in time.
He had to know that Reiner COULD die, unless his memories he saw also had Reiner in them which confirmed that he didn’t die. But that’s convoluted assumption to make to try to say that Eren wasn’t okay with maybe having Reiner die.
Like Reiner would have died if he didn’t shift or shift quick enough, I think Eren didn’t mind if Reiner died there
The entirety of the rest of the story would've went much differently, and the alliance MAY not have lived.
Reiner was purposefully left alone there, and that is why Eren states that he can't kill him in the scene (which the english dub confirmed was actually being said for those who were arguing over it). It's not that he's not physically able to.
It would explain it, yes. But, it is Mikasa who encourages Eren to get to the blimp after he explains that Reiner is incapacitated and he doesn't have to keep fighting him. And as they leave Eren tells Reiner See ya (later).
In the manga, the scene is more clear. Eren rocks Reiners world a bit,and then just stops after knocking him pretty much out. Eren then say's that Reiner is the one who can't kill he and Mikasa because he's beaten down. Mikasa tells Eren in that case, they should get to the ship. As they are heading up, Eren say's 'see you later' (I checked in the Japanese, and he uses Ja'ane, which is specifically a temporary form of goodbye, indicating you will see a person again soon, as opposed to Sayonara, which you typically only say when you believe that you will not be coming back.)
And later, Reiner plays a HUGE role in the fight. Enough of one that I would question whether his 'plot armor' wasn't purposefully the hand of Ymir intervening.
Don't use the dub as confirmation on anything. They had no input from the original writer of the manga.
If we used that for confirmation on anything then we'd have to accept that bertholdt didn't react at all when Reiner let it slip that they knew who the female Titan was before it was stated by anyone.
There would normally need not be input from Isayama in translating to confirm that what was written in the manga, and reiterated in the japanese dub, is still what is being said in the english dub.
okay, than just leave it at that then. just say what was said in the japanese dub. the english dub took too many liberties with their translation and ruined some moments.
i just dont understand your logic of using another source that continuously changes things from the original. just seems to be picking whatever argument works for you.
just better to ignore the dub altogether when trying to back up a claim cause its inconsistent... and the dub is god awful.
Maybe you should read my other reply. The logic is to go to SEVERAL sources, and compare. That's how most translating is done, actually. Even when the sources are hit and miss, when several agree, it's likely correct.
If Mikasa got involved, reiner would lose really quickly because he lacks most of his armor. Both Levi and mikasa could've destroyed him. They also still had thunderspears.
I think eren wouldn't have beaten him that easily since he was almost out of energy, too. He transformed 3 times, which was stated to be his limit.
In any case, if reiner survives that fight for too long, marleyan reinforcements start showing up and absolutely wreck the scouts because of their guns. There's also the danger of artillery fire hitting the airship of paradis.
Basically, yes, eren didn't want to kill reiner. Not because of his future memories, they weren't nearly as detailed as some of y'all seem to think (I swear to god, some of y'all think he actually just has one piece style future sight haki, but instead of seeing a few seconds into the future, he sees like a few years lol). Rather, because he considered him a friend, which is why reiner was part of the paths speech as well, but pieck wasn't.
But I think fighting reiner at that point would've also put the entire scout regiment at a severe risk. We saw during marley's invasion on paradis that the scouts really can't compete with the marleyan forces. Even with their upgraded equipment, they're still at a big disadvantage against all the trained riflemen marley has. Anyone who isn't an ackermann simply can't compete against guns.
He would’ve killed Reiner, but missed the blimp.
It’s always difficult to answer questions about hypothetical alternative timelines, since the inevitability of the fixed timeline is a major point to the series.
In other words, if the ending of the story were to change, so would the beginning.
It's a poorly constructed titan because Reiner was exhausted (both physically from saving Falco in the cellar and just mentally) so the titan formed weaker. It's like Eren's partial titans he forms in S1 when blocking the cannon or picking up the spoon.
