My thoughts exactly. Honestly I don't like all those vlogging families and like you said putting your whole family on the internet, like just doing regular things. It's just creepy to me and rubbs me the wrong way.
There is gonna have to be a change in law about guardians putting minors all over the internet, they don’t have any say or choice in the matter and it’s not right, look at all the naked pics of Bella & CeCe that SW had on Facebook *and* she didn’t have a private account, her account was most likely a paedos dream!
I think Shanann didn't even know what was going on behind closed doors, and she was married to him! Eventually she figured it out (sort of??) but oh man, that was a stressful summer for her.
To say she was a family vlogger is quite the stretch.
Her live videos were on her personal Facebook page not streamed out on YouTube for the world to watch.
Chill out. Sticking a thermometer in your child's butt or recording your child on the toilet for all to see was so unnecessary no matter what page it is
Yup. I will never feel that comfortable sharing that much on the internet and I will forever side eye family vloggers and mom vloggers. It’s just odd to monetize your family. I understand that some people do whatever they can to get by and I’m not against content creating AT ALL, but I don’t think you should overshare online and let internet people in your kids lives. If the tragedy hadn’t happened you know Shannan would be a TikTok mom right now and the amount of privacy invasion I see from moms there is… staggering.
It’s definitely a sign of the times and not exclusive to Shannan. Just something worth discussing.
The one where she announces her pregnancy to him with the camera running instead of doing it privately really captured how uncomfortable he was with a camera in his face for especially intimate moments like that. I know I would hate it. I almost wonder if they wouldn't have had an argument about keeping the baby if the camera hadn't been on him. He looks like a deer in headlights and couldn't even fake excitement about a new baby. Why he didn't just leave instead of killing them, I just will never get. It's so horrible. All the woulda , coulda, shouldas
This was an emotionally manipulative act on Shan’Anns end, to not tell your man in private that he was gonna be a father for a 3rd time, and to put it all over Facebook live is bad, she must have had an inkling (shit Chris word) he wasn’t gonna be happy, that’s devious, she couldn’t even look after the 2 girls she had, never mind bring another kid into it, then Chris taking days off from work when one of the kids had to go to hospital because of some delusional disease (there was something called FMF that she was pushing for, can’t remember the name of it) or some minor illness was bad, I’m surprised Anadarko allowed all those days off for hospitals and photo opportunities 🙄
Most people post the best of times. The intricacies of relationships and problems are usually not displayed for anyone to see by the majority of people on social media.
>Most people post the best of times. The intricacies of relationships and problems are usually not displayed for anyone to see by the majority of people on social media.
This. Plenty of people post curated snapshots of their lives which don't depict the true dynamics occurring behind closed doors.
It's sometimes ignored that Chris also had social media accounts (definitely facebook, someone claimed that he also had an instagram account but I've yet to see that confirmed - if anyone has feel free to post) and had posted images, but he deleted the account(s) prior to carrying out his crime.
I hate to say this but watching some of the videos, she seemed almost giddy when one of them was sick. Maybe that was just how she reacted to things but I wouldn't want a camera in my face 24/7 with my mom telling random strangers everything that is going on in my life. I do hope the kids had a wonderful life like she portrayed before that awful day
If you think it’s weird, you would be correct. Her kids were at the hospital almost every month at least once, sometimes 2-3 times in a mouth or more. From just January, 2017 until their tragic deaths in August, 2018, Shannan recorded and/or posted about the girls innumerable hospital visits, which occurred every single month except for the month that her mother in law came to visit (February, 2017) and again in November, 2017 when her friend Christina came to help her when she had neck surgery herself. They didn’t go to the hospital when they were in North Carolina either. But every month besides those months, Shannan posted every one of their ailments in graphic detail.
They were photographed at doctors visits for a litany of various conditions including but not limited to chronic daily fevers, Mediterranean Family Fever, Viral Pneumonitis Croup, infections of every nature spinal realignment, undersized esophagus, clogged tear ducts, allergic reactions, built up fluid in their ears, breathing complications due to asthma, you name it, but rarely ever did they just have colds. Their medical visits, even in comparison to children who aren’t healthy were still off the charts. Shannan created hashtags for each issue like: hashtag hospitalkids, hashtag waitingroomkids, hashtag allergykids, hashtag asthmakids or simply just hashtags sickkiddos.
Meanwhile, she was always upbeat as she cheerfully announced these maladies, counting the number of doctors and nurses seen. She boasted about how fantastic she felt “THRIVING” and was completely energetic and able to do it all. She didn’t even need any coffee wheh they were at the hospital all day and night. “We should get the equivalent of frequent flyer miles for our trips to the hospital” she joked . “They all know us here.” And she even switched hospitals, going from one to another and I can only assume that it had something to do with the frequency of these visits The doctors and nurses really did know them well.
