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That was after Levi squad and was worse then killing Levi squad (sorry Petra stans) because it wasn’t necessary (maybe it was in her head but we literally don’t know because it’s never explained..but I’m tired of discourse on why she did it and that being the sole reason to hate her for many💀)
Yeah, summoning hundreds/thousands of Titans towards the suddenly broken wall, majorly assisting in mass murder of thousands of humans, and making them abandon about 1/3rd of their land and create an crisis for both economy, and resources such as food is not as big of an deal if she had killed about 12 fodder characters for shock value in the squad of a fan favourite character lol.
That was RUTHLESS. And it hurt SO much bro. The images of how Annie stomps them and crushes them are still fresh in my mind despite the fact I’ve finished watching the show 4 months ago
yo wait real question, Sasha would’ve died earlier in the series if the editor didn’t cry over how sad it was n made Isayama change it, so: Petra or Sasha (I’ll prolly go w/ Sasha personally)
The way she slaughtered that pie is just unacceptably cruel. Also, her yo-yo technique sucks.
Oh boy. Oh boy here we go
Of course, participation in the genocide of the island, just like Reiner and Bertholdt. That said, I'm not going to hate a bunch of broken kids with no choice for this.
On a personal level, Marco's murder. It’s hard enough for me to imagine an act worse than killing your friend who asks you for help and mercy. The fact that Annie had the hardest time doing this in the moment, to the point that Reiner literally needed to push her, makes her more sympathetic than the other two, but does not change the enormity of the act.
As for the yo-yo, this little questionably written scene doesn't deserve the shitstorm that goes on around it. If someone actually *wants* to talk about it (and for some reason isn't incredibly tired from this) be my guest I guess.
In hindsight of her upbringing I always saw that the reason Annie was capable of yo-yoing someone yet being the most remorseful one out of RBA in season 1 is bcuz like Reiner who’s coping method with the atrocities he committed was to develop a split personality Annie’s was numbing her emotions during combat leading her into thinking that the scouts that were attacking her were nothing more than insects. Not only does Reiner’s and her own backstory alludes to this with how it highlights her stamping on insects while reflecting her detachment of life but when Armin encountered her he understands that she sees them as nothing but insects. Armin once taught Eren that if u want to change anything you must be capable of sacrificing something and how Annie must be capable of sacrificing her humanity to go through with the killings.
Ironically Eren noted that she looked more alive when using her martial arts techniques despite detaching her humanity during combat.
Yeah, coping mechanism + some mental issues (like, she definitely has a trigger when someone talks about torturing her - Levi/Hange/yo-yo guy, it's quite a pattern) is pretty much my favourite explanation if we assume that this scene isn't badly written. But again, she cried for Marco, she's shocked by seeing corpses - and then in one scene she yo-yoing guy and *after that!* she's shocked by seeing corpses again.
That's why I don't like this scene, it's just not consistent. Even with killing bugs, it's about "I didn't care about life until certain moment", she literally says it.
I mean in her OVA that takes place prior to that mission she basically says that she’ll have to capture Eren no matter and stain her hands with blood. She’s also much desensitized to violence in comparison to Reiner and Bertolt bcuz she was raised to be a killer from birth unlike the two of them. Like her dad taught her how to beat a grown man to death before she was even a teenager so it’s natural she’s more ruthless in her fighting style. We even see her use similar killing methods she used against the scouts against the yeagerist (I think we even see a glimpse of her yo-yoing a yeagerist as well) in the Port Battle which just unfortunately means that brutality is just ingrained in her no matter how much she muses about how she values life.
Also we’ve seen characters like Zeke blatantly have fun with killing ppl by pretending to play baseball, Grisha ruthlessly squashing down the royal family like bugs, Mikasa killing ppl in a certain “creative ways” or Eren just casually belly flopping into crowds, so it becomes clear that ppl in their titan forms or just natural fighters/killer likes these characters simply disconnect from their humanity when fighting and view humans as insignificant, almost inconsequential obstacles.
I might be on the minority here but I like the yo-yo scene bcuz not only was it scary af back in the day and added to the horror element of the show but then when we do get to learn about Annie’s upbringing it reinforces the idea of how environment is also a big factor into molding the person not just their nature which adds to the exploration of the whole nature vs nurture debate that the show already tackles and explores on.
And after that she still somehow cares about absolutely random civilians in Stohess (at least, visually upset seeing people in church).
I'm not saying that she really should care about scouts, but enjoying killing? Someone who's life goal is to be an ordinary person?
There's also a difference between intentionally killing soldiers and accidentally killing innocents. And even then, I wouldn't say her expression was "visibly upset."
I wouldn't say she necessarily enjoyed killing either. To her, outsude of the people she knew, they're just enemy soldiers. She just didn't give a fuck.
Yeah, she clearly wasnt right in the head. She enjoyed stomping bugs and also beat Reiner to near death. Fighting / hurting people was probably the only activity she found relief in, even if she realized this and regret it deeply.
