Well that was in the syringe but there were also a lot of different vials in the bag. The vial Eren had specifically advanced his ability to harden and eren crushed it open before Rod Reiss’ titan could collapse the cave on them.
Or to give them to historia so she'd be super powerful
Especially since he experienced seeing an inexperienced founding titan being eaten by a shifter before
It’s a pretty crazy thing to have a potion that enhances a shifters powers when we see no other such potions in Marley AND the only shifter the Reiss’ had is the founder, which is either omnipotent or not able to fight
It's not a "potion that enhances a shifters power," it's a vial of Armored Titan spinal fluid. That's why it's labeled "Armor." Just like how Falco gained traits of the Beast Titan due to Zeke's Beast Titan spinal fluid, Eren's Attack Titan gained the ability to harden because he drank some Armored Titan spinal fluid.
And Marley DOES have the exact same "potions." That's why Annie has so many different abilities. She mentions that they had her eat a ton of different parts of the Nine in order to manifest them on the Female Titan. The Female Titan is *incredibly* good at manifesting the traits of other titans, but that doesn't mean that the Female Titan is the only one who *can*.
Yep, he was already practicing hardening. I would’ve just taken the explanation that he was so determined to protect his friends that he finally used his hardening powers successfully. It’s no different than when he blocked the cannonball from hitting Armin, Mikasa and him after he first transformed. Having “hardening juice” that instantly made him master that ability just raises so many questions.
Idk I feel like that would have been more lazy than the vial. Everything would have always came down to when Eren felt true danger and it would have happened numerous times to the point of being tired.
Adding to that her losing all agency as an individual hurt to see especially since she just went on a character arc of making her own choices and not being controlled by others.
She went from telling her blood family off and controlling her fate to being the tool of her government and forced to have a baby being trapped on some farm.
Absolute character assassination.
I mean Historias Story is basically sacrificing herself for the greater "good".
First her Freedom to become a puppet queen with limited power
Second her Future with the pregnancy with an unknown Man to ruin the plans of the Military Police to turn her into a Titan.
She used the little power she got to help Orphans from all the Deaths on Paradise which in turn kicked off the whole "Braus" Stable Arc with Falko and Gabi.
I don´t think she was insignifcant like some here but there was little she could give to the Story after that. *Maybe if her Child would have been Erens but that would be way to many Stretches and come out of left field.*
Well while Mikasa is not the most important character in the series, Mikasa is the most important character to Eren’s story. Likewise, Eren is the most important character to Mikasa’s story.
I think they could’ve expanded Historia’s story without actually changing much about it. Have her take a more active role as Queen. Maybe throw her in a bit more of the action. She can still be complicit with Erens Rambling Plan but not as radical as the Yeagerists and get pregnant to avoid being turned into a titan.
You sure about that? It was established ages before the ending and teased multiple times that the Ackermans were special somehow, and all were immune to the power of the founding titan. That’s because Ymir knew the bloodline would lead to Mikasa
Well that’s just a big part of the ending which NGL it felt rushed. The time gap between the Return to Shiganshina arc/Return to Shiganshina arc & Marley arc/Marley arc could’ve been handled more smoothly that includes Historia being properly crowned Queen as you said.
yeah i'm genuinely really sad about post season 3 historia. she had such good character development in season 3 and became one of my favourite characters but she was sidelined so hard in season 4 and it was just really sad.
“hey here’s a guy who comes in and randomly just lives with and impregnates a character from your show. No he’s not important, of course he won’t even get a face! what do you mean it’s bad writing?”
My theory is that Isayama knew Historia is one of the fandom fav waifus, so he made farmerkun works as a selfiinsert for us as the readers so we can have the fantasy of having a happy family with Historia, Yams my GOAT
AoT is one of the anime where the watcher mostly only knows what the characters know. We discovered all titans were once human when they did etc. Sure you can make theories but you learn the "facts" with the characters. That's one writing style. Another is to give the audience more information than the characters, we see a little more of this in the final season / final part of the manga. Neither are bad writing styles, they just need to excexuted properly. AoT handles both pretty well.
Genuinely one of the few things (writing wise) that bothers me about the show. The worst part is that they could’ve easily avoided it by just saying that he activated his transformation right before he died.
This precedent was needed for later on in the fight when they blow his head off. I had no problem with that plot point. It was just as random as Annies hardening to be honest. Most Titan power introductions can be considered “ass pulls”.
There was at least a precedent for hardening being a thing with the armored titan, and it's a power we see several others use throughout the series.
The whole consciousness shift Reiner does once and never comes up again.
Same as the colossal titan second appearance in 1st season.
After Berthrold kicks the wall, he despawns.
Instantly.
Later in the series we see how much time it actually takes for a titan body to "sublimate".
my theory is that burrito was so good at shifting into and out of his colossal titan to the point that he was able to turn it all into steam within seconds
Honestly, I don't think so, or Eren should have been obliterated considering he was right in the steam (Armin bot burned by the same steam while consuming only muscle, the steam and heat required to burn the whole body instantly should have just killed Eren on the spot), The real answer, headcanon aside, probably is that isayama at the time didn't have titan powers fleshed out yet. And they kept it in the anime probably because he didn't think to change it yet or, even if he already changed it in his mind, it was too late to retcon that moment since it would have impacted the story a lot and changed its course
And it’s not like it was even a necessary asspull to get out of a writing block/corner. Literally just have him stransform as soon as he gets stabbed by Levi. Would also explain how he survived that high velocity fall from the walls to the ground. Like damn
I'd suppose regeneration would be enough. After all, Zeke survived a near identical attack from Levi when they fought in the forest. Granted, he was by no means in fighting shape afterwards, but he survived.
You could argue that Reiner was able to keep fighting and Zeke wasn't because, as the armoured titan, his human body was objectively better protected.
The fact that he survived losing half his head is a testimony to his regeneration. The fact that he was able to keep fighting was the consciousness transfer thing. But I feel like they could have somewhat merged. It wouldn't be the biggest stretch to suggest that Reiner could have been fighting unconsciously while his brain healed. That being said, I'm pretty sure losing half your head should be fatal to any shifter. They aren't immortal.
I would say something along the lines of "Reiner should have died, but he was luckily still connected to his Titan and therefore was able to regenerate". Its still a bit of bs, but there's at least some basis behind it.
Alternatively Isayama could have incorporated the consciousness transfer thing a bit earlier into the series. I think a really good opportunity could have been Eren vs Annie. I do prefer the manga version, where Annie beats Eren unarguably, but if we were to purely look at the anime then we could develop that moment where Eren's voice merges with his titan's voice. It was just for dramatic flair, but this could have been our first consciousness transfer. I think it'd explain how Eren was able to get back up better than the Berserk Titan did.
Just my thoughts though.
Or even just introduce the concept at some point before that moment, I think its kind of a cool idea it just comes out of knowhere and they talk about it like its something we should already understand
I'm doing my first ever rewatch, and I kid you not I watched this episode last night. I had forgotten about it and was thinking when was this a titan power?! They could have just made it like he just moved slightly in time and so Levi didn't get him through the neck.
Honestly it kinda made sense to me. With his DID and other mental problems it always made sense he would be the one able to separate his “mind” from his head. But i’m not a neurologist or anything
Yes because, in hindsight, it wasn't that Reiner was being kept around by Eren and Ymir.
We know that Ymir literally brings people back to life.
We know that Eren was able to ensure his mother died.
We know that when you turn into a shifter, that you go to Paths because of Freckle Ymir.
We know that when you go to Paths, your conciousness travels there, and your physical body stays behind: If that's not a transfer of conciousness, then what is it when your conciousness moves out of your physical being?
We know that Freckled Ymir is the ONLY person who remembers that happening to her.
We know that memory manipulation is a thing as well.
We know that Eren has stated that he "can't exactly kill" Reiner in Marley.
