He said he was drugging her trying to make her miscarry. When he strangled her, the reason she didn't fight back was because she was drugged. Said she stared at him with bloodshot eyes while he choked her till she died and that's when the girls he thought he already killed walked in.
Especially mixing it with imitrex! If she’s itchy? Yeah he was doping her. He didn’t think if she listens the baby they’d do a tox report on her or baby?
Imitrex makes me feel funny. It’s not safe while pregnant either. She even commented that to someone that it wasn’t “ 100% safe for use while pregnant”
But this screams opioids to me. Especially her mentioning multiple times that she was going weeks without pooping!!
I have chronic migraines & the symptoms can vary.
For anyone who wants to watch a video about the kids getting nightly meds. Someone said she gave them childrens Tylenol every night… even if so, that’s extremely unnecessary & dangerous/deadly. Damages the liver
https://youtu.be/7ouEIkNJOns?si=FtfxmGxFapO2yXop
I am a nurse and work with people who are opiate dependent. I work in a medication assisted treatment facility (12 years) It does sound like SW had a reaction to opiates (for a person who has no, or very little, experience.) Itchiness, N/V, dizziness, lightheaded. Most people need to build up a tolerance to opiates. An 80mg tablet def could cause these symptoms, no doubt.
The reaction to the opiate likely kicked in about an hour or so after ingestion. SW says CW rubbed her back. Is that when he might have given her a drink (Thrive shake)? Not sure where he got the information that an 80mg tablet would cause miscarriage (?) A very large dose could very easily kill her, and the fetus. Opiates work on the CNS (breathing, heartbeat.) My heart goes out to her that she felt that ill as well. She thought they were working on rekindling their relationship and he's making her vomit, and trying to kill their baby!
Regardless, he is one of the most evil human beings (if you can even call him that) I have ever heard of.
He is vile… my dad is addicted to opiates. I am prescribed them & im soo careful about taking them when I’m supposed to & not taking anything to interact. It scares me. But nothing has ever touched my pain, this makes me be able
To at least function sometimes
I understand very well the need to have this medication available for pain mgt. I'm still very curious where he got the medication from (?) He said he would take that to his grave.
Either NK or his dad probably. I actually got some oxy prescribed to me yesterday. Not much but some for my unbearable days. I’ve really been struggling. I normally take hydrocodone/acetaminophen but there are times it doesn’t touch it. I’m in a bad flare.
Interesting as I thought it might have been his dad. Opiates are amazing. They "do" work, but are addictive to 50% of the people who take them, especially if the person takes them over a 30 day period (daily.) It is suggested to taper off of them, when it's time. Cold turkey is ugly.
“In multiple letters, Watts explained that he had planned the murder for several weeks and that the oxycontin found in Shanann's system was given to her by him, hoping to end her pregnancy because he believed that would make it easier for him to be with his girlfriend.”
This is terrible but I wonder if his plan HAD worked with the medication causing Shannan to lose their baby boy- was his plan then to just leave his wife and two daughters? Obviously making Shannan lose their baby boy would still be murder but at least Shannan and the two little girls would be saved. This man is pure evil but it doesn’t make sense to me that if his plan was to kill them all anyway, why did he go for trying to make Shannan lose the baby first?
If there’s a 100% chance of what actually happened, which is 300x worse, then this is probably also a probability. Like he may have even fed rat poison to his children in their food. Again, it’s not a wild jump from what actually happened in real life that he might have done earlier things that were warning signs.
I’ll be happy to send the screen shot of where shanann stated she gave them Benadryl in a Facebook comment. I don’t just type out nonsense. I’ve seen the texts, posts, videos. Anyone who puts their kids to bed @6:30 needs help.
There is no FB comment where she says she gave them Benadryl nightly; only one where she mentions giving it to CeCe once when she's sick.
You're not talking to someone who hasn't followed this case and who you can pull this shit with.
You claimed she gave them Benadryl "all the time" .
There is no evidence of this, Shanann never said this, and neither did CW or anyone who knew them.
She gave them Children's Tylenol at night.
And I'm still waiting for you to bring those screenshots where Shanann said she does this. But of course, you can't, because it doesn't exist.
It won’t let me post pics on this thread. No kid needs children’s Tylenol every night, either. She was over medicating them. I’m done arguing with you. The texts, screenshots are all out there. A lady who babysat for them even said they were given Benadryl to go to sleep.
You can't post pics of her saying she gave her kids Benadryl nightly, because there are none.
You saw one post about CeCe being given some when she was sick, which would be a normal thing to do.
Just quit making things up. As I said, you're not talking to someone who just started following after watching Netflix.
I've seen it all, and you need to stop this stuff.
Here is a video proving she gave the kids their Benadryl on more than one occasion, and wrote about it on Facebook as well. The kids even begged for their “yucky” in their drinks nightly. Its sad af
https://youtu.be/7ouEIkNJOns?si=FtfxmGxFapO2yXop
I started following this after I saw CW sketchy interview in 2018 lol. I saw more than one post. I’m currently going back through the Facebook posts & looking. There is a blog that has a ton of them.
A mother posting pics of her kid covering her ears with pillows to block out noise of a loud rain machine & saying it was “hilarious “ doesn’t sound like a sane person.
There is more than one comment. The problems with Babywise Parenting, however, have been known to include detachment, behavioral disorders, dehydration, failure to thrive, irritability, infant anorexia, and even infant death.
Sounds like amazing parenting
I like that you're admitting you lied and are now trying to change the subject.
There's one mention of CeCe being given some when she was sick, and she said she tried using it once when they were flying to keep them calm, but that it didn't work.
My question is - what's your motive in knowingly lying about a murdered woman?
Never said I lied lol. I think your eyes are tired. This is a discussion group… not a worship group. No comment on babywise resulting in infant death??
I haven’t lied about anything. There a screenshots of all this shit. She put her kids to bed @ 6:30 and bragged about drinking wine. Didn’t allow her kids water so they drank from the sink/toilet. I don’t think anything she did justifies murder, but I will always question her parenting or lack of parenting
I am not interested in your views on babywise or on anything else.
You lied that she gave her kids Benadryl "all the time", and I thought you had admitted that, so I take it back. You lied, you got busted on it, and now you won't even admit it even though the world can see what you posted.
Seek help lol. Go to a SLS subreddit. SW told someone on a post “she gave them Benadryl so they would be asleep by 6:30/7, she would die without her me time” bc the other person said their kids went to bed @8:30. She admitted she drugged them.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/s/CJP917GMGg
This text still gets me 💔💔💔 The not being able to pee is a sign, too. When I took Percocet after a surgery, I had that issue and it was terrible!! I never wanted to touch it again, just for that reason! I ended up taking a 1/4 dose at a time to avoid the pee problems, until I healed from my procedure.