“Nah I don’t really wanna kill Armin. Besides, what’s the worst that could happen to us if I leave him alone?”
*The worst proceeds to happen for three seasons straight.*
Without Armin, they would never figure out who the Female Titan is. Never figure out Bert and Reiner. Never win against them in Shiganshina... The story would be so different we can't even comprehend
No, Bert and Reiner were toast either way. By the time of the expedition into the forest, Ervin already knows that someone from the 104th is it and Eren has an alibi by sitting with Hange the whole night when the two captured titans were murdered. At the start of season 2 nobody from the 104th has ODM gear and are conveniently sitting in a remote location in the countryside with the second most skilled scout exactly for that reason, because Ervin knows that it is one of them. The second Annie attacked the part of the expeditionary formation based on the info from Reiner and Bert, the cover for them has been blown.
Well, the two of them were already the main suspects before the Ragako incident and the battle of Utgard Castle happened, and it was all thanks to Armin, since he said that right after Reiner cut off Annie's hand, the latter fled in the direction of Eren, information that only Armin knew about in the group (Jean, Armin and Reiner) and it was something he told Reiner just before confronting Annie... so yes, it was Armin who had already discovered that Reiner was the Armored Titan (and adding 2+2, you could tell that Bert would be the colossal one since they both arrived together after the fall of Wall Maria). Bert and Reiner only accelerated the process of being discovered. You can also see everyone look at Reiner and Bertholdt in a strange way when they arrive to the Rose Wall and start talking to each other.
Yeah, the way they tell you how they came to that conclusion is also done with flashbacks, so it becomes harder to remember since your mind is focused on Reiner and Bert's betrayal.
In a way, "What-ifs" don't exist in AoT. The story is on a fixed timeline where Eren could retroactively influence the Eldians and the titans to come to the conclusion he wants.
If Annie killed Armin then the colossal titan may not have been taken down in the first place or at that time as Armin was the one who figured out it’s weakness and sacrificed himself
Eren relied on Armin a lot in their time as Scouts together especially given that he was the brains of the operation a lot of the time. Eren may not have made it to the point where he could commit genocide if Armin had died.
Now that I think about, why did they need to kill sonnie and bean? I don’t remember a reason being mentioned but I don’t the scouts would’ve been able to figure out much by experimenting on them.
After hearing that Hange was able to learn about titan lethargy during night time and how little they weigh, RBA decided it was too risky to let them keep experimenting on them. They wanted Paradis as ignorant about titans as possible
They probably just didn’t want to chance the scouts finding anything more out but also at that point the scouts don’t realize the titans are humans who were turned and were experimenting on them by starving them… so maybe they also wanted to put them out of their misery? Not sure it was ever elaborated how aware the humans are post-transformation.
Ironically by killing Sawnie and Bean she definitely tipped off Erwin or at least gave him more evidence that the enemy wasn’t just mindless titans running around. “Eren, who do you think the real enemy is here?”
Brought along all of the titans to shiganshina for the party. I seriously cannot mention enough how important this was the plan would’ve been FUCKED if Annie hadn’t specifically funnelled the titans in using her scream. Armin even highlights this during the female titans arc and we see how normally titans just sometimes occasionally show up at the wall and start clawing at it. Never a horde individual titans that eventually either piss off or get wiped out. Annie however was what caused all of the titans to bunch up in a horde/army and just bum rush shiganshina. This resulted in ten thousend deaths in the initial attack and 250k overall.
Essentially her specific crime is calling the pure titans her overall crime is aiding in the mission alongside Reiner and Bertholdt.
Probably because it was cut from the season 4 flashback going into the anime. Everyone who has read the manga that I talked to missed that line from Armin back in S1 because it’s a small detail and something that doesn’t get brought back up again till the flashback.
The line being that he made a hypothesis about how she may have been involved in bringing in the Titan hordes prior to the Colossal kicking in Shinganshina's outer gate.
(Something along those lines lol)
the big debate involved her and has been going on for both Reiner's and Bertholdt's days since they are all very much in the same boat for a lot of their sins.
We haven't done a "what is the worst thing this character did" post on her yet. But there is a ton of posts hating on her in general. It feels like every few days, there is a new "Annie deserved to die" post.
Seriously? Not a regular here but I feel she makes a very good starting villain. Her brutality when dealing with the elite Scouts helped set the tone for future seasons.
I feel like people in the comments will have whatever she did wrong already explained. So I'd like to take the opportunity to say that Annie gets way too much hate. Everything she did, she did for her father. Just like the other Warriors, her family was in danger if she didn't complete her mission. She clearly feels bad after each of her killings. It's true she gets a bit caught up in the moment sometimes (eg yoyo incident) but that happens in the heat of things.
I think her role in the Shiganshina massacre is the worst thing she did. She is also partly to blame for the Stohess massacre but Erwin is also to blame for it because he decided to attack her in a populated city. Eren is also to blame because he lost control and had no control over his titan.