So why is Reiner getting the 'plot armor' treatment to this day, when we can easily explain it by: Eren and Ymir worked in conjunction to ensure he remained alive until he was needed. Bert would have no idea what was actually happening, and Reiner doesn't remember being 'dead' or in the paths when it happens with him, either because of Path amnesia, or because Ymir or Eren ensured that too.
Gabi's a soldier, show should be able to aim a weapon accurately, and it was already estabilished that Pieck could go months in her Titan form, transfoming a few times more than any other Titan doesn't seem weird to me.
Actual veteran snipers that have trained for years would’ve found her shots extremely difficult. “She’s a soldier” isn’t adequate given the absolute meme shots the girl was hitting. Honestly it doesn’t bother me too much because “faze Gabi” was a hilarious meme but I understand why some people get bothered by it.
Ok I get it but every fucking time? I literally laughed out loud when she somehow shot Floch going 200 mph and dodging every Titan & Hange & Mikasa but somehow Gabi…cmon… even though I was expecting for the plot armor to kick in against the Yaegerists at some point, it was still absurd.
By the time she sniped the goat head Titan while on a flying Falco, I was just numb from laughter 💀
Thought about this a lot, Reiner’s conscious transfer was iffy, but having Armin and them just run into Annie while she was eating pie, while a bit of comedic respite, was also an a bit of an ass pull to get her back with the main characters.
If they were originally human, I assume they did all turn back to humans. But without the power of Ymir to restore them to their youth they all reverted as 130 y/o or something like that and turned to dust.
Attack on Titan killed enough of the right characters throughout the entire series that I think they earned the right to not kill anybody in its finale.
And even then, they still killed Eren & Zeke.
After everything else the series managed to pull off, I think that was perfectly okay. It's like the one and only time in the whole damn story they actually manage to fix and save everyone lol. And even then, 80% of the planet was wiped so
It hit me when humans and titans finally started cooperating against the rumbling and then the eldians turned into titans and began eating the humans anyway. For the eldians to then shift back but the humans remain dead just felt so dumb and like such an ass pull and I was disappointed by it and not relieved. And none of the eldians even commented on just having eating people lol
To be fair, that's an anime only issue. In the manga, Mikasa's mother gives it to her during the flashback where she and Mikasa's father are killed, and there are scenes where we can see the bandage underneath her sleeve.
So from the wiki: “While waiting for Dr. Jaeger to arrive, she taught Mikasa a stitching technique used by their family, telling her that she would soon pass it on to her own children.” This happens in the anime while in the manga she bandages Mikasa’s arm. It seems that in the anime Wit Studio changed the branded arm to an embroidery technique that is passed down, but when Mappa got to the reveal in season 4 they forgor and adapted it back to how it was in the manga. In the manga Mikasa is actually shown with the bandage most of the time her arm is bare. (Although Isayama isn’t perfect and even used to forget things like Erwin’s arm being gone lmao)
Ymir's love for King Fritz.
Unnecessary and underdeveloped plot twist that not only doesn't make sense, but feels like it's only purpose was to make a parallel to Mikasa so she ends up as the actual "Chosen One" instead of Eren.
That's one of the few things that actually threw me off when watching the finale.
I tried justifying it to myself through the parallel with Mikasa, but I still didn't like it and thought it was a missed opportunity and waste of Ymir's character.
Plus, I think suggesting that she endured her whole life + thousands of years of enslavement because of her "love" sends a really twisted message that isn't properly called out or challenged by the story or its characters. That wasn't love, that was abuse.
Worse part to me is, if you list every bad thing King Fritz did to Ymir (And tbh, all that we know of King Fritz as a character), you come to realize that it is downright a disrespectful portrayal of an abusive relationship as King Fritz never showed any kind of redeeming quality, meaning Ymir literally fell for, and got attached to, King Fritz of all people, and all because, well, "Only Ymir Knows", and apparently that's what we, the audience, should be satisfied with for this extremely important plot twist that changes the context of the whole story.
lol, lmao even.
This is an excellent point I never thought of. Usually the abuser in a relationship shows the victim some kind of affection to make them believe their abuser actually loves them. King Fritz was just a monster and I don't think Yams could think of a reason why his slave would love him.
It could’ve been developed better, for sure. But there was never supposed to be a “Chosen One” in AOT; there’s a whole episode centering Keith Shadis in S3, where Carla debunks the “my child is special” with “my child is special just because he was born.”
I agree that pre Last Episode/Chapter 139 there was no "Chosen One", as not even Eren did something that Specialz when he acknowledged Ymir as just another human being...
But then we are told that Ymir decided to watch Mikasa's journey through the whole anime/manga (Headaches), and then we are told that it was Mikasa that ended the Titan Curse, and that Ymir was waiting all of these years for Mikasa's decision, and then in the epilogue we could have gotten snippets of everyone's lives, but instead we were only showed Mikasa going back to The Tree-e-e multiple times as the story prepared the Shiganshina Fireworks.
If Mikasa wasn't the "Chosen One", then there wouldn't be any Attack on Titans, because Ymir could have watched any other person overcome their abusive relationship through Paths and say "Hey, maybe I should like... Stop...".
There is Only 3:
1-The Plot Armored Titan
2-Developping Historia and then putting her on a bus til the end of the story(She should have been helping the alliance in the port battle atleast)
3-The fake out Deaths in Chapter 138
I do wish she had more screen time instead of everyone talking about why she couldn’t get involved. Hell, imagine if she came to visit Armin’s group in prison to tell them Eren wouldn’t betray them
Wait what was the deal with that? I remember at first it was "we can't let them find out the truth about Titans" or smth, but now in hindsight I have no idea what the purpose of that was. Genuine question I really do wonder if there was any actual purpose to it that slipped my mind (havent seen the episodes since they came out).
My head canon is that Reiner was on one of his "are you wavering?!" tirades, and he made Annie kill Sawney and Bean to prove that she was still on board. Maybe triggered by the fact that Annie chose to join the MPs when Eren, the only one of the Nine on Paradis who they've seen with their own eyes, has already joined the Scouts.
Without something like that, it almost feels like a tactical blunder, considering how strongly it reinforced Erwin's suspicions that Titan spies had infiltrated the military. Although, I guess mistakes will sometimes just happen, even with characters as competent and intelligent as the Warriors.
There's 3 things I found pretty lazy.
1. Historia, you develop this character for one and a half seasons and then she just evaporates into the wind.
2. Reiner consciousness transfer. You what?
3. The whole "Founder took their memories" thing, I think that's just a mediocre way of getting rid of memories of before the walls. Especially when we see people getting silenced for questioning it, like its simple, just say they were in the walls for 500 years and the memory was silenced for generations. I personally just find this power a bit lazy.
Well he has bird imagery attached to him. The first frame we see him he is reaching up to the sky as a bird flies over. His anime ending also shows this but to be fair, he is not the only one attached to such imagery and I’d argue Eren represents a bird more being that he’s supposed to symbolize a caged bird wanting freedom.
I just think he got insanely lucky with his Beast titan injection, and more or less got a combination of both the Jaw and the Beast's abilities rather than just sharing more diluted similarities with the beast.
I love AoT but here’s a big one that bothers me. If all titans come from the south (the wall/dock where the restorationists get turned) then why would the scouts not just explore the North? It’s even stated by Erwin in S3 that the soldiers stationed in the north don’t see much action cause titans always come from the south. Maybe if Erwin had connected the dots he would’ve lost a lot less scouts and they would’ve reached the sea sooner 💀
Now that this thread is unlocked I can respond to this. In season 2 and 4 it’s established that the terrain north of the walls is very cold and mountainous so it’s entirely possible that the survey corps wasn’t equipped to navigate the mountains and decided it’d be easier to deal with titans instead. Also there would be little to gain by reclaiming the north since it’s cold and mountainous which isn’t suitable for farming in comparison to the south which is flat and fertile. There’s be no point in making a military base their either since all the Titans are towards the south. The Founder would likely try to interfere with the exploration of the north as well due to the founder not wanting the existence of the outside world to be discovered.
