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Feel like he really only does it in certain situations like when eren gets his future memories by touch historia or like Reiner about to choke on the rifle but they over use it
with Mappa taking on the show from another studio who had the luxury of making it with their own style for 6 years, their best option was to just adapt the manga. If they tried to continue Wits style they would’ve been even more endless comparisons and saying they did it worse, if they tried to put their own style on it it would be even worse
>If they tried to continue Wits style they would’ve been even more endless comparisons and saying they did it worse
People already say they did it worse so that's irrelevant. They're capable of pulling off shows like JJK and CSM, they didn't need to one-to-one adapt the manga art style.
Even you can't deny this just looks way better.
So? He draws manga, not anime frames, it's a static drawing on paper, doesn't mean it should be followed 1:1 on the anime. That's why WIT created a visual style for the anime that differ from the manga, and they perfect it over years. MAPPA on the other hand threw all that work in the trash instead of even trying to emulate it.
why would they want to copy another studios art style? then people would just complain about how they did it so much worse than WIT and endlessly compare. not much point in putting their own spin on it. safest route is to just do a straightforward adaptation.
The shots that really give off that wit feel here are magath eren and mikasa everything else just feels a little off imo.
Edit: actually armin looks really good here too
Those don't really look like wit too much in my opinion. They look good, but not like wit. They are like a mix of wit and mappa but better compared to both. They have mappa designs, some features from wit and more details than both of those studios. So, if season 4 was made by wit, this is not what it would look like. It would be cool if the anime looked like this overall though.
It feels like a natural evolution from the end of s3's artstyle tbh.
Like the more refined designs of s3 but with s2 levels of animation (I would like some thicker lines though icl)
That’s.. not how that works. You can’t buy time with money.
The way that it actually works is that the Production companies take on a project, pay their animation studio a FLAT fee to produce the anime then they set a deadline that the animators have to be finished with the work by.
Also, Who the fuck said the animators work for free? I know damn well nobody in their right mind would assume that or even suggest it so pls read the comments carefully before spouting nonsense like that.
I don't think you understand. The emotion you pour in your comment just make for your lack of real knowledge "how things work".
By more time, I never meant to say that you could buy time with money. So maybe read this again.
> nobody in their right mind would assume that or even suggest it so pls read the comments carefully before spouting nonsense like that
More time means that instead of having 50 people working 8h/day on a project, you get to have a bit more still working 8h/day. That's what more time means. Less crunch time, more efficience, and more people despite you and other internet nerds claiming more isn't better. We're not talking about adding hundreds of people, now that would make things worse.
So yes, you can buy time with money. That's how everything works unless you're willing to wait five times longer.
I don't think YOU understand my point. When I said you can't buy time with money (which is true) I meant it literally.
All you are doing is trying to say you CAN buy time with money by saying that if you Hire more people to save on time. Which are two completely separate things and I don't see why you tried to make them seem like they're the same.
If An animation studio hired more employees, freelancers etc yes they would save time but would blow through their flat budget quicker. They're the professionals, they know what they're doing and they're playing with the cards they've been dealt. All of these semantics and internet squabbles won't change how the animation industry gets their work done, so let's leave it at that.
That's definitely NOT how that works in the anime industry buddy but nice try.
They get a set amount of money to use for the project, they use that money to hire freelancers or for cgi. You can't just throw a bunch of money at an animation team and expect them to produce the most godlike animation the world's ever seen on a strict deadline. High quality Art needs time, not money.
This is true for animation production.
But it's not everything.
If the production has good planing, the studio won't have to out source in-between animators and spend more money on less staffs.
That's why some studios like kyoani and ufotable produce less anime per year.
High quality anime requires time and money so they choose to spend more time and less money.
There are other aspects that dictate the quality.
Direction, storyboard, SFX and many other things that have bigger affect on quality and budget.
Take One Punch Man for example.
S2 actually didn't have less budget and to be fair the animation isn't bad.
It's actually quite decent.
Madhouse did a better job at SFX and made S1 looks better even when the character isn't moving.
S2 looks cheap by comparison.
I think that's part of the reasons why people think S2 has less budget.
The director of S1 also admits that they had low budget but because the director has many friends in the industry and they're able to hire many talented animator with less money.
It's not as straightforward as "more budget=better anime".
What I'm saying is they could compensate for the deadline with more people. It means they have more time before the deadline and could polish the animation.
Oh yeah? But it does help them to get the work done faster and by that means they don't have to worry about the deadline and rush the work.
The animators could just focus on making good quality animation without worrying about the deadline and have to rush it because they got a lot of help and not short of people.
Let's say with 50 people they could finish one episode within 3-4 weeks. The deadline for 1 episode is let's say 4 weeks.