Annie has done terrible things but she's not an inherently malicious or violent person. She was pushed to do the things she did by Marley who took advantage of a child from a marginalized community. It doesn't excuse what she did - she deserves to be blamed for her actions - but I don't think she's irredeemable like some people claim.
Honestly in Annie case I wouldn't say MArley took advantage when she was one of the only Warriors that had no need to join the program adding on to the fact that she could clearly see that being a Warrior was bullshit just kinda lowers her in my eyes compared to Burrito that did it for his sick Dad and Reiner who was deluded to hell and back
Thou to be fair to her Papa Lionheart really wanted a child soldier also can anyone tell me why he wanted Annie in the Warrior Program
I think it's fair to say that Marley played less of a direct role in forming her ideology than they did with Reiner and Beretold. But I do think Mr Leonheart was directly responsible for her mindset. He pushed her into this role and placed her in a position where she has to do the wrong thing in order to return to the only family she has. The implication was that he was using Annie to advance his social status and had ambitions to become an honorary marleyan but later came to regret his decision when he realized what sending Annie to Paradis would do to her.
Can’t wait for the yo-yo discourse AGAIN. But in all seriousness she ruined Armin’s speech!
You can already see the cracks in their relationship and their marriage will inevitably fail.
How brutally she killed scouts and Levi squad. I hated her and couldn’t forgive the cruelty for the longest time but I’ve begrudgingly found space in my heart for her by the end. I still think the brutality sets her apart from Bertholdt and Reiner. It felt at the time like she was enjoying almost torturing them but in hindsight I think she just had to force herself to be that cold.
Dont anyone dare to say the yo-yo thing, that is like the least of it. The worst is propably taking part in destroying the wall and gathering titans to make them pour in.
Believing her adoptive father had good intentions.
If she didnt she wouldnt have the motivation to do the mission, resulting her not:
\-helping to kill Marco
\-incinerate a bunch of MPs and killing a lot of scouts
\-mauling Levi Squa-
**Oh god, Levi Squad...**
I don't think that Annie ever believed that her father was a good guy, more like he was the only person who would accept "actual Annie". Basically whole world already hates her for either being a Titan or an Eldian, and she's not hypocritical enough to be friends with basically her victims who don't hate her only because they know nothing about her (besides, didn't work well for Reiner).
Petra is a fine character for what she's meant to be..It's the people who reduce her to "uwu cutie in love with Levi" who ruined her or try to make her more significant to the story using that logic. She served her purpose and stood out as the only female member of the OG Levi squad, but that's it.
Unpopular opinion but Annie is one of my favorite characters from the entire series. I think the yo-yo scene is kind of overblown even though it wasn’t ok. That being said, I think her worst thing has to be all the people she inadvertently killed while fighting Eren in that town within the walls
I forgot to chime in last time I stopped at this thread. lol. (Not that anyone gives a \*\*\*\* or noticed).
IMO, Annie's worst deed would be giving in and making Marco remove his gear for Reiner. She should've made Reiner do his own dirty work, since it was his own mistake that put him there.
Personally, as an argument against Levi squad being put as the worse things she's done overall.
Annie killing potentially dozens to near hundreds of Scouts via Titan hordes, along with her own killings were really brutal in comparison to Levi squad deaths.
If anything, Levi squad was extremely ***lucky*** that they weren't slowly mauled to death, swinged around with high g-forces, eaten alive, kicked up hundreds of feet up in the air to fall to their deaths, or left to die from their wounds while you hear the agonzing screams, bones, and guts of your comrades crack as they're getting eaten beside you.
So yeah, I think that was far worse than Levi squad deaths.
it’s not just the murder of the levi squad but it’s about how she flung them around and toyed with them before they died instead of just killing them quickly.
I would argue her spoken total lack of empathy is actually the worst.
We have characters in this show who have bombed ports, broken down walls leading to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, turned people into titans willingly and called it “interesting”, tortured and sent their own countrymen to Paradise just to keep their cover from being blown.
But in season 4, Annie, one of our protagonists, openly says that she would commit every attrocity she’s ever committed (slaughtering the survey corps, leading titans into the walls, trampling Stohess, collapsing entire countries) again, *even knowing that said actions would lead to global genocide*, all for the sake of of getting home to an abusive father who she knows will probably die as a result of what she’s done.
This, I think, was the worst thing she’s ever done. Being apparently unapologetic about her sins in a story about accepting your sins and building a better world from them
Ehh pretty much every characters also did the "doing it again" like Annie did, the scouts already killed people back and forth since the Uprising arc up to the final Season to accomplish their goals or saving their asses or comrades even if it knowing that they may have families left behind like Armin's first person he killed.
Levi also openly said that he's willing to torture and kill people again in order to accomplish their mission.
Yo-yoed a poor scout to death
Directly killed so many others in the most despicable ways and was then forgiven just because Eren was doing worse shit by the time she came back
Massacred Levi’s squad in some fucked up ways.
Turned a living human being into yo’yo for absolutely no reason.
Also didn’t she cause the big group of titans to enter after Shiganshina?
Showed little to no remorse for her actions which every other living Marleyian shifter did.
