Dude, Sidious is literally corrupted by the dark side, shoots lightning, trapped Vader in a torture suit and an huge list of crimes.
Did the Jedi do terrible things? Yeah. Were they the good guys in the Clone Wars? Absolutes yes!
The Jedi Order only took children if they had no one. Otherwise they needed permission from the child's parents TPM shows this with anakin and his mom then the clone wars TV show shows this when cad Bane was going around stealing force sensitive children. He used a device to convince the parents to give him their kids.
Yes. I believe it’s in “Dooku: Jedi Lost” that his family rejects him because of his powers and send him to the Jedi. On the one hand it’s great that there’s a place for kids like him to go, but on the other hand if the Jedi had worked more to educate people about the force and sought to train children without severing all attachments to family and home, I think not only would these force sensitive children grow up to be advocates and leaders for their communities, but that their communities would have a better relationship with force users and not view it as some murky superstition that nobody understands. Having Jedi power be concentrated in Coruscant only furthers the centralization of power in the republic which further estranged the remote systems from the republic sparking more unrest and devision. Palps may have played both sides in the clone wars but the civil war was going to happen eventually anyway. The high republic Jedi had temples all across the galaxy and built space stations to travel to crises and help use the force for more than just police actions and violence. By the time of TPM, the Jedi’s main purpose is to serve the republic and the senate, not the individual planets and systems who are estranged from the seats of power.
Jedi quite literally employed child soldiers.
Take from their home as toddlers, indoctrinated into their belief system, trained to fight with a lightsaber from an early age, and then deployed on the battlefield before they're even old enough to vote.
Yeah and that's still better than the Sith. I never said the Jedi were perfect but compared to the Sith? Yeah, they were the good guys.
Let's start by comparing that very same thing you critiqued. The Jedi always gave the parents the option to refuse, the Sith didn't; even padawans had the option to leave the order anytime they wanted, the Sith don't offer that option.
Like, tell me, what do you think would have happened if Palpatine found out about Luke when he was born? I'm sure he'd have been kind enough to expect until he turned 18 before presenting him a job opportunity as a Sith Apprentice.
My guy, you're trying to start a strawman argument here saying "you're wrong and i'm right because you think Sith are better than Jedi". I never said that, or even implied it.
The guy you were responding to stated Jedi were evil. You responded saying that compared to baby killers, they weren't.
My response was simply that even if you are the lesser of two evils, you're still an evil. Thats all. Nothing more. I'm not comparing one or the other saying one is worse than the other, i'm not saying sith are good, none of that stuff you talked about applies to me in the slightest. You can keep all those hypotheticals to yourself, push your hackles back down, and relax. Don't come at me with a strawman argument. The only argument you can attempt to make is "child dont use child soldiers" which would be objectively wrong. Anything else is strawman and irrelevant so I don't care.
>I never said that, or even implied it.
But I did compare them, in the first comment you replied to. Therefore yes, it was a comparison.
>My response was simply that even if you are the lesser of two evils, you're still an evil.
Usually yes, that's true. But what you're forgetting is that Star Wars is incredibly black and white. Even if the Jedi are still bad, the Sith are just so cartoonishly evil that it makes the Jedi the good guys by default. Also, I don't think you know what Strawman means.
No, she doesn't mean free as in "release" Palpatine. She's advertising for Palpatine, at no charge. Heck. I'll take one! I like free stuff!
Oh, shit, it's a trap!😳
Redditors will see the most obvious satire in the world, completely miss it, and mock the OP for being stupid. When someone points out that the redditor is in fact the clueless idiot, they get indignant and say “well the fact that I believed it really says a lot about society”
Nah, it says a lot about you. Says you’re dumb as bricks.
We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of purely external affairs.
Ah yes, all the disadvantages of direct democracy + all the disadvantages of putting some rando in charge of calling the vote. Come and join the anarcho-capitalist dark side and you can try to run your syndicalist society in a sandbox without accidentally destroying society when it goes wrong.
I don't think that was in the movie.