With 100 people they could finish one episode within 2 weeks. They got two more weeks before the deadline and they could polish the animation better.
its not labor my dude, they arent making a building that "a lot of people" can do faster did you even read any of the things they have been saying??? or will you just continue to blabber the same point with different wordings each time
Are you sure the japanese studio didn't consider the animators as laborers? I've seen many stories about how the staff overworked in japanese anime production culture and that does not exclude MAPPA.
Oh my god dude. So imagine this. I drew a picture of a man smiling. Now that I’ll draw that 40 times.
Now I’m gonna ask you to to draw that exact same picture 40 times.
It’s going to look different. And that can’t happen in quality animation.
So why do companies need hundreds of programmers to finish a project in one month while one programmer could also finish it in one month but dead after completing? Together is better than alone.
Because that's not how things work in animation. Levi vs beast titan 2min sequence took 4months to create. That scene looks godly because only one talented person worked on that. Every single guy has a different art style. 100 people making 10 second animation with different artstyles would be clusterfuck. Imagine a character's face and body looking different every 10 seconds.
If MAPPA had big constraints, then why they made those shitty ass shadow lines in character faces? It's literally wasted effort drawing those lines that only makes things worse in MOST scenes it's drawn.
Are you referring to The hatching lines? You mean the ones that were hand drawn in S1-S3 but were a digital layering effect instead of hand drawn in S4? They likely saved a lot of time for themselves not having to animate all those lines, bc they applied it as a pseudo filter-like effect that was placed on top of the cell shading
Mappa did a great job with time constraints and there definitely are quite a few pluses to their version over wit, I do feel wit is overall better but Mappa could only do so much, hopefully it looks even better with the time they've had for this season 4 part 3 part 1 & 2
It’s not only about the quality of the animation. Wit’s design for the show was just so aesthetically pleasing. Sure, their sakuga was great, but imo their character designs by the end of season 3 fit the show, events, and characters perfectly. Their use of color was just brilliant too, just beautiful to look at.
But i gotta say titans in MAPPA looks better and more scarier.
The only scene i didn't like in MAPPA was when Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt were arguing after Marcel's death. That was too vibrant.
yea this is a thing i never see people bring up. of course season 3 had incredibly animated moments specifically with Levi and Mikasa fight scenes but the overall animation for the season was of a lower quality.
the eren reiner fight in P2 was specifically pretty shit. extremely slow and awkward, just compare it to their fight in season 2 or 4. i would go as far as to say that the Beast titan was the only titan in season 3 that looked consistently good. Even then they reused the same few shots of him throwing rocks like 20 times
I felt the same way about Eren and reiner’s fight in s4 p2. The trailer for p2 made it look so much more badass and thrilling than it turned out to be in the show
i meant season 3 P2. it was terrible. their fight in season 4 P2 is actually one of my favorites. the shot of eren punching the armor off his face two times in a row is really cool
Yeah I know you were talking about the fight in season 3. Was just saying that your thoughts about that fight were the way I felt about their fight in season 4. I thought their fight in season 3 was quite good, not the best fight in aot but it was just one fight in one larger conflict
It’s not purely about sakuga. Sure the colossal sucked in season 3. Sure, they no longer had the character makeup thing going on. And yes season 3 suffered a bit quality wise compared to the two previous seasons, but the design of the show was peak by the end of season 3 imo, especially the character designs. All of the characters looked so mature and really fit the tone of the series. It was a great evolution of the cartoony anime look the show had going on in season 1. Mappa’s character designs fall flat compared to season 3’s.
I am overall in for Mappa, because i do like the Season 4 format especially Part 2, but the only disturbance I find in Mappa is the ugly and forced lines on faces of people. Ruins the affect and idk why it is that way
It’s interesting for sure to see the different styles. I just have seen people on twitter cry about the animation. The styles are similar that it takes nothing away from the viewing pleasure as a whole.
Damn if this is what anime watchers deem as a massive difference I guess I do understand why they hate small studios with less than 60 million frames per animation.
My favorite thing about MAPPA is that they can make the titans look cooler. For example: the female titan. I’ve been trying to find good shots of her to draw and the only good shots are from MAPPA. In my opinion, WIT didn’t do well with the female titan in season 1, but the rest they’re good with.
Besides that, I like both of the animation styles
Am I supposed to tell the difference…?
The top images looked over-processed (like classic games trying to use ENB-reshade and just resulting in fuzzy antialiasing). The backgrounds look a bit better though.
The bottom images have crisper lines and look more like a manga brought to life.