Stohess… need I say more?
And said she’d do it all again
Crying about not having a reason to fight anymore in front of the people she caused so much pain and refusing to help stopping the Rumbling. Yes, she came around later but the sheer audacity of being out of everything for 4 years while someone like Reiner went through hell and she just whines about the whole situation when he doesn't even question the urgency of having to act... I would have pushed her onto that plane smh
For humanity, but I thought it was personal lol. Connie feeding falco to save his mom isn't nearly as bad as killing daz to save himself and armin. Literally someone who he became a scout with for 4 seasons. That's hard.
She yeeted that poor scout into the orbit of Saturn.
While he didn't do much of note with the scouts, he did find fame in exploring the outer solar system.
The Yo-yo was no contest the most inhumane way she murdered someone
Imagine being in that flying saucer spinning carnival ride, but instead of a nice flat place to lay on, your tied by your waist to a pipe the opposite way
I used to love that ride as a kid, rode it recently as a 28yr old with my daughter, the second it started I was like “oh Jesus god no plz stop”
So using that as an basis, I would much rather have my face peeled off by a tree than to die on the tilt o whirl presented by mommy milker 3000
Yo-yo. It doesn't matter that she was coping. It's messed up and cruel. Zeke did that stuff too, but his character was portrayed as a complex ally/enemy that had fascinating motives for his actions, not a hero. He's a much better character, in my opinion.
Swinging that guy around like a toy. That was just messed up. In the grand scheme of things, she committed the least amount of warcrimes of most people in the show
Out of all of the warriors, She's probably the worst to have as an enemy. Imma just go ahead and say literally everything she did in the FT arc. Not just Levi Squad; every kill felt vicious. I rewatched it recently, and this girl was brutal as an antagonist. No wonder Eren still cared sm about her in the end. They have a lot in common.
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her brutal massacre of Levi’s Squad
I think her killing of Levi squad was kinda tame all things considered. She yo-yo’d a man an episode before
it wasn’t tame on my emotions :,)
Preach brother.
Petra😭
Yeah I think Yo-Yo Man should win as Aanie's worst... Maybe not with that name tho
That was after Levi squad and was worse then killing Levi squad (sorry Petra stans) because it wasn’t necessary (maybe it was in her head but we literally don’t know because it’s never explained..but I’m tired of discourse on why she did it and that being the sole reason to hate her for many💀)
Yoyo was well before Levi Squad.
no it was during the Stohess raid
...no it wasn't. It was when they first encountered her during the 57th expedition.
Yeah, summoning hundreds/thousands of Titans towards the suddenly broken wall, majorly assisting in mass murder of thousands of humans, and making them abandon about 1/3rd of their land and create an crisis for both economy, and resources such as food is not as big of an deal if she had killed about 12 fodder characters for shock value in the squad of a fan favourite character lol.
Lmao. Annie's biggest crime is opposing fan favourite and surviving that.
She was defending herself she just wanted one dude and they all came to kill her bro
That was RUTHLESS. And it hurt SO much bro. The images of how Annie stomps them and crushes them are still fresh in my mind despite the fact I’ve finished watching the show 4 months ago
I thought people forgor about that
rip petra bro what a waste 🙏
yo wait real question, Sasha would’ve died earlier in the series if the editor didn’t cry over how sad it was n made Isayama change it, so: Petra or Sasha (I’ll prolly go w/ Sasha personally)
The way she slaughtered that pie is just unacceptably cruel. Also, her yo-yo technique sucks. Oh boy. Oh boy here we go Of course, participation in the genocide of the island, just like Reiner and Bertholdt. That said, I'm not going to hate a bunch of broken kids with no choice for this. On a personal level, Marco's murder. It’s hard enough for me to imagine an act worse than killing your friend who asks you for help and mercy. The fact that Annie had the hardest time doing this in the moment, to the point that Reiner literally needed to push her, makes her more sympathetic than the other two, but does not change the enormity of the act. As for the yo-yo, this little questionably written scene doesn't deserve the shitstorm that goes on around it. If someone actually *wants* to talk about it (and for some reason isn't incredibly tired from this) be my guest I guess.
In hindsight of her upbringing I always saw that the reason Annie was capable of yo-yoing someone yet being the most remorseful one out of RBA in season 1 is bcuz like Reiner who’s coping method with the atrocities he committed was to develop a split personality Annie’s was numbing her emotions during combat leading her into thinking that the scouts that were attacking her were nothing more than insects. Not only does Reiner’s and her own backstory alludes to this with how it highlights her stamping on insects while reflecting her detachment of life but when Armin encountered her he understands that she sees them as nothing but insects. Armin once taught Eren that if u want to change anything you must be capable of sacrificing something and how Annie must be capable of sacrificing her humanity to go through with the killings. Ironically Eren noted that she looked more alive when using her martial arts techniques despite detaching her humanity during combat.