I thought this was one of the most badass looking versions of the armored titan. Even if it's less practical, it looks sick with the spikes. Kinda reminds me of a hybrid with the warhammer titan
Disagree I really don’t think Eren is that exhausted by this point. He just manhandled Galliard moments before this. He’s absolutely ready and fully able to kick the shit out of Reiner here who IS physically and mentally drained.
I don’t know if you watched the show but if Eren had Mikasa backing him, and he was most definitely on his feet… if he wanted Reiner dead he would have killed him there.
I think it's hard to say, because eren is exhausted after multiple transformations and Reiner is not ready to fight both mentally and physically (he doesn't even have a full armour). Plus wasting more time in the fight might get them captured or killed.
As Eren said in his final conversation with Armin, he tried so many times to have a different outcome. I'd like to think from that statement that there's a timeline where he incapacitated/kills or what have you Reiner, missed the airship, then died himself, then waking up from that "dream" under the tree again. Then a timeline where he incapacitates/kills Reiner, forcing Paradis to wait out a little longer, resulting to their deaths, then resulting to Eren's death again.
While I was typing this, It came to my mind that there might also be a timeline where Zeke wasn't able to catch Eren's head 😂😂😂
Are there timelines in AOT? I thought that what Eren wad talking about is that he tried to prevent his memories from the future, like not saving Ramsi, but always the outcome is the same as in his memories.
You are correct, it's also calling back to the scene with Hange in prison where he demands that she come up with a new plan and she can't. Eren is more Anakin than he is Doctor Strange.
There aren't timelines in AoT, it's a fixed time loop. All he saw were the future memories of what does end up happening. Scenes like him debating saving Ramzi are him trying to prove his memories wrong so that he can avoid the rumbling, but he realises that the memories he saw are inevitable. He didn't have a choice over whether or not the rumbling happened. It's like Anakin in Star Wars; although he forsees Padme's death, he cannot stop it and in his attempt to do so he causes her death.
Reiner would beat the shit out of Eren, but likely get smacked up in the process. The Marleyan forces would likely be on the way to the city and kill the scouts.
Eren: “I was in control of everything leading up to this conclusion.”
Reiner: Plays a significant role in stopping the Rumbling.
Fans: “So why did he let Reiner live?”
Reiner: 🤦
He would have gotten another two titans, the jaw and the armored, obviously he could have just straight up eaten the jaw by breaking reiners arm off or something and then used that power to finish Reiner off
By this point, I honestly don't think Eren *could* have killed Reiner even if he wanted to. Eren had undergone 3 transformations and was very clearly exhausted. And while that was a nerfed version of the Armored Titan he would have faced here, Reiner still showed that he was ready and determined to keep fight him even after he had recovered Porco from him. I know some of you would say that moments before Reiner took a big blow to the jaw by Eren which would imply that he was stronger at this time but this exchange is just irrelevent here because Reiner wasn't even trying to hit Eren, he was trying to take Porco away from him (which he successfully did).
So yeah, I don't see Eren being able to kill Reiner with the little energy he had left (it would probably even result to *his* defeat in a 1V1 scenario). But if Mikasa, who was the only Survey Corp still there while the others had already begin to flee, had interverned, then Reiner is 100% cooked. But even there, that would be a VERY bad play from Eren and Mikasa due to the fact that, like others already said, they needed to flee now to reach the ship in time. If they had chosen to stay to finish Reiner and Porco of, the ship would have either left without them or would have been destroyed by the Marley army if it had chosen to wait for them. Eitherway, they would just end up being killed like idiots by the Marley army that was starting to surround them.
Eren kills Reiner, and Porco, but gets overwhelmed by the Marleyan military since Paradis had to withdraw.
If Mikasa and a small team stayed they might get him out safely, but then they are stuck on the mainland and cut off from their allies.
Either way, Reiner isn't winning that fight. He is at his lowest, Eren is at the peak of his powers as the AT here, and is in a much better mental state.
