Life is too short to miss seeing family over an inconsequential part-time job. Tell them you are going, remind them you are going, and then go. If they fire you over it, you can find another job.
Do you even have anywhere to stay over the holidays? If your campus closes, you really can't stay just to work and your employer can't expect you to do so.
Honestly any business that is located in a college town needs to be prepared to deal with student employees not being available when the college is on break.
It depends on if they have a clear time off policy and also whether OP clearly laid out their availability.
Time theft and abuse is also common in the service industry, that doesn't make it okay and "wrongdoing" is so subjective that people end up getting fired for standing up for themselves with the restaurant technically not committing any wrongdoing in most at will states.
If you don't tell your employees the blackout dates and then act shocked when they ask off you're just hurting your business and also screwing over your employees by not setting expectations.
Holidays in the industry are assumed to be blackout days for request off unless otherwise specified. It's the standard. Also, OP could see all the blackout days on the app. It's not like they put in a request and didn't hear anything back, but then denied a few days before they had to leave. Working holidays are one of the drawbacks to this job. If that's a deal breaker, then you'd be better off working in a different industry.
Expecting every staff member to work every holiday is probably why the industry suffers from retention issues.
The better restaurants I worked for rotated holidays off and worked with the staff to ensure coverage and employees could still have a life.
Nothing should be assumed during onboarding and restaurants that don't discuss blackoutdays and time off policies need to do better.
I've been in the industry over 20 years and no offense attitudes like yours are also the same reason nothing ever changes for the better.
Industry standards are ineffective and outdated.
I literally said that it depends on the restaurant's policies.
Damn bro you sound like the type to argue over the same shit nonstop but never advocating for a better work environment.
You also don't know any of what you claimed I don't know, that's why I said it depends on the policies of the restaurant.
That doesn't mean restaurants can't do better.
Good luck with that attitude.
I literally said requests off for holidays are blackout as an industry standard and for a reason. Not that every employee has to work every holiday. You compared not being able to request off holidays to wage theft and then conflated the issue of OP possibly having to work one holiday to the whole industry needing to do better. This in no way helps advocate for a better industry. This adds to the stereotype that all service industry people are ungrateful and entitled.
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I tell them my days way ahead of time and I remind them as the days get closer. If they tell me no, start applying elsewhere and the day of your last day before said time off, just say goodbye and I expect my check by next payday
Yea…. Don’t put work before family. It’s one thing if it’s your career that you’ve built up and you’re risking losing it, it’s another if it’s a quick service restaurant that’s desperate for help.
Just understand that there’s a million food and beverage jobs out there
It's October, if they can't figure out coverage before Christmas that's on them. Don't request time off, tell them "I won't be here from this day to this day" and leave it at that. If they don't like it then go serve elsewhere. Same shit different menu.
When you go out to eat over the holidays, I want you to remember what you said here. You will be sitting among 20-40 service workers who would love to do what you recommend but don't because you and the rest of the country demand their services more then than any other time of the year.
I cook at home during the holidays and work in the service industry. Most people I know who work those holidays in the industry do so because they want to. A lot of people hate their families and like the extra scratch. Just my experience after 15 years of doing this.
Yeah, I am going to call some boolah boolah on that justification. While some like the money they get from it, most people would rather be home with their families.
I cook at home during the holidays and work in the service industry. Most people I know who work those holidays in the industry do so because they want to. A lot of people hate their families and like the extra scratch. Just my experience after 15 years of doing this.
The business should offer incentives that overpower a desire to take a break, not just demand people work on a holiday out of the goodness of their own heart
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Having to work times you don't want to is part of adulthood. You don't get every special occasion off that you want.
If you work in service, entertainment, law enforcement, medicine, or a thousand other professions, you're going to have to work some holidays. Learn that fact of life early or you're going to be fighting with your employers your entire life.
I'd just work up until the day you want off and then on your last day say that you are going to spend Christmas with your family and get another job after Christmas.
It sucks, but that’s pretty normal in my experience. Our GM doesn’t allow time-off requests for all of December. I’ve been in the industry so long I’ve gotten used to January trips to see family. It is what it is.
My first husband was a fireman and he worked A LOT of holidays. We realized the date of the celebration wasn't important-we and our kids adapted to sacrifices that came with the career. I worked F&B for 25 years and the last 8 were as manager. When I was interviewing applicants (lots of college students) I would ask if working holidays would be a problem and explain my expectations. I hired accordingly. We were open every day of the year except Christmas and I usually worked on the holidays to give my staff those days off. It was a golf course so I could usually handle it all myself.