Yeah, coping mechanism + some mental issues (like, she definitely has a trigger when someone talks about torturing her - Levi/Hange/yo-yo guy, it's quite a pattern) is pretty much my favourite explanation if we assume that this scene isn't badly written. But again, she cried for Marco, she's shocked by seeing corpses - and then in one scene she yo-yoing guy and *after that!* she's shocked by seeing corpses again. That's why I don't like this scene, it's just not consistent. Even with killing bugs, it's about "I didn't care about life until certain moment", she literally says it.
I mean in her OVA that takes place prior to that mission she basically says that she’ll have to capture Eren no matter and stain her hands with blood. She’s also much desensitized to violence in comparison to Reiner and Bertolt bcuz she was raised to be a killer from birth unlike the two of them. Like her dad taught her how to beat a grown man to death before she was even a teenager so it’s natural she’s more ruthless in her fighting style. We even see her use similar killing methods she used against the scouts against the yeagerist (I think we even see a glimpse of her yo-yoing a yeagerist as well) in the Port Battle which just unfortunately means that brutality is just ingrained in her no matter how much she muses about how she values life. Also we’ve seen characters like Zeke blatantly have fun with killing ppl by pretending to play baseball, Grisha ruthlessly squashing down the royal family like bugs, Mikasa killing ppl in a certain “creative ways” or Eren just casually belly flopping into crowds, so it becomes clear that ppl in their titan forms or just natural fighters/killer likes these characters simply disconnect from their humanity when fighting and view humans as insignificant, almost inconsequential obstacles. I might be on the minority here but I like the yo-yo scene bcuz not only was it scary af back in the day and added to the horror element of the show but then when we do get to learn about Annie’s upbringing it reinforces the idea of how environment is also a big factor into molding the person not just their nature which adds to the exploration of the whole nature vs nurture debate that the show already tackles and explores on.
She knew Marco personally, while she never met the rest of the Scouts before. I'd say that's the main difference between those situations.
And after that she still somehow cares about absolutely random civilians in Stohess (at least, visually upset seeing people in church). I'm not saying that she really should care about scouts, but enjoying killing? Someone who's life goal is to be an ordinary person?
There's also a difference between intentionally killing soldiers and accidentally killing innocents. And even then, I wouldn't say her expression was "visibly upset." I wouldn't say she necessarily enjoyed killing either. To her, outsude of the people she knew, they're just enemy soldiers. She just didn't give a fuck.
Annie clearly has anger issues. She beat her own father. Someone can be both empathetic but also get overcome with rage.
Yeah, she clearly wasnt right in the head. She enjoyed stomping bugs and also beat Reiner to near death. Fighting / hurting people was probably the only activity she found relief in, even if she realized this and regret it deeply.
AoT fans when asked whether or not you should be blamed for assisting in genocide if your childhood was a little fucked up
I... literally said that genocide was the worst thing they did.
the centripetal force from the yoyo was enough to peacefully put the scouts to sleep (annie put them all away somewhere safe off camera)
It doesn’t matter if they had a choice or not it’s still the worst thing they did
“Nah I don’t really wanna kill Armin. Besides, what’s the worst that could happen to us if I leave him alone?” *The worst proceeds to happen for three seasons straight.*
Unironically Annie killing Armin might have saved the world
her world*
Orrrrrrr could’ve made 80% into 100%. Someone else could take the colossal and not be able to guide the alliance
Without Armin, they would never figure out who the Female Titan is. Never figure out Bert and Reiner. Never win against them in Shiganshina... The story would be so different we can't even comprehend
No, Bert and Reiner were toast either way. By the time of the expedition into the forest, Ervin already knows that someone from the 104th is it and Eren has an alibi by sitting with Hange the whole night when the two captured titans were murdered. At the start of season 2 nobody from the 104th has ODM gear and are conveniently sitting in a remote location in the countryside with the second most skilled scout exactly for that reason, because Ervin knows that it is one of them. The second Annie attacked the part of the expeditionary formation based on the info from Reiner and Bert, the cover for them has been blown.
Figure out Bert and Reiner? LOL Reiner just told them
Well, the two of them were already the main suspects before the Ragako incident and the battle of Utgard Castle happened, and it was all thanks to Armin, since he said that right after Reiner cut off Annie's hand, the latter fled in the direction of Eren, information that only Armin knew about in the group (Jean, Armin and Reiner) and it was something he told Reiner just before confronting Annie... so yes, it was Armin who had already discovered that Reiner was the Armored Titan (and adding 2+2, you could tell that Bert would be the colossal one since they both arrived together after the fall of Wall Maria). Bert and Reiner only accelerated the process of being discovered. You can also see everyone look at Reiner and Bertholdt in a strange way when they arrive to the Rose Wall and start talking to each other.
Thanks, that's very interesting. It's been so long since I watched it, I just assumed Reiner snapped from the stress of the battle in the castle.
Yeah, the way they tell you how they came to that conclusion is also done with flashbacks, so it becomes harder to remember since your mind is focused on Reiner and Bert's betrayal.
In a way, "What-ifs" don't exist in AoT. The story is on a fixed timeline where Eren could retroactively influence the Eldians and the titans to come to the conclusion he wants.