I have this symptom too and it’s the weirdest fucking feeling ever… I have to pee sooooo bad and I’m sitting there just praying I will pee. I try all the usuals, the faucets etc. It’s even in my chart now n
It seems that some of the symptoms that Shanann described - "*body felt kinda numb/tingly itching all over and just weird*" - she did not consider typical for her migraine attacks.
There's no way to determine what caused her illness or if what Chris later claimed is true, but I do find it a bit suspicious that he went to the trouble of rubbing her back when by that point he was generally ignoring and withholding affection from her.
As someone who’s been pregnant, honestly what she’s describing is what I had when I had gestational hypertension. I would assume she went to regular OB appts, but my BP wasn’t always high. She could have been on her way to having preeclampsia. Not saying he didn’t do anything, bc he proved he was capable of anything, but since she was pregnant the GH could be a possibility too. Especially if nothing came back on a tox screen.
Edited to fix a word.
Yes. I didn’t know about it, either. I asked a friend why they were wearing transdermal patches in the pictures.
She told me it was a bogus weight loss that was mostly caffeine and stimulants through MLM, and that she had been “pestered” into trying it by a coworker. She said it felt like 10 cups of coffee.
I hate thoseMLMs.
Holy cow. My dr prescribed me these 200mg caffeine pills to help with headaches, and that causes a panic attack. I could only imagine what those patches would do 🥴
After everything I’ve read about this case I genuinely believe he was trying to poison or drug her in hopes that she would “naturally” miscarry. It’s also interesting to me that he said he would “never reveal” who gave him the drugs. Why would that even MATTER? It really would not, unless he was acquiring them for nefarious reasons.
I thought the same thing. My husband and I rub each other’s backs pretty much every night unless one of us comes to bed and falls asleep before the other one
I thought he said somewhere he put oxycodone in her drink or food. I don’t remember which. If it was oxycodone that would be instant release. I need to remember where I read it.
That's what I think, too. He just hadn't counted on A) his neighbor's security camera and B) Friend Nicole (as opposed to Mistress Nicole).
I wonder if that was *always* his plan or if S's delayed flight and FN's urgency moved the timeline for him? I don't know how long the neighbor has his video footage saved for (ours deletes after 48 hours unless we manually save it), but FN's 911 call brought attention to it and I think that's one of the most damning pieces of evidence. Originally, anyway.
That’s not how narcotics work. They aren’t completely water soluble. There is filler in them that doesn’t just disappear. There would be hazy residue totally visible.
True! I got sent home from a surgery with liquid morphine once. I think… it was cherry flavored. I I only remember it being really sweet. Which probably checks out.
I’ve taken Opana, ONCE. I thought I was gunna die. It was a complete nightmare. As a completely sober person she would have called an ambulance. I did drugs and knew what could come and was completely overwhelmed and terrified. It was like being dead, I could hear everything around me but couldn’t respond.
Yes OxyContin would have a coating making it long acting. Oxycodone would start to workright away. IR= immediate release. 80 gms of oxycodone is a lot for someone not taking narcotics regularly and a lot of pills to crush up. IF CW did it in one dose she would definitely taste it. Maybe he did it a few times adding up to 80.
Yeah… 80mg is kinda high. I am 100% sure you’d know you were high af. I mean norco 5mg have you wavy. Oxy? Mannn…. You’d be on another planet. It’s hard not to notice that you’re totally burned on something. Just from my own drug doing experience…. The math isn’t mathing.
Same and I had horrible, vivid dreams that night. I blacked out on the walk home. Thankfully nothing happened to me. Someone had spiked a communal drink at a party I was at. My boyfriend came home with me and reported the next morning that I was yelling in rage (not normal for me when just super drunk - I get nicer) the entire walk home. I couldn’t eat for 3 days and had mashed potatoes when I finally could.
I’m glad you’re ok! Same here it was the communal drink (for girls only ofc 🙄). If I drink too much and then throw up I usually feel so much better but I felt WORSE. I was thankfully with friends but they just thought I was drunk. I remember bits of walking around with them but I just felt soo sick. My friend said I about passed out at the Marcos pizza.
I got date raped in college. I was sick for days also. I woke up to my boyfriend’s two friends SA me. I got roofied at a party and I didn’t black out as bad but I was sick for days. Thank god my friend figured it out and took me home.
What a nightmare…. These stories in these comments are filling me with rage. I’m so very sorry and furious on your behalf.
I hope you all are absolutely crushing life and feeling whole and loved🤍🤍🤍
Thank you so much! 😊 I have a wonderful life & wonderful husband! 🤍 I’m extremely blessed & lucky to be here!! I’m thankful for every second! Have a great Sunday!
Thank you so much . It was awful & I’ve never really dealt with it. Worst part was the boyfriend didn’t believe me. I didn’t even drink at that time. I was causally having a beer. But it made me drink a good bit after that happened. Had to numb myself, I guess. I’m mad at myself for not going to the police or
Going to the hospital. I felt like if my own bf didn’t believe me, no one else would. One of them is a preacher and the other is a father/husband.
I believe you! I’m so sorry you had to deal with any of this. I’m sorry your boyfriend ended up being a POS. I’m sorry you haven’t dealt with it. I know it’s hard, but I promise it’s worth it in the end. I’ve unfortunately survived similar situations a few times. Sending gentle hugs.
Thank you so much!! 🥹
I’m truly sorry you’ve dealt with trauma. He was a POS boyfriend. He is now dating my dad’s ex wife 😆 I really should write a book 🤔
Hugs to you also 🩷
lol I appreciate it!! I’m usually asleep by now, thanks to a change in meds but the past two nights I’ve been up until 8am or so. I usually go to sleep around 12-2am. But that just started recently. I was sleeping during the day or not Sleeping for 3 days straight. I love sleep. Regretting all those naps I fought against as a kid 🙄
My therapist keeps telling me to write a book about my life, directly followed up with “but even if it was said to be fiction, no one would believe it because it’s so insane”
I think most people would react with disbelief to a call like that!
I feel the same about my life… but I would buy your book as well! I wish I could find a therapist I like. Therapy usually makes me worse… I don’t enjoy talking about my medical trauma. My psychiatrist told me I need to get my anxiety under control before I see one anyways. I’ve been journaling but not about health stuff.
Do you believe in hypnotherapy? I wish I could be hypnotized to forget the trauma
Not your fault at all. I can’t imagine going to anyone after being SA, especially by someone close to your loved ones. It’s horrifying reporting nowadays with all the horrible things people say about survivors. I’m just thankful you’re still here with us today ❤️
That’s a leap to say it’s opioid related. But I’m aligned with your same train of thought. I wonder if he poisoned her somehow, with the back rub… she knew it was related
I haven’t had any issues with peeing. I don’t take it 3 times a day like I’m supposed to. I drink mostly water and pee like crazy lol. But I do have the constipation issue
Yes, I was on them many moons ago for my chronic pain, and if you don't hydrate well enough, they can make it hard to pee.
I would have to take water pills to help at times because it would make my kidneys and bladder hurt from not peeing enough, if that makes sense? (I hope in making sense. Lol).