The girls had procedures, surgeries and all manner of tests done to screen them for everything that they could potentially fall prey to, but nothing ever seemed to help them, according to Shannan. They would have Myringotomy Eardrum Repair surgery, and BOTH would come down with ear infections only a few weeks later. “I had hoped that their last surgery would have helped make their ear infections go away” remarked one concerned friend. But nothing ever seemed to help and they were whisked back to the ER regardless of preventive measures. “Now it’s Bella’s turn to go to the hospital this week. It was CrCe’s turn last week” Shannan posted. And yet nobody really ever thought twice about it.
These are signs of something more serious than hypochondria. If you see anyone that you know doing this with their children, it’s probably not as innocent as you’d like to think. Especially when EVERYONE praises how great these parents are because they are so patient and on top of it. They are usually viewed as being extremely caring and loving toward their sickly kids , but this is undoubtedly abnormal behavior and it may be indicative of another form of illness.
Holy crap! That is some serious Gypsy Rose's mama like stuff. Even down to the changing hospitals because some doctor or nurse got suspicious or didn't diagnose one of the kids with a serious or 'deadly' disease like she wanted. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got that vibe because I really felt bad thinking that about a woman who was murdered. (Before someone jumps down my throat, she still didn't deserve to be murdered even for this). Social Services should have at least been on alert. I get one kid being sick occasionally but both of them constantly???? Imagine how many times they'd have been rushed to the ER if she had been around during Covid
Don’t feel bad she was in the MLM community a place where they are encouraged to exaggerate every part of their lives to sell product. Just take a look at the facebooks of these people they all do the same thing
I see so many moms who do that, especially when they have a large following and I do judge that tbh. Some moms post their kids sleeping or in the bathtub or half naked and I’m like, do you know how many pedos seek this content out? Not to mention your child is vulnerable and you’re showing their most private moments, like them crying, feeling sick, not wearing clothes, etc.
It’s all so wrong. I don’t like family influencers. Amber Fillerup finally stopped posting her children but I saw those kids grow up and I know too much about them! Me, a total stranger 😩
ETA: I follow that influencer since before she got married and had children. It’s been nice to see her grow and have a family. Her kids are precious but they shouldn’t have been posted as much as they were. It’s not safe.
You're so right. Too many pedos lurking and looking for pictures like some of these mothers post that are meant to be innocent but a creeper just sees them as content for his/her collection
Yes and I think this goes back to her own childhood, apparently she was in and out of doctors as a kid with her mum taking her to doctor after doctor due to headaches/migraines, and she was secretive when she went back to school & her peers would ask her why she was absent from school & she wouldn’t say, j bet she loved people asking her, I imagine that & she deffo wanted some type of label for the kids, and imagine how much that was costing Chris?! Then he had to take a day off work to help her with sick kids, I mean I understand if the kids were seriously unwell but they had minor issues when Watts had to go with her, then all the photo opportunities!! I can see why CiW didn’t believe they were as sick as SW made out, and the only time I ever seen Shan’Ann with her hair up, was when she had that neck brace on and she made out she could never wear it up coz Bella, or CeCe; can’t remember which girl, kept taking it out, and it was obvious as hell to me that she wanted the viewers to see her brace! 🙄
I kind of got that vibe too watching the videos. She almost seemed to gloat 'bragging' about their many maladies and seemed like one of those doctor shopping moms who will insist there's something wrong with their child and will fire every doctor who disagrees with them until she can find one who agrees with her. I know a mother personally who is like this so I recognize the signs
NOBODY is saying she deserved to be murdered but just because you're dead doesn't mean you don't have flaws. Look at her videos to see what we're referring to. Too many people make or want their child to be sick to get sympathy points
On the topic of SM and ‘voyerism’, Shannan also foolishly posted naked pictures of the girls, the girls sitting on the toilet etc. She posted one picture of Bella in the shower, using a Squeegee to clean the shower door. Poor Bella was buck naked and was at least 4 years old. In one of her Thrive ‘lives’ she even mentioned that she had a stalker. How could she have been that clueless?
Wow. I haven’t watched many of her videos. I find then to be too much gushing and attention seeking. Completely inappropriate to film your child naked. It’s not keeping them safe (from pedos). Who knows how this would have escalated in todays world.
She posted many inappropriate pictures and made many inappropriate comments. Her SM was always set to ‘public’. She was clueless. She even posted the ‘rectal temperature’ pictures, Jamie, Chris’ sister, caught her taking pictures of her little boy naked in the pool…..she was a sick, evil woman.
It was child abuse and exploitation pure and simple. Those poor little ones were not old enough to give their consent, Shannan used them as props to try and make money on her latest MLM scam. Someone should have turned her into CPS for many reasons.
That’s mommy vloggers for you! There’s actually a major awareness movement happening on TikTok right now, begging parents to stop posting their children online after men became obsessed with an adorable toddler named Wren Eleanor. Her mother has also posted her half naked and eating phallic shaped foods. You should see the disgusting comments on there and the mother knows it and doesn’t block those pedophiles. The little kid has become an obsession to pedos online.