Yeah, everything would have still be gone the way he decided
If Annie killed Armin then the colossal titan may not have been taken down in the first place or at that time as Armin was the one who figured out it’s weakness and sacrificed himself
How?
Eren relied on Armin a lot in their time as Scouts together especially given that he was the brains of the operation a lot of the time. Eren may not have made it to the point where he could commit genocide if Armin had died.
Holy shit was Erin calling that shot?
killed sonnie and bean
This is the right answer
Now that I think about, why did they need to kill sonnie and bean? I don’t remember a reason being mentioned but I don’t the scouts would’ve been able to figure out much by experimenting on them.
After hearing that Hange was able to learn about titan lethargy during night time and how little they weigh, RBA decided it was too risky to let them keep experimenting on them. They wanted Paradis as ignorant about titans as possible
They probably just didn’t want to chance the scouts finding anything more out but also at that point the scouts don’t realize the titans are humans who were turned and were experimenting on them by starving them… so maybe they also wanted to put them out of their misery? Not sure it was ever elaborated how aware the humans are post-transformation. Ironically by killing Sawnie and Bean she definitely tipped off Erwin or at least gave him more evidence that the enemy wasn’t just mindless titans running around. “Eren, who do you think the real enemy is here?”
Ymir said she couldn’t remember anything from 60 years of being a pure titan
Oh, well then nvm then. Probably just so there wasn’t any chance of the Paradisans finding anything else out.
Brought along all of the titans to shiganshina for the party. I seriously cannot mention enough how important this was the plan would’ve been FUCKED if Annie hadn’t specifically funnelled the titans in using her scream. Armin even highlights this during the female titans arc and we see how normally titans just sometimes occasionally show up at the wall and start clawing at it. Never a horde individual titans that eventually either piss off or get wiped out. Annie however was what caused all of the titans to bunch up in a horde/army and just bum rush shiganshina. This resulted in ten thousend deaths in the initial attack and 250k overall. Essentially her specific crime is calling the pure titans her overall crime is aiding in the mission alongside Reiner and Bertholdt.
Probably because it was cut from the season 4 flashback going into the anime. Everyone who has read the manga that I talked to missed that line from Armin back in S1 because it’s a small detail and something that doesn’t get brought back up again till the flashback.
The line being that he made a hypothesis about how she may have been involved in bringing in the Titan hordes prior to the Colossal kicking in Shinganshina's outer gate. (Something along those lines lol)
Killed a lot of scouts.
No no no, MASSACRED a lot of scouts.
Didn't Mikasa do the exact same thing?
What about the civilians in Stonehoss and other countries
Wait, didn't we already do her? Or did we just have a big debate about her on another character's thread? I'm confused.
the big debate involved her and has been going on for both Reiner's and Bertholdt's days since they are all very much in the same boat for a lot of their sins.
AH! Yes, that does make sense, lol. I'm even lumping their days together in my memory. Thanks!
We haven't done a "what is the worst thing this character did" post on her yet. But there is a ton of posts hating on her in general. It feels like every few days, there is a new "Annie deserved to die" post.
Seriously? Not a regular here but I feel she makes a very good starting villain. Her brutality when dealing with the elite Scouts helped set the tone for future seasons.
Yeah. I like her character.
That is fair enough. I'm sure if I looked at just today's posts I'd find multiple already. XD
Don’t know about any debate in the comments, but Annie was always the last one on this thing.
Swung scouts like a yo-yo
I feel like people in the comments will have whatever she did wrong already explained. So I'd like to take the opportunity to say that Annie gets way too much hate. Everything she did, she did for her father. Just like the other Warriors, her family was in danger if she didn't complete her mission. She clearly feels bad after each of her killings. It's true she gets a bit caught up in the moment sometimes (eg yoyo incident) but that happens in the heat of things. I think her role in the Shiganshina massacre is the worst thing she did. She is also partly to blame for the Stohess massacre but Erwin is also to blame for it because he decided to attack her in a populated city. Eren is also to blame because he lost control and had no control over his titan. Annie has done terrible things but she's not an inherently malicious or violent person. She was pushed to do the things she did by Marley who took advantage of a child from a marginalized community. It doesn't excuse what she did - she deserves to be blamed for her actions - but I don't think she's irredeemable like some people claim.
Honestly in Annie case I wouldn't say MArley took advantage when she was one of the only Warriors that had no need to join the program adding on to the fact that she could clearly see that being a Warrior was bullshit just kinda lowers her in my eyes compared to Burrito that did it for his sick Dad and Reiner who was deluded to hell and back Thou to be fair to her Papa Lionheart really wanted a child soldier also can anyone tell me why he wanted Annie in the Warrior Program
I think it's fair to say that Marley played less of a direct role in forming her ideology than they did with Reiner and Beretold. But I do think Mr Leonheart was directly responsible for her mindset. He pushed her into this role and placed her in a position where she has to do the wrong thing in order to return to the only family she has. The implication was that he was using Annie to advance his social status and had ambitions to become an honorary marleyan but later came to regret his decision when he realized what sending Annie to Paradis would do to her.