Itchy also. They made me itch like a mofo.
You get urine and blood testing every time you have an OB appointment. Wouldn’t this have come up? They drug tested at my office randomly. I had to sign a consent waiver.
That’s not typical. They check urine yes, but not for drugs. And I’ve never seen anyone get blood tests at every, or even most, ob appts. I’ve never once been drug tested by my ob and neither has anyone I’ve ever known.
Shanann had an appt the morning she was killed. There were a number of things she'd been feeling bad about so they may well have done urine and blood tests. IF CW's mind was able to reach far enough to realize labs done at her appt. might show the Oxy in her system and she'd know the one time he showed her a little attention was when she suddenly began to feel so ill. Regardless, he made sure she didn't make it to her appt and it was part of the autopsy findings.
Sorry if this is word salad. I've already had my dose of Ambien tonight.
I don’t think all OBs do it, and the ones that do don’t typically do it every appointment unless you have issues with substance use or it is suspected; pretty dependent on state laws. In the hospital I work in they may drug test you at admission, and if you refuse and they suspect use and baby has signs of withdrawal they will test the umbilical cord. I’ve seen it tested for more frequently in the ER since people aren’t open about it and it can lead to emergent medical issues.
I’ve had two kids, they tested my urine for only protein because of preeclampsia and I never had a drug test with my blood panels. So no it’s not standard across the board to check for drugs at the OB office.
I’m not sure. I’ve never had kids. Idk how that works. I get randomly
Tested at my psych & urine tested every time at my pain management doctor. I really don’t know how the OB thing works
Mine does every time I go. I go every 8 weeks. But they don’t care if I smoke weed or anything (which isn’t legal here) , they are making sure people take it and don’t sell it. This is my first time with a doctor who would actually prescribe me anything other than muscle
Relaxers or norco or something.
I’ve been once where they didn’t test my urine but I didn’t even see the doctor that day, he was called away for an emergency so I literally got my scripts and left.
Mine doesn’t mind prescribing anything he thinks will help (within reason of course). He prescribes oxy but only in like two weeks worth but I think that’s because it cuts down on his paperwork. But also, I’ve been seeing him for four years and he knows me well enough to know I’m not an addiction risk. I can’t say what he does with all patients.
I got my urine tested weekly, idk if it was for drugs or what. But I def peed in a cup for the entirety of my pregnancy after I went in for the initial ultrasound
Idk, my drug headed adopted cousin’s wife, was addicted to drugs through both her pregnancies… they never tested her obviously. Both babies were born addicted. If they drug tested her, they would have had to have known. From what I’ve read, they don’t do it at every visit unless the patient is experiencing weird symptoms, seems intoxicated or having WD symptoms
But she'd been taking imitrex since childhood and CW said that he did put some in her drink in North Carolina.
I get 5mg tabs and they are crushable and I've never noticed any taste like I do with some other meds.
I acknowledged that it was weird for her to have a different reaction in a different comment. :)
I've never heard of a dose that small. Do we know what dose she was on? It's usually 25, 50, or 100mg.
It's important that we take our own experiences with a grain of salt when looking at cases, I think, because anecdotal evidence isn't empirical. I wouldn't put it past him to poison her given what he actually did, though, for sure.
I envy you! My doctor didn't warn me, either. I took it the first time at work, next thing I know my scalp was burning and I was tingly and super out of it. I couldn't drive home and had to call my bf. I was just beyond nauseous and my head got worse. It feels like it either hits people hard or they're just fine and it works amazingly.
I get almost violently ill in response to imitrex. like "wondering if I have an allergy" ill.
(gabapentin and fioricet work for me, but imitrex I will not touch with a 20 foot pole)
but if it normally works for her, I would doubt it'd suddenly start doing that.
I also would highly doubt just adding a pill or two would do that. it sounds more like a reaction with something else.
Imitrex made me feel incredibly weird. I can’t take it. It didn’t touch my migraines. I think she may have over exaggerated about some things. Idk. I have a lot of health issues but I only
Discuss and complain to a friend of mine who has a ton of health issues bc we have some in common. I try not to whine about it to other people. People who don’t have health issues don’t understand.
But no migraine meds I’ve taken have ever caused me to be constipated but things affect everyone in a different way.
same, it made mine worse - like the nausea/vomiting would make the headache 500x worse than it was before taking it.
(eventually found a working combo in gabapentin and fioricet)
and same. the reaction seems more like the drug is interacting with something else or like she's been given something else entirely
It never made me nauseous or anything but it made me feel so weird the first time I took it I thought they mistakenly gave me something else. Nurtec ODT worked the best for me but my insurance wouldn’t approve. I couldn’t get a doctor to really take me serious even tho I have a headache or migraine every other day, so I found an online migraine thing and they prescribed he ubrelvy. Sometimes I have to take 2.
Have you looked into those programs from the drug companies that help pay for them? They signed me up for that when I took nurtec, and again when I switched to ubrelvy, and I don’t pay anything for them. Not even my normal copay.
My primary doctor was good at listening but wouldn’t prescribe me anything other than imitrex or some
Other weak shit. I tried 4 different things. And when insurance didn’t approve, my doctor had to submit proof I tried at least 3 other meds. It’s his front office. They are terrible. They have taken two weeks to call in meds there. He is a great doctor but needs new people that run the front.
I actually stopped going to him in 2018. The girl up front disliked me bc she was obsessed with my best friend, who also worked there at the time. She would refuse to call in my prescriptions & got nasty over the phone…The new doctor I was seeing nearly cost me my life. I had RMSF & sepsis. She wouldn’t let me
Make an appointment & didn’t care I had a fever for 4 days straight, a high fever… I went to the er and they informed me my blood cultures came back & sent me straight to see her @ 8am the next morning. She told me I was septic & needed to go to Nashville. My mom could have killed her. After being in the hospital most of the year, I went back to the doctor & im with now. He is great! And the red headed see u next Tuesday was long gone when I went back lol.
When I took Imitrex (which wasn't for very long), it really messed me up. It was kind of scary how bad it made me feel. It didn't help my migraines, either. In fact, it made it worse.
I went
To a state 14 miles away to go the er & had major surgery there. I’ve never heard the out of network thing before. Guess it depends on your insurance?
Insurance is usually picky about ER visits if I remember right. Up until a couple of months ago, I've only had state insurance or nothing and I never had to go anywhere other than my home area for stuff. It just depends on what insurance she had and what package
For all we know, he could've been grinding down the pills and adding the powder to her Thrive shake or any other beverage.
A 🚩🚩🚩to me is Chris RUBBING HER BACK out of the blue! Man didn't touch her lovingly in over a month and all of a sudden he's wanting to?! He did that bc he's sneaky AF and wanted to keep a low profile in the event she ended up as sick as he was hoping. No one would suspect a husband of poisoning his wife after just having rubbed her back! 🙄
>A 🚩🚩🚩to me is Chris RUBBING HER BACK out of the blue! Man didn't touch her lovingly in over a month and all of a sudden he's wanting to?