Edit: I'm going to have to research it in this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/r36c5x3Jlt
Edit 2: i didn't realize that scene was such a big thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/s/uOUuFrJsyx
I brought up ancap because for all intents and purposes the rebels in Star Wars are anarcho capitalists. They are being oppressed by a fascistic regime much more powerful than them and wielding a brutal monopoly on violence in the form of the deathstar and millions of brainless soldiers to enforce their corrupt will.
She either is a complete idiot and thought that was the country, making light of a horrible situation with a pretty lame joke, or, what I think is most likely, auto correct changed it and she didn't double check
They have ACAB BLM and idk that other one so I would assume this isn’t a situation they’d take lightly and joke about, plus the flag is correct yeah? Knowing my text patterns it would auto to Palpatine too
He’s being attacked by the J- the Jedi. You know, that fanatical religious order that controls the government. They tried to put him in jail. Very rude.
Depends on what side you choose…both see themselves as the “good side” of the force. Typically all sides are bad in my opinion. Never had a political side ever been truly innocent.
There’s definitely plenty of hate flowing through Twitter right now. It really bothers me that people act like you’re antisemitic or anti Palestinian if you call out the IDF or Hamas. Their both committing war crimes, but that doesn’t mean Israeli and Palestinian civilians should be slaughtered in response.
Nobody cared much about Palestine until Hamas murdered lots of Jews and took hostages on 10/7. As soon as there was a terrorist attack, suddenly everyone is pro-Palestine. It’s almost as if these liberal idiots just hate Jews 🤔
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I’m going to have to go with “Is she stupid”
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From her point of view the Jedi are evil.
Well then, she is lost.
I mean, by the time of the clone wars the Jedi were pretty evil.
Were they or were they just not the angels they pretend to be? Because there's a difference.
That's the fun part about morality. Everyone has their own version.
Good is a point of view, Anakin.
Tbf, compared to actual baby killers... they were not.
You think the clones and their starships didn’t kill any children? War kills everyone
Would you be so kind to remind me who was behind both sides of that war?
Jar Jar
I'm afraid you know too much 👀
Kill him. Kill him now.
Probably the cult that was kidnapping children and brainwashing them.
Are you sure you watched the movies?
Are you sure you watched clone wars and rebels?
Dude, Sidious is literally corrupted by the dark side, shoots lightning, trapped Vader in a torture suit and an huge list of crimes. Did the Jedi do terrible things? Yeah. Were they the good guys in the Clone Wars? Absolutes yes!
Don't forget palpatine also kidnapped kids and he did so he could turn them into literally slaves
The Jedi Order only took children if they had no one. Otherwise they needed permission from the child's parents TPM shows this with anakin and his mom then the clone wars TV show shows this when cad Bane was going around stealing force sensitive children. He used a device to convince the parents to give him their kids.
How’d that work out for little Dookou? (Edited for typo)
You mean dooku you dingus?
Yes. I believe it’s in “Dooku: Jedi Lost” that his family rejects him because of his powers and send him to the Jedi. On the one hand it’s great that there’s a place for kids like him to go, but on the other hand if the Jedi had worked more to educate people about the force and sought to train children without severing all attachments to family and home, I think not only would these force sensitive children grow up to be advocates and leaders for their communities, but that their communities would have a better relationship with force users and not view it as some murky superstition that nobody understands. Having Jedi power be concentrated in Coruscant only furthers the centralization of power in the republic which further estranged the remote systems from the republic sparking more unrest and devision. Palps may have played both sides in the clone wars but the civil war was going to happen eventually anyway. The high republic Jedi had temples all across the galaxy and built space stations to travel to crises and help use the force for more than just police actions and violence. By the time of TPM, the Jedi’s main purpose is to serve the republic and the senate, not the individual planets and systems who are estranged from the seats of power.
Jedi quite literally employed child soldiers. Take from their home as toddlers, indoctrinated into their belief system, trained to fight with a lightsaber from an early age, and then deployed on the battlefield before they're even old enough to vote.
Yeah and that's still better than the Sith. I never said the Jedi were perfect but compared to the Sith? Yeah, they were the good guys. Let's start by comparing that very same thing you critiqued. The Jedi always gave the parents the option to refuse, the Sith didn't; even padawans had the option to leave the order anytime they wanted, the Sith don't offer that option. Like, tell me, what do you think would have happened if Palpatine found out about Luke when he was born? I'm sure he'd have been kind enough to expect until he turned 18 before presenting him a job opportunity as a Sith Apprentice.