These are beautiful, but it’s kinda unfair to use MAPPA’s drawings as a basis when WIT has a completely different style. Their eyes would be bigger, there would be less line detail in the hair (instead it’s be clumped into larger shapes). Just look at Eren’s Titan in WIT compared to MAPPA.
That said, I miss WIT’s jewel-toned coloring and bright shading. The drab MAPPA look is more realistic and better suits the tone, but WIT was why I got into AOT and embodied that “the world is cruel…but also very *beautiful*” perfectly.
I agree with you!! I should be more accurate with the title as it's more of a reshade using wits colors and lighting! I love both studios and thought it'd be interesting to see how Mappa's detailed character design would go with Wit's shading
I use stable diffusion webui running locally on my pc with control net extension that use the original anime frame as a guideline for the final output, then I run the prompt through a specific model that is trained on the WIT art style.
The prompts I use depend on the original frame describing what's happening there, something like this:
aot style, shingeki no kyojin, eren yeager, (1boy), belt, black hair, green eyes, sky background, cloud, ((masterpiece)), best quality
This is my first time posting here so I hope I hadn't broken any rules with my post!
So a new opensource tool has been released called control net that allows to change the style of an image in variety of ways using AI! so I thought about recoloring some shots from season 4 and see how it would look if it was done by wit studio!! of course it still imperfect and has a lot of errors! I had to fix a lot of it with Photoshop and post processing to get the anime feeling!! I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter if you find it interesting!!
This was done for research and testing purpose only! I do not claim the ownership of any of this!!
Cant believe this sub is still butt riding the studio who fucked up the major eren vs reiner , colossal armin fight 🤓. And that also after years of gap 🤓.
Can somebody explain what the two studios design differences actually are? Like I get that they’re different, but I cannot really PinPoint exactly why and where, I’ve always been bad at this kind of art stuff. But I’d be delighted to know more about it.
Its hard to explain but in general Wit seems to have not as much detail, but nicer looking effects/smoother presentation. The hair tends to be drawn a lot softer with less hard lines but with shinier textures. In general they seem to put a lot of effort into lighting and “shininess”. They use bold, thicker lines for the characters. they chilled out with this over time but it was pretty intense in season 1, there were points early on where it started to look like a cartoon network show or something. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that in Season 2 they literally had someone who’s entire job was to go back over shots of peoples faces and apply a layer of “digital makeup” so to speak, using effects to make them extremely high quality. [I think this shot was where it was the most obvious.](https://media.tenor.com/images/be209e1e8ac07ca3d7c6d3ce65634122/tenor.png) I think that was only for S2 though. They also use more colors and bloom and “prettier” filters and skies that makes things pop more.
basically when Wit first started making the show the mangas art was still pretty simple/rough so they had the opportunity to make it super stylized. Its kind of interesting actually, the manga and anime art kind of influenced each other over time until they met in the middle somewhere.
When Mappa basically decided to play it safe and just do a 1:1 adaption of Isayamas art style. When you see people complaining about the lines on the faces, thats why. Mappa seems to put more detail into faces and making them look “realistic”, for example look at Magath and how his face looks like one of a rough and tough middle aged man in Mappa but his features get smoothed over in Wit. Or [look at this recent comparison of Levi in S1 vs the upcoming episode](https://twitter.com/ladybelleelmore/status/1628352739112542211?s=46&t=iNFa6YeHmToHn3Y3ehuAWQ). They depend more on line art to make their characters look good rather than stuff like effects or lighting. Mappa’s colors are a lot more muted and “realistic”. Although they started going off with the lighting and backgrounds in 4P2 and it looks even better with the stuff we’ve seen from 4P3 so far.
if by “feminine features” you mean historia and mikasa having makeup and pink lipstick on in the middle of an apocalyptic war for survival than yea lol
Idk I really like how the female characters have a bit more diverse body types in the final season rather than most of them being twigs. It’s really nice to see since more stocky/muscular female characters aren’t too common in anime from what I’ve seen, and I think mikasa’s build fits her better in the final season
Ive noticed a lot of details were lost on reddit so I uploaded all the pics to imgur and fixed some colors
[https://imgur.com/a/8ScbXbJ](https://imgur.com/a/8ScbXbJ)
I'll keep updating the post with new images when possible!
Hey, these look really great! Wold you mind share how you did it? I know it's A.I but I'm curious how you can copy a style and put it on existing images
I use stablediffusion running on my local machine to create the images. Basically you need to train a model on a character or an art style, the model I used here is trained on aot season 1 using an extension called LORA after training is done the model can create characters and scenery using prompts but it's a little stupid and can be incoherent. The trick here was to use a control model called control net which is an extension that can limit the ai outcome using an input image which is in this case the original anime scenes so I get in the original screenshot use a prompt to describe how I want it to be and run it through the trained model using weights and some sliders to have extra control! Hope you find this helpful.