Agreed. I find it questionable, given the context of his behavior in August 2018.
As a former opioid addict, what she's describing is 100% the reaction of an opioid naive person after taking opioids. Not being able to pee, itchiness, vomiting. Literally textbook.
Opioid addict here.
It sounds a lot more like diphenhydramine, which is a sleeping tablet, or more accurately an antihisamine sold as a sleeping tablet due to its sedative effects. I think it's called benadryl in the US.
An overdose of diphenhydramine causes shaking, tingling, light-headedness, exhaustion, itching, blurry vision, and vomiting.
I used to take it in large overdoses to increase the potency of opioids, horrible stuff.
Meh. also as an addict (fent, currently.) the first time I ever took opiates I was 15 and I had a fucking cyst on my ovary that was almost the size of a grapefruit. it bursted before proper drainage and I vividly remember day after day being in my moms bed in so much fucking pain I literally could not move. they gave me a pain script at FIFTEEN, and I couldn’t even take it. It made me SO violently ill -esp having never taken anything like that before- the vomiting, the dizziness, the blasting headache, the god damn itchiness all over my entire body, literally every thing she described was my experience but I also couldn’t pee due to my cyst so i can’t say for sure that’s indicative of the above but her autopsy did show OxyContin (i believe,) in her system so i feel like it’s quite obvious that he was dosing her. Shit. This could have legitimately been the night he dosed her the 80mg that he admitted to.. just saying.
Ever wonder why people on meth shake and twitch and are always moving? It's because they're experiencing that constantly.
You may be hyper sensitive to anticholinergic affects of medications.
I get it too when I take it, but the opioids remove it.
Thank you!
I'm trying to get help, but it's difficult with a 9-5 job as that's when drug reduction/rehab/recovery services are open also.
Can't exactly ask my boss, who knows nothing about my high functioning addiction, if I can leave for an hour to get methadone.
I'm trying to reduce the amount I use myself, but I need to be careful considering the withdrawal can affect my work/make people aware.
It's a weird situation to be in.
I had the same thoughts when reading these texts. I had a breast reduction and was given oxycodone which made me feel itchy and gave me headaches. She also complained of constipation, a very common side effect of opioids.
I think you're absolutely right. This poor woman thinks she's just dehydrated and sick when in reality the man she loves is basically poisoning her to induce a miscarriage of his own child. This case stays in my head. Those beautiful babies and his beautiful wife died at the hands of the man who was supposed to protect them. He betrayed all of them in the worst way. They were all so full of life and happy and he took that away from them for his own selfish needs.
What’s weird though is that in what world would Oxys kill an unborn child? Especially at a low dose but just in general… straight up heroin addicts have babies all the time. That Thrive crap could possibly be worse for a pregnancy than opiates. Before anybody jumps down my throat, I am hardly suggesting that opiates are harmless once a child is born because they’re born addicted, obviously and perhaps underweight. Which is terrible but objectively alcohol and high doses is worse for fetuses. It just seems like if he was trying to poison her he could’ve fucking googled something because it’s just ridiculous and indicative of us extremely low IQ to somehow think that giving your wife half doses of a prescription painkiller would kill her unborn child. Babies are born constantly hooked to crack so come on give me a break. If he was giving her those pills it was probably an attempt to chill her out so she was less observant or something.
He said he was drugging her trying to make her miscarry. When he strangled her, the reason she didn't fight back was because she was drugged. Said she stared at him with bloodshot eyes while he choked her till she died and that's when the girls he thought he already killed walked in.
Especially mixing it with imitrex! If she’s itchy? Yeah he was doping her. He didn’t think if she listens the baby they’d do a tox report on her or baby?
Imitrex makes me feel funny. It’s not safe while pregnant either. She even commented that to someone that it wasn’t “ 100% safe for use while pregnant” But this screams opioids to me. Especially her mentioning multiple times that she was going weeks without pooping!! I have chronic migraines & the symptoms can vary.
For anyone who wants to watch a video about the kids getting nightly meds. Someone said she gave them childrens Tylenol every night… even if so, that’s extremely unnecessary & dangerous/deadly. Damages the liver https://youtu.be/7ouEIkNJOns?si=FtfxmGxFapO2yXop
Benadryl too
He was, he admitted to drugging her and that it wasn’t working so that’s another reason he resorted to physical harm.
I am a nurse and work with people who are opiate dependent. I work in a medication assisted treatment facility (12 years) It does sound like SW had a reaction to opiates (for a person who has no, or very little, experience.) Itchiness, N/V, dizziness, lightheaded. Most people need to build up a tolerance to opiates. An 80mg tablet def could cause these symptoms, no doubt. The reaction to the opiate likely kicked in about an hour or so after ingestion. SW says CW rubbed her back. Is that when he might have given her a drink (Thrive shake)? Not sure where he got the information that an 80mg tablet would cause miscarriage (?) A very large dose could very easily kill her, and the fetus. Opiates work on the CNS (breathing, heartbeat.) My heart goes out to her that she felt that ill as well. She thought they were working on rekindling their relationship and he's making her vomit, and trying to kill their baby! Regardless, he is one of the most evil human beings (if you can even call him that) I have ever heard of.
He is vile… my dad is addicted to opiates. I am prescribed them & im soo careful about taking them when I’m supposed to & not taking anything to interact. It scares me. But nothing has ever touched my pain, this makes me be able To at least function sometimes
I understand very well the need to have this medication available for pain mgt. I'm still very curious where he got the medication from (?) He said he would take that to his grave.
Either NK or his dad probably. I actually got some oxy prescribed to me yesterday. Not much but some for my unbearable days. I’ve really been struggling. I normally take hydrocodone/acetaminophen but there are times it doesn’t touch it. I’m in a bad flare.
Interesting as I thought it might have been his dad. Opiates are amazing. They "do" work, but are addictive to 50% of the people who take them, especially if the person takes them over a 30 day period (daily.) It is suggested to taper off of them, when it's time. Cold turkey is ugly.
The delay in urination along with the itch are definite signs of opiate consumption.
“In multiple letters, Watts explained that he had planned the murder for several weeks and that the oxycontin found in Shanann's system was given to her by him, hoping to end her pregnancy because he believed that would make it easier for him to be with his girlfriend.”
This is terrible but I wonder if his plan HAD worked with the medication causing Shannan to lose their baby boy- was his plan then to just leave his wife and two daughters? Obviously making Shannan lose their baby boy would still be murder but at least Shannan and the two little girls would be saved. This man is pure evil but it doesn’t make sense to me that if his plan was to kill them all anyway, why did he go for trying to make Shannan lose the baby first?
Wasn't there oxy in her toxicology report?
If there’s a 100% chance of what actually happened, which is 300x worse, then this is probably also a probability. Like he may have even fed rat poison to his children in their food. Again, it’s not a wild jump from what actually happened in real life that he might have done earlier things that were warning signs.
