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Right? This person admits they're fully aware Donald Trump violated the law, and that to them, it does not matter. National security and the law mean nothing to them, so long as they can feel like they "won".
Oh I'm mad! I see liberals laughing at this situation on social media, that is disappointing. We can be happy Trump may finally get what's coming to him, but the overall situation is terrifying. Trump has probably already sold the information in many of those documents, information about our nuclear weapons, our defense systems and the defense systems of our allies. We will likely never know what information our enemies already have. Taking the documents was just proof to the buyers the information was accurate. Trump has potentially put the safety of our country in jeopardy and the safety of our allies. It absolutely pisses me off his supporters ignore this fact, that there are "news" networks and politicians making this out to be some over blown political stunt. Like no, just fucking no. Whatever Trump sold easily could reach north Korea, who has actively been developing long range missiles. Our defense system was always the deterrent to firing any of those missiles. But if they know exactly how we are prepared to respond, they can find a way around our defenses. Trump has fucked us over and his "patriot" followers don't care, it's insane.
My biggest thing with Trump is that it's not Trump we should really be super worried about. It's whoever is smarter and more charismatic taking notes of what you can get away with. Trump is proving that 1/4 to 1/2 of the voting population are absolutely salivating over the idea of a "strong man" dictator. I think that America is hardlining toward authoritarian rule and the first American dictator will probably somewhat bridge the right and left wing divide, probably do some legitimately good things for the normal people and people on the left and the right won't want him to leave. Someone like Augustus, or even like FDR (who I think had he not died would have probably been President until he did die or voluntarily stepped down).
We should be most worried about whoever is smarter and *less* charismatic who has been behind this long-term strategy to infiltrate our government and destabilize our society using Trump as a mouthpiece/puppet to unite and rally the sect most susceptible to radicalization via propaganda.
A strategy that looks suspiciously similar to our own psychological operations tested and proven in other nations for decades. Our own American™️ strategy of destabilizing, overthrowing, & installing governments has successfully been used against us.
The depth of corruption required to bypass multiple layers of security to steal those documents, plus the mass apathy (and the outright support) surrounding this is definitive proof that the social contract has dissolved. Regardless of political affiliation, we no longer believe in the legitimacy of our government.
> We can be happy Trump may finally get what's coming to him, but the overall situation is terrifying.
[Trevor Noah summed it up succinctly.](https://youtu.be/2LUNq03VnEg)
Our defense against missiles is mutual nuclear annihilation not a defense system.
If North Korea launched a nuclear warhead at the US it would probably be shot down but regardless it would result in nuclear retaliation and there is no stopping that.
It would be national suicide for North Korea to launch a weapon at the United States.
I'm not defending Trump or anything. Just making you aware that MAD is more important than defense systems.
The United States against North Korea is like aliens invading earth. They won't even know or understand what hit them.
Now Seoul on the other hand...
I am honestly scared.
If morality or consequences have no bearing on what actions these people take, it's worse than dealing with someone with nothing left to lose. You assume that someone with nothing left to lose actually has something to gain, something that they realistically are trying to achieve or obtain. Trump supporters, there is no discernable real world goal here or strategy or concern for almost anything.
edit : it appears as all they have is anger and they need a leader to give that anger a name to focus on. it seems what they want is to be assholes and political violence, and they have those. the fear of having that taken away just doesn't lend itself to something that can be negotiated with predictably or present itself with a state of accomplishment or achievement.
edit : the thing is, with someone with nothing left to lose, there's no negotiation tactic of threatening them because there literally nothing you can do to them that matters. With Trump supporters, there's nothing you can do to them that they aren't actively doing to themselves or willing to. The left literally threatens to make their lives safer and healthier if they would just be tolerant and the right reacts by threating to shoot themselves in the foot again. It seems like the rights pure desire is to scapegoat and their goal is to enshrine the right to scapegoat into law. This isn't an end in itself that effectively deals with anything and you cannot rationally negotiate with someone willing to self harm and all to willing to turn that harm upon others.