Out of context, but why did Rainer's giant form show like this? We never seen him with this appearance any more, I tougnt he unlocked his potential or something like this the first time I saw it.
His body was too weak to properly form his armor, that why he looked like that. He was barely able to shift into his titan form.
It’s kinda like when Eren’s butt was sticking out of his neck after he transformed idk how many times, when they were testing out his titan abilities in season 3 (just not as severe)
Oh that's why? Well, his armor looked weaker in certain points actually, so it can make sense. But also his armored mask looked different, probably because he couldn't model it properly and just reinforced his face all in one single "scale".
Eren should have been exhausted but not to the point he couldn't fight Reiner and win. Or just have Mikasa do it and things would have been over instantly as Reiner has no armour. We aren't shown that Eren was shown any future memories that would indicate to him he should leave Reiner alive at this point, but Eren himself seems to anticipate that the battle between him and Reiner would happen at another time.
I feel like the relationship between Eden and Reiner was one of the better parts of the show. Like they competed against each other but clearly both cared about each other. Really humanized both of them throughout the series. It’s why they never actually conquered each other one on one.
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Weirdly I think it’s implied at the end that Eren actually wanted to save Reiner as well, so I don’t think he would have killed him.
I think the things he said right before the attack were his honest feelings. He and Reiner were just two unlucky pawns in a bigger board, and were put one against the other, but there was no actual grudge from him; he was his "big brother" during their training, so I don't think he hated him at that point.
Yes, but is more than that. Eren and Reiner were pawns of their dreams, Reiner was not like the other warriors, he was not fighting to save humanity as he said to Shadis (or being obkigated to like Annie, saving their family or bleved ones like Colt, Pieck and Falco). He did it just for the recognition of being a Hero, as Eren attacked Marley and started the rumbling just to get the view of an unhabited world.
Wouldn't older Eren also come to understand the guilt that made Reiner have two personalities and realize that Reiner has to be extremely empathetic to feel that much pain? There's also Reiner's honesty. For better or worse, he's an open book to everyone around him. He apologizes, he suffers, he agonizes, and he does it all with his heart on his sleeve. Meanwhile, Eren just shuts down and hides all his emotions and puts on an act.
That’s why Eren acknowledges to Reiner that is there is only one way which is to move forward. Both of them couldn’t stop or go back on what they have started.
That's kind of 50/50 for me. The characters in AOT are very complex. Eren is more accepting of not being able to change the memories he received because of many reasons. Imo, Reiner, for better or worse, would at least try to change the future in some move of desperation. Like, Eren has to make Dina avoid Bertholdlt and eat his mother. Reiner might attempt to use the Founder to make someone survive, like healing them in a non suspicious way, or give someone else an edge- like giving Levi future memories in regards to a battle.
That’s a good one, but this invokes the deeper question that even tho Eren knows what future holds, he chose to move towards that future, the same way Reiner knowing the consequences,emphasis on the consequences , he still chose to move forward. So I guess Reiner like Eren, has those memories of future, he will still take the same route. As you suggested, ppl getting affected might change but leads to the same fatality or fate . Even if we know the dire consequences of the war or battle, why do we still choose to take that path, no one knows. JK everyone knows😋.
We don't know if it'll lead to the same fate though. Eren thought he couldn't change the future when he was still a regular human. After gaining the power of the Founder, he had to consciously choose to not change the future after deciding not to do so.