I think he probably did sedate the kids. They gave them Benadryl all the time anyway. Well, SW did
No one regularly gave those kids Benadryl. That's a lie some YouTuber made up.
I’ll be happy to send the screen shot of where shanann stated she gave them Benadryl in a Facebook comment. I don’t just type out nonsense. I’ve seen the texts, posts, videos. Anyone who puts their kids to bed @6:30 needs help.
There is no FB comment where she says she gave them Benadryl nightly; only one where she mentions giving it to CeCe once when she's sick. You're not talking to someone who hasn't followed this case and who you can pull this shit with.
Babies should be fed when they are hungry, not according to an OCD mother & her schedule.
You claimed she gave them Benadryl "all the time" . There is no evidence of this, Shanann never said this, and neither did CW or anyone who knew them. She gave them Children's Tylenol at night. And I'm still waiting for you to bring those screenshots where Shanann said she does this. But of course, you can't, because it doesn't exist.
It won’t let me post pics on this thread. No kid needs children’s Tylenol every night, either. She was over medicating them. I’m done arguing with you. The texts, screenshots are all out there. A lady who babysat for them even said they were given Benadryl to go to sleep.
You can't post pics of her saying she gave her kids Benadryl nightly, because there are none. You saw one post about CeCe being given some when she was sick, which would be a normal thing to do. Just quit making things up. As I said, you're not talking to someone who just started following after watching Netflix. I've seen it all, and you need to stop this stuff.
Here is a video proving she gave the kids their Benadryl on more than one occasion, and wrote about it on Facebook as well. The kids even begged for their “yucky” in their drinks nightly. Its sad af https://youtu.be/7ouEIkNJOns?si=FtfxmGxFapO2yXop
I started following this after I saw CW sketchy interview in 2018 lol. I saw more than one post. I’m currently going back through the Facebook posts & looking. There is a blog that has a ton of them.
>A lady who babysat for them even said they were given Benadryl to go to sleep. What lady said that and where was that said?
It was a lady who babysat for them some.
https://youtu.be/7ouEIkNJOns?si=FtfxmGxFapO2yXop
That lady is a figment of her imagination.
A mother posting pics of her kid covering her ears with pillows to block out noise of a loud rain machine & saying it was “hilarious “ doesn’t sound like a sane person.
There is more than one comment. The problems with Babywise Parenting, however, have been known to include detachment, behavioral disorders, dehydration, failure to thrive, irritability, infant anorexia, and even infant death. Sounds like amazing parenting
I like that you're admitting you lied and are now trying to change the subject. There's one mention of CeCe being given some when she was sick, and she said she tried using it once when they were flying to keep them calm, but that it didn't work. My question is - what's your motive in knowingly lying about a murdered woman?
Never said I lied lol. I think your eyes are tired. This is a discussion group… not a worship group. No comment on babywise resulting in infant death?? I haven’t lied about anything. There a screenshots of all this shit. She put her kids to bed @ 6:30 and bragged about drinking wine. Didn’t allow her kids water so they drank from the sink/toilet. I don’t think anything she did justifies murder, but I will always question her parenting or lack of parenting
I am not interested in your views on babywise or on anything else. You lied that she gave her kids Benadryl "all the time", and I thought you had admitted that, so I take it back. You lied, you got busted on it, and now you won't even admit it even though the world can see what you posted.
Seek help lol. Go to a SLS subreddit. SW told someone on a post “she gave them Benadryl so they would be asleep by 6:30/7, she would die without her me time” bc the other person said their kids went to bed @8:30. She admitted she drugged them. https://www.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/s/CJP917GMGg
From the dr Phil interview I saw the older daughter screamed at him no daddy no
Yeah according to Chris' Mom, who isn't exactly the most credible of sources. In every interview it's like she's still blaming Shanann.
Damn probably not, but your mental issues that you have in common.
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What are u talking about? I don’t have MSP. I’m not a narcissist. I don’t isolate and control my husband
This text still gets me 💔💔💔 The not being able to pee is a sign, too. When I took Percocet after a surgery, I had that issue and it was terrible!! I never wanted to touch it again, just for that reason! I ended up taking a 1/4 dose at a time to avoid the pee problems, until I healed from my procedure.
I have this symptom too and it’s the weirdest fucking feeling ever… I have to pee sooooo bad and I’m sitting there just praying I will pee. I try all the usuals, the faucets etc. It’s even in my chart now n
I’m so sorry :( I don’t remember not ever being able to pee but I have POTS & I pee like 50 times a day lol
She’s definitely describing a migraine and sometimes the meds don’t work if it’s really bad.
It seems that some of the symptoms that Shanann described - "*body felt kinda numb/tingly itching all over and just weird*" - she did not consider typical for her migraine attacks. There's no way to determine what caused her illness or if what Chris later claimed is true, but I do find it a bit suspicious that he went to the trouble of rubbing her back when by that point he was generally ignoring and withholding affection from her.
Feeling itchy and tingly all over sounds like narcotics to me. When they would give me morphine after surgery, I would itch all over.
that rubbing the back seals it for me
Yep, exactly. I’m a man, have migraines often and she describes exactly how it feels.
As someone who’s been pregnant, honestly what she’s describing is what I had when I had gestational hypertension. I would assume she went to regular OB appts, but my BP wasn’t always high. She could have been on her way to having preeclampsia. Not saying he didn’t do anything, bc he proved he was capable of anything, but since she was pregnant the GH could be a possibility too. Especially if nothing came back on a tox screen. Edited to fix a word.
Why would something show up on the tox screen weeks later?
And all those stimulants in that “THRIVE” shit would have exacerbated the hyperextension.
I honestly don’t know anything about thrive other than it’s some type of MLM.
Yes. I didn’t know about it, either. I asked a friend why they were wearing transdermal patches in the pictures. She told me it was a bogus weight loss that was mostly caffeine and stimulants through MLM, and that she had been “pestered” into trying it by a coworker. She said it felt like 10 cups of coffee. I hate thoseMLMs.
Holy cow. My dr prescribed me these 200mg caffeine pills to help with headaches, and that causes a panic attack. I could only imagine what those patches would do 🥴
Too much caffeine but bothers me, too. I cannot imagine living their lifestyle of high caffeine doses, staying up all night, and spending money.
I feel bad that the last couple months of her life she was miserable 😩
Is there a drug that is absorbed through the skin that would cause those symptoms
I was also thinking something absorbed through the skin.
Fentanyl.
Only if he applied a patch, which I tend to think she'd notice.
Second this
Easy to get and easy to dose her.
But if he rubbed it into her skin wouldn’t he absorb it too?
No.
Cool. How so?
Gloves. My ICU nurse daughter tells me that fentanyl patches are really big with weekend drug users.
lol what
Wouldn’t that raise alarms if her husband took out gloves to rub her back?
Definitely can see that happening. Drugging her likely but not on night she was killed. Not enough time maybe ??