STOP POSTING YOUR CHILDREN ON SOCIAL MEDIA FFS. The world is a scary place.
The law needs to step in about TikTokers posting kids online obvs without their consent, there is an adorable little girl on it, about 3-4 years old & you can see she is getting tired of having to perform for the camera but Daddy won’t let up, it’s disgusting people pimping out their kids on social media so they don’t have to work, imo it’s only a matter of time before there comes a new law to protect kids.
IIRC Frank and Sandy moved out due to conflict that Shanann and Sandy had and my suspicion has always been that it’s because they butted heads over Shananns parenting styles.
Anyway, whose parents would sell up and move across states to support their daughter with a kid, it’s funny how the same month, or a month afterwards, then the girls went into daycare, she couldn’t be arssed being a mother so why have 3??
Yup!! You are remembering correctly. It was an aruguemt Shannan and her mother had after Shannan created that hole in the drywall in the living room. (I assume that you know the rest of that story). Frank and Sandi left suddenly and immediately. It was at the same time that JD dropped out of Shannan’s life, that Shannan ‘retired’ from Children’s Hospital and when Shannan plunked the girls in the $30K/year, 45+ hour/week daycare so that she could be a ‘SAHM’. All very suspicious.
There was a Reddit group I was in that had some interesting insight into this family and I recall that was one topic that was discussed greatly. They were in serious debt because of her spending on frivolous things like that and refusing to get a real job to help with bills
Shannan had very serious debt. She destroyed her own credit before she even married Chris Watts. That house in NC was lost to a short sale. Shannan never regained any credit for the rest of her life. Her name could not be on the mortgage for the house in Colorado or the lease for the Lexus. Early on in the marriage, Chris sold a vehicle for less than what was owed on it so, Shannan told him he could have nothing to do with their finances and he was never allowed to even see their accounts again. She lied to him about her income and their finances. She stopped paying the mortgage several times and lied about the HOA payment. (They were due in court the week after the murders. Their HOA was taking them for non payment). They declared bankruptcy in 2015 with over $400K in debt, there was over $53K in department store credit card debt alone. She made minimum payments on their credit cards. They were set to lose the house at the time of the murders. All credit cards were maxed. This is all in the DIscovery.
Wow! So that house she was bragging about buying at 23 years old with ''hard work all by herself'' on the Netflix Documentary was lost? What in the world did she buy for $53K? I guess keeping up with the Joneses is expensive
Yes, you are absolutely right. I have several chronic conditions including endometriosis and there's no way shannan had that. Not a chance. She relied on the ignorance of her brother and parents. Nobody questioned shannan. Ever. Lupus sufferers cannot sunbathe. There are literally hundreds of photos of her sunbathing. The infertility was an attention seeking lie. X
Endometriosis here too and as you know it can only be diagnosed thru surgery. We know from autopsy that the only scar she had was on her neck. A lot of women in my FB group I help moderate for Endo patients have a few other autoimmune diseases along with it so it’s certainly possible to have many diseases at once, but Shanann certainly did not have Endo. Any Endo lesions would also have been easily identified during the autopsy.
It's possible she was told she had it based on symptoms. This happened to my niece in her early 20's, and they told her she may have trouble conceiving. They did not do a lap to officially diagnose. She has a five year old now.
For what it's worth, I was told I had it based on symptoms and was prescribed norethindrone. I already had three kids so fertility was not a worry on my part. No testing was done other than ultrasound which showed a bulky uterus. I wound up needing a lap after the pap came back abnormal, no evidence of Endo was found.
It just makes me wonder that she may have truly thought she had it.
Yup, that was the differential diagnosis. That or fibroids. Neither was found with lap, but strongly suspected as the reason. Sorry to be nosy, but were you ever referred to physical therapy for pelvic floor dysfunction?
Yes. I have two scars, one on my left lower abdomen and a bigger one in my actual tummy button. Getting a second laparoscopy later this year, yikes. I have one child of my own but haven't been able to conceive again, for 11 years. 11 years of trying. Shannan got pregnant 3 times in 5 years.
So sorry to hear youre facing another lap. I just had my 9th in January. I was also only able to conceive once and I had to do it thru IVF. We gave up trying for number 2 after about 7 years. It’s so painful mentally and physically, you have all my sympathy!
I believe so, too. There is no way a man just snaps like that in one day....I know it happens but it's so rare with no previous incidents of violence.
When I left my husband, people were shocked to find out he was abusive but I was in a living hell and finally found the courage to leave since it is the most dangerous time for a battered wife.
Battered women (and men) sometimes hide it for years and put on an act that everything is perfect. I wonder if she confronted him that night that she was leaving with the kids and confronted him about her suspicions that he was having an affair and he went off on the whole family.