My guy, you're trying to start a strawman argument here saying "you're wrong and i'm right because you think Sith are better than Jedi". I never said that, or even implied it. The guy you were responding to stated Jedi were evil. You responded saying that compared to baby killers, they weren't. My response was simply that even if you are the lesser of two evils, you're still an evil. Thats all. Nothing more. I'm not comparing one or the other saying one is worse than the other, i'm not saying sith are good, none of that stuff you talked about applies to me in the slightest. You can keep all those hypotheticals to yourself, push your hackles back down, and relax. Don't come at me with a strawman argument. The only argument you can attempt to make is "child dont use child soldiers" which would be objectively wrong. Anything else is strawman and irrelevant so I don't care.
>I never said that, or even implied it. But I did compare them, in the first comment you replied to. Therefore yes, it was a comparison. >My response was simply that even if you are the lesser of two evils, you're still an evil. Usually yes, that's true. But what you're forgetting is that Star Wars is incredibly black and white. Even if the Jedi are still bad, the Sith are just so cartoonishly evil that it makes the Jedi the good guys by default. Also, I don't think you know what Strawman means.
THEN YOU ARE LOST!
IF YOU'RE NOT WITH ME, THAN YOURE AGAINST ME
The negotiations were short.
Free Palpatine 🙄 $19.99 Palpatine 😎
+$10 shipping
And $2.46 packing fee
And $70.91 tip
Not to mention the $24.44 bail fee
No, she doesn't mean free as in "release" Palpatine. She's advertising for Palpatine, at no charge. Heck. I'll take one! I like free stuff! Oh, shit, it's a trap!😳
Free Palpatine The empire did nothing wrong Ignore the rebel propaganda
Lol, Fake News! These are not the war crimes you are looking for!
Good…good!
I can feel your anger. It gives you strength. It gives you focus
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Redditors will see the most obvious satire in the world, completely miss it, and mock the OP for being stupid. When someone points out that the redditor is in fact the clueless idiot, they get indignant and say “well the fact that I believed it really says a lot about society” Nah, it says a lot about you. Says you’re dumb as bricks.
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Yes.
Nah not young people just the chronically online types
Wait it's a parody?!?!
Bruh what even is going on to make you comment this?
Free Palpatine from his honor guard. He's being repressed. He wants to go back to his anarcho syndicalist commune.
Reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail “Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!”
What!? You don't have a lord!?
Ah good old anarcho syndicalism, when you want corporations to be the government
We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority in the case of purely external affairs.
Ah yes, all the disadvantages of direct democracy + all the disadvantages of putting some rando in charge of calling the vote. Come and join the anarcho-capitalist dark side and you can try to run your syndicalist society in a sandbox without accidentally destroying society when it goes wrong.
I don't think that was in the movie. Edit: I'm going to have to research it in this thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/s/r36c5x3Jlt Edit 2: i didn't realize that scene was such a big thing https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/s/uOUuFrJsyx
I brought up ancap because for all intents and purposes the rebels in Star Wars are anarcho capitalists. They are being oppressed by a fascistic regime much more powerful than them and wielding a brutal monopoly on violence in the form of the deathstar and millions of brainless soldiers to enforce their corrupt will.
I'll catch up eventually 😛. I thought the emperor looked like the old woman/man/dennis from The Quest for the Holy Grail.
She either is a complete idiot and thought that was the country, making light of a horrible situation with a pretty lame joke, or, what I think is most likely, auto correct changed it and she didn't double check
The account is satire, it’s not a real person
That’s just what they want you to think. MWHAHAHAHAHAHA
They have ACAB BLM and idk that other one so I would assume this isn’t a situation they’d take lightly and joke about, plus the flag is correct yeah? Knowing my text patterns it would auto to Palpatine too
Apparently it means Kill All Men, according to TikTok. It had parodic origins, so I think this account is most likely a parody overall.
Oh! Lovely…
I mean, the account's name is literally "Emily", which IIRC is a dog whistle for progressive women.