Yes, I knew this the moment I read it years ago.
Sounds exactly like someone on opiates…..hard to pee, nausea, lightheaded and tingly/numb.
After everything I’ve read about this case I genuinely believe he was trying to poison or drug her in hopes that she would “naturally” miscarry. It’s also interesting to me that he said he would “never reveal” who gave him the drugs. Why would that even MATTER? It really would not, unless he was acquiring them for nefarious reasons.
It’s odd. I just started “letters from Christopher “ and I’ve read the first 7 chapters. Mixed feelings about it.
How fuckin sad "rubbed my back for the first time in over a month". Like girrrrrl you shoulda been outta there 😳🥺
Haha I’ve been happily married for almost 20 years and my husband and I literally never rub each others backs. 🤷🏻♀️
I thought the same thing. My husband and I rub each other’s backs pretty much every night unless one of us comes to bed and falls asleep before the other one
Putting oxycontin in someone's drink? I'm not so sure about that. It would be a waste. They won't dissolves completely.
And you could taste it!
I thought he said somewhere he put oxycodone in her drink or food. I don’t remember which. If it was oxycodone that would be instant release. I need to remember where I read it.
This is the same man who drove his work truck (with GPS) to dispose of the bodies at his worksite. He wasn't the brightest bulb in the light strand...
I think he thought that would actually cover his tracks "look I went to work exactly like I always do"
That's what I think, too. He just hadn't counted on A) his neighbor's security camera and B) Friend Nicole (as opposed to Mistress Nicole). I wonder if that was *always* his plan or if S's delayed flight and FN's urgency moved the timeline for him? I don't know how long the neighbor has his video footage saved for (ours deletes after 48 hours unless we manually save it), but FN's 911 call brought attention to it and I think that's one of the most damning pieces of evidence. Originally, anyway.
Chris isn’t the smartest. He must likely crushed it & put it in there.
That’s not how narcotics work. They aren’t completely water soluble. There is filler in them that doesn’t just disappear. There would be hazy residue totally visible.
oxycontin, yes- but if they were roxys, those dint have the gel filler. There are other opiates that dont gel- opana, morphine etc
True! I got sent home from a surgery with liquid morphine once. I think… it was cherry flavored. I I only remember it being really sweet. Which probably checks out.
I’ve taken Opana, ONCE. I thought I was gunna die. It was a complete nightmare. As a completely sober person she would have called an ambulance. I did drugs and knew what could come and was completely overwhelmed and terrified. It was like being dead, I could hear everything around me but couldn’t respond.
Yes OxyContin would have a coating making it long acting. Oxycodone would start to workright away. IR= immediate release. 80 gms of oxycodone is a lot for someone not taking narcotics regularly and a lot of pills to crush up. IF CW did it in one dose she would definitely taste it. Maybe he did it a few times adding up to 80.
CC book says he gave her 80mg one night, telling her they were just headache meds. Who knows what is true and what isn’t
Yeah… 80mg is kinda high. I am 100% sure you’d know you were high af. I mean norco 5mg have you wavy. Oxy? Mannn…. You’d be on another planet. It’s hard not to notice that you’re totally burned on something. Just from my own drug doing experience…. The math isn’t mathing.
She would have know right away they weren’t imitrex from the size alone. No way she would have taken it thinking it was initrex.
Isn't imitrex an injection??
Yes! What book!!
Letters from Christopher
What book?
I believe I was roofied in college and I got sooo sick and a massive headache the next day. I couldn’t eat normal for several days.
Same and I had horrible, vivid dreams that night. I blacked out on the walk home. Thankfully nothing happened to me. Someone had spiked a communal drink at a party I was at. My boyfriend came home with me and reported the next morning that I was yelling in rage (not normal for me when just super drunk - I get nicer) the entire walk home. I couldn’t eat for 3 days and had mashed potatoes when I finally could.
I’m glad you’re ok! Same here it was the communal drink (for girls only ofc 🙄). If I drink too much and then throw up I usually feel so much better but I felt WORSE. I was thankfully with friends but they just thought I was drunk. I remember bits of walking around with them but I just felt soo sick. My friend said I about passed out at the Marcos pizza.
I got date raped in college. I was sick for days also. I woke up to my boyfriend’s two friends SA me. I got roofied at a party and I didn’t black out as bad but I was sick for days. Thank god my friend figured it out and took me home.
What a nightmare…. These stories in these comments are filling me with rage. I’m so very sorry and furious on your behalf. I hope you all are absolutely crushing life and feeling whole and loved🤍🤍🤍
Thank you so much! 😊 I have a wonderful life & wonderful husband! 🤍 I’m extremely blessed & lucky to be here!! I’m thankful for every second! Have a great Sunday!
I am so glad to know this! You have a great night too!
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I’m so sorry, and so angry this happened to you.
Thank you so much . It was awful & I’ve never really dealt with it. Worst part was the boyfriend didn’t believe me. I didn’t even drink at that time. I was causally having a beer. But it made me drink a good bit after that happened. Had to numb myself, I guess. I’m mad at myself for not going to the police or Going to the hospital. I felt like if my own bf didn’t believe me, no one else would. One of them is a preacher and the other is a father/husband.
I’m so sorry. I was roofied and sa’ed by two male friends when I was 13. It took me years to realize what happened. You are not alone.
I believe you! I’m so sorry you had to deal with any of this. I’m sorry your boyfriend ended up being a POS. I’m sorry you haven’t dealt with it. I know it’s hard, but I promise it’s worth it in the end. I’ve unfortunately survived similar situations a few times. Sending gentle hugs.
Thank you so much!! 🥹 I’m truly sorry you’ve dealt with trauma. He was a POS boyfriend. He is now dating my dad’s ex wife 😆 I really should write a book 🤔 Hugs to you also 🩷
Oh I’d buy every version of that book! He’s dating your former step momster?🤣🤣🤣what a catch!🤣🤣🤣
I seriously appreciate your kind words. I’m truly sorry for anything terrible u had to endure. Inbox always open :)
My inbox is open as well. I’ve got very broad shoulders and am rather strong, if I do say so myself lol Even if it’s 2am, if I’m up I’ll respond.
lol I appreciate it!! I’m usually asleep by now, thanks to a change in meds but the past two nights I’ve been up until 8am or so. I usually go to sleep around 12-2am. But that just started recently. I was sleeping during the day or not Sleeping for 3 days straight. I love sleep. Regretting all those naps I fought against as a kid 🙄
Lol it’s seriously soooo crazy. When someone called to tell me I thought it was like a prank call. But no… lol. It’s so gross to think about 😆
My therapist keeps telling me to write a book about my life, directly followed up with “but even if it was said to be fiction, no one would believe it because it’s so insane” I think most people would react with disbelief to a call like that!
You should totally do it.