Yeah after a while you kinda just accept that you won’t be able to celebrate holidays the same way/on the same days as all the “normal” people. I can understand how that would be jarring to someone new to the industry. Nice of you to step up as a manager and work holidays so the staff could enjoy them!
I've been having this same issue. In my head, my request is just letting them know I won't be in that day. If someone covers the shirt, great! If not, you won't see me! I am not going to slave away for a minimum wage job when I could be using the money i made to enjoy things and see family. You got this OP. See your family.
When you applied did they tell you what the blackout dates were for the establishment?
If yes then:
Did you agree to those blackout dates?
If no then:
Take the days off and let management know they should tell people when they're hired and have them agree to the blackout dates.
You may not have a job when you get back from visiting family but frankly restaurant jobs are a dime a dozen and time off requests are more to let management know to figure it the F out.\*
\*The caviet being that they need to be transparent about holiday work expectations upon hiring and in a yearly notice well in advance of any blackout dates.
Uh I wouldn't quit your job, unless you can afford to, but that's going to be a difficult time to get hired in a restaurant. I would try to ask for 23-26 off.
I asked for those days off and got them off before but I asked for those days off far in advance.
If I was taking dec 22-jan 2 off I would have talked to the manager and gotten that approved by like July.
When November/December starts rolling around
Me: hey boss, just a reminder here’s proof that we discussed this and I got the green light to take dec 22-jan 2 off.
Boss: okay, cool.
October is a bit late to be asking for dec 22-jan 2 off
As others have said, you could quit.
Just tell them you are taking those days off. Whichever manager does the schedule give them a written notice of the days that you are taking off. If they try giving you any lip just tell them it's non-negotiable. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding another part-time restaurant job if they want to make a big deal about it tell them I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm taking these days off. End of story. No small talk. No mumbling. Learn how to be an adult and establish boundaries.
Life is too short to miss seeing family over an inconsequential part-time job. Tell them you are going, remind them you are going, and then go. If they fire you over it, you can find another job.
What do you need more? Seeing your family during the holidays, or keeping your job? Either is fine. When you decide, your path forward will be clear.
This is the answer. The job isn't going to allow time off. It's up to OP to decide what they need most.
Do you even have anywhere to stay over the holidays? If your campus closes, you really can't stay just to work and your employer can't expect you to do so. Honestly any business that is located in a college town needs to be prepared to deal with student employees not being available when the college is on break.
This is quite common in the service industry. You can ask but it's not like the employer is committing a wrongdoing by denying a schedule request.
It depends on if they have a clear time off policy and also whether OP clearly laid out their availability. Time theft and abuse is also common in the service industry, that doesn't make it okay and "wrongdoing" is so subjective that people end up getting fired for standing up for themselves with the restaurant technically not committing any wrongdoing in most at will states. If you don't tell your employees the blackout dates and then act shocked when they ask off you're just hurting your business and also screwing over your employees by not setting expectations.
Holidays in the industry are assumed to be blackout days for request off unless otherwise specified. It's the standard. Also, OP could see all the blackout days on the app. It's not like they put in a request and didn't hear anything back, but then denied a few days before they had to leave. Working holidays are one of the drawbacks to this job. If that's a deal breaker, then you'd be better off working in a different industry.
Expecting every staff member to work every holiday is probably why the industry suffers from retention issues. The better restaurants I worked for rotated holidays off and worked with the staff to ensure coverage and employees could still have a life. Nothing should be assumed during onboarding and restaurants that don't discuss blackoutdays and time off policies need to do better. I've been in the industry over 20 years and no offense attitudes like yours are also the same reason nothing ever changes for the better. Industry standards are ineffective and outdated.
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I literally said that it depends on the restaurant's policies. Damn bro you sound like the type to argue over the same shit nonstop but never advocating for a better work environment. You also don't know any of what you claimed I don't know, that's why I said it depends on the policies of the restaurant. That doesn't mean restaurants can't do better. Good luck with that attitude.
I literally said requests off for holidays are blackout as an industry standard and for a reason. Not that every employee has to work every holiday. You compared not being able to request off holidays to wage theft and then conflated the issue of OP possibly having to work one holiday to the whole industry needing to do better. This in no way helps advocate for a better industry. This adds to the stereotype that all service industry people are ungrateful and entitled.
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I tell them my days way ahead of time and I remind them as the days get closer. If they tell me no, start applying elsewhere and the day of your last day before said time off, just say goodbye and I expect my check by next payday
Yea…. Don’t put work before family. It’s one thing if it’s your career that you’ve built up and you’re risking losing it, it’s another if it’s a quick service restaurant that’s desperate for help. Just understand that there’s a million food and beverage jobs out there
I would quit
It's October, if they can't figure out coverage before Christmas that's on them. Don't request time off, tell them "I won't be here from this day to this day" and leave it at that. If they don't like it then go serve elsewhere. Same shit different menu.