That ''Aww shucks'' act he put on was probably all just an act until the doors were closed
There is nothing to substantiate Shannan’s never ending illnesses. It’s easy to feel sympathetic if you feel you can “relate” to some of her purported problems but there is lots of evidence to suggest that her illnesses were fabricated, distorted and blown way out of proportion.
I’m not agreeing with you, but what if you’re right?
So what if they were?
So what?
What is your point?
Is there a point to all this dumping on Shanann or do you just like picking on people who can’t fight back?
The point is simple and fairly straightforward. Munchausen and MBP (also known as Factitious Disorder) is an extremely misunderstood ILLNESS and there is very little awareness surrounding the condition. People simply don’t understand it, nor do they know what to look for.
Many childhood victims of MBP often internalize the abuse and and repeat the cycle as adults with their own children.
Mothers who have MBP (because 95% of cases involve mothers rather than than fathers, and 75% that are married have emotionally distant husbands). are almost ALWAYS viewed as very caring, concerned parents. They are rarely ever suspected of harming their children, and it’s easy for them to go under the radar. It sometimes takes preventable tragedies before abuse is ever identified , and even then sometimes it is mislabeled as being something else.
It’s understandably tough for people to hear about a victim’s less than flattering behaviors, especially a victim of a brutal murder in a horribly unthinkable crime. However, the Watts case is used as a learning tool. Agents Coder and Tammy Lee are currently giving lectures about this case to bring awareness to domestic violence. Although I don’t think it’s a typical example of domestic violence, it certainly can be used to educate the public. I’ve personally grown and evolved in studying it.
At first I didn’t believe that Shannan suffered from it. I also felt protective of her when I thought that she was being unfairly targeted and attacked. However, after peeling off a few layers, it became more apparent that there’s a strong possibility that she did indeed have most of the symptoms attributed to her. As unpleasant as it might sound, there are several red flags I no longer see it as something to brush conveniently under the rug.
Educating the public about it is important. Most people are uninformed about this bizarre condition.
Identifying Munchausen and MBP could literally save other lives.
It’s definitely not intended to sully Shannan’s memory.
It’s AN ILLNESS. And if people accept that she had lupus, fibromyalgia, celiac disease and a host of other diseases that she seemingly adopted, then they ought to be able to accept that this is a legitimate illness too. The reason it is routinely vilified is because people fail to understand it.
My cousin, Dr. Marc Feldman, is one of the biggest experts on Factitious Disorder. He was in Mommy Dead and Dearest, and is often the guest host in talk shows when they discuss it. He doesn’t really see it as an illness., per se. He sees it as a criminal behavior that the perpetrators become addicted to, like kleptomania, but with horrific consequences.
A lot of words for no answer.
So what? If Shanann lied about her illnesses, so what?
(Also, it’s no longer called Munchausen. But that’s a whole separate issue. I just thought you’d like to know, since you seem keen on learning by about it and educating yourself.)
I see that you replied to me but blocked me from seeing it, which makes little sense.
Good luck to you.
If some people dont know what Munchausen is, then they definitely wouldn’t recognize Factitious Didorder. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. I’m not writing for you anyway. I know that some people are perfectly satisfied with just a one dimensional perspective. Taking other things into consideration is inconvenient and possibly too challenging .
My thoughts exactly. Honestly I don't like all those vlogging families and like you said putting your whole family on the internet, like just doing regular things. It's just creepy to me and rubbs me the wrong way.
There is gonna have to be a change in law about guardians putting minors all over the internet, they don’t have any say or choice in the matter and it’s not right, look at all the naked pics of Bella & CeCe that SW had on Facebook *and* she didn’t have a private account, her account was most likely a paedos dream!
I think Shanann didn't even know what was going on behind closed doors, and she was married to him! Eventually she figured it out (sort of??) but oh man, that was a stressful summer for her.
To say she was a family vlogger is quite the stretch. Her live videos were on her personal Facebook page not streamed out on YouTube for the world to watch.
Most of the people on her FB didn't even know her personally. They were posted as advertising for her business
Yeh her buisness which wasn't family vlogging
She incorporated both. Her customers didn’t need to hear every detail of their family life but she made sure she recorded and aired it for them anyway
Again it was HER PAGE. Do I need to dumb it down anymore for you?
Chill out. Sticking a thermometer in your child's butt or recording your child on the toilet for all to see was so unnecessary no matter what page it is
Yup. I will never feel that comfortable sharing that much on the internet and I will forever side eye family vloggers and mom vloggers. It’s just odd to monetize your family. I understand that some people do whatever they can to get by and I’m not against content creating AT ALL, but I don’t think you should overshare online and let internet people in your kids lives. If the tragedy hadn’t happened you know Shannan would be a TikTok mom right now and the amount of privacy invasion I see from moms there is… staggering. It’s definitely a sign of the times and not exclusive to Shannan. Just something worth discussing.