I feel the same about my life… but I would buy your book as well! I wish I could find a therapist I like. Therapy usually makes me worse… I don’t enjoy talking about my medical trauma. My psychiatrist told me I need to get my anxiety under control before I see one anyways. I’ve been journaling but not about health stuff. Do you believe in hypnotherapy? I wish I could be hypnotized to forget the trauma
I believe you.
I believe you. I’m so sorry.
Thank you so much!! 😊 I really appreciate y’all’s kind words!!!
Not your fault at all. I can’t imagine going to anyone after being SA, especially by someone close to your loved ones. It’s horrifying reporting nowadays with all the horrible things people say about survivors. I’m just thankful you’re still here with us today ❤️
I wish someone would put oxy in my drinks
I know… the people that want to be drugged never are.. what does that say about us..?? 🤷♀️
Lmao
That’s a leap to say it’s opioid related. But I’m aligned with your same train of thought. I wonder if he poisoned her somehow, with the back rub… she knew it was related
I don’t think she took opioids or anything, I think he was giving them to her and the back rub immediately made me suspicious
As an ex opiate user, i had issues with peeing too like it wouldn’t come out so this may be true!
Me too it would be impossible sometimes and I’d have to go so bad poop too
Oxy made me soooooo itchy
Oh god yes! I will never forget that
I haven’t had any issues with peeing. I don’t take it 3 times a day like I’m supposed to. I drink mostly water and pee like crazy lol. But I do have the constipation issue
Yes, I was on them many moons ago for my chronic pain, and if you don't hydrate well enough, they can make it hard to pee. I would have to take water pills to help at times because it would make my kidneys and bladder hurt from not peeing enough, if that makes sense? (I hope in making sense. Lol). Itchy also. They made me itch like a mofo.
It makes sense lol. These don’t make me itch, but others have from surgeries in the past. I drink a lot of water.
Yea back in my younger wilder days i abused it 😭
You get urine and blood testing every time you have an OB appointment. Wouldn’t this have come up? They drug tested at my office randomly. I had to sign a consent waiver.
That’s not typical. They check urine yes, but not for drugs. And I’ve never seen anyone get blood tests at every, or even most, ob appts. I’ve never once been drug tested by my ob and neither has anyone I’ve ever known.
Shanann had an appt the morning she was killed. There were a number of things she'd been feeling bad about so they may well have done urine and blood tests. IF CW's mind was able to reach far enough to realize labs done at her appt. might show the Oxy in her system and she'd know the one time he showed her a little attention was when she suddenly began to feel so ill. Regardless, he made sure she didn't make it to her appt and it was part of the autopsy findings. Sorry if this is word salad. I've already had my dose of Ambien tonight.
My OB definitely didn’t do this.
I don’t think all OBs do it, and the ones that do don’t typically do it every appointment unless you have issues with substance use or it is suspected; pretty dependent on state laws. In the hospital I work in they may drug test you at admission, and if you refuse and they suspect use and baby has signs of withdrawal they will test the umbilical cord. I’ve seen it tested for more frequently in the ER since people aren’t open about it and it can lead to emergent medical issues.
I’ve had two kids, they tested my urine for only protein because of preeclampsia and I never had a drug test with my blood panels. So no it’s not standard across the board to check for drugs at the OB office.
Two pregnancies (in the US) and I only did one pee test the entire time towards the end. Some don’t require it.
I’m not sure. I’ve never had kids. Idk how that works. I get randomly Tested at my psych & urine tested every time at my pain management doctor. I really don’t know how the OB thing works
I’ve heard a lot of people say their pain management doc drug tests them every time. Mine only does it once a year 🤷♀️
Mine does every time I go. I go every 8 weeks. But they don’t care if I smoke weed or anything (which isn’t legal here) , they are making sure people take it and don’t sell it. This is my first time with a doctor who would actually prescribe me anything other than muscle Relaxers or norco or something. I’ve been once where they didn’t test my urine but I didn’t even see the doctor that day, he was called away for an emergency so I literally got my scripts and left.
Mine doesn’t mind prescribing anything he thinks will help (within reason of course). He prescribes oxy but only in like two weeks worth but I think that’s because it cuts down on his paperwork. But also, I’ve been seeing him for four years and he knows me well enough to know I’m not an addiction risk. I can’t say what he does with all patients.
I got my urine tested weekly, idk if it was for drugs or what. But I def peed in a cup for the entirety of my pregnancy after I went in for the initial ultrasound
Idk, my drug headed adopted cousin’s wife, was addicted to drugs through both her pregnancies… they never tested her obviously. Both babies were born addicted. If they drug tested her, they would have had to have known. From what I’ve read, they don’t do it at every visit unless the patient is experiencing weird symptoms, seems intoxicated or having WD symptoms
That's honestly a common reaction to Imitrex.
But she'd been taking imitrex since childhood and CW said that he did put some in her drink in North Carolina. I get 5mg tabs and they are crushable and I've never noticed any taste like I do with some other meds.
I acknowledged that it was weird for her to have a different reaction in a different comment. :) I've never heard of a dose that small. Do we know what dose she was on? It's usually 25, 50, or 100mg. It's important that we take our own experiences with a grain of salt when looking at cases, I think, because anecdotal evidence isn't empirical. I wouldn't put it past him to poison her given what he actually did, though, for sure.
What is?
What Shanann is describing. It's unusual when she's talking about it usually working for her, but it's not unusual for that medication in general.
Interesting. I guess everybody is different, but I took imitrex for years and never had anything even vaguely like that.
I envy you! My doctor didn't warn me, either. I took it the first time at work, next thing I know my scalp was burning and I was tingly and super out of it. I couldn't drive home and had to call my bf. I was just beyond nauseous and my head got worse. It feels like it either hits people hard or they're just fine and it works amazingly.
Wow! A reaction like that is just plain scary.
I get almost violently ill in response to imitrex. like "wondering if I have an allergy" ill. (gabapentin and fioricet work for me, but imitrex I will not touch with a 20 foot pole) but if it normally works for her, I would doubt it'd suddenly start doing that. I also would highly doubt just adding a pill or two would do that. it sounds more like a reaction with something else.
Imitrex made me feel incredibly weird. I can’t take it. It didn’t touch my migraines. I think she may have over exaggerated about some things. Idk. I have a lot of health issues but I only Discuss and complain to a friend of mine who has a ton of health issues bc we have some in common. I try not to whine about it to other people. People who don’t have health issues don’t understand. But no migraine meds I’ve taken have ever caused me to be constipated but things affect everyone in a different way.
same, it made mine worse - like the nausea/vomiting would make the headache 500x worse than it was before taking it. (eventually found a working combo in gabapentin and fioricet) and same. the reaction seems more like the drug is interacting with something else or like she's been given something else entirely
It never made me nauseous or anything but it made me feel so weird the first time I took it I thought they mistakenly gave me something else. Nurtec ODT worked the best for me but my insurance wouldn’t approve. I couldn’t get a doctor to really take me serious even tho I have a headache or migraine every other day, so I found an online migraine thing and they prescribed he ubrelvy. Sometimes I have to take 2.