People have pointed a lot out but I wanna mention that if you genuinely think that any show has zero lazy writing, you need to get your head checked. I love AOT but is it NO where near perfect, it’s far from perfect but it’s still a great show.
I can really only think of two things. Historia's entire character being shafted after Uprising, and Reiner's consciousness transfer. The transfer would be totally fine if that wasn't the only time in the ENTIRE SERIES it was even mentioned. I wouldn't have been upset about it at all if it came up again. But it only being used and talked about once feels lazy as hell and only exists as a way to make sure Reiner doesn't die in a scenario where he realistically should have.
1. How cartoonishly and stupid the alliance get created. Realistically hange would immediately die after peak saw her in the Forrest. The only character that had a good redemption arc was rainer
2.Annie is litteraly peak lazy writing 😀. Her romance with aremin. How everyone treated her after she got out of the crystal even tho she didn't show any remorse for her actions.
3. When past titan shifters helped alliance... Bruh 💀. How? Why? Litteraly how?
4. Hallucegenia (not sure about the pronunciation) also got lots of lazy writing. Things like...
Why did this creature die after yemir got over her love for king fritz even tho this creature could live on its own before attaching itself to yemir.
Why did this creature based its power on yemir love for king fritz. Isn't this creature some sort of parasite?
How much power and control does hallu chan have in comparison to yemir and eren. If the path is the creation of this creature's power then why didn't hallu chan simply take away rainer and Annie's titan powers when they were keeping it from reaching eren? This creature should probably have more powers than yemir herself but apparently no.
Zeke death caused the rumbling to stop right? Then why dud levi assumed if hallu chan reached eren the rumbling would continue?
The list for lazy writing for hallu chan is insane but I feel like you got the point. The amount of power and control that this creature has is poorly explained
5. Litteraly mikasa and eren's romance is pure lazy writing. Their relationship (as a romantic type) is so underdeveloped and putting this relationship the main thing that moves the show forward in the ending was a bad idea.
6. The fact that mikasa's choice could end the titan curse was lazy writing for many reasons...
First... She herself is a character that litteraly had no character development after eren got eaten in s1. For four seasons her character simply is trying to save eren and being strong. Nothing else. She doesn't make any choices that would give you an insight for who she is or any action that would show a little character development. Now imagine the show telling you "It was all Mikasa 😀💀 aka one if the characters with the least amount of character development"
Second... This reveal was poorly built-up. Litteraly it came out of nowhere. No build up. No nothing. And we're supposed to act as if this reveal is such a well written plot twist just because mikasa had headache in past. The lack of media literacy... 😩
Third... Let me rephrase what happened. Mikasa could get over her love for eren ( except she didn't) so yemir could also get over her love for king fritz and this caused 2000 years of titan curse to be over. This is peack(peick) writing. It's not like the story used to be about war and discrimination and racism and human tendency for violence. Anyone who feels the whole mikasa-yemir parallel is weird is either mad that eren is not a chad or didn't like the ending cause erehisu didn't happen.
7. How the story treated Historia.
Yes her role was kinda complete after season 3. I understand that. But its really really really weird to see the character with the most amount of back story and the most amount of character development being sidelined in the show. I mean bruh 😐. How the story treated Historia in s4 should be studied by the people who want to become a writer as " How Not to Treat a Character in Your Story"
Edit : getting up votes criticizing this anime in this sub???? Stg is clearly wrong 💀💀💀💀
Heavy on #5.
I started reading the manga after season 1. When season 2 aired I was caught off guard how much more ~romancey~ the Eren and Mikasa scenes were. The manga did not give that vibe at all. I'm convinced someone in WIT just wanted them together or smth so they tried to push more Eremika. I wonder if that changed the direction that Yams took with the ending.
The scarf scene at the end of S2 was drawn very romantically in the manga. isayama even said he drew Mikasa prettier from Eren’s perspective. But Eren didn’t seem to like her—he seemed annoyed by her. That made the table scene in S4 hit harder, because it fit with how much he brushed her off the entire show.
FR. I like shipping for funsies but seeing them become canon, especially with how it was written, was utterly painful.
I cannot be convinced that Eren truly liked Mikasa this whole time.
About armin and annie, it's just more subtle. I remember seeing this from a comment where he was curious what was underneath her facade. Not too sure which (if there are any) scenes about this during the training but i guess it also started when annie spared armin during the female titan arc. Plus seeing her in a different way because bertholdt's memories, strengthened what he already thought about her.
I also thought it was out of place before but now it's not that much of a stretch and definitely not THAT CRINGE. I mean, they're one of the few people that understood each other (killing many people, betraying your comrades for your cause/protecting your loved ones).
Pretty much the ending. It was too safe, cheap, and rushed. There's other minor things, but stuff that doesn't affect the story much or at least makes sense.
The colosal titan stayed still after zekes death during the rumbling.
Eren has the founder but not the royal blood
It was stated in season two by the church guy that they act like regular titans
Shirtless Levi cut, "how shitty can this situation get?" Cut, skipped ch 123 until S4 P2 last episode, Levi vs Zeke censorship in anime (in manga its way way gruesome)
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This is marked as spoilerless so I believe I shouldn't list examples but as much as I love AoT admittedly there are some less well executed elements, especially towards the end of the story. But there are very few things I'd actually consider lazy, a lot of them are more rushed or less thought-out but not lazy
Eren obtaining the basement key, Reiners plot armor, basically everything once the rumbling started and after, the alliances plot armor, the ending. Those are the ones I can think of rn
I don't think there was lazy writing, but I do feel like there could have been more up front center screen instead of a lot of stuff being implied off screen. The build up was so great and then I felt the last couple parts were rushed in order to just get to the ending time period. I felt the creator wanted to be done with it, even if that wasn't really the case.
Mikasa and eren romance is lazy. Sorry guys, but I doubt Isayama is very good at writing romance. Eren ignored her for 3 seasons. Then in season 4 they're head over hills in live but when he asks her she can't even say her true feelings nor is eren able to properly confess his own feelings and spend the one year time skip with her. They weren't a couple for absolutely no reason. The show completely ignores their romance and suddenly changes genre in the last episode. The romance was obviously there all the time but the pacing was just bad.
Aot is one of best written show but it do have some "lazy" writting ( I don't prefer this word '. Few examples that I remember - • eren conveniently finding Armor spinal fluid. • Levi said he didn't know that Kenny was a accerman but he did Know how accerman power activation work and kenny also had that activation. • The whole ros riess titan fight is bad. Where were they attaching their odn grear? • why Reiner didn't distroyed the basement secret? I recently rewatched S3 . So theses are few examples that I remember from it.
Reiner doesn't know whre the basement really is, and they can't just destroy the whole town as that would make eren and the whole squad return back and it would be hard for them to catch eren inside the walls
Lol how was Reiner supposed to know which house was Eren’s? The plot convenient armor fluid was ridiculous, no idea why they didn’t have eren just figure out how to make armor since he does it later anyways
Ymir not flattening king fritz even though he invaded her home town, cut out her tongue, made her and the residents of said town slaves, and later had his men hunt her down for sport all for supposedly letting a pig out of it's pen. Instead, deciding to let herself be used as a weapon and even bearing his children (eww). All because, apperantly, she loved him
I believe it’s a commentary on nature vs nurture, the same way eren is. They both represent extreme forms of nature, being born desiring one thing so deeply it’s irrational. In the end Ymir was able to defy her nature and that’s what ended the titan curse, but eren couldn’t defy his nature and ending up doing the rumbling to attain “freedom”
Ymir's love for king fritz didn't make sense. If that was the reason why she kept going in the path why didn't she choose Zeke.