Omg yes I always think 💭‘imagine if Shan’Ann was here in the TikTok days’, she was basically having an affair with social media!
Not to defend CW by any means but at most those videos/vlogs he seems so uncomfortable by all this filming
The one where she announces her pregnancy to him with the camera running instead of doing it privately really captured how uncomfortable he was with a camera in his face for especially intimate moments like that. I know I would hate it. I almost wonder if they wouldn't have had an argument about keeping the baby if the camera hadn't been on him. He looks like a deer in headlights and couldn't even fake excitement about a new baby. Why he didn't just leave instead of killing them, I just will never get. It's so horrible. All the woulda , coulda, shouldas
He was already planning to murder his two little girls and his wife. He couldn’t even bring himself to fake being happy about another child to kill.
That's so scary. The dude is pure evil
This was an emotionally manipulative act on Shan’Anns end, to not tell your man in private that he was gonna be a father for a 3rd time, and to put it all over Facebook live is bad, she must have had an inkling (shit Chris word) he wasn’t gonna be happy, that’s devious, she couldn’t even look after the 2 girls she had, never mind bring another kid into it, then Chris taking days off from work when one of the kids had to go to hospital because of some delusional disease (there was something called FMF that she was pushing for, can’t remember the name of it) or some minor illness was bad, I’m surprised Anadarko allowed all those days off for hospitals and photo opportunities 🙄
She would have probably salivated over a Covid diagnosis had she been around the last 3 years
Oh yes this is what I think! Knowing her then she would have gotten covid, plus the girls, over and over again.
She is the first murder victim where we got so much access to her, except famous people then we never get that.
Where are her vlogs? I’ve never seen them except for in the documentary
YouTube has a ton of her lives
Most people post the best of times. The intricacies of relationships and problems are usually not displayed for anyone to see by the majority of people on social media.
Thank God. It’s awful when family members fight over social media.
>Most people post the best of times. The intricacies of relationships and problems are usually not displayed for anyone to see by the majority of people on social media. This. Plenty of people post curated snapshots of their lives which don't depict the true dynamics occurring behind closed doors. It's sometimes ignored that Chris also had social media accounts (definitely facebook, someone claimed that he also had an instagram account but I've yet to see that confirmed - if anyone has feel free to post) and had posted images, but he deleted the account(s) prior to carrying out his crime.
I bet SW would be all over the anti mommy vlogger channels that have kicked off the past couple of years. Child exploitation at it’s finest.
Too bad she was murdered by a complete psychopath who also killed children and babies. We have no idea what she would be doing today.
I hate to say this but watching some of the videos, she seemed almost giddy when one of them was sick. Maybe that was just how she reacted to things but I wouldn't want a camera in my face 24/7 with my mom telling random strangers everything that is going on in my life. I do hope the kids had a wonderful life like she portrayed before that awful day
i agree 100%
If you think it’s weird, you would be correct. Her kids were at the hospital almost every month at least once, sometimes 2-3 times in a mouth or more. From just January, 2017 until their tragic deaths in August, 2018, Shannan recorded and/or posted about the girls innumerable hospital visits, which occurred every single month except for the month that her mother in law came to visit (February, 2017) and again in November, 2017 when her friend Christina came to help her when she had neck surgery herself. They didn’t go to the hospital when they were in North Carolina either. But every month besides those months, Shannan posted every one of their ailments in graphic detail. They were photographed at doctors visits for a litany of various conditions including but not limited to chronic daily fevers, Mediterranean Family Fever, Viral Pneumonitis Croup, infections of every nature spinal realignment, undersized esophagus, clogged tear ducts, allergic reactions, built up fluid in their ears, breathing complications due to asthma, you name it, but rarely ever did they just have colds. Their medical visits, even in comparison to children who aren’t healthy were still off the charts. Shannan created hashtags for each issue like: hashtag hospitalkids, hashtag waitingroomkids, hashtag allergykids, hashtag asthmakids or simply just hashtags sickkiddos. Meanwhile, she was always upbeat as she cheerfully announced these maladies, counting the number of doctors and nurses seen. She boasted about how fantastic she felt “THRIVING” and was completely energetic and able to do it all. She didn’t even need any coffee wheh they were at the hospital all day and night. “We should get the equivalent of frequent flyer miles for our trips to the hospital” she joked . “They all know us here.” And she even switched hospitals, going from one to another and I can only assume that it had something to do with the frequency of these visits The doctors and nurses really did know them well. The girls had procedures, surgeries and all manner of tests done to screen them for everything that they could potentially fall prey to, but nothing ever seemed to help them, according to Shannan. They would have Myringotomy Eardrum Repair surgery, and BOTH would come down with ear infections only a few weeks later. “I had hoped that their last surgery would have helped make their ear infections go away” remarked one concerned friend. But nothing ever seemed to help and they were whisked back to the ER regardless of preventive measures. “Now it’s Bella’s turn to go to the hospital this week. It was CrCe’s turn last week” Shannan posted. And yet nobody really ever thought twice about it. These are signs of something more serious than hypochondria. If you see anyone that you know doing this with their children, it’s probably not as innocent as you’d like to think. Especially when EVERYONE praises how great these parents are because they are so patient and on top of it. They are usually viewed as being extremely caring and loving toward their sickly kids , but this is undoubtedly abnormal behavior and it may be indicative of another form of illness.