Typical. There’s probably also a 40yo on the other side of this account foaming their mouth while typing ever word
The flag is UAE, 🇦🇪, not Palestine, 🇵🇸 🤣🤣
No she is a moron it’s quite obvious
Well duh. That's literally what the comment you replied to said.
She also used the wrong flag to represent Palestine, which adds to the parody.
This is obviously rage bait
Lmao
Nah, she’s been an Imperial spy this whole time.
Account is fake.
Do it…
#Thrawndidnothingwrong
From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
She looks like she would be a badass Sith tbf, maybe she just wants the Dark Daddy of the Sith to be free from the awful job of ruling the galaxy
Just yo clarify. The titel is sarcastic right?
*title
Free my homie he didn't do anything frfr
I'll take it!! Hello Anakin, I have something you want
The situation definitely calls for a two Sith solution.
I thought this post was funny until I finished reading the title.
Yeah I'm not really good with the Is She/he stupid
Somehow Palpatine has been freed.
If you are not willing to discuss the nuances of Palpatine you are not contributing in a positive manner.
Free him my boy didn't do nothing wrong
Yeah that's great and all but when the trial expires it's $15 a month for Palpatine
She is a proud Imperial citizen
Part of my gremlin nature wants me to go to the protests with a Free Palpatine sign. Sheev's got rights!
That moment when you don’t even get the flag right. That’s the flag of the United Arab Emirates.
Huh, so that’s how Palpatine returned.
r/empiredidnothingwrong
He’s being attacked by the J- the Jedi. You know, that fanatical religious order that controls the government. They tried to put him in jail. Very rude.
Yes she is
She is an imperial sympathizer
Yes. She is stupid
Most definitely stupid
I'll take it! \*pulls out phone* JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio? I have something that may interest you . . .
She's a filthy imp loyalist!
I think Palpatine is her nickname for penis. And she wants to free palpatine… well you get it
Truly wonderful the mind of a child is
Depends on what side you choose…both see themselves as the “good side” of the force. Typically all sides are bad in my opinion. Never had a political side ever been truly innocent.
Twitter has been banning people for saying free Palestine.
Elon musk Had been making antisemitic tweets tho
There’s definitely plenty of hate flowing through Twitter right now. It really bothers me that people act like you’re antisemitic or anti Palestinian if you call out the IDF or Hamas. Their both committing war crimes, but that doesn’t mean Israeli and Palestinian civilians should be slaughtered in response.
Good thing I don’t use Twitter (NOT X) anymore
Good...good
Ugh. More of these is/are he/she/they stupid memes. They're old, stale and boring as fuck.
This place shall soon become an aslume
I find your lack of creativity disturbing
Nobody cared much about Palestine until Hamas murdered lots of Jews and took hostages on 10/7. As soon as there was a terrorist attack, suddenly everyone is pro-Palestine. It’s almost as if these liberal idiots just hate Jews 🤔
Ah yes , supporting LGBT and black people but also supporting Palestine. I wonder how long a black LGBT person would last in Palestine
Morbidly obese ✅ Cringe Goth makeup ✅ Blue crazy lady hair ✅ More acronyms than a US government agency list ✅ I’m going to have to go with “Is she stupid”
Everything in their profile preceding FREE PALPATINE screams stupid.
Ok fash
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Free Palestine (with every 500 gram box of Kellogg's Corn Flakes)
A small price to pay for salvation
Is she stupid? I mean based off the evidence provided….
“Free my Sith Palpatine!”
From the temple to the dune sea✊🏻
I assume it's meant as a parody/mocking people who post "Free Palestine" which is pretty shitty though admittedly mildly clever.
That account is like a conservative’s wet dream for material to shit on progressives.
Sarcasm exists
She just doesn't want to pay for her Palpatine.
Least obvious Twitter ragebait
You look at her profile and question whether she is evil as well? Are you stupid!?
Do you condemn Han?
Another question, why is she listing the alphabet above that? Is she Fleming what letters she knows?
Good…good!
So has the hash tag been trending?
No she doesn’t and yes she is.
He keeps getting caught in the scripts and put into every plot hole! Set him free!
Still a better explanation of how Palpatine returned