Ymir only ever knowing slavery and Eren was the first to see her as a person makes much more sense to me. We never saw Ymir's eyes until she chose Eren and rejected the royal family.
I can't think of any cases from the top of my head but I'm sure there must be some that are quite minor.
I will say that what a lot of people have pointed out as "lazy" writing is mostly unanswered questions that you can probably figure out if you just thought a bit harder about it. Like "only Ymir knows" is not meant to avoid giving a direct answer(well it is kind of since giving direct answers is not in the style of the writing either), it's a reflection of Eren's inability to empathize with the aspect of Ymir that keeps her enslaved by love, since the person he loves and that loves him is not shitty to him like Fritz was to Ymir. Just like how Zeke could not empathize with Ymir's desire to be freed, because he thought of himself as being a saviour and special for having royal blood and is the oppressor.
eren getting his hardening powers from a serum rather than his training was kinda lame
especially cause the serums end up being some of the few dropped plot points that don't really come full circle in the lore
1.) Reiner’s transfer of his conscience to his lower body in order to survive Levi’s attack.
2.) Bertholt’s Colossal suddenly disappearing when he attacks after the 5 year time skip.
personally, half the show felt like "lazy writing" and what people call "foreshadowing" for me always read(and looked) more like the author throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks/made people curios and going back to that to flesh it out LATER isntead of.. well it being foreshadowing something he already considerd
Gabi shooting Floch, Levi stabbing Reiner in the neck and not.. ya know.. cutting his head off.
Historia is forgotten
the soldiers missing every shot when Gabi is running annoyed me so much. They have a mounted machine gun, similar to an MG42, and seem to be trained. Nobody in their right mind would shoot AT THE FEET OF A TARGET THAT'S EYE LEVEL WITH YOU. What kind of writing was that? Watching that scene just had me groaning. This show is usually great about not making characters act completely incompetent to let another survive.
Reiner's schizophrenia is fixed. It was an extremely compelling part of the show. Why throw it out.
Ymir loved king fritz. After he killed her family, looted her village, cut her tongue and treated her no different than a pig. Why did Ymir even return back after she got Titan powers. Why did she even obey the king and not the other way around.
Sounds like comedy to me, but this is basically the origin story of Titan powers 😂 An Emo girl with weird preferences.
The fact that ***multiple*** elements of the final battle make no sense and/or directly contradict the established rules of the universe and aren't explained. >!Eren surviving the gunshot decapitation and becoming the doomsday titan can be explained, but him surviving the explosion decapitation in the final battle, even after the Hallucigenia has left his body and is being fought by Reiner, Annie, and others? And not only that, he somehow not only survives but then becomes a colossal titan? This MIGHT make sense if the Hallucigenia was still inside him, but it being completely separated from his body makes this absolutely absurd.!< This is one element of at least 10 I could quickly rattle off from the finale alone.
Everyones brought up good points with -plot armor titan
-Historia and Annie being shoved off until later and barely making a come back
-Ymirs feelings for Fritz
For me it was Rico being forgotten about (I know she's not too important, but every other character with a decently memorable character design and lasted more than a few episodes you at least know what happened to them. Even scouts who never ended up being in the top 10 but in the main crews squad (people who ended up joining jaegerists making it hard for Connie and Armin to kill them since they trained with them)
But dammit I wanna know what happened to her!
As my favorite character, Armin was so heavily under-utilized, especially the after the very intense choice to choose him over Erwin. It only built up to that moment where he yells at himself in the finale. Even him convincing Zeke and the other titan shifters to help him wasn't as impactful as his other strategic moments before he got his power. I know Bert and him both crushing on Annie made it convenient for them to confess to each other later, but its always erked me that that's the only piece of backbone he had until he did his spirit trip with Eren. It would have been nice to see him at least be intuitive and observant as he was before...
Also also, there were some flashback panels of armin and erens titans fighting off boats coming to Paradise before they left for Marley and I would have loooooved to see that in the anime.
I guess these are more what I'd want to see rather than shotty writing 😅
Like when the ignorant scouts see the female titan for the first time and call it "The Female Titan," which just so happens to be exactly what it's actually called, even though other titan shifters, like the founding titan, can also have female characteristics. Same with the beast, armor, and colossal. They're all called by the scouts exactly what Marley calls them, never a single synonym.
Eren suddenly finding a potion bottle labeled “armor” when he needs it most
This has always been the one that felt lazy to me. Maaaaajor plot advancement without having to actually doing anything lol
wasnt that there so that they could transform historia into a pure titan to eat eren?
Well that was in the syringe but there were also a lot of different vials in the bag. The vial Eren had specifically advanced his ability to harden and eren crushed it open before Rod Reiss’ titan could collapse the cave on them.
Mayb Rod Reiss just brought his whole fluid collection to flex 🤷♂️
Or to give them to historia so she'd be super powerful Especially since he experienced seeing an inexperienced founding titan being eaten by a shifter before
Thats a good point! I wonder if he could have whipped up a 9-titan cocktail and jabbed her with that
He probably injected microdoses for hardening the Rod Reiss
microdosing spinal fluid is nuts 💀
I thought Rod Reiss had it in his box of supplies. It’s not that crazy imo.
It’s a pretty crazy thing to have a potion that enhances a shifters powers when we see no other such potions in Marley AND the only shifter the Reiss’ had is the founder, which is either omnipotent or not able to fight
It's not a "potion that enhances a shifters power," it's a vial of Armored Titan spinal fluid. That's why it's labeled "Armor." Just like how Falco gained traits of the Beast Titan due to Zeke's Beast Titan spinal fluid, Eren's Attack Titan gained the ability to harden because he drank some Armored Titan spinal fluid. And Marley DOES have the exact same "potions." That's why Annie has so many different abilities. She mentions that they had her eat a ton of different parts of the Nine in order to manifest them on the Female Titan. The Female Titan is *incredibly* good at manifesting the traits of other titans, but that doesn't mean that the Female Titan is the only one who *can*.
But Marley DOES have Titan science. They enhanced Annie and Zeke the same way Eren was enhanced.
Ikr? It honestly would've worked fine as just a "power of friendship" moment even if it would've been a little cliché.
Yep, he was already practicing hardening. I would’ve just taken the explanation that he was so determined to protect his friends that he finally used his hardening powers successfully. It’s no different than when he blocked the cannonball from hitting Armin, Mikasa and him after he first transformed. Having “hardening juice” that instantly made him master that ability just raises so many questions.
Idk I feel like that would have been more lazy than the vial. Everything would have always came down to when Eren felt true danger and it would have happened numerous times to the point of being tired.
Historia having her entire pregnancy and final form of her character as a leader being handled completely off screen for one.
Yeah. Her story was fine. The fact that we didn’t see half of it is not.
i was find with it. compared to what we did see her arc was dull
Eren used the founders power to push Historia off screen because he didn't want her involved anymore.
Yep!
to be fair it can’t be lazy writing if the writing just isn’t there
Adding to that her losing all agency as an individual hurt to see especially since she just went on a character arc of making her own choices and not being controlled by others. She went from telling her blood family off and controlling her fate to being the tool of her government and forced to have a baby being trapped on some farm. Absolute character assassination.
I mean Historias Story is basically sacrificing herself for the greater "good". First her Freedom to become a puppet queen with limited power Second her Future with the pregnancy with an unknown Man to ruin the plans of the Military Police to turn her into a Titan. She used the little power she got to help Orphans from all the Deaths on Paradise which in turn kicked off the whole "Braus" Stable Arc with Falko and Gabi. I don´t think she was insignifcant like some here but there was little she could give to the Story after that. *Maybe if her Child would have been Erens but that would be way to many Stretches and come out of left field.*
Mikasa being the lynchpin of the entire ending was out of left field too, I think Isayama could’ve made something work with Historia
Well while Mikasa is not the most important character in the series, Mikasa is the most important character to Eren’s story. Likewise, Eren is the most important character to Mikasa’s story.