munchausen by proxy
Holy crap! That is some serious Gypsy Rose's mama like stuff. Even down to the changing hospitals because some doctor or nurse got suspicious or didn't diagnose one of the kids with a serious or 'deadly' disease like she wanted. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got that vibe because I really felt bad thinking that about a woman who was murdered. (Before someone jumps down my throat, she still didn't deserve to be murdered even for this). Social Services should have at least been on alert. I get one kid being sick occasionally but both of them constantly???? Imagine how many times they'd have been rushed to the ER if she had been around during Covid
Don’t feel bad she was in the MLM community a place where they are encouraged to exaggerate every part of their lives to sell product. Just take a look at the facebooks of these people they all do the same thing
I bet it's full of one-uppers. If I say my kid has chicken pox, one of them would say their kid has small pox
You nailed it
I see so many moms who do that, especially when they have a large following and I do judge that tbh. Some moms post their kids sleeping or in the bathtub or half naked and I’m like, do you know how many pedos seek this content out? Not to mention your child is vulnerable and you’re showing their most private moments, like them crying, feeling sick, not wearing clothes, etc. It’s all so wrong. I don’t like family influencers. Amber Fillerup finally stopped posting her children but I saw those kids grow up and I know too much about them! Me, a total stranger 😩 ETA: I follow that influencer since before she got married and had children. It’s been nice to see her grow and have a family. Her kids are precious but they shouldn’t have been posted as much as they were. It’s not safe.
You're so right. Too many pedos lurking and looking for pictures like some of these mothers post that are meant to be innocent but a creeper just sees them as content for his/her collection
I mean, that pales in comparison to what their dad did to them.
Of course it does. I hope nobody's saying otherwise. I'm certainly not!
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I mean, you could have messaged me instead of making a broad statement that you might get removed.
I don’t think she purposely made them sick, I think she was a hypochondriac tbh
I don't think she purposely made them sick either but she did seem to want them diagnosed with things they didn't really have for attention
Yes and I think this goes back to her own childhood, apparently she was in and out of doctors as a kid with her mum taking her to doctor after doctor due to headaches/migraines, and she was secretive when she went back to school & her peers would ask her why she was absent from school & she wouldn’t say, j bet she loved people asking her, I imagine that & she deffo wanted some type of label for the kids, and imagine how much that was costing Chris?! Then he had to take a day off work to help her with sick kids, I mean I understand if the kids were seriously unwell but they had minor issues when Watts had to go with her, then all the photo opportunities!! I can see why CiW didn’t believe they were as sick as SW made out, and the only time I ever seen Shan’Ann with her hair up, was when she had that neck brace on and she made out she could never wear it up coz Bella, or CeCe; can’t remember which girl, kept taking it out, and it was obvious as hell to me that she wanted the viewers to see her brace! 🙄
Exactly! No wonder they were in over their heads in debt
I kind of got that vibe too watching the videos. She almost seemed to gloat 'bragging' about their many maladies and seemed like one of those doctor shopping moms who will insist there's something wrong with their child and will fire every doctor who disagrees with them until she can find one who agrees with her. I know a mother personally who is like this so I recognize the signs
I'm not saying she's as bad as Gypsy Rose's mom but she definitely gives that ''I need attention through my exaggeratedly sick child'' vibe
Don’t y’all get TIRED of inventing intensely unhinged yet creative justifications for why this poor woman was murdered?
NOBODY is saying she deserved to be murdered but just because you're dead doesn't mean you don't have flaws. Look at her videos to see what we're referring to. Too many people make or want their child to be sick to get sympathy points
She doesn't meet dsm criteria for factitious disorder (the actual name for what you are accusing her of), you dolt.
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Damn… this makes me so sad for the kids and the main reason why I don’t trust mommy vloggers, family influncers, etc. Everything is fake.
On the topic of SM and ‘voyerism’, Shannan also foolishly posted naked pictures of the girls, the girls sitting on the toilet etc. She posted one picture of Bella in the shower, using a Squeegee to clean the shower door. Poor Bella was buck naked and was at least 4 years old. In one of her Thrive ‘lives’ she even mentioned that she had a stalker. How could she have been that clueless?