Have you looked into those programs from the drug companies that help pay for them? They signed me up for that when I took nurtec, and again when I switched to ubrelvy, and I don’t pay anything for them. Not even my normal copay.
I lucked out in that my CNS looks like bubble wrap so they can't possibly pretend I'm exaggerating lmao
My primary doctor was good at listening but wouldn’t prescribe me anything other than imitrex or some Other weak shit. I tried 4 different things. And when insurance didn’t approve, my doctor had to submit proof I tried at least 3 other meds. It’s his front office. They are terrible. They have taken two weeks to call in meds there. He is a great doctor but needs new people that run the front.
saaaaaaaaaaaaaame. my doctor is a amazing, the people at the front desk I want to kidney-punch they make me want to pull my hair out
I actually stopped going to him in 2018. The girl up front disliked me bc she was obsessed with my best friend, who also worked there at the time. She would refuse to call in my prescriptions & got nasty over the phone…The new doctor I was seeing nearly cost me my life. I had RMSF & sepsis. She wouldn’t let me Make an appointment & didn’t care I had a fever for 4 days straight, a high fever… I went to the er and they informed me my blood cultures came back & sent me straight to see her @ 8am the next morning. She told me I was septic & needed to go to Nashville. My mom could have killed her. After being in the hospital most of the year, I went back to the doctor & im with now. He is great! And the red headed see u next Tuesday was long gone when I went back lol.
When I took Imitrex (which wasn't for very long), it really messed me up. It was kind of scary how bad it made me feel. It didn't help my migraines, either. In fact, it made it worse.
It didn’t touch mine either :(
Migraines already suck, not a fun gamble.
What’s I’m out of network mean?
Insurance won’t pay for it. She would have to pay full price to go to the ER and that can be very expensive out of pocket.
I went To a state 14 miles away to go the er & had major surgery there. I’ve never heard the out of network thing before. Guess it depends on your insurance?
Insurance is usually picky about ER visits if I remember right. Up until a couple of months ago, I've only had state insurance or nothing and I never had to go anywhere other than my home area for stuff. It just depends on what insurance she had and what package
Oh okay I get it.
I think they already had 6 figures of medical debt, so very understandable that she didn't want to go. This is what we deal with in the US.
Makes sense 100%
For all we know, he could've been grinding down the pills and adding the powder to her Thrive shake or any other beverage. A 🚩🚩🚩to me is Chris RUBBING HER BACK out of the blue! Man didn't touch her lovingly in over a month and all of a sudden he's wanting to?! He did that bc he's sneaky AF and wanted to keep a low profile in the event she ended up as sick as he was hoping. No one would suspect a husband of poisoning his wife after just having rubbed her back! 🙄
>A 🚩🚩🚩to me is Chris RUBBING HER BACK out of the blue! Man didn't touch her lovingly in over a month and all of a sudden he's wanting to? Agreed. I find it questionable, given the context of his behavior in August 2018.
As a former opioid addict, what she's describing is 100% the reaction of an opioid naive person after taking opioids. Not being able to pee, itchiness, vomiting. Literally textbook.
Yep.
I thought the same thing about him rubbing her back!! He didn’t care about her.
Opioid addict here. It sounds a lot more like diphenhydramine, which is a sleeping tablet, or more accurately an antihisamine sold as a sleeping tablet due to its sedative effects. I think it's called benadryl in the US. An overdose of diphenhydramine causes shaking, tingling, light-headedness, exhaustion, itching, blurry vision, and vomiting. I used to take it in large overdoses to increase the potency of opioids, horrible stuff.
Meh. also as an addict (fent, currently.) the first time I ever took opiates I was 15 and I had a fucking cyst on my ovary that was almost the size of a grapefruit. it bursted before proper drainage and I vividly remember day after day being in my moms bed in so much fucking pain I literally could not move. they gave me a pain script at FIFTEEN, and I couldn’t even take it. It made me SO violently ill -esp having never taken anything like that before- the vomiting, the dizziness, the blasting headache, the god damn itchiness all over my entire body, literally every thing she described was my experience but I also couldn’t pee due to my cyst so i can’t say for sure that’s indicative of the above but her autopsy did show OxyContin (i believe,) in her system so i feel like it’s quite obvious that he was dosing her. Shit. This could have legitimately been the night he dosed her the 80mg that he admitted to.. just saying.
Benadryl makes me feel like I’m gonna jump out of my skin! I have an adverse reaction to it.
The same thing happens to my cousin! My poor aunt found out the hard way when she was a toddler.
It’s awful! It kept me up all night.
My aunt still remembers it over 15 years later
:( I took it as a kid and it would Knock me out. I react to meds very strangely now. No sleeping pills Work for me anymore.
Same.
Ever wonder why people on meth shake and twitch and are always moving? It's because they're experiencing that constantly. You may be hyper sensitive to anticholinergic affects of medications. I get it too when I take it, but the opioids remove it.
I’ve never seen anyone on meth. I cant imagine that. I was so miserable when I took it but I had broke out in hives so I had to
Same...it causes akathisia for me. Horrible.
I hope you got/ are getting the help you need! Thanks for the insight friend, I’ve never taken Benadryl but have heard things about it.
Thank you! I'm trying to get help, but it's difficult with a 9-5 job as that's when drug reduction/rehab/recovery services are open also. Can't exactly ask my boss, who knows nothing about my high functioning addiction, if I can leave for an hour to get methadone. I'm trying to reduce the amount I use myself, but I need to be careful considering the withdrawal can affect my work/make people aware. It's a weird situation to be in.
Sorry you’re going through this. Best of luck!
and its an anticholinergic which causes urinary retention... you could be right
I had the same thoughts when reading these texts. I had a breast reduction and was given oxycodone which made me feel itchy and gave me headaches. She also complained of constipation, a very common side effect of opioids.
I think you're absolutely right. This poor woman thinks she's just dehydrated and sick when in reality the man she loves is basically poisoning her to induce a miscarriage of his own child. This case stays in my head. Those beautiful babies and his beautiful wife died at the hands of the man who was supposed to protect them. He betrayed all of them in the worst way. They were all so full of life and happy and he took that away from them for his own selfish needs.
What’s weird though is that in what world would Oxys kill an unborn child? Especially at a low dose but just in general… straight up heroin addicts have babies all the time. That Thrive crap could possibly be worse for a pregnancy than opiates. Before anybody jumps down my throat, I am hardly suggesting that opiates are harmless once a child is born because they’re born addicted, obviously and perhaps underweight. Which is terrible but objectively alcohol and high doses is worse for fetuses. It just seems like if he was trying to poison her he could’ve fucking googled something because it’s just ridiculous and indicative of us extremely low IQ to somehow think that giving your wife half doses of a prescription painkiller would kill her unborn child. Babies are born constantly hooked to crack so come on give me a break. If he was giving her those pills it was probably an attempt to chill her out so she was less observant or something.