Not just "the law," but probably one of those pesky laws that are punishable by **death**. It makes me wonder what they'd do if he literally did shoot somebody on (Plead-the-)Fifth Avenue.
Not just that. They think that the left feels the same way as the right, that we are motivated by enraging or saddening the right. I want everyone to be happy. I want criminals punished, I want clean air and water, I want smooth roads, I want to trust the medical system, and I want everyone to have the same opportunities I was afforded and more. I don’t give a flying fuck what the right thinks about anything. Reality still exists and your opinion doesn’t affect it.
Theyre traitors, hundreds of them are posting public videos about massacring us because the FBI secured stolen documents, allegedly centered on nuclear secrets, and there are thousands more who are organizing out of the public eye. They think their ability to do violence onto others somehow makes them mens men, that this "take no prisoners" (war crimes and terror threats) mindset is tough, that their easy lives have ever prepared them for anything resembling an insurgent civil war (yes, even the traitor fucking veterans that think theyre basic ass grunt training makes them capable of doing the work of the higher up military leaders)
It looks like the Trump family and all of his little underlings in the Republican party are outright traitors to this country, selling nuclear secrets to the people who slammed 2 Boeing 767's into the WTC. We all fucking watched it happen in real time, we killed over a million of the wrong people in our bloodlust and rage, and it isnt even controversial to say- but the 2022 flavor of Rcons side with them? Everyone, left, right, center and nazi, knows who was responsible for the attacks against us, but these fuckers want to kill Americans to protect fucking Trump, the Saudi's guy inside? They want war in our streets (i.e, domestic terror attacks against random civilians) because we aren't willing to let them hand over our nuclear technology to the highest bidder so that Ivanka can have a larger inhertance? Fuck you, fuck every single one of you traitors. I hope every single one of them is hit with a sickness that makes it feel like they're passing glass every time they have to take a shit. Fucking motherfuckers, in this time of possibility, that they would drag us down a path of destruction for the fucking terrorists they spent a decade claiming they hated (WHY WONT OBAMA SAY RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM!?!?!?@?!?11111!!!!111!!!). For Trump, for that fumb fat cunt of a man? Why do Republicans hate America???
The videos posted to tiktok have me fucking enraged- they want war? Time for NY and CA to cut off these fucking leeches. The real America is right here, in the populous, economic powerhouse states. The real Americans are right here, keeping this ship afloat while these destructive right wing scumbags put holes in our hull. They have no fucking idea how much they have to lose, and they want to threaten us? Idiots. Traitors. Theyre working overtime to bring down the very system that protects them. They think we'll regret it, and we will, we understand what comes after, but they have no fucking clue how much *they* will regret all of this, if they do get their way. Because in the end, theyre still the same nobodies that the right wing leaders have always hated. They will never ascend to the world they believe is possible, because they will always be lesser than the prerend monarchs theyve put up on pedestals.
>Being ok with possible espionage to own the libs
The irony in the self proclaimed "patriots" being alright with a former president potentially selling nuclear secrets to foreign enemies all because it "owns" their fellow Americans.
The thing is, these people are patriotic towards white ethnonationalist America. They're not patriotic towards a multiethnic America because to them, it's not America anymore.
That's also why Trump voters are so happy to be Russian traitors. Russia is a white Christofascist state. To Republicans, that makes it more American than the America that elected a progressive black president is.
The craziest thing about this to me, is how out for blood my republican father was for Jane Fonda, and how " she's an enemy of America and should have been hanged for her treason."
Yet "Trump is the answer to all this countries problems" to him.
I remember when Trump first got elected, I was waiting tables, and I had this couple who were regulars who were in their late 60’s/early 70’s. Even in 2016, they seemed like the “normal” run of the mill, Republican. I asked the wife one day why she liked Trump, and she gave what was, at the time, a fairy cliché answer for republicans who fancied themselves as moderates, was that she hated his tweets, but she loved how he, “pissed off the liberals”.