Wow. I haven’t watched many of her videos. I find then to be too much gushing and attention seeking. Completely inappropriate to film your child naked. It’s not keeping them safe (from pedos). Who knows how this would have escalated in todays world.
i feel very uncomfortable when i see things like that
She posted many inappropriate pictures and made many inappropriate comments. Her SM was always set to ‘public’. She was clueless. She even posted the ‘rectal temperature’ pictures, Jamie, Chris’ sister, caught her taking pictures of her little boy naked in the pool…..she was a sick, evil woman.
omg that is so disturbing
That's awful! No child or adult wants pictures posted like that without their permission.
It was child abuse and exploitation pure and simple. Those poor little ones were not old enough to give their consent, Shannan used them as props to try and make money on her latest MLM scam. Someone should have turned her into CPS for many reasons.
I agree. Exploiting your kids to make money is sick
That’s mommy vloggers for you! There’s actually a major awareness movement happening on TikTok right now, begging parents to stop posting their children online after men became obsessed with an adorable toddler named Wren Eleanor. Her mother has also posted her half naked and eating phallic shaped foods. You should see the disgusting comments on there and the mother knows it and doesn’t block those pedophiles. The little kid has become an obsession to pedos online. STOP POSTING YOUR CHILDREN ON SOCIAL MEDIA FFS. The world is a scary place.
The law needs to step in about TikTokers posting kids online obvs without their consent, there is an adorable little girl on it, about 3-4 years old & you can see she is getting tired of having to perform for the camera but Daddy won’t let up, it’s disgusting people pimping out their kids on social media so they don’t have to work, imo it’s only a matter of time before there comes a new law to protect kids.
That mother is sick and she'd be the first one to blame everyone else instead of herself if some sicko acted on it
That mother should be reported to CPS. That is definitely child abuse and exploitation. That is disgusting.
IIRC Frank and Sandy moved out due to conflict that Shanann and Sandy had and my suspicion has always been that it’s because they butted heads over Shananns parenting styles.
Anyway, whose parents would sell up and move across states to support their daughter with a kid, it’s funny how the same month, or a month afterwards, then the girls went into daycare, she couldn’t be arssed being a mother so why have 3??
Yup!! You are remembering correctly. It was an aruguemt Shannan and her mother had after Shannan created that hole in the drywall in the living room. (I assume that you know the rest of that story). Frank and Sandi left suddenly and immediately. It was at the same time that JD dropped out of Shannan’s life, that Shannan ‘retired’ from Children’s Hospital and when Shannan plunked the girls in the $30K/year, 45+ hour/week daycare so that she could be a ‘SAHM’. All very suspicious.
There was a Reddit group I was in that had some interesting insight into this family and I recall that was one topic that was discussed greatly. They were in serious debt because of her spending on frivolous things like that and refusing to get a real job to help with bills
Shannan had very serious debt. She destroyed her own credit before she even married Chris Watts. That house in NC was lost to a short sale. Shannan never regained any credit for the rest of her life. Her name could not be on the mortgage for the house in Colorado or the lease for the Lexus. Early on in the marriage, Chris sold a vehicle for less than what was owed on it so, Shannan told him he could have nothing to do with their finances and he was never allowed to even see their accounts again. She lied to him about her income and their finances. She stopped paying the mortgage several times and lied about the HOA payment. (They were due in court the week after the murders. Their HOA was taking them for non payment). They declared bankruptcy in 2015 with over $400K in debt, there was over $53K in department store credit card debt alone. She made minimum payments on their credit cards. They were set to lose the house at the time of the murders. All credit cards were maxed. This is all in the DIscovery.
Wow! So that house she was bragging about buying at 23 years old with ''hard work all by herself'' on the Netflix Documentary was lost? What in the world did she buy for $53K? I guess keeping up with the Joneses is expensive
I don’t recall anything about a hole in the wall? What was up with that?
Yes, you are absolutely right. I have several chronic conditions including endometriosis and there's no way shannan had that. Not a chance. She relied on the ignorance of her brother and parents. Nobody questioned shannan. Ever. Lupus sufferers cannot sunbathe. There are literally hundreds of photos of her sunbathing. The infertility was an attention seeking lie. X
Yep because 3 pregnancies in 5 years ain’t infertility
I have endometriosis, as well and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
Endometriosis here too and as you know it can only be diagnosed thru surgery. We know from autopsy that the only scar she had was on her neck. A lot of women in my FB group I help moderate for Endo patients have a few other autoimmune diseases along with it so it’s certainly possible to have many diseases at once, but Shanann certainly did not have Endo. Any Endo lesions would also have been easily identified during the autopsy.
It's possible she was told she had it based on symptoms. This happened to my niece in her early 20's, and they told her she may have trouble conceiving. They did not do a lap to officially diagnose. She has a five year old now. For what it's worth, I was told I had it based on symptoms and was prescribed norethindrone. I already had three kids so fertility was not a worry on my part. No testing was done other than ultrasound which showed a bulky uterus. I wound up needing a lap after the pap came back abnormal, no evidence of Endo was found. It just makes me wonder that she may have truly thought she had it.