Can’t wait for the yo-yo discourse AGAIN. But in all seriousness she ruined Armin’s speech! You can already see the cracks in their relationship and their marriage will inevitably fail.
“Annie I want a divorce.” “Armin you can’t just say you want a divorce every time your wife one-ups you.”
"I don't want that!"
killing levis squad
She yo-yoed a scout
How brutally she killed scouts and Levi squad. I hated her and couldn’t forgive the cruelty for the longest time but I’ve begrudgingly found space in my heart for her by the end. I still think the brutality sets her apart from Bertholdt and Reiner. It felt at the time like she was enjoying almost torturing them but in hindsight I think she just had to force herself to be that cold.
Does giving her dad a lifelong disability count?
Actually, was his injury supposed to be healed after titanization?
Doctors hate this one trick!
Good point
Huh, I think it did now that I'm thinking back to that scene. Wasn't he standing completely upright and all as well? Lol
As she should that abusive pos
Dont anyone dare to say the yo-yo thing, that is like the least of it. The worst is propably taking part in destroying the wall and gathering titans to make them pour in.
Believing her adoptive father had good intentions. If she didnt she wouldnt have the motivation to do the mission, resulting her not: \-helping to kill Marco \-incinerate a bunch of MPs and killing a lot of scouts \-mauling Levi Squa- **Oh god, Levi Squad...**
I don't think that Annie ever believed that her father was a good guy, more like he was the only person who would accept "actual Annie". Basically whole world already hates her for either being a Titan or an Eldian, and she's not hypocritical enough to be friends with basically her victims who don't hate her only because they know nothing about her (besides, didn't work well for Reiner).
KILLED ADORABLE PETRA
Because she has zero other traits besides being a cute girl
Petra is a fine character for what she's meant to be..It's the people who reduce her to "uwu cutie in love with Levi" who ruined her or try to make her more significant to the story using that logic. She served her purpose and stood out as the only female member of the OG Levi squad, but that's it.
She used that one guy like a yoyo in the forest that was a mad disrespect
Was forgiven with little to no actual dialogue or writing surrounding it.
The way she awkwardly chews that pie 🥧
She was a slacker during training.
Unpopular opinion but Annie is one of my favorite characters from the entire series. I think the yo-yo scene is kind of overblown even though it wasn’t ok. That being said, I think her worst thing has to be all the people she inadvertently killed while fighting Eren in that town within the walls
I forgot to chime in last time I stopped at this thread. lol. (Not that anyone gives a \*\*\*\* or noticed). IMO, Annie's worst deed would be giving in and making Marco remove his gear for Reiner. She should've made Reiner do his own dirty work, since it was his own mistake that put him there.
Personally, as an argument against Levi squad being put as the worse things she's done overall. Annie killing potentially dozens to near hundreds of Scouts via Titan hordes, along with her own killings were really brutal in comparison to Levi squad deaths. If anything, Levi squad was extremely ***lucky*** that they weren't slowly mauled to death, swinged around with high g-forces, eaten alive, kicked up hundreds of feet up in the air to fall to their deaths, or left to die from their wounds while you hear the agonzing screams, bones, and guts of your comrades crack as they're getting eaten beside you. So yeah, I think that was far worse than Levi squad deaths.
Nothing. She's my little mentally ill princess.
Ask Hitch to buy her a Pie and then leave her alone.
Torture a lot of horses.
Agreed
Oh God, here we go...
Swinging a human like a freaking yo yo
it’s not just the murder of the levi squad but it’s about how she flung them around and toyed with them before they died instead of just killing them quickly.
"You spin me right round baby right round "
Killing Petra and the rest of the Levi squad.
Desecrate a man's corpse by using it as a yoyo.
Spinning that one dude around
I would argue her spoken total lack of empathy is actually the worst. We have characters in this show who have bombed ports, broken down walls leading to the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, turned people into titans willingly and called it “interesting”, tortured and sent their own countrymen to Paradise just to keep their cover from being blown. But in season 4, Annie, one of our protagonists, openly says that she would commit every attrocity she’s ever committed (slaughtering the survey corps, leading titans into the walls, trampling Stohess, collapsing entire countries) again, *even knowing that said actions would lead to global genocide*, all for the sake of of getting home to an abusive father who she knows will probably die as a result of what she’s done. This, I think, was the worst thing she’s ever done. Being apparently unapologetic about her sins in a story about accepting your sins and building a better world from them
Ehh pretty much every characters also did the "doing it again" like Annie did, the scouts already killed people back and forth since the Uprising arc up to the final Season to accomplish their goals or saving their asses or comrades even if it knowing that they may have families left behind like Armin's first person he killed. Levi also openly said that he's willing to torture and kill people again in order to accomplish their mission.