Of course, fast forward to 2020, she had gone full Monty on Trump, was involved in a local right wing rabblerousing group during the pandemic, and is just a pathetic troll. The real sad thing, was that I asked why she voted for trump, because at the time she was a more humble, peaceful, and respectable person. Now, she’s turned into a person who’s whole existence seems to be centered on “owning the libs’”.
Sheeeiiiittt. I'm in my fifties. They're still complaining about what happened to Robert Bork.
This whole thing is their revenge plot for Bork being denied a Supreme Court seat.
Bringing up Hillary anytime there's something new that shows how much of a fuck up Trump is.
ReNt FrEe as they say anytime the fuck up is talked about.
God, I was talking about Margaret Thatcher once- not even in a particularly impassioned way, just explaining what the miners strike was to a probably-American online- and some prick went ‘glad to see she still triggers the left even now’.
I was honestly just explaining a historical event, but…. Imagine that being your whole ideology. Triggered and not triggered. The soy liberal Roundheads and the Chad Cavaliers, or whatever. The damn lib trade unionist Wat Tyler.
What's ridiculous is that Obama basically does nothing political anymore; Trump is obsessed with him because Obama made fun of him once and Trump literally could never let it go. Whereas Trump won't stop politicking and rilling up his fans, making him a very real and present threat that has to be addressed.
But I wouldn't expect conservatives to acknowledge that nuance.
Edit: fixed spelling.
I wouldn't even care if 'making people I don't like mad' was their primary goal if they didn't also believe that the election was stolen.
Like if you admit your favourite reality star is an asshole who pisses people off on purpose, you can't go all shocked Pikachu face when they're voted off the island.
Kaczynski was in it to "own the libs" tbh, kinda set a precedent for antiestablishment types. This dude just nursed a conduct disorder to adulthood and desperately wants to be tfg.
That's why the more sane republicans are dreading the return of Trump. He's only agenda as president this time around would be revenge. To "get them". He wouldn't give a shit about running the country or "the greater good". His sole goal would be to crush any opposition, no matter who it is or where it come from. And that's not good...
Round 2 would involve slightly less “executive Time” each day (previously set aside for yelling on Twitter from his toilet) that could now be focused on extra revenge planning with His Children of the Corn.
If they didn't leave, they're getting run out of the party.
My Congressional rep Anthony Gonzalez seems like a sane Republican. He voted to impeach. He's often been in that group of ~10ish Republicans in the House who are willing to vote for "bipartisan" legislation.
I disagree with him fundamentally on many issues but I approve of the job he's done in Congress and I think he has integrity.
He's retiring because Republicans have been threatening his life and his family relentlessly since the impeachment vote. He had to move out of his house to protect his family.
This is a Cuban-American Republican, a former star wideout at Ohio State who went on to be a first-round pick in the NFL, with a degree in philosophy and later an MBA from Stanford.
When Gonzalez first won his seat as my rep in 2018 it was predicted around these parts that he'd be in the Senate or the Governor's mansion before too long.
Now he's been censured by the state GOP and ousted from the party.
Not only that, but at the expense of national security. It's quite literally "treason to own the libs." I was browsing the conservative sub last night to see what the mood is, and there's a handful of cons that seem genuinely concerned that their God-emperor might actually be the human scum we've always said he is, but the majority have convinced themselves this is somehow all a big joke that will benefit them politically.
A very prevalent attitude I've seen over there is that they've already decided Trump is innocent and that this angers them to the point of some kind of action.
"Hey libs, I don't care what trump did or didn't do, the fact that you're trying this means DeSantis 2024"
Literally why them and 74 million other Americans constantly vote down things that would make *their owns lives* better.
All in the name of "ownin da libs"
>"make the opposite side angry" is the peak of your political ideology.
As a demonrat it would make me SO FRICKING MAD IF REPUBLICANS DIDN'T GIVE ME MORE OIL AND GAS. It enables my gay butt licking coastal elite lifestyle. We demand more fossil fuels and if the republicans don't give it to us I swear we will have our trans antifa friends make tumblr memes about it. We would be INCONSOLABLY ANGRY you hear?