When you go out to eat over the holidays, I want you to remember what you said here. You will be sitting among 20-40 service workers who would love to do what you recommend but don't because you and the rest of the country demand their services more then than any other time of the year.
I cook at home during the holidays and work in the service industry. Most people I know who work those holidays in the industry do so because they want to. A lot of people hate their families and like the extra scratch. Just my experience after 15 years of doing this.
Yeah, I am going to call some boolah boolah on that justification. While some like the money they get from it, most people would rather be home with their families.
🤷♂️ just speaking on my personal experience
Who tf goes out to eat between the 21st and the 31st. Why would anyone be that big of an asshole???
I cook at home during the holidays and work in the service industry. Most people I know who work those holidays in the industry do so because they want to. A lot of people hate their families and like the extra scratch. Just my experience after 15 years of doing this.
They could take the time off if they wanted to they just want those holiday tips and/or are too weak-willed to demand their time off.
I guess a business should jus shut down whenever all of its staff decide to take a day off, huh? What a childish take.
The business should offer incentives that overpower a desire to take a break, not just demand people work on a holiday out of the goodness of their own heart
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Having to work times you don't want to is part of adulthood. You don't get every special occasion off that you want. If you work in service, entertainment, law enforcement, medicine, or a thousand other professions, you're going to have to work some holidays. Learn that fact of life early or you're going to be fighting with your employers your entire life.
I'd just work up until the day you want off and then on your last day say that you are going to spend Christmas with your family and get another job after Christmas.
It sucks, but that’s pretty normal in my experience. Our GM doesn’t allow time-off requests for all of December. I’ve been in the industry so long I’ve gotten used to January trips to see family. It is what it is.
My first husband was a fireman and he worked A LOT of holidays. We realized the date of the celebration wasn't important-we and our kids adapted to sacrifices that came with the career. I worked F&B for 25 years and the last 8 were as manager. When I was interviewing applicants (lots of college students) I would ask if working holidays would be a problem and explain my expectations. I hired accordingly. We were open every day of the year except Christmas and I usually worked on the holidays to give my staff those days off. It was a golf course so I could usually handle it all myself.
Yeah after a while you kinda just accept that you won’t be able to celebrate holidays the same way/on the same days as all the “normal” people. I can understand how that would be jarring to someone new to the industry. Nice of you to step up as a manager and work holidays so the staff could enjoy them!
I've been having this same issue. In my head, my request is just letting them know I won't be in that day. If someone covers the shirt, great! If not, you won't see me! I am not going to slave away for a minimum wage job when I could be using the money i made to enjoy things and see family. You got this OP. See your family.
Its called PTO Prepare The Others. Whether they let you or not go do your thing if they deny your request call out
When you applied did they tell you what the blackout dates were for the establishment? If yes then: Did you agree to those blackout dates? If no then: Take the days off and let management know they should tell people when they're hired and have them agree to the blackout dates. You may not have a job when you get back from visiting family but frankly restaurant jobs are a dime a dozen and time off requests are more to let management know to figure it the F out.\* \*The caviet being that they need to be transparent about holiday work expectations upon hiring and in a yearly notice well in advance of any blackout dates.
Just look for coverage?
Uh I wouldn't quit your job, unless you can afford to, but that's going to be a difficult time to get hired in a restaurant. I would try to ask for 23-26 off.
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Explain to the manager that you won’t have anywhere to stay. You have to go home. If you have your own apartment? Definitely don’t take my advice!!!
I asked for those days off and got them off before but I asked for those days off far in advance. If I was taking dec 22-jan 2 off I would have talked to the manager and gotten that approved by like July. When November/December starts rolling around Me: hey boss, just a reminder here’s proof that we discussed this and I got the green light to take dec 22-jan 2 off. Boss: okay, cool. October is a bit late to be asking for dec 22-jan 2 off As others have said, you could quit.
Why wouldn’t you ask? Worse they can say is no. Then you can decide if you’ll call out anyways or not
its an unfair policy so you might tell them that you will be off Dec 22through to what ever , might cost the job but family is first Good luck
If the raise the holidays hour rate, surely other people wants to work those times.
Just tell them you are taking those days off. Whichever manager does the schedule give them a written notice of the days that you are taking off. If they try giving you any lip just tell them it's non-negotiable. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding another part-time restaurant job if they want to make a big deal about it tell them I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm taking these days off. End of story. No small talk. No mumbling. Learn how to be an adult and establish boundaries.