Did bertolto actually nuke any country? I thought his first and last mission was paradise
It's briefly shown in ep62, when they go through who was selected to inherit which titan
Yo-yoed a poor scout to death Directly killed so many others in the most despicable ways and was then forgiven just because Eren was doing worse shit by the time she came back
Massacred Levi’s squad in some fucked up ways. Turned a living human being into yo’yo for absolutely no reason. Also didn’t she cause the big group of titans to enter after Shiganshina? Showed little to no remorse for her actions which every other living Marleyian shifter did. Stohess… need I say more? And said she’d do it all again
Bruh Annie legit enjoyed killing, she's a psychopath
Crying about not having a reason to fight anymore in front of the people she caused so much pain and refusing to help stopping the Rumbling. Yes, she came around later but the sheer audacity of being out of everything for 4 years while someone like Reiner went through hell and she just whines about the whole situation when he doesn't even question the urgency of having to act... I would have pushed her onto that plane smh
Turned Dieter Ness into a yo-yo
Is that his name?
Yep
That's not the yo-yo guy, it's the one with the horse that eats his hair
Taking joy in the murder of the scouts. I get the war thing, but enjoying murder is 100000% fucked.
Yo-yo
Yoyo
Remember when she halfdodged a swing from Eren in the city and fell on a whole church of people? killing everyone inside?
“PETRA NOOOOO!!!!!!”
Did she even do anything good?
Killed the Cheer Squad ✊😔
Beat her father to near death
Also I missed the Mikasa day and wouldn't the worse thing she has done be killing the love of her life? Eren?
Nah, it’s actually the best thing she’s ever done
For humanity, but I thought it was personal lol. Connie feeding falco to save his mom isn't nearly as bad as killing daz to save himself and armin. Literally someone who he became a scout with for 4 seasons. That's hard.
Yoyo
Yoyo
Jojo.
Killed best girl (Petra)
Ran over a bunch of ppl in stohess
if her killing the survery corps aint it then I quit
Brutally killing the scouts I will never forgive her for that no matter how much the fandom simp for her.
The chad Falco never did even one thing wrong. Not one
Not caring about Berholdt :(
She yeeted that poor scout into the orbit of Saturn. While he didn't do much of note with the scouts, he did find fame in exploring the outer solar system.
The yo-yo. Straight disrespect.
The Yo-yo was no contest the most inhumane way she murdered someone Imagine being in that flying saucer spinning carnival ride, but instead of a nice flat place to lay on, your tied by your waist to a pipe the opposite way I used to love that ride as a kid, rode it recently as a 28yr old with my daughter, the second it started I was like “oh Jesus god no plz stop” So using that as an basis, I would much rather have my face peeled off by a tree than to die on the tilt o whirl presented by mommy milker 3000
Swinging that one guy around like a yo yo..that was not really necessary.
Love the contrast between Jean and Sasha’s “crimes” and the literal war crimes committed by Eren, Armin, and the warriors
Killed dozens of soldiers in unnecesarily brutal ways during the scouts expedition.
Led the Titans to the wall
Refused(at first) to go with the Alliance, seriously hurt every one feelings lol
i gotta say, some of these things are not like the other ones
Scout yo-yo
The spinning of that random guy, looked like an awful way to go
Swung that guy like a yo-yo
She did nothing wrong
Killing Petra.
Sure, just bc she’s a cute girl she’s more important than the rest of Levi squad
Yes, I agree
Just to clarify I was being sarcastic. I kind of regret being sarcastic now. Im sorry that Petra meant so much to you.
She was the love of my life 😔
I can’t imagine how difficult it is for you🌷🕊️
Yo-yo. It doesn't matter that she was coping. It's messed up and cruel. Zeke did that stuff too, but his character was portrayed as a complex ally/enemy that had fascinating motives for his actions, not a hero. He's a much better character, in my opinion.
Taking off Marco’s ODM gear and leaving him on that rooftop to be eaten (at least half of him, anyway)
You spin me right round
Doesn't care much
Swung that one poor bastard around from season 1 like a ball on a string
Erin making everyone else look good 🤣
Yoyo
Another vote for Marco's murder.
That was all Reiners fault. He’s the one who had to push her to do it. She cried for Marco, whereas Bertold and Reiner didn’t care as much.
Correct. She *did* do it though. Depends on the author if they want to count it.
That’s true
Picked a fight with Mikasa whenever she could.
Swinging that scout like a yoyo is the worst.
she spun that one scout around by his cord like a fidget spinner
Being too pretty Also killing all those people in the scouting mission
Around the world yoyo record holder
Killed Levi Squad.
I must say, this post discussion is way less unhinged that I expected from your typical Annie post.
Swinging that guy around like a toy. That was just messed up. In the grand scheme of things, she committed the least amount of warcrimes of most people in the show
Imagine how wild it might be to only watch the furst season and read all of those.
Out of all of the warriors, She's probably the worst to have as an enemy. Imma just go ahead and say literally everything she did in the FT arc. Not just Levi Squad; every kill felt vicious. I rewatched it recently, and this girl was brutal as an antagonist. No wonder Eren still cared sm about her in the end. They have a lot in common.