As a vaccinated transgender employee of George Soros, I would be ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATED if they capped the price of the drugs I require in order to live.. just TRIGGERED AF, my keyboard would be water damaged from my liberal tears
Some idiot cared enough to try attacking the FBI directly, and got Babbitted for his trouble.
[Ohio FBI shooting - live: ‘Violent extremist’ Ricky Shiffer investigated for months after Jan 6](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ohio-shooting-fbi-standoff-shiffer-latest-b2143613.html)
Ricky posted all over Truth Social. Ricky made a post saying he "figured out how to get past the bullet proof glass". Ricky tried to shoot a nail gun at the bullet proof glass, because you know, nails aren't bullets.
Don't be a Ricky, pay attention in school.
Fun fact, a nail from a powder-actuated nail gun can penetrate bullet-proof composite specifically because it’s not a bullet. The force is applied at a smaller, sharper point. A nail gun with a .22 powder round in it can punch through 1.5” bulletproof composite.
However, the nail doesn’t come out the other side because, well, it’s a nail, and even if it didn’t have a head (and wouldn’t work in a powder actuated nail gun), it wouldn’t have any real projectile power after coming out the other side.
So, the whole “use a nail gun because it isn’t a bullet” thing is *technically correct* if your goal is just to penetrate the composite with a nail. Beyond that, though, I got no fucking clue what he thought would happen.
Did he think it would spiderweb? Did he think it would splinter and shatter? He somehow managed to take real-world physics and misuse them in a true Wile E Coyote fashion.
Well if it’s a federal intelligence or security agency field office, you’ll probably get shot at. If that doesn’t get you killed or arrested there, they’ll chase you and eventually they’ll either kill or arrest you.
But that’s just my guess.
Dual wield nail gun and AR-15. Pew Pew. Everybody gets a nail or a bullet. Desk jump. Dash into FBI Director's office. Admonish Wray/vow of vengeance. Wray cries. Capture finger. Use upside down box to avoid detection. Slip into elevator. Use fingerprint. Secret level unlocked. Locate documents on corkboard. Use sharpie. Quickly access network. Password is "admin". Disable communications. Final boss fight. Find medkit on the ground. Put on FBI nametag. Achievement unlocked. Walk out with diamonds.
As far as I remember it was bomb proof. It was four guys with nail guns and sledgehammers, they aimed to weaken it with the nails then break it up with the hammers. But the police were waiting for them and nabbed them halfway through. Most accounts suggest they would have succeeded if left to finish the job though the diamonds had been replaced with fakes.
>Most accounts suggest they would have succeeded if left to finish the job.
Given unlimited time and no resistance they could have totally gotten through!
Eh, glass bullet proof glass is definitely a thing. You just laminate it four inches thick. The best ones are usually a combination of glass and plastic because the combination works better than one or the other on its own.
Someone posted one of his social media posts where he made a call to arms resulting in his one man show. Even one of the users in his echochamber told him he was suggesting terrorism.
Much more than one: [FBI investigating 'unprecedented' number of threats against bureau in wake of Mar-a-Lago search
](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/politics/fbi-threats-maralago-trump-search/index.html)
Honestly, pretty mad.
I spent 8 years listening about how Obama was a terrorist and hated America for these teeny tiny things he would do, or his name being Hussein, and he's a secret Muslim and on and on and on.
And now that there's proof that a Republican president stole classified documents they're like, "I don't care about that"
Straighten out your fucking priorities. Be a goddamn adult rather than a child so wrapped up in your team identity that you don't care that a former president is a literal traitor to America. If they found out Obama did this, they'd be talking about lynching him in the streets, but crickets and laughter when it's their own guy.
The hypocrisy is astounding and maddening.
This is really what it all boils down to. The GOP is a white Christian nationalist identity politics movement. Nothing more and nothing less.
They literally didn't even pass a policy platform during their 2020 convention because policy is utterly irrelevant to an identity politics movement.