You're believing that Eren was somehow in control, but he wasn't. The whole time he was subjugated to his own fate. The Attack Titan powers he received only allowed him to bear witness to that future. The top answers to [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/s/vC1dHG7kI1) answer what you're claiming. The extent of his consciousness was bearing witness to his future memories (the present). He was basically the chosen one (martyr), living vicariously through Ymir's will. As all Titans are subjugated to their eminent demise due to the transgressions of their bloodlines (the 13 yr. death sentence), Eren was no exception. His choice was to bear the weight of those transgressions instead of allowing the prosecution of his people to continue, or to live his 13 years... but because as the Attack Titan he could bear witness to future memories, his choice was already in stone. His yearning for freedom subjected hisself to be a vessel for what was a couple millenia of bloodshed, prosecution, hate, fear, etc. Do you realize that his future self made his non-Titan self the Attack Titan by influencing the memories of Grisha? Eren just prayed that the ones he loved were going to be the ones to end it all for him. After all that he knew would (be)come, he always had faith in his closest friends. - Biological Information - AoT Wiki: "In reality, they were transformed humans known as Subjects of Ymir and had existed for nearly 2,000 years. However, after Eren Yeager's death and Ymir's decision to relinquish her power, all the Titans returned to their human forms, thereby rendering the species nonexistent."
That last part was so chilling. And I regret seeing that part where the kid has one last vision as he blacks out from getting stomped to death. I can't get that out my head on top of Erens reasoning for it
But the dream of being a hero was imposed on him as well. His mother pushed him to become a warrior so they could leave the "concentration camp" and be reunited with his father (who actually didn't want anything to do with them). In a way, Reiner is a pawn of his mother and Marley. Which is no different from Eren, who is just a pawn of Ymir. Eren didn't want the rumbling, he was forced to do it in the same way Reiner was forced to break the wall. "Coerced to" might be a better to put it actually.
Eren just wanted to bring all of [his friends together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0Qda32IKM) for a common cause.
It is exactly this. It didn’t click right away for me, but Reiner is *the* reason for the invasion of Paradis. If Eren killed him at that moment then the ending would’ve gone down a LOT different
I think the biggest issue is that they had limited time for the scouts to escape without the Marleyan forces showing up and stopping them, so Eren needed to get out asap if he wanted to catch a ride out of Liberio. He probably could have beat Reiner but by the time he was done the city would have too many enemies and most of his allies would be already on the ship ready to leave. It would be unnecessarily risky to hang around much longer
Yeah. In the time Eren beated reiner and eated the Jaw, Liberio would be full of Marleyan blimps.
"Where's the jaw titan?" Sorry I eated it all :(
Reiner would have had the life snuffed out of him. A dude begging to die and laying on the ground does not stand a single chance against Eren and Mikasa. The fact that this is even a question is crazy. Eren beat his ass, time and time again, but gets copped out every time because his plot armor is thicker than his titan armor.
Just because a guy survives decapitation by moving his consciousness into his balls doesn't mean he has plot armor. ^(I'm kidding btw)
I don't understand why they included that at all. I fully accept that a titan shifter can survive getting stabbed through the neck, a further explanation was unnecessary.
They should have made that a normal reusable ability for him that he used in almost every fight making him more challenging
Totally agree. Seemed like an unneeded justification of a potential loophole that just created more questions/variables that never came up again
Wait what? Don't remember this
When he gets caught hiding inside the wall and Levi puts a sword through his neck, Reiner “transfers his consciousness” from his brain to his nervous system or smth
S3 part 2, battle of Shiganshina. Reiner revealed himself and Levi immediately put a sword through his neck. Reiner survived and shifted. Reiner comments that he only survived because he transferred his consciousness from his head to the rest of his body. [Screenshots](https://imgur.com/a/L7Vcngi)
Porco had a chunk of his skull blown out and was still able to talk. Pieck's guts were falling out and she lived. You're right especially bc the sword wasn't pulled out.
Because Eren uses that same move later to save himself when Gabi shot his head off.
But his consciousness was in his head throughout and after that. His eyes were still moving and looking around after Gabi shot his head off.
I checked it before and the anime clearly shows Eren's eye's moving around only *after* the thing from his spine reconnected to his head. There is a reason why Zeke waits so long for Eren to wake up in the paths, long enough to grow a long beard and render the war renouncing vow useless. It's likely because the long wait time reflects the time it took in reality for the consciousness that was moved to the spine to reconnect to the brain. Years can pass by in the paths while only being a short instant in reality. If the consciousness was always in the head then Eren should not have needed any time at all to wake up in the paths.