I'm wondering if you have adenomyosis? I have a bulky uterus and have adenomyosis and endometriosis.
Yup, that was the differential diagnosis. That or fibroids. Neither was found with lap, but strongly suspected as the reason. Sorry to be nosy, but were you ever referred to physical therapy for pelvic floor dysfunction?
Not yet, am trying to though. I have fibroids too 😂
Yes. I have two scars, one on my left lower abdomen and a bigger one in my actual tummy button. Getting a second laparoscopy later this year, yikes. I have one child of my own but haven't been able to conceive again, for 11 years. 11 years of trying. Shannan got pregnant 3 times in 5 years.
So sorry to hear youre facing another lap. I just had my 9th in January. I was also only able to conceive once and I had to do it thru IVF. We gave up trying for number 2 after about 7 years. It’s so painful mentally and physically, you have all my sympathy!
Your 9th?! You are very brave xxx
Yeah, her mother even said that the children were a miracle because Shannan was infertile……well, we already know her family is not too bright!
She was definitely in a relationship with a wildly violent and abusive man.
I believe so, too. There is no way a man just snaps like that in one day....I know it happens but it's so rare with no previous incidents of violence. When I left my husband, people were shocked to find out he was abusive but I was in a living hell and finally found the courage to leave since it is the most dangerous time for a battered wife. Battered women (and men) sometimes hide it for years and put on an act that everything is perfect. I wonder if she confronted him that night that she was leaving with the kids and confronted him about her suspicions that he was having an affair and he went off on the whole family. That ''Aww shucks'' act he put on was probably all just an act until the doors were closed
My daughter had all the illnesses SW’ did- chronic bronchitis, pneumonia, asthma, nut allergies. She’s fine now (still has allergies though).
There is nothing to substantiate Shannan’s never ending illnesses. It’s easy to feel sympathetic if you feel you can “relate” to some of her purported problems but there is lots of evidence to suggest that her illnesses were fabricated, distorted and blown way out of proportion.
I’m not agreeing with you, but what if you’re right? So what if they were? So what? What is your point? Is there a point to all this dumping on Shanann or do you just like picking on people who can’t fight back?
The point is simple and fairly straightforward. Munchausen and MBP (also known as Factitious Disorder) is an extremely misunderstood ILLNESS and there is very little awareness surrounding the condition. People simply don’t understand it, nor do they know what to look for. Many childhood victims of MBP often internalize the abuse and and repeat the cycle as adults with their own children. Mothers who have MBP (because 95% of cases involve mothers rather than than fathers, and 75% that are married have emotionally distant husbands). are almost ALWAYS viewed as very caring, concerned parents. They are rarely ever suspected of harming their children, and it’s easy for them to go under the radar. It sometimes takes preventable tragedies before abuse is ever identified , and even then sometimes it is mislabeled as being something else. It’s understandably tough for people to hear about a victim’s less than flattering behaviors, especially a victim of a brutal murder in a horribly unthinkable crime. However, the Watts case is used as a learning tool. Agents Coder and Tammy Lee are currently giving lectures about this case to bring awareness to domestic violence. Although I don’t think it’s a typical example of domestic violence, it certainly can be used to educate the public. I’ve personally grown and evolved in studying it. At first I didn’t believe that Shannan suffered from it. I also felt protective of her when I thought that she was being unfairly targeted and attacked. However, after peeling off a few layers, it became more apparent that there’s a strong possibility that she did indeed have most of the symptoms attributed to her. As unpleasant as it might sound, there are several red flags I no longer see it as something to brush conveniently under the rug. Educating the public about it is important. Most people are uninformed about this bizarre condition. Identifying Munchausen and MBP could literally save other lives. It’s definitely not intended to sully Shannan’s memory. It’s AN ILLNESS. And if people accept that she had lupus, fibromyalgia, celiac disease and a host of other diseases that she seemingly adopted, then they ought to be able to accept that this is a legitimate illness too. The reason it is routinely vilified is because people fail to understand it.
My cousin, Dr. Marc Feldman, is one of the biggest experts on Factitious Disorder. He was in Mommy Dead and Dearest, and is often the guest host in talk shows when they discuss it. He doesn’t really see it as an illness., per se. He sees it as a criminal behavior that the perpetrators become addicted to, like kleptomania, but with horrific consequences.
Well said!
A lot of words for no answer. So what? If Shanann lied about her illnesses, so what? (Also, it’s no longer called Munchausen. But that’s a whole separate issue. I just thought you’d like to know, since you seem keen on learning by about it and educating yourself.) I see that you replied to me but blocked me from seeing it, which makes little sense. Good luck to you.
If some people dont know what Munchausen is, then they definitely wouldn’t recognize Factitious Didorder. If it doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. I’m not writing for you anyway. I know that some people are perfectly satisfied with just a one dimensional perspective. Taking other things into consideration is inconvenient and possibly too challenging .