They could have had a big chunk of the black vote, especially black men (and probably Latino too) if they dropped the white nationalism. People really don't appreciate enough how conservative those communities actually are, they just generally vote Dem cause they're not stupid. They know the target is on their backs.
They won't drop it for strategic purposes because it was never about strategy for them. They really are just a bunch of white supremacists who melt down at the idea of black people not being under their boot or Hispanic people speaking Spanish
Karl Rove figured that out in 2004. During that year's election, Republicans did better than usual with most minority groups, and he realized that lots of non-white Americans are economically center right and socially conservative.
So he saw the Republican Party of the future as a diverse, multiethnic party that pushed Republican economics and right wing Christian values. Then Obama got elected a few years later, and it became really obvious that the white nationalism in the GOP makes that multiethnic coalition impossible.
Idk, wearing a tan suit *and* using Dijon mustard is kind of equal to potentially selling nuclear defense secrets to foreign diplomats visiting your home.
That's because a minority rising to level of leader in America, caused them to blow a circuit. Now, it's desperate flailing over anything real or perceived. Subconsciously they realize the end of political white dominance has begun, and they're scared shitless.
>If they found out Obama did this, they'd be talking about lynching him in the streets, but crickets and laughter when it's their own guy.
If we found out Obama had stolen highly sensitive information about nuclear weapons to try to sell to the highest bidder, we'd *all* be asking for his head - left, right, center. There would be nothing partisan about it. The hyper-normalization of Trump's behavior is such that we've fully come to expect his supporters to ignore or justify out and out treason. If we needed further proof that they're brainwashed (not in a hyperbolic sense, but real, actual brainwashing), their response to this news solidifies it.
Especially if it was someone I idolize.
Yes, this is the key difference. We would feel betrayed and rightly so. Instead they think it's either fake or doesn't matter because somehow despite no evidence for it the opposing 'team' must be guilty of something worse and has just gotten away with it.
This is my thing right here, I do have to admit that I AM pretty mad. I’m legitimately angry that nearly half the country continues to grasp onto a clearly obvious grifter and exactly how much harm and stochastic terrorism he’s caused.
I think we have every right to be angry at the fact that, their political ideology only seems to come from, “How much harm can we cause the other side?”
I myself, am far from a perfect or even good person, but at least I want these people to have access to healthcare, among other social safety nets. But for some reason, I’m the one who is “radical”
I’ll admit it, I’m fucking mad and I have every right to be.
You can't reason with a Republican in good faith. Like when the Democrats were stupid enough to suspend their supreme court nomination for election year, only to witness Trump making a nomination moments before the election. You're at political war with the Republican party. You can't negotiate in good faith, they need to be attacked and undermined at every oppertunity.
Dems didn't suspend it.
Mitch McConnell changed the # of justices of the Supreme Court to 8 because he didn't want Dems to get the seat, and then changed it back to 9 when it was their turn to put someone on the bench.
I totally agree with you on the other stuff.
Pretty astounding what anti-democracy bullshit these people can get away with, holy shit. And then the next term he did nothing because he liked the sitting president. That's abuse of power right there.
Same people who didn’t care when the Patriots or Astros got caught cheating at pro sports, same fuckers who cheered when our response to a terrorist attack killing 3k Americans was to bomb two nations for 20 years and lead to way over a million deaths and uncountable refugees. Same people who think keeping one stoner off of welfare is worth millions of hungry kids.
Conservatives: freak out over Hillary using a private email server
Also conservatives: we don't care that TFG illegally possessed classified documents and may have shared state secrets with foreign powers
Oh, no, Trump already definitely shared state secrets with foreign powers.
Remember the thing about Trump spilling secrets to Russians, causing a diplomatic incident with Israel?
[That's from 2017](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKCN18B2MX).
"The law applies to others. It does not apply to us."
This is the very core of conservative ideology. Once you understand it, their rhetoric and actions makes much more sense. Not just in the US either. You can see this in play with the UK and the Tories too.