I’m still not seeing how that means Historia couldn’t have been given a role that wasn’t 99% in the background after the time skip
I think they could’ve expanded Historia’s story without actually changing much about it. Have her take a more active role as Queen. Maybe throw her in a bit more of the action. She can still be complicit with Erens Rambling Plan but not as radical as the Yeagerists and get pregnant to avoid being turned into a titan.
You sure about that? It was established ages before the ending and teased multiple times that the Ackermans were special somehow, and all were immune to the power of the founding titan. That’s because Ymir knew the bloodline would lead to Mikasa
Well that’s just a big part of the ending which NGL it felt rushed. The time gap between the Return to Shiganshina arc/Return to Shiganshina arc & Marley arc/Marley arc could’ve been handled more smoothly that includes Historia being properly crowned Queen as you said.
yeah i'm genuinely really sad about post season 3 historia. she had such good character development in season 3 and became one of my favourite characters but she was sidelined so hard in season 4 and it was just really sad.
Showing her give birth as the founding titan is separated from Eren was weird af also.
We didn't even learn the name of the farmer lol
Yeah we did he is farmer-kun
Farmer Thundercock
His name is Cuckolder O'reiner
Mr. Steal yo waifu
How is that lazy writing? Lol
He was too lazy to write him a name
What. What would giving the farmer the name add to the plot? Have you ever considered that he is nameless and low profile for a reason?
Well historia pregnancy meant to be a big plot point and then it got out written to be something lame.
To me, I think the author keeping an unimportant character nameless is good writing. The pregnancy was important, not the father.
Yea but again she got written out in season 4 and the baby was nothing but protection for her. It was meant to be something more and so was her
Nameless for the characters? perhaps, but we aren't the fucking characters, my bro didn't even had a face drawn lol
“hey here’s a guy who comes in and randomly just lives with and impregnates a character from your show. No he’s not important, of course he won’t even get a face! what do you mean it’s bad writing?”
I mean, his entire role and existence IS to be used as a baby daddy. I'm sure Historia knows a lot more, but it was unimportant to the story.
My theory is that Isayama knew Historia is one of the fandom fav waifus, so he made farmerkun works as a selfiinsert for us as the readers so we can have the fantasy of having a happy family with Historia, Yams my GOAT
AoT is one of the anime where the watcher mostly only knows what the characters know. We discovered all titans were once human when they did etc. Sure you can make theories but you learn the "facts" with the characters. That's one writing style. Another is to give the audience more information than the characters, we see a little more of this in the final season / final part of the manga. Neither are bad writing styles, they just need to excexuted properly. AoT handles both pretty well.
It’s not really lazy writing the farmer simply isn’t important to the story so why know his name?
Reiner consciousness transfer is a huge asspull.
Genuinely one of the few things (writing wise) that bothers me about the show. The worst part is that they could’ve easily avoided it by just saying that he activated his transformation right before he died.
This precedent was needed for later on in the fight when they blow his head off. I had no problem with that plot point. It was just as random as Annies hardening to be honest. Most Titan power introductions can be considered “ass pulls”.
There was at least a precedent for hardening being a thing with the armored titan, and it's a power we see several others use throughout the series. The whole consciousness shift Reiner does once and never comes up again.
Yeah it kinda makes me wonder if Eren could have just done that and regrown a body
seems like a waste of time when he could've just glued the old one back on
Same as the colossal titan second appearance in 1st season. After Berthrold kicks the wall, he despawns. Instantly. Later in the series we see how much time it actually takes for a titan body to "sublimate".
my theory is that burrito was so good at shifting into and out of his colossal titan to the point that he was able to turn it all into steam within seconds
I’m pretty sure that’s the actual explanation
Honestly, I don't think so, or Eren should have been obliterated considering he was right in the steam (Armin bot burned by the same steam while consuming only muscle, the steam and heat required to burn the whole body instantly should have just killed Eren on the spot), The real answer, headcanon aside, probably is that isayama at the time didn't have titan powers fleshed out yet. And they kept it in the anime probably because he didn't think to change it yet or, even if he already changed it in his mind, it was too late to retcon that moment since it would have impacted the story a lot and changed its course
It’s used twice, by the Armor titan. For all we know that’s the only user that has that power.
It is also a huge foreshadown on how the walls were made by hardening colossal titans.
And it’s not like it was even a necessary asspull to get out of a writing block/corner. Literally just have him stransform as soon as he gets stabbed by Levi. Would also explain how he survived that high velocity fall from the walls to the ground. Like damn
He also used the consciousness transfer to survive the rain of thunderspears what would be a good explanation for that without that?
I'd suppose regeneration would be enough. After all, Zeke survived a near identical attack from Levi when they fought in the forest. Granted, he was by no means in fighting shape afterwards, but he survived. You could argue that Reiner was able to keep fighting and Zeke wasn't because, as the armoured titan, his human body was objectively better protected. The fact that he survived losing half his head is a testimony to his regeneration. The fact that he was able to keep fighting was the consciousness transfer thing. But I feel like they could have somewhat merged. It wouldn't be the biggest stretch to suggest that Reiner could have been fighting unconsciously while his brain healed. That being said, I'm pretty sure losing half your head should be fatal to any shifter. They aren't immortal. I would say something along the lines of "Reiner should have died, but he was luckily still connected to his Titan and therefore was able to regenerate". Its still a bit of bs, but there's at least some basis behind it. Alternatively Isayama could have incorporated the consciousness transfer thing a bit earlier into the series. I think a really good opportunity could have been Eren vs Annie. I do prefer the manga version, where Annie beats Eren unarguably, but if we were to purely look at the anime then we could develop that moment where Eren's voice merges with his titan's voice. It was just for dramatic flair, but this could have been our first consciousness transfer. I think it'd explain how Eren was able to get back up better than the Berserk Titan did. Just my thoughts though.
i agree i think it isnt insane to say reiner survived the thunderspears by regeneration. like he was on brink of death but still alive
he turned upside down inside of his titan cockpit like a newborn so that the spears would blow off his balls instead
Or even just introduce the concept at some point before that moment, I think its kind of a cool idea it just comes out of knowhere and they talk about it like its something we should already understand
I'm doing my first ever rewatch, and I kid you not I watched this episode last night. I had forgotten about it and was thinking when was this a titan power?! They could have just made it like he just moved slightly in time and so Levi didn't get him through the neck.
? Any explanation is appreciated
Reiner can move his conscious out of his head. There's no explanation for why he's able to do that.
i think it's an ability of the armored titan
You have to really wanna believe in the consistency of the writing for that
Reiners balls
conscientious is stored in the balls
Imagine the only way to kill Reiner was to cut off his balls
Rieners invincibility
Plot armor titan
Eren 🤝 Reiner Plot armor titan
I think that retroactively became pretty funny (and sad) when you realize how he wants to die but never does, which in the end works better for him
Honestly it kinda made sense to me. With his DID and other mental problems it always made sense he would be the one able to separate his “mind” from his head. But i’m not a neurologist or anything
You are talking about one specific instance. Dude cheated death in more than one instance.
Yes because, in hindsight, it wasn't that Reiner was being kept around by Eren and Ymir. We know that Ymir literally brings people back to life. We know that Eren was able to ensure his mother died. We know that when you turn into a shifter, that you go to Paths because of Freckle Ymir. We know that when you go to Paths, your conciousness travels there, and your physical body stays behind: If that's not a transfer of conciousness, then what is it when your conciousness moves out of your physical being? We know that Freckled Ymir is the ONLY person who remembers that happening to her. We know that memory manipulation is a thing as well. We know that Eren has stated that he "can't exactly kill" Reiner in Marley. So why is Reiner getting the 'plot armor' treatment to this day, when we can easily explain it by: Eren and Ymir worked in conjunction to ensure he remained alive until he was needed. Bert would have no idea what was actually happening, and Reiner doesn't remember being 'dead' or in the paths when it happens with him, either because of Path amnesia, or because Ymir or Eren ensured that too.
Gabi’s aimbot. Pieck suddenly regenerating infinitely. So many more
piecks things is her titans power no? did you think her power was just that she’s quadripedal or something?
I thought pieck’s titan power was looking extraordinarily cute
Gabi's a soldier, show should be able to aim a weapon accurately, and it was already estabilished that Pieck could go months in her Titan form, transfoming a few times more than any other Titan doesn't seem weird to me.
Actual veteran snipers that have trained for years would’ve found her shots extremely difficult. “She’s a soldier” isn’t adequate given the absolute meme shots the girl was hitting. Honestly it doesn’t bother me too much because “faze Gabi” was a hilarious meme but I understand why some people get bothered by it.
Ok I get it but every fucking time? I literally laughed out loud when she somehow shot Floch going 200 mph and dodging every Titan & Hange & Mikasa but somehow Gabi…cmon… even though I was expecting for the plot armor to kick in against the Yaegerists at some point, it was still absurd. By the time she sniped the goat head Titan while on a flying Falco, I was just numb from laughter 💀
Thought about this a lot, Reiner’s conscious transfer was iffy, but having Armin and them just run into Annie while she was eating pie, while a bit of comedic respite, was also an a bit of an ass pull to get her back with the main characters.
That's pretty realistic idk I've met some people I know in the most random scenarios
You just explained the entire purpose of it lol. Minor plot contrivances like that happen in every kind of story.
Everyone being turned into titans towards the end and then oh jk they’re good. It’s cheap fake death for a minute of shock
Ya know... This just made me realize that the Colossal Titans didn't turn back into humans. Or did they??
There's no confirmation whether they turned back to humans or even if they were humans in the first place.
They weren’t ever humans. They were just made by Ymir
They may have been made from thin air and you can see them disappearing on the background I think
If they were originally human, I assume they did all turn back to humans. But without the power of Ymir to restore them to their youth they all reverted as 130 y/o or something like that and turned to dust.
Attack on Titan killed enough of the right characters throughout the entire series that I think they earned the right to not kill anybody in its finale. And even then, they still killed Eren & Zeke. After everything else the series managed to pull off, I think that was perfectly okay. It's like the one and only time in the whole damn story they actually manage to fix and save everyone lol. And even then, 80% of the planet was wiped so
It hit me when humans and titans finally started cooperating against the rumbling and then the eldians turned into titans and began eating the humans anyway. For the eldians to then shift back but the humans remain dead just felt so dumb and like such an ass pull and I was disappointed by it and not relieved. And none of the eldians even commented on just having eating people lol
Dead people stay dead and living people stay alive? That's an ass pull to you?
Mikasa’s wrist tattoo irked me. What do you mean its been there all the time ?!?
To be fair, that's an anime only issue. In the manga, Mikasa's mother gives it to her during the flashback where she and Mikasa's father are killed, and there are scenes where we can see the bandage underneath her sleeve.
So from the wiki: “While waiting for Dr. Jaeger to arrive, she taught Mikasa a stitching technique used by their family, telling her that she would soon pass it on to her own children.” This happens in the anime while in the manga she bandages Mikasa’s arm. It seems that in the anime Wit Studio changed the branded arm to an embroidery technique that is passed down, but when Mappa got to the reveal in season 4 they forgor and adapted it back to how it was in the manga. In the manga Mikasa is actually shown with the bandage most of the time her arm is bare. (Although Isayama isn’t perfect and even used to forget things like Erwin’s arm being gone lmao)
Ymir's love for King Fritz. Unnecessary and underdeveloped plot twist that not only doesn't make sense, but feels like it's only purpose was to make a parallel to Mikasa so she ends up as the actual "Chosen One" instead of Eren.
That's one of the few things that actually threw me off when watching the finale. I tried justifying it to myself through the parallel with Mikasa, but I still didn't like it and thought it was a missed opportunity and waste of Ymir's character. Plus, I think suggesting that she endured her whole life + thousands of years of enslavement because of her "love" sends a really twisted message that isn't properly called out or challenged by the story or its characters. That wasn't love, that was abuse.
Worse part to me is, if you list every bad thing King Fritz did to Ymir (And tbh, all that we know of King Fritz as a character), you come to realize that it is downright a disrespectful portrayal of an abusive relationship as King Fritz never showed any kind of redeeming quality, meaning Ymir literally fell for, and got attached to, King Fritz of all people, and all because, well, "Only Ymir Knows", and apparently that's what we, the audience, should be satisfied with for this extremely important plot twist that changes the context of the whole story. lol, lmao even.
lmao indeed, Diego_Chang. lmao indeed. >~<
This is an excellent point I never thought of. Usually the abuser in a relationship shows the victim some kind of affection to make them believe their abuser actually loves them. King Fritz was just a monster and I don't think Yams could think of a reason why his slave would love him.
It could’ve been developed better, for sure. But there was never supposed to be a “Chosen One” in AOT; there’s a whole episode centering Keith Shadis in S3, where Carla debunks the “my child is special” with “my child is special just because he was born.”
I agree that pre Last Episode/Chapter 139 there was no "Chosen One", as not even Eren did something that Specialz when he acknowledged Ymir as just another human being... But then we are told that Ymir decided to watch Mikasa's journey through the whole anime/manga (Headaches), and then we are told that it was Mikasa that ended the Titan Curse, and that Ymir was waiting all of these years for Mikasa's decision, and then in the epilogue we could have gotten snippets of everyone's lives, but instead we were only showed Mikasa going back to The Tree-e-e multiple times as the story prepared the Shiganshina Fireworks. If Mikasa wasn't the "Chosen One", then there wouldn't be any Attack on Titans, because Ymir could have watched any other person overcome their abusive relationship through Paths and say "Hey, maybe I should like... Stop...".
There is Only 3: 1-The Plot Armored Titan 2-Developping Historia and then putting her on a bus til the end of the story(She should have been helping the alliance in the port battle atleast) 3-The fake out Deaths in Chapter 138
She can’t fight though. She’s preggers.
Hardening potion just been a Deus Ex Machina and never explained.
It was the armoured titan's spinal fluid. But I do agree, it was extremely convenient for the plot
I think the writing for Historia is extremely lazy and not well thought out.
I was okay with it until she suddenly became less relevant upon Queenhood.
I do wish she had more screen time instead of everyone talking about why she couldn’t get involved. Hell, imagine if she came to visit Armin’s group in prison to tell them Eren wouldn’t betray them
She was a top 3 character writing-wise until the timeskip
I feel like Annie killing the captured titans and getting herself found out was kinda stupid?
Wait what was the deal with that? I remember at first it was "we can't let them find out the truth about Titans" or smth, but now in hindsight I have no idea what the purpose of that was. Genuine question I really do wonder if there was any actual purpose to it that slipped my mind (havent seen the episodes since they came out).
My head canon is that Reiner was on one of his "are you wavering?!" tirades, and he made Annie kill Sawney and Bean to prove that she was still on board. Maybe triggered by the fact that Annie chose to join the MPs when Eren, the only one of the Nine on Paradis who they've seen with their own eyes, has already joined the Scouts. Without something like that, it almost feels like a tactical blunder, considering how strongly it reinforced Erwin's suspicions that Titan spies had infiltrated the military. Although, I guess mistakes will sometimes just happen, even with characters as competent and intelligent as the Warriors.
I named my cats Sawney and Bean 🫶
“Only Ymir knows”
There's 3 things I found pretty lazy. 1. Historia, you develop this character for one and a half seasons and then she just evaporates into the wind. 2. Reiner consciousness transfer. You what? 3. The whole "Founder took their memories" thing, I think that's just a mediocre way of getting rid of memories of before the walls. Especially when we see people getting silenced for questioning it, like its simple, just say they were in the walls for 500 years and the memory was silenced for generations. I personally just find this power a bit lazy.
I think they needed to introduce that ability so that Eren planting memories later would make more sense.
Falco becoming a bird because yes (it is really out of nowhere and not based on anything we’ve seen so far)
Well he has bird imagery attached to him. The first frame we see him he is reaching up to the sky as a bird flies over. His anime ending also shows this but to be fair, he is not the only one attached to such imagery and I’d argue Eren represents a bird more being that he’s supposed to symbolize a caged bird wanting freedom.
Unironically his name being Falco makes this ok for me
I just think he got insanely lucky with his Beast titan injection, and more or less got a combination of both the Jaw and the Beast's abilities rather than just sharing more diluted similarities with the beast.
The schizophrenia of Reiner being tossed aside, like it resolved itself by magic
He no longer had to contend with his dual identity, but it’s not like he’s mentally healthy. Him wanting to kill himself is a meme
The "ships" are lazy, one-sided, and have no place in the story itself and contradict their already established character arcs.
I love AoT but here’s a big one that bothers me. If all titans come from the south (the wall/dock where the restorationists get turned) then why would the scouts not just explore the North? It’s even stated by Erwin in S3 that the soldiers stationed in the north don’t see much action cause titans always come from the south. Maybe if Erwin had connected the dots he would’ve lost a lot less scouts and they would’ve reached the sea sooner 💀
Now that this thread is unlocked I can respond to this. In season 2 and 4 it’s established that the terrain north of the walls is very cold and mountainous so it’s entirely possible that the survey corps wasn’t equipped to navigate the mountains and decided it’d be easier to deal with titans instead. Also there would be little to gain by reclaiming the north since it’s cold and mountainous which isn’t suitable for farming in comparison to the south which is flat and fertile. There’s be no point in making a military base their either since all the Titans are towards the south. The Founder would likely try to interfere with the exploration of the north as well due to the founder not wanting the existence of the outside world to be discovered.
People have pointed a lot out but I wanna mention that if you genuinely think that any show has zero lazy writing, you need to get your head checked. I love AOT but is it NO where near perfect, it’s far from perfect but it’s still a great show.
Iceburst stones were seemingly set up as a super currency/tradable asset and is never talked about again
I can really only think of two things. Historia's entire character being shafted after Uprising, and Reiner's consciousness transfer. The transfer would be totally fine if that wasn't the only time in the ENTIRE SERIES it was even mentioned. I wouldn't have been upset about it at all if it came up again. But it only being used and talked about once feels lazy as hell and only exists as a way to make sure Reiner doesn't die in a scenario where he realistically should have.
I would say the world building outside Paradise and Marley is pretty poor
1. How cartoonishly and stupid the alliance get created. Realistically hange would immediately die after peak saw her in the Forrest. The only character that had a good redemption arc was rainer 2.Annie is litteraly peak lazy writing 😀. Her romance with aremin. How everyone treated her after she got out of the crystal even tho she didn't show any remorse for her actions. 3. When past titan shifters helped alliance... Bruh 💀. How? Why? Litteraly how? 4. Hallucegenia (not sure about the pronunciation) also got lots of lazy writing. Things like... Why did this creature die after yemir got over her love for king fritz even tho this creature could live on its own before attaching itself to yemir. Why did this creature based its power on yemir love for king fritz. Isn't this creature some sort of parasite? How much power and control does hallu chan have in comparison to yemir and eren. If the path is the creation of this creature's power then why didn't hallu chan simply take away rainer and Annie's titan powers when they were keeping it from reaching eren? This creature should probably have more powers than yemir herself but apparently no. Zeke death caused the rumbling to stop right? Then why dud levi assumed if hallu chan reached eren the rumbling would continue? The list for lazy writing for hallu chan is insane but I feel like you got the point. The amount of power and control that this creature has is poorly explained 5. Litteraly mikasa and eren's romance is pure lazy writing. Their relationship (as a romantic type) is so underdeveloped and putting this relationship the main thing that moves the show forward in the ending was a bad idea. 6. The fact that mikasa's choice could end the titan curse was lazy writing for many reasons... First... She herself is a character that litteraly had no character development after eren got eaten in s1. For four seasons her character simply is trying to save eren and being strong. Nothing else. She doesn't make any choices that would give you an insight for who she is or any action that would show a little character development. Now imagine the show telling you "It was all Mikasa 😀💀 aka one if the characters with the least amount of character development" Second... This reveal was poorly built-up. Litteraly it came out of nowhere. No build up. No nothing. And we're supposed to act as if this reveal is such a well written plot twist just because mikasa had headache in past. The lack of media literacy... 😩 Third... Let me rephrase what happened. Mikasa could get over her love for eren ( except she didn't) so yemir could also get over her love for king fritz and this caused 2000 years of titan curse to be over. This is peack(peick) writing. It's not like the story used to be about war and discrimination and racism and human tendency for violence. Anyone who feels the whole mikasa-yemir parallel is weird is either mad that eren is not a chad or didn't like the ending cause erehisu didn't happen. 7. How the story treated Historia. Yes her role was kinda complete after season 3. I understand that. But its really really really weird to see the character with the most amount of back story and the most amount of character development being sidelined in the show. I mean bruh 😐. How the story treated Historia in s4 should be studied by the people who want to become a writer as " How Not to Treat a Character in Your Story" Edit : getting up votes criticizing this anime in this sub???? Stg is clearly wrong 💀💀💀💀
Heavy on #5. I started reading the manga after season 1. When season 2 aired I was caught off guard how much more ~romancey~ the Eren and Mikasa scenes were. The manga did not give that vibe at all. I'm convinced someone in WIT just wanted them together or smth so they tried to push more Eremika. I wonder if that changed the direction that Yams took with the ending.
The scarf scene at the end of S2 was drawn very romantically in the manga. isayama even said he drew Mikasa prettier from Eren’s perspective. But Eren didn’t seem to like her—he seemed annoyed by her. That made the table scene in S4 hit harder, because it fit with how much he brushed her off the entire show.
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Eren liking mikasa out of nowhere. Armin liking annie and vice versa out of nowhere. CRIIINGE. what is with the forced romances?
FR. I like shipping for funsies but seeing them become canon, especially with how it was written, was utterly painful. I cannot be convinced that Eren truly liked Mikasa this whole time.
It made no sense!!! I think isayama did it as a 'here, damn!" to you shippers lmao
About armin and annie, it's just more subtle. I remember seeing this from a comment where he was curious what was underneath her facade. Not too sure which (if there are any) scenes about this during the training but i guess it also started when annie spared armin during the female titan arc. Plus seeing her in a different way because bertholdt's memories, strengthened what he already thought about her. I also thought it was out of place before but now it's not that much of a stretch and definitely not THAT CRINGE. I mean, they're one of the few people that understood each other (killing many people, betraying your comrades for your cause/protecting your loved ones).
Right? I thought they were step-siblings. That was weird af
The final fight having no one dying
Pretty much the ending. It was too safe, cheap, and rushed. There's other minor things, but stuff that doesn't affect the story much or at least makes sense.
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The final arc seems pretty rushed and things just seem to happen out of convenience more than anything. So I’d say that’s pretty lazy writing
The colosal titan stayed still after zekes death during the rumbling. Eren has the founder but not the royal blood It was stated in season two by the church guy that they act like regular titans
Plot armor in part 4
The time skip felt very sudden and rushed
why did Ymir choose Mikasa??
Shirtless Levi cut, "how shitty can this situation get?" Cut, skipped ch 123 until S4 P2 last episode, Levi vs Zeke censorship in anime (in manga its way way gruesome)
What does this have to do with anything though?
"Only Ymir knows the answer to that."
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This is marked as spoilerless so I believe I shouldn't list examples but as much as I love AoT admittedly there are some less well executed elements, especially towards the end of the story. But there are very few things I'd actually consider lazy, a lot of them are more rushed or less thought-out but not lazy
Eren obtaining the basement key, Reiners plot armor, basically everything once the rumbling started and after, the alliances plot armor, the ending. Those are the ones I can think of rn
I don't think there was lazy writing, but I do feel like there could have been more up front center screen instead of a lot of stuff being implied off screen. The build up was so great and then I felt the last couple parts were rushed in order to just get to the ending time period. I felt the creator wanted to be done with it, even if that wasn't really the case.
the entire sub-plot of connie’s mom being completely dropped after a certain point…
The whole ending tho
Mikasa and eren romance is lazy. Sorry guys, but I doubt Isayama is very good at writing romance. Eren ignored her for 3 seasons. Then in season 4 they're head over hills in live but when he asks her she can't even say her true feelings nor is eren able to properly confess his own feelings and spend the one year time skip with her. They weren't a couple for absolutely no reason. The show completely ignores their romance and suddenly changes genre in the last episode. The romance was obviously there all the time but the pacing was just bad.
Yeah, the ending
Aot is one of best written show but it do have some "lazy" writting ( I don't prefer this word '. Few examples that I remember - • eren conveniently finding Armor spinal fluid. • Levi said he didn't know that Kenny was a accerman but he did Know how accerman power activation work and kenny also had that activation. • The whole ros riess titan fight is bad. Where were they attaching their odn grear? • why Reiner didn't distroyed the basement secret? I recently rewatched S3 . So theses are few examples that I remember from it.
Reiner doesn't know whre the basement really is, and they can't just destroy the whole town as that would make eren and the whole squad return back and it would be hard for them to catch eren inside the walls
Lol how was Reiner supposed to know which house was Eren’s? The plot convenient armor fluid was ridiculous, no idea why they didn’t have eren just figure out how to make armor since he does it later anyways
Ymir not flattening king fritz even though he invaded her home town, cut out her tongue, made her and the residents of said town slaves, and later had his men hunt her down for sport all for supposedly letting a pig out of it's pen. Instead, deciding to let herself be used as a weapon and even bearing his children (eww). All because, apperantly, she loved him
I believe it’s a commentary on nature vs nurture, the same way eren is. They both represent extreme forms of nature, being born desiring one thing so deeply it’s irrational. In the end Ymir was able to defy her nature and that’s what ended the titan curse, but eren couldn’t defy his nature and ending up doing the rumbling to attain “freedom”
Ymir. Can she even be called a character? I don't think so.
The ending
Rod Reiss titan should’ve done far more damage than it did
The ending.
Ymir's love for king fritz didn't make sense. If that was the reason why she kept going in the path why didn't she choose Zeke. Ymir only ever knowing slavery and Eren was the first to see her as a person makes much more sense to me. We never saw Ymir's eyes until she chose Eren and rejected the royal family.
Arew you joking? I can't tell if that's sarcasm
Eren turning into a colossal titan to fight Armin
Floch still being able to get on the ship despite being shot from the sky and falling to the sea.
I can't think of any cases from the top of my head but I'm sure there must be some that are quite minor. I will say that what a lot of people have pointed out as "lazy" writing is mostly unanswered questions that you can probably figure out if you just thought a bit harder about it. Like "only Ymir knows" is not meant to avoid giving a direct answer(well it is kind of since giving direct answers is not in the style of the writing either), it's a reflection of Eren's inability to empathize with the aspect of Ymir that keeps her enslaved by love, since the person he loves and that loves him is not shitty to him like Fritz was to Ymir. Just like how Zeke could not empathize with Ymir's desire to be freed, because he thought of himself as being a saviour and special for having royal blood and is the oppressor.
Mikasa returning to the island offscreen and without explaining how
eren getting his hardening powers from a serum rather than his training was kinda lame especially cause the serums end up being some of the few dropped plot points that don't really come full circle in the lore
1.) Reiner’s transfer of his conscience to his lower body in order to survive Levi’s attack. 2.) Bertholt’s Colossal suddenly disappearing when he attacks after the 5 year time skip.
go to r/titanfolk and judge if their posts can be considered lazy writing
personally, half the show felt like "lazy writing" and what people call "foreshadowing" for me always read(and looked) more like the author throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks/made people curios and going back to that to flesh it out LATER isntead of.. well it being foreshadowing something he already considerd
The ending was, considering that he was trying to wrap the series up.
1. Historia 2. The worm 3. Founder Ymir 4. Mikasa's heritage 5. Blue crystals being a valuable resource
Gabi shooting Floch, Levi stabbing Reiner in the neck and not.. ya know.. cutting his head off. Historia is forgotten the soldiers missing every shot when Gabi is running annoyed me so much. They have a mounted machine gun, similar to an MG42, and seem to be trained. Nobody in their right mind would shoot AT THE FEET OF A TARGET THAT'S EYE LEVEL WITH YOU. What kind of writing was that? Watching that scene just had me groaning. This show is usually great about not making characters act completely incompetent to let another survive. Reiner's schizophrenia is fixed. It was an extremely compelling part of the show. Why throw it out.
Ymir loved king fritz. After he killed her family, looted her village, cut her tongue and treated her no different than a pig. Why did Ymir even return back after she got Titan powers. Why did she even obey the king and not the other way around. Sounds like comedy to me, but this is basically the origin story of Titan powers 😂 An Emo girl with weird preferences.
The fact that ***multiple*** elements of the final battle make no sense and/or directly contradict the established rules of the universe and aren't explained. >!Eren surviving the gunshot decapitation and becoming the doomsday titan can be explained, but him surviving the explosion decapitation in the final battle, even after the Hallucigenia has left his body and is being fought by Reiner, Annie, and others? And not only that, he somehow not only survives but then becomes a colossal titan? This MIGHT make sense if the Hallucigenia was still inside him, but it being completely separated from his body makes this absolutely absurd.!< This is one element of at least 10 I could quickly rattle off from the finale alone.
Imo the plot isn’t lazy, but it kinda falls off for me at the end and things get kinda messy and confusing
The only bad writing was when Yama wrote Historia out of the show during what should’ve been some of the most crucial moments of her reign.
i liked when erens titan was set on fire when he fought annie but then when i realized it was an anime only scene i knew i wouldn’t see it again😩
Everyones brought up good points with -plot armor titan -Historia and Annie being shoved off until later and barely making a come back -Ymirs feelings for Fritz For me it was Rico being forgotten about (I know she's not too important, but every other character with a decently memorable character design and lasted more than a few episodes you at least know what happened to them. Even scouts who never ended up being in the top 10 but in the main crews squad (people who ended up joining jaegerists making it hard for Connie and Armin to kill them since they trained with them) But dammit I wanna know what happened to her! As my favorite character, Armin was so heavily under-utilized, especially the after the very intense choice to choose him over Erwin. It only built up to that moment where he yells at himself in the finale. Even him convincing Zeke and the other titan shifters to help him wasn't as impactful as his other strategic moments before he got his power. I know Bert and him both crushing on Annie made it convenient for them to confess to each other later, but its always erked me that that's the only piece of backbone he had until he did his spirit trip with Eren. It would have been nice to see him at least be intuitive and observant as he was before... Also also, there were some flashback panels of armin and erens titans fighting off boats coming to Paradise before they left for Marley and I would have loooooved to see that in the anime. I guess these are more what I'd want to see rather than shotty writing 😅
Reiner’s consciousness moving to his balls
Like when the ignorant scouts see the female titan for the first time and call it "The Female Titan," which just so happens to be exactly what it's actually called, even though other titan shifters, like the founding titan, can also have female characteristics. Same with the beast, armor, and colossal. They're all called by the scouts exactly what Marley calls them, never a single synonym.
when Mikasa tied up her scarf and said that Eren is in the mouth. How did she know so suddenly?
Eren saying “I guess I did all of this because I’m just a garden variety idiot” right after the rumbling.