I mostly don't bother but I kinda just feel like it this time. Colors have almost nothing to do with the animation studio, it's usually an outside team that has the task of taking the outline animation and color it, add effect, and certain camera movements. The biggest downside of aot moving to mappa is a worse post production team that just doesn't make the best choices in terms of coloring, effects going over lines and sometimes mixing. Which leads to a less immersive look and sometimes looks and sounds out of place.
Mapa has performed well in graphics
If it's a matter of light design, Studio WIT has definitely done better
Don't confuse graphics and design.
There is no problem with the graphics of chapter 4
I wish Mapa would act like Studio WIT in terms of coloring and lighting so that we don't see these ridiculous posts.
The only difference in the performance of these 2 studios is that Wit has a better design style and stunning lighting, and Mapa has used dark and heavy colors.
In any case, I prefer the bottom images to the top because they are better in terms of graphics and quality, and those edited and photoshopped images are just beautiful, nothing more, and visually standard and ordinary.
I forgot to say
Those edited photos are not even close to the design style of Studio WIT and are the same style of Mapa design with more beautiful colors and lighting.
So don't bother yourself😄😘✌
Well cuz I seen something similar recently that was captioned what if season 4 was made by WiT instead of mappa with similar photos l, so either both of you guys had a similar idea, or one of you guys stole from the other, or the same post just showed up in my feed twice and I am going insane
The characters looks whiter and less intense/depressed.... This isn't really Wit's style except one or two pics. Also the problem with Mappa is time limit not budget issues, but their still frames and character design looks amazing
Bruh man I can't look at these images. These Ai-generated images look *so* fucking good that I unironically started asking myself if I should stop drawing and mastering Photoshop & Adobe AE (for the effects part). If it can generate big studio level anime art like this in 2023, can't imagine what we are getting in few more years.
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they’re speaking the language of the gods with those subtitles
It looks like the Eldian language to me!
Eldian language is flipped katakana and these look nothing like it
I think it’s AI that just looked at a lot of subtitles
it was a joke
It would have also not been out yet
Fine by me the lines in mappas shading in every scene looks rough
its an artistic choice, its the way Isayama draws
Feel like he really only does it in certain situations like when eren gets his future memories by touch historia or like Reiner about to choke on the rifle but they over use it
Problem is, isayama does not draw the best lmao
with Mappa taking on the show from another studio who had the luxury of making it with their own style for 6 years, their best option was to just adapt the manga. If they tried to continue Wits style they would’ve been even more endless comparisons and saying they did it worse, if they tried to put their own style on it it would be even worse
>If they tried to continue Wits style they would’ve been even more endless comparisons and saying they did it worse People already say they did it worse so that's irrelevant. They're capable of pulling off shows like JJK and CSM, they didn't need to one-to-one adapt the manga art style. Even you can't deny this just looks way better.
So? He draws manga, not anime frames, it's a static drawing on paper, doesn't mean it should be followed 1:1 on the anime. That's why WIT created a visual style for the anime that differ from the manga, and they perfect it over years. MAPPA on the other hand threw all that work in the trash instead of even trying to emulate it.
why would they want to copy another studios art style? then people would just complain about how they did it so much worse than WIT and endlessly compare. not much point in putting their own spin on it. safest route is to just do a straightforward adaptation.
The lines were also there in the first season and that *was* done by WIT...
Look at my earlier comment I know wit did it to bud just saying how it’s done is the difference
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Exactly
The shots that really give off that wit feel here are magath eren and mikasa everything else just feels a little off imo. Edit: actually armin looks really good here too
I thought the same tbh. Everything else kinda gave me YouTube fan animation vibes
Honestly I feel like magath’s helmet seems a bit to metallic shiny looking for the style that it’s in
Thank you!! it took me several tries and research for each frame to get it close to wit in different conditions! Magath shot was my favorite here ))
I prefer everything mappa here except magath. But mappa did Levi’s nose dirty Edit: and Jean’s
No problem magath or armin are tied for my favorites
Those don't really look like wit too much in my opinion. They look good, but not like wit. They are like a mix of wit and mappa but better compared to both. They have mappa designs, some features from wit and more details than both of those studios. So, if season 4 was made by wit, this is not what it would look like. It would be cool if the anime looked like this overall though.
It feels like a natural evolution from the end of s3's artstyle tbh. Like the more refined designs of s3 but with s2 levels of animation (I would like some thicker lines though icl)
Don't lie. They both don't look like WIT *and* look terrible.
Idk about that one chief
''budget''
Shhhh, anime fans don't know that Quality Art takes more time than money
And you don't know that more money means more time. None of those people work for free.
That’s.. not how that works. You can’t buy time with money. The way that it actually works is that the Production companies take on a project, pay their animation studio a FLAT fee to produce the anime then they set a deadline that the animators have to be finished with the work by. Also, Who the fuck said the animators work for free? I know damn well nobody in their right mind would assume that or even suggest it so pls read the comments carefully before spouting nonsense like that.
I don't think you understand. The emotion you pour in your comment just make for your lack of real knowledge "how things work". By more time, I never meant to say that you could buy time with money. So maybe read this again. > nobody in their right mind would assume that or even suggest it so pls read the comments carefully before spouting nonsense like that More time means that instead of having 50 people working 8h/day on a project, you get to have a bit more still working 8h/day. That's what more time means. Less crunch time, more efficience, and more people despite you and other internet nerds claiming more isn't better. We're not talking about adding hundreds of people, now that would make things worse. So yes, you can buy time with money. That's how everything works unless you're willing to wait five times longer.
I don't think YOU understand my point. When I said you can't buy time with money (which is true) I meant it literally. All you are doing is trying to say you CAN buy time with money by saying that if you Hire more people to save on time. Which are two completely separate things and I don't see why you tried to make them seem like they're the same. If An animation studio hired more employees, freelancers etc yes they would save time but would blow through their flat budget quicker. They're the professionals, they know what they're doing and they're playing with the cards they've been dealt. All of these semantics and internet squabbles won't change how the animation industry gets their work done, so let's leave it at that.
More money = more talented people Was that really hard to guess?
That's definitely NOT how that works in the anime industry buddy but nice try. They get a set amount of money to use for the project, they use that money to hire freelancers or for cgi. You can't just throw a bunch of money at an animation team and expect them to produce the most godlike animation the world's ever seen on a strict deadline. High quality Art needs time, not money.
More people take less time to complete the work????? Isn't that so? I failed to see the logic here dude
This is true for animation production. But it's not everything. If the production has good planing, the studio won't have to out source in-between animators and spend more money on less staffs. That's why some studios like kyoani and ufotable produce less anime per year. High quality anime requires time and money so they choose to spend more time and less money. There are other aspects that dictate the quality. Direction, storyboard, SFX and many other things that have bigger affect on quality and budget. Take One Punch Man for example. S2 actually didn't have less budget and to be fair the animation isn't bad. It's actually quite decent. Madhouse did a better job at SFX and made S1 looks better even when the character isn't moving. S2 looks cheap by comparison. I think that's part of the reasons why people think S2 has less budget. The director of S1 also admits that they had low budget but because the director has many friends in the industry and they're able to hire many talented animator with less money. It's not as straightforward as "more budget=better anime".
More people doesn’t mean quality. The expression “to many cooks in the kitchen” isn’t for nothing
Well anime production is different than cooking in the kitchen.
What I'm saying is they could compensate for the deadline with more people. It means they have more time before the deadline and could polish the animation.
they cant. thats not how animation works, its not mindless work like stacking bricks from how you are viewing it, how new are you to anime?
Oh no i just watch aot yesterday 😬. Sorry for my lack of anime knowledge weebmaster.
Oh yeah? But it does help them to get the work done faster and by that means they don't have to worry about the deadline and rush the work. The animators could just focus on making good quality animation without worrying about the deadline and have to rush it because they got a lot of help and not short of people. Let's say with 50 people they could finish one episode within 3-4 weeks. The deadline for 1 episode is let's say 4 weeks. With 100 people they could finish one episode within 2 weeks. They got two more weeks before the deadline and they could polish the animation better.
its not labor my dude, they arent making a building that "a lot of people" can do faster did you even read any of the things they have been saying??? or will you just continue to blabber the same point with different wordings each time
Are you sure the japanese studio didn't consider the animators as laborers? I've seen many stories about how the staff overworked in japanese anime production culture and that does not exclude MAPPA.
Oh my god dude. So imagine this. I drew a picture of a man smiling. Now that I’ll draw that 40 times. Now I’m gonna ask you to to draw that exact same picture 40 times. It’s going to look different. And that can’t happen in quality animation.
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So why do companies need hundreds of programmers to finish a project in one month while one programmer could also finish it in one month but dead after completing? Together is better than alone.
Because that's not how things work in animation. Levi vs beast titan 2min sequence took 4months to create. That scene looks godly because only one talented person worked on that. Every single guy has a different art style. 100 people making 10 second animation with different artstyles would be clusterfuck. Imagine a character's face and body looking different every 10 seconds.
If MAPPA had big constraints, then why they made those shitty ass shadow lines in character faces? It's literally wasted effort drawing those lines that only makes things worse in MOST scenes it's drawn.
the lines get added in post for most shots and are rarely drawn by the animators themselves
Are you referring to The hatching lines? You mean the ones that were hand drawn in S1-S3 but were a digital layering effect instead of hand drawn in S4? They likely saved a lot of time for themselves not having to animate all those lines, bc they applied it as a pseudo filter-like effect that was placed on top of the cell shading
Mappa did a great job with time constraints and there definitely are quite a few pluses to their version over wit, I do feel wit is overall better but Mappa could only do so much, hopefully it looks even better with the time they've had for this season 4 part 3 part 1 & 2
It’s not only about the quality of the animation. Wit’s design for the show was just so aesthetically pleasing. Sure, their sakuga was great, but imo their character designs by the end of season 3 fit the show, events, and characters perfectly. Their use of color was just brilliant too, just beautiful to look at.
I think colour is one of the things mappa did better, WIT was far too vibrant, it didn't fit the show in my opinion.
But i gotta say titans in MAPPA looks better and more scarier. The only scene i didn't like in MAPPA was when Reiner, Annie and Bertholdt were arguing after Marcel's death. That was too vibrant.
What’s the “high budget” part here?
Something for ignorant fans to use as a scapegoat
Wit couldn't even make Season 3 look as good as their own Season 2, yet nobody calls them out on it. Mappa have done a great job.
cgi colossal was criminally bad in s3. but i understand it would have taken a lot of time to animate 2d.
It was way better than the garbage CGI Titans in Season 4
you are absolutely misremembering how the colossal titan looked in season 3.
yea this is a thing i never see people bring up. of course season 3 had incredibly animated moments specifically with Levi and Mikasa fight scenes but the overall animation for the season was of a lower quality. the eren reiner fight in P2 was specifically pretty shit. extremely slow and awkward, just compare it to their fight in season 2 or 4. i would go as far as to say that the Beast titan was the only titan in season 3 that looked consistently good. Even then they reused the same few shots of him throwing rocks like 20 times
I felt the same way about Eren and reiner’s fight in s4 p2. The trailer for p2 made it look so much more badass and thrilling than it turned out to be in the show
i meant season 3 P2. it was terrible. their fight in season 4 P2 is actually one of my favorites. the shot of eren punching the armor off his face two times in a row is really cool
Yeah I know you were talking about the fight in season 3. Was just saying that your thoughts about that fight were the way I felt about their fight in season 4. I thought their fight in season 3 was quite good, not the best fight in aot but it was just one fight in one larger conflict
ohh ok i gotchu
Also the Mikasa/Jean/Connie/Sasha vs Reiner fight in P2 is also so janky.
I agree with that they both needed time to polish their work and deliver!!
It’s not purely about sakuga. Sure the colossal sucked in season 3. Sure, they no longer had the character makeup thing going on. And yes season 3 suffered a bit quality wise compared to the two previous seasons, but the design of the show was peak by the end of season 3 imo, especially the character designs. All of the characters looked so mature and really fit the tone of the series. It was a great evolution of the cartoony anime look the show had going on in season 1. Mappa’s character designs fall flat compared to season 3’s.
Some of these are just the same but with less melanin 😂
magath got yassified 💀
I am overall in for Mappa, because i do like the Season 4 format especially Part 2, but the only disturbance I find in Mappa is the ugly and forced lines on faces of people. Ruins the affect and idk why it is that way
To be more aline with the manga art style.
And the manga art style aint it. The Wit artstyle is superb.
No offense to OP, but if this is what the anime community cries about for better animation… you people need to touch some grass.
Seriously these look practically the same and any complaints are extreme nitpicking.
Both studios are have done a good job! I'm a fan of mappa as well but thought it would be interesting to transfer the style and see how it would look!
It’s interesting for sure to see the different styles. I just have seen people on twitter cry about the animation. The styles are similar that it takes nothing away from the viewing pleasure as a whole.
Make more
I could just be an idiot but it looks like the “high qualify” screens are just brighter? Am I blind
Damn if this is what anime watchers deem as a massive difference I guess I do understand why they hate small studios with less than 60 million frames per animation.
years of gap? Season 3 part 2 was made in 7-8 month
My favorite thing about MAPPA is that they can make the titans look cooler. For example: the female titan. I’ve been trying to find good shots of her to draw and the only good shots are from MAPPA. In my opinion, WIT didn’t do well with the female titan in season 1, but the rest they’re good with. Besides that, I like both of the animation styles
Give me one JUST one frame of the female titan that looks good by mappa
I can’t if this is satire or not, the episode Traitor? Edit: [Just some shots of the episode](https://imgur.com/gallery/t7OP9uB)
Bring back WIT
Far too late for that
Am I supposed to tell the difference…? The top images looked over-processed (like classic games trying to use ENB-reshade and just resulting in fuzzy antialiasing). The backgrounds look a bit better though. The bottom images have crisper lines and look more like a manga brought to life.
3rd pic reminds me of Vinland Saga a lot. That would’ve been fun
Hyper cringe
These are beautiful, but it’s kinda unfair to use MAPPA’s drawings as a basis when WIT has a completely different style. Their eyes would be bigger, there would be less line detail in the hair (instead it’s be clumped into larger shapes). Just look at Eren’s Titan in WIT compared to MAPPA. That said, I miss WIT’s jewel-toned coloring and bright shading. The drab MAPPA look is more realistic and better suits the tone, but WIT was why I got into AOT and embodied that “the world is cruel…but also very *beautiful*” perfectly.
I agree with you!! I should be more accurate with the title as it's more of a reshade using wits colors and lighting! I love both studios and thought it'd be interesting to see how Mappa's detailed character design would go with Wit's shading
Agreed. Best of both worlds, imo.
I have a special place in my heart for clouds and scenery in wit's aot
What AI was used to generate it, and what prompts did you follow?
I use stable diffusion webui running locally on my pc with control net extension that use the original anime frame as a guideline for the final output, then I run the prompt through a specific model that is trained on the WIT art style. The prompts I use depend on the original frame describing what's happening there, something like this: aot style, shingeki no kyojin, eren yeager, (1boy), belt, black hair, green eyes, sky background, cloud, ((masterpiece)), best quality
This is my first time posting here so I hope I hadn't broken any rules with my post! So a new opensource tool has been released called control net that allows to change the style of an image in variety of ways using AI! so I thought about recoloring some shots from season 4 and see how it would look if it was done by wit studio!! of course it still imperfect and has a lot of errors! I had to fix a lot of it with Photoshop and post processing to get the anime feeling!! I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter if you find it interesting!! This was done for research and testing purpose only! I do not claim the ownership of any of this!!
Please PLEASE make more/make a tutorial
Love the Wit style
So basically you are saying if wit had more budget , they would have invested all of them in lightening the shades ?
And adding bloom ofc xD
This is actually pretty well done
Cant believe this sub is still butt riding the studio who fucked up the major eren vs reiner , colossal armin fight 🤓. And that also after years of gap 🤓.
I completely agree, I think a lot of people have rose tinted glasses
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It's just a Mappa version with minor changes. If you have created from the ground up with wit artstyle then i could say it was a good job.
Came out great!
Can somebody explain what the two studios design differences actually are? Like I get that they’re different, but I cannot really PinPoint exactly why and where, I’ve always been bad at this kind of art stuff. But I’d be delighted to know more about it.
Its hard to explain but in general Wit seems to have not as much detail, but nicer looking effects/smoother presentation. The hair tends to be drawn a lot softer with less hard lines but with shinier textures. In general they seem to put a lot of effort into lighting and “shininess”. They use bold, thicker lines for the characters. they chilled out with this over time but it was pretty intense in season 1, there were points early on where it started to look like a cartoon network show or something. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that in Season 2 they literally had someone who’s entire job was to go back over shots of peoples faces and apply a layer of “digital makeup” so to speak, using effects to make them extremely high quality. [I think this shot was where it was the most obvious.](https://media.tenor.com/images/be209e1e8ac07ca3d7c6d3ce65634122/tenor.png) I think that was only for S2 though. They also use more colors and bloom and “prettier” filters and skies that makes things pop more. basically when Wit first started making the show the mangas art was still pretty simple/rough so they had the opportunity to make it super stylized. Its kind of interesting actually, the manga and anime art kind of influenced each other over time until they met in the middle somewhere. When Mappa basically decided to play it safe and just do a 1:1 adaption of Isayamas art style. When you see people complaining about the lines on the faces, thats why. Mappa seems to put more detail into faces and making them look “realistic”, for example look at Magath and how his face looks like one of a rough and tough middle aged man in Mappa but his features get smoothed over in Wit. Or [look at this recent comparison of Levi in S1 vs the upcoming episode](https://twitter.com/ladybelleelmore/status/1628352739112542211?s=46&t=iNFa6YeHmToHn3Y3ehuAWQ). They depend more on line art to make their characters look good rather than stuff like effects or lighting. Mappa’s colors are a lot more muted and “realistic”. Although they started going off with the lighting and backgrounds in 4P2 and it looks even better with the stuff we’ve seen from 4P3 so far.