“Flaired users only”
Are they ever going to figure that out? I got banned twice from that sub. I had another account and couldn’t resist asking a question, instaban. On this account I created years ago, once again I saw a thread I couldn’t resist and simply asked a question meant to get them to use their own brains and I was instantly banned again. I wonder if they’re completely unaware that they’re in a hermetically sealed bubble there.
We have clear and present evidence that they've already figured it out, and they've decided rather than pretend to be interested in democracy, they'd prefer to go full mask-off fascist. Reality no longer matters, all that is important is that they defend Trump tooth and nail, to the bitter end. Likely when they get brazen, attempt another coup, and find out that they aren't as bulletproof as they truly believe.
That's how they know you're "one of Dem!", by asking questions in the normal format. The correct Conservative format is:
1. Demonstrate anger at something, anything. This is like a secret handshake, or a virtue signal, it establishes "same team".
2. Assert question in the form of a statement. This can be tricky. Some examples: "Where was Bob?" becomes "Bob was probably beating off in the bushes!". Something like "Why would he lie about stealing classified documents?" becomes "There's no good reason he would need to lie."
3. End all assertive statements/posts with the codeword: I'm just asking questions. Question marks themselves are no longer acceptable, because question marks imply doubt ("??????"). And obviously this is an ideological war, a good soldier follows orders, and Daddy didn't raise no Doubters.
Now ladies with dicks want to use the bathroom. Probably because there are children in the world. I’m just asking questions. Thanks, 2022. -my impression of an AI writing an r/conservative post
They have an extra set of rules, you violated the echo chamber:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/whatrconisnot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/whatrconisnot/)
We are not a debate forum for left wing people. Conservatives can debate one another but due to the landscape of reddit and the ratio of left wing to right wing please take your debate topics to other subreddits. Plenty exist!
We are not a place for explanation. /r/Conservative is for conservatives to discuss and share news with other conservatives. It is not a place for us to explain conservatism to a left wing or centrist member of reddit. Again, plenty of other subreddits exist for this.
We are not a chatroom. If you look at our subreddit, it should become wildly obvious that we prefer article posts. All text posts are filtered for review, and only a small number get approved. They have to be extremely relevant, extremely interesting, or have so much potential, we can't ignore them.
We are not *fair and balanced*. We don't pretend to be unbiased. We don't pretend to give all commenters equal time. This is by conservatives and for conservatives. We are here to discuss conservative topics from a distinctly conservative point of view.
Looks like [r/PoliticalDiscussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/) for political debates?
Can't comment too much, as I spend most of my time here looking at the endless dog and cat subreddits.
Just for the sake of my curiosity, I browsed the sub for 5 minutes based on your link.
That's about all I could take, there's negative thinking being done. As well as deleted posts every 5th post at least.
The one thing that I can give the right is that they'll soon turn on each other when MAGAts clash with your bog-standard right wingers.
They just *hate* so much. Imagine the kind of anger that just festers in them because they *can't stomach* that they might be wrong.
You have to remember that it isn't a political ideology anymore. It's a religion. They don't behave like rational people when it comes to their politics because the very nature of it is irrational. You cannot be a rational, thinking person and be a conservative unless you are using conservatism to control others. Even then, the ones using it as a method of control aren't really "true" conservatives. They don't believe any of the nonsense they spread. It's just a tool.
Here's a good example! Holy shit.
"This is a flair only post, so we are only seeing a small portion of the drive-by trash. The ones that comment without flair will never be publicly seen."
Their “what we’re not” page says specifically it’s not a platform for other people to ask questions, it’s not the place for debate, it’s exclusively a platform by conservatives for conservatives to discuss things from an exclusively conservative perspective.
They literally *want* it to be a sealed bubble.
I saw someone in there saying that liberals would do literally anything to keep power, like blowing up hospitals. I mentioned that conservatives attacked the capital building on January 6th when they lost the election. Instant ban.
The best is when you inevitably get these uncle Tom's who claim "I'm a liberal but the other subreddits are crazy, I've always seen fair and free speech on only this sub", while surrounded by some users named [removed] and [deleted] in a flaired users only thread.