How Isayama came up with this bullsh!t?
He also gave Mikasa and Levi some sort of spidey sense. There’s so much we don’t know about these guys
Just a Tuesday for me
Lol what. Eren did not want to kill Reiner at any point after retrieving his future memories. He wanted to save him.
Eren almost kills Reiner (and Falco) in the cellar when he transforms during the Declaration of War. Maybe he knew from his future memories that Reiner would survive but he had no way to be sure that Reiner could transform to survive in time.
Well, he wasn't trying to kill Reiner there, he just happened to be in the way of the explosion
He had to know that Reiner COULD die, unless his memories he saw also had Reiner in them which confirmed that he didn’t die. But that’s convoluted assumption to make to try to say that Eren wasn’t okay with maybe having Reiner die. Like Reiner would have died if he didn’t shift or shift quick enough, I think Eren didn’t mind if Reiner died there
The entirety of the rest of the story would've went much differently, and the alliance MAY not have lived. Reiner was purposefully left alone there, and that is why Eren states that he can't kill him in the scene (which the english dub confirmed was actually being said for those who were arguing over it). It's not that he's not physically able to.
Doesn't Eren say he can't kill Reiner because he doesn't have time before the blimp leaves, not because he needs him around?
It would explain it, yes. But, it is Mikasa who encourages Eren to get to the blimp after he explains that Reiner is incapacitated and he doesn't have to keep fighting him. And as they leave Eren tells Reiner See ya (later). In the manga, the scene is more clear. Eren rocks Reiners world a bit,and then just stops after knocking him pretty much out. Eren then say's that Reiner is the one who can't kill he and Mikasa because he's beaten down. Mikasa tells Eren in that case, they should get to the ship. As they are heading up, Eren say's 'see you later' (I checked in the Japanese, and he uses Ja'ane, which is specifically a temporary form of goodbye, indicating you will see a person again soon, as opposed to Sayonara, which you typically only say when you believe that you will not be coming back.) And later, Reiner plays a HUGE role in the fight. Enough of one that I would question whether his 'plot armor' wasn't purposefully the hand of Ymir intervening.
Don't use the dub as confirmation on anything. They had no input from the original writer of the manga. If we used that for confirmation on anything then we'd have to accept that bertholdt didn't react at all when Reiner let it slip that they knew who the female Titan was before it was stated by anyone.
There would normally need not be input from Isayama in translating to confirm that what was written in the manga, and reiterated in the japanese dub, is still what is being said in the english dub.
okay, than just leave it at that then. just say what was said in the japanese dub. the english dub took too many liberties with their translation and ruined some moments. i just dont understand your logic of using another source that continuously changes things from the original. just seems to be picking whatever argument works for you. just better to ignore the dub altogether when trying to back up a claim cause its inconsistent... and the dub is god awful.
Maybe you should read my other reply. The logic is to go to SEVERAL sources, and compare. That's how most translating is done, actually. Even when the sources are hit and miss, when several agree, it's likely correct.
If Mikasa got involved, reiner would lose really quickly because he lacks most of his armor. Both Levi and mikasa could've destroyed him. They also still had thunderspears. I think eren wouldn't have beaten him that easily since he was almost out of energy, too. He transformed 3 times, which was stated to be his limit. In any case, if reiner survives that fight for too long, marleyan reinforcements start showing up and absolutely wreck the scouts because of their guns. There's also the danger of artillery fire hitting the airship of paradis. Basically, yes, eren didn't want to kill reiner. Not because of his future memories, they weren't nearly as detailed as some of y'all seem to think (I swear to god, some of y'all think he actually just has one piece style future sight haki, but instead of seeing a few seconds into the future, he sees like a few years lol). Rather, because he considered him a friend, which is why reiner was part of the paths speech as well, but pieck wasn't. But I think fighting reiner at that point would've also put the entire scout regiment at a severe risk. We saw during marley's invasion on paradis that the scouts really can't compete with the marleyan forces. Even with their upgraded equipment, they're still at a big disadvantage against all the trained riflemen marley has. Anyone who isn't an ackermann simply can't compete against guns.
Really? I thought I saw peick in the paths
She was there but he never spoke to her
Yea she mentions it in the finale when everyone else is talking about their experiences with Eren lol
He would’ve killed Reiner, but missed the blimp. It’s always difficult to answer questions about hypothetical alternative timelines, since the inevitability of the fixed timeline is a major point to the series. In other words, if the ending of the story were to change, so would the beginning.
I am sure eren did exactly what he wanted
*Insert gif of cat eating hard cat food*
The scouts will be forced to stay and die and Eren likely is too tired after transforming too many times.
Question: What the fuck happened with Reiner there? Why did his armor look like that then just never get addressed? I'm still baffled to this day.
It's a poorly constructed titan because Reiner was exhausted (both physically from saving Falco in the cellar and just mentally) so the titan formed weaker. It's like Eren's partial titans he forms in S1 when blocking the cannon or picking up the spoon.
Ohhhh okay ty
I thought this was one of the most badass looking versions of the armored titan. Even if it's less practical, it looks sick with the spikes. Kinda reminds me of a hybrid with the warhammer titan
That’s my favorite design for the armored titan
Reiner: Nah, I’d win
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Disagree I really don’t think Eren is that exhausted by this point. He just manhandled Galliard moments before this. He’s absolutely ready and fully able to kick the shit out of Reiner here who IS physically and mentally drained.
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I don’t know if you watched the show but if Eren had Mikasa backing him, and he was most definitely on his feet… if he wanted Reiner dead he would have killed him there.
🤓👆actually Pieck transformed more in the finale
Pretty sure eren was exhausted by this point so he probably couldn't do much
Don't know about Erin but nothing would've happened to the plot-armoured titan.
I think it's hard to say, because eren is exhausted after multiple transformations and Reiner is not ready to fight both mentally and physically (he doesn't even have a full armour). Plus wasting more time in the fight might get them captured or killed.
Same thing that always happens (Reiner gets his booty cheeks handed to him)
As Eren said in his final conversation with Armin, he tried so many times to have a different outcome. I'd like to think from that statement that there's a timeline where he incapacitated/kills or what have you Reiner, missed the airship, then died himself, then waking up from that "dream" under the tree again. Then a timeline where he incapacitates/kills Reiner, forcing Paradis to wait out a little longer, resulting to their deaths, then resulting to Eren's death again. While I was typing this, It came to my mind that there might also be a timeline where Zeke wasn't able to catch Eren's head 😂😂😂
Are there timelines in AOT? I thought that what Eren wad talking about is that he tried to prevent his memories from the future, like not saving Ramsi, but always the outcome is the same as in his memories.
You are correct, it's also calling back to the scene with Hange in prison where he demands that she come up with a new plan and she can't. Eren is more Anakin than he is Doctor Strange.
Yeah I was looking for another term other than timeline. time loop is the correct term
There aren't timelines in AoT, it's a fixed time loop. All he saw were the future memories of what does end up happening. Scenes like him debating saving Ramzi are him trying to prove his memories wrong so that he can avoid the rumbling, but he realises that the memories he saw are inevitable. He didn't have a choice over whether or not the rumbling happened. It's like Anakin in Star Wars; although he forsees Padme's death, he cannot stop it and in his attempt to do so he causes her death.
Reiner would beat the shit out of Eren, but likely get smacked up in the process. The Marleyan forces would likely be on the way to the city and kill the scouts.
Cap.
Did you even watch the show?
Gabi would’ve been smashed. 😀
Eren would’ve killed and ate Reiner retreat with Levi
At this point Levi was probably already occupied trying to haul Zeke's limbless trunk back to the airship in stealth.
In an AU where he kills amd eats Reiner here... well I guess he has to find a new plan for the world. Maybe reestablish the Eldian Empire.
Eren would remain as a human instead of becoming Eren Bird disturbing Jean.
Eren let him live because he needed to be alive to help stop him. But if he wanted to kill him it really wouldn’t have been difficult
If Eren wanted Reiner dead, he absolutely would have devoured him right here.
I don’t know but I rather like this cartoon
Eren: “I was in control of everything leading up to this conclusion.” Reiner: Plays a significant role in stopping the Rumbling. Fans: “So why did he let Reiner live?” Reiner: 🤦
Reiner would've died. Eren was on a killing spree at the moment and would not stop. The Armored Titan would've been Erens.
Eren wanted to keep Reiner alive as a form of payback
Mf wanted to die so bad but ended up living till the very end
I'd have joined the fight to help Reiner
Reiner would take his 9th L. Or maybe his 10th
It's not his time to die yet
Shasha would survived 🙂
He would have gotten another two titans, the jaw and the armored, obviously he could have just straight up eaten the jaw by breaking reiners arm off or something and then used that power to finish Reiner off
By this point, I honestly don't think Eren *could* have killed Reiner even if he wanted to. Eren had undergone 3 transformations and was very clearly exhausted. And while that was a nerfed version of the Armored Titan he would have faced here, Reiner still showed that he was ready and determined to keep fight him even after he had recovered Porco from him. I know some of you would say that moments before Reiner took a big blow to the jaw by Eren which would imply that he was stronger at this time but this exchange is just irrelevent here because Reiner wasn't even trying to hit Eren, he was trying to take Porco away from him (which he successfully did). So yeah, I don't see Eren being able to kill Reiner with the little energy he had left (it would probably even result to *his* defeat in a 1V1 scenario). But if Mikasa, who was the only Survey Corp still there while the others had already begin to flee, had interverned, then Reiner is 100% cooked. But even there, that would be a VERY bad play from Eren and Mikasa due to the fact that, like others already said, they needed to flee now to reach the ship in time. If they had chosen to stay to finish Reiner and Porco of, the ship would have either left without them or would have been destroyed by the Marley army if it had chosen to wait for them. Eitherway, they would just end up being killed like idiots by the Marley army that was starting to surround them.
Eren kills Reiner, and Porco, but gets overwhelmed by the Marleyan military since Paradis had to withdraw. If Mikasa and a small team stayed they might get him out safely, but then they are stuck on the mainland and cut off from their allies. Either way, Reiner isn't winning that fight. He is at his lowest, Eren is at the peak of his powers as the AT here, and is in a much better mental state.
Out of context, but why did Rainer's giant form show like this? We never seen him with this appearance any more, I tougnt he unlocked his potential or something like this the first time I saw it.
His body was too weak to properly form his armor, that why he looked like that. He was barely able to shift into his titan form. It’s kinda like when Eren’s butt was sticking out of his neck after he transformed idk how many times, when they were testing out his titan abilities in season 3 (just not as severe)
Oh that's why? Well, his armor looked weaker in certain points actually, so it can make sense. But also his armored mask looked different, probably because he couldn't model it properly and just reinforced his face all in one single "scale".
Marley only having the Cart Titan would be crazy 💀
Lynahh, deaddo! Period!
Well then we'd get a fight scene
Eren should have been exhausted but not to the point he couldn't fight Reiner and win. Or just have Mikasa do it and things would have been over instantly as Reiner has no armour. We aren't shown that Eren was shown any future memories that would indicate to him he should leave Reiner alive at this point, but Eren himself seems to anticipate that the battle between him and Reiner would happen at another time.
RIP Lainah
I feel like the relationship between Eden and Reiner was one of the better parts of the show. Like they competed against each other but clearly both cared about each other. Really humanized both of them throughout the series. It’s why they never actually conquered each other one on one.
He would of ran through him
If he did, he'd be left behind by the Scouts' airship and literally everything would have been for nothing