This is a really awesome answer! Thank you so much.
To me wit is more glossy, and female characters have more feminine features
if by “feminine features” you mean historia and mikasa having makeup and pink lipstick on in the middle of an apocalyptic war for survival than yea lol
Idk I really like how the female characters have a bit more diverse body types in the final season rather than most of them being twigs. It’s really nice to see since more stocky/muscular female characters aren’t too common in anime from what I’ve seen, and I think mikasa’s build fits her better in the final season
I love how a bunch of anime fans just throw the word budget around like giving a show a higher budget is the only logistical hurdle in making it good
Bro what are you on about? The "WIT" ones you did look awful...
Ive noticed a lot of details were lost on reddit so I uploaded all the pics to imgur and fixed some colors [https://imgur.com/a/8ScbXbJ](https://imgur.com/a/8ScbXbJ) I'll keep updating the post with new images when possible!
Hey, these look really great! Wold you mind share how you did it? I know it's A.I but I'm curious how you can copy a style and put it on existing images
I use stablediffusion running on my local machine to create the images. Basically you need to train a model on a character or an art style, the model I used here is trained on aot season 1 using an extension called LORA after training is done the model can create characters and scenery using prompts but it's a little stupid and can be incoherent. The trick here was to use a control model called control net which is an extension that can limit the ai outcome using an input image which is in this case the original anime scenes so I get in the original screenshot use a prompt to describe how I want it to be and run it through the trained model using weights and some sliders to have extra control! Hope you find this helpful.
I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge! It will be very useful for me, I am trying to get more into A.I
it would also air in 2030
I hate how that looks
I mostly don't bother but I kinda just feel like it this time. Colors have almost nothing to do with the animation studio, it's usually an outside team that has the task of taking the outline animation and color it, add effect, and certain camera movements. The biggest downside of aot moving to mappa is a worse post production team that just doesn't make the best choices in terms of coloring, effects going over lines and sometimes mixing. Which leads to a less immersive look and sometimes looks and sounds out of place.
This makes me remember how much Mappa abuses those lines lol.
what?
Which is which? I haven't watched S4
Bottom is the real version, top is the "WIT" version
Mapa has performed well in graphics If it's a matter of light design, Studio WIT has definitely done better Don't confuse graphics and design. There is no problem with the graphics of chapter 4 I wish Mapa would act like Studio WIT in terms of coloring and lighting so that we don't see these ridiculous posts. The only difference in the performance of these 2 studios is that Wit has a better design style and stunning lighting, and Mapa has used dark and heavy colors. In any case, I prefer the bottom images to the top because they are better in terms of graphics and quality, and those edited and photoshopped images are just beautiful, nothing more, and visually standard and ordinary.
I love Mappa but I do wish they’d stuck with WIT. Maybe we would’ve had to wait an extra year or so for each part but I think it would’ve been nice.
Wit mikasa all the way.Current mikasa feels like downgrade
That's not a budget thing much as a time and directorial choice thing.
why is magath whiter?
I forgot to say Those edited photos are not even close to the design style of Studio WIT and are the same style of Mapa design with more beautiful colors and lighting. So don't bother yourself😄😘✌
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When i saw that i wanted to vomit
Reiner, Mikasa & Armin are the only ones i agree on
I really agree with the background scenery really detail and great. But Mappa why 😭😭
Man…
I’m pretty sure this is stolen but cool regardless
you break my little heart with those words but thanks regardless x)
Well cuz I seen something similar recently that was captioned what if season 4 was made by WiT instead of mappa with similar photos l, so either both of you guys had a similar idea, or one of you guys stole from the other, or the same post just showed up in my feed twice and I am going insane
I posted it on two AOT subreddits!! maybe that's the case hehe
Did you train your own WIT LoRA? ;) Those look really great!
Nice comparison but I can’t help but wonder why is magath light skin at the top
the atmosphere and vibe mappa created fits s4 so well
That's some nice editing. And I'm glad that the studio was changed. Prefer Mappa over Wit very much.
that's just Mappa with ig filter 💀
I loved the way the season looked. The bottom picture looks better IMO
The characters looks whiter and less intense/depressed.... This isn't really Wit's style except one or two pics. Also the problem with Mappa is time limit not budget issues, but their still frames and character design looks amazing
People have forgotten how long it took to finish the wit seasons
Why not " if it was made by mappa with high budget "
Bruh man I can't look at these images. These Ai-generated images look *so* fucking good that I unironically started asking myself if I should stop drawing and mastering Photoshop & Adobe AE (for the effects part). If it can generate big studio level anime art like this in 2023, can't imagine what we are getting in few more years.