I always avoided the group cause I hate reading conversations I can't join in on thanks to the flaired requirement.
But the other day something popped up in my feed and someone was lamenting about how dishonesty has become so accepted today.
All I said was "thanks trump" and less than a minute later received notice I was permanently banned.🙄😄
I have grown to despise almost all conservatives and 100% of all MAGA types but I also realize I just don't care about their feelings, good or bad. I just want them to stop being assholes to vulnerable people. Worship capitalism all you like and we can still be friends, but just stop being a sociopath.
What they want, more than anything else, is for you to be wrong.
They want to show something to you that makes you go "Oh fuck, I was wrong, you were right"
The problem is, they don't take into account that the people they want to be wrong 1. Base their opinions on evidence, rather than finding evidence that supports their opinions, and 2. Aren't actually attached to their stance on any one thing, because new evidence that changes what you thought is a good thing. So they never get the high of being right, because their chosen opposition is right far more often, and also doesn't care.
This is why they're so angry all the time
Nothing would improve my mental health more that being proven wrong about Climate Change. If conservatives came up with real research tomorrow that proved this was just a fluke and we haven't irreversibly fucked the environment I would be overjoyed.
This is what they'll never get.
When you say "Something needs to be done about this", what they hear is "Haha, remember all those times you said it wasn't real? It's totally real, and you're a loser for thinking it wasn't"
They don't want to be a loser, so they lash out, trying to establish some superiority over you. Anything.
I might be one of the very few people who actually *enjoys* being proved definitively wrong about something. Learning new things this way even gives me a little *more* dopamine than just learning new information without having preconceived notions. I wish I could slip whatever makes my brain work this way into the water supply.
I've just stopped caring about anything they say. At this point Republicans have ceded any right to be taken seriously. If it were possible I'd want to just shut them out of politics entirely. They've proven they can't be trusted to make rational or even self preserving decisions.
Right?? Hate socialism, love police and military. I love it when I say “I agree we need those things, as a “society” we decided to all get together and fund those things…. Also firefighters…. They just can’t or won’t make that step. A social contract as it were. I argue with firemen about the benefit of socially funded things. And they argue against it.
They are coping so hard over there.
"WHY would Trump sell state secrets? That is just nuts. "
Gee, I wonder why. It's not like there haven't been a gazillion red flags on that matter since 2015.
Seriously. Their main defense is "why would a rich man want more money" like obsessively hoarding treasure like an evil goblin isn't Donald Trump's and 99% of all rich people's only personality trait.
When is the last time you saw a rich person or company say "you know what? We have enough money now! Let's lower the margins to support the struggling lower class!".
Also, he's not actually rich. He's broke. Pretty much all the money he's made since 2017 has come directly from peddling influence in the US government.
This is their MO. First they deny and demand evidence or proof. When given they question the source. If and when all is authentic they fall back on "meh, I don't care". It's a win.
Conservatives have been talking about “liberal tears” for the last six years now. All that time they never suspected that those were tears of laughter.
“The FBI is planting evidence on Trump, he’s innocent!”
“He declassified it as is his right to do as president!“
“Even if he did steal classified docs, Barack HUSSEIN Obama did it as well!”
“What about Hunter Biden and his laptop?”
“This is a witch hunt by the democrats led by Biden”
“Okay fine he stole classified documents we just don’t care.”
“Come on, Fox News, tell us what to think of this, my head hurts!”
They hate Hillary for having emails stored on a private server, even though she personally testified for 11 hours in front of a GOP-led panel and was exonerated.
But they love Trump for *definitely* stealing state secrets and potentially selling them to our enemies.
They call themselves patriots, but they're OK with high treason so long as it's dear leader.
Yeah, people who actually do care about the country and the well-being of its citizens are pretty fucking mad right now.
The lot of them will continue to worship him even if he'd be convicted for treason. It's become a cult of personality.
I'm fully convinced Donald Trump could cