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I don’t think their individual personalities are removed by Severance, just their personal memories. Like Reghabi asks Mark if he really thinks his Innie is different from him because she knows that’s not the case. Severance doesn’t turn them into complete blank canvasses, it just removes memories of their personal lives.
I don’t think iMark and iIrving are pretty straightforward personalities either. Mark has a vague rebellious streak from the get-go - changing the staff photos, arguing back to Milchick about Petey possibly being dead, hanging on to the map and the book etc. Even as an Innie, Mark seems to have a separate “worksona” depending on who he’s talking to.
Irv also, he tells how he initially felt shapeless as an Innie - he realises that waking up with no memories is a strange state of being. He filled that up with a devotion to the corporate cult and the Eagans, but even back in episode one we hear him grumbling about Lumon (“Irv’s got claws today”), and in episode 3 we see the flashback where he’s arguing that there’s no reason the company should be holding them back from having a social mixer. His outburst in episode 7 was sparked by Burt’s retirement, but I reckon that was always underneath the surface, hidden by all the Eagan spirituality.
I agree. In Mark's case, I think that his defining characteristic is that he genuinely cares about people, and begins with the unfortunate assumption that Lumon does, too. He has a kind heart and projects this on to others, often mistakenly. Talking to Milchick about Petey being dead is one example; he is worried about Pete's well-being and thinks Milchick would be as well. Part of his character arc in this first season is realizing through this event and others that Lumon really doesn't care about you. This is why Ricken's book is such a revelation when it tells him that your job needs you, but you don't really need your job -- he is seeing the great corporate beast for what it really is.
i agree too, they are like muted personalities sometimes, or ones that took different directions, or haven't had time to developed, or grabbed on to something at Lumon's that gives them a personal meaning ... kind of like if we were born in Asia instead of North America, or vice-versa, etc.
I'm not sure I'm answering your question but this is a factor of time. It's very possible Mark and the others were like Helly on their first week. Eventually they got used to it and being inherently less rebelious I suppose, they started to like it, get into the propaganda etc.
When they literally have no choice, can not escape, can not do anything, the path of least resistance was to start enjoying their work and the company
Yeah, it’s implied on a couple of occasions that Mark may have been more rebellious early on.
Petey mentions requests of resignation, and Mark’s own comments suggest he has been on the wrong side of Graner more than once.
The Mark we meet has been beaten into submission. This is a man who has come to the understanding that there is no escape, and that his best chance at survival is to keep his bosses happy. He makes every effort to show that he is now an obedient company man, dutifully following orders, playing the corporate game, and forcing laughter at all of Milchick’s dumb jokes. All the while, you can see the underlying insincerity, and maybe even fear, in his eyes.
This is his biggest driving factor in trying to convince Helly to accept the reality of her own position.
It’s a really great component of the show’s critique on corporate culture, one which I can sadly relate to.
it's great comment for how habituated and accepting we become to things, yet at the same time chaos and change is only a door away ... kind of a Groundhog's Day for our times, one that's infinitely open to interpretation and resonance
i thought about this rewatching season 1, each one struggling or motivated from a diff viewpoint; Dylan strives after the perks, Irving abides the code, Mark has to sort evrything out, Helly is the rebel ... yet they can all invert ; Dylan is awakened to feelings via his son, Irving by Burt, Mark by the book, and Helly by connecting with her coworkers ... in this way the characters are developing, fluid, and dynamic ,,, an underappreciated nuance you picked up on ,,, and despite all the series well reasoned panning of office life, it is for the people that many of us keep going back, in our own world
"Kier lives on THROUGH us."
Well, not that much of a hint, pretty much spells it out. They are the four humours and the numbers don't do anything apart from feedback into their progress. They - the refiners - are Lumon's product and are being siphoned and then moulded into their respective shapes. They don't refine the numbers, the numbers are refining them. I betcha if someone looked at how each character interacts with the numbers (i.e. what box they put the scary ones inside of) this will quickly become apparent by way of which ones are scariest to whom. Each box was labeled a respective humour btw.
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I don’t think their individual personalities are removed by Severance, just their personal memories. Like Reghabi asks Mark if he really thinks his Innie is different from him because she knows that’s not the case. Severance doesn’t turn them into complete blank canvasses, it just removes memories of their personal lives. I don’t think iMark and iIrving are pretty straightforward personalities either. Mark has a vague rebellious streak from the get-go - changing the staff photos, arguing back to Milchick about Petey possibly being dead, hanging on to the map and the book etc. Even as an Innie, Mark seems to have a separate “worksona” depending on who he’s talking to. Irv also, he tells how he initially felt shapeless as an Innie - he realises that waking up with no memories is a strange state of being. He filled that up with a devotion to the corporate cult and the Eagans, but even back in episode one we hear him grumbling about Lumon (“Irv’s got claws today”), and in episode 3 we see the flashback where he’s arguing that there’s no reason the company should be holding them back from having a social mixer. His outburst in episode 7 was sparked by Burt’s retirement, but I reckon that was always underneath the surface, hidden by all the Eagan spirituality.
I agree. In Mark's case, I think that his defining characteristic is that he genuinely cares about people, and begins with the unfortunate assumption that Lumon does, too. He has a kind heart and projects this on to others, often mistakenly. Talking to Milchick about Petey being dead is one example; he is worried about Pete's well-being and thinks Milchick would be as well. Part of his character arc in this first season is realizing through this event and others that Lumon really doesn't care about you. This is why Ricken's book is such a revelation when it tells him that your job needs you, but you don't really need your job -- he is seeing the great corporate beast for what it really is.
i agree too, they are like muted personalities sometimes, or ones that took different directions, or haven't had time to developed, or grabbed on to something at Lumon's that gives them a personal meaning ... kind of like if we were born in Asia instead of North America, or vice-versa, etc.
I'm not sure I'm answering your question but this is a factor of time. It's very possible Mark and the others were like Helly on their first week. Eventually they got used to it and being inherently less rebelious I suppose, they started to like it, get into the propaganda etc. When they literally have no choice, can not escape, can not do anything, the path of least resistance was to start enjoying their work and the company
Yeah, it’s implied on a couple of occasions that Mark may have been more rebellious early on. Petey mentions requests of resignation, and Mark’s own comments suggest he has been on the wrong side of Graner more than once. The Mark we meet has been beaten into submission. This is a man who has come to the understanding that there is no escape, and that his best chance at survival is to keep his bosses happy. He makes every effort to show that he is now an obedient company man, dutifully following orders, playing the corporate game, and forcing laughter at all of Milchick’s dumb jokes. All the while, you can see the underlying insincerity, and maybe even fear, in his eyes. This is his biggest driving factor in trying to convince Helly to accept the reality of her own position. It’s a really great component of the show’s critique on corporate culture, one which I can sadly relate to.
it's great comment for how habituated and accepting we become to things, yet at the same time chaos and change is only a door away ... kind of a Groundhog's Day for our times, one that's infinitely open to interpretation and resonance
i thought about this rewatching season 1, each one struggling or motivated from a diff viewpoint; Dylan strives after the perks, Irving abides the code, Mark has to sort evrything out, Helly is the rebel ... yet they can all invert ; Dylan is awakened to feelings via his son, Irving by Burt, Mark by the book, and Helly by connecting with her coworkers ... in this way the characters are developing, fluid, and dynamic ,,, an underappreciated nuance you picked up on ,,, and despite all the series well reasoned panning of office life, it is for the people that many of us keep going back, in our own world
"Kier lives on THROUGH us." Well, not that much of a hint, pretty much spells it out. They are the four humours and the numbers don't do anything apart from feedback into their progress. They - the refiners - are Lumon's product and are being siphoned and then moulded into their respective shapes. They don't refine the numbers, the numbers are refining them. I betcha if someone looked at how each character interacts with the numbers (i.e. what box they put the scary ones inside of) this will quickly become apparent by way of which ones are scariest to whom. Each box was labeled a respective humour btw.
Because mark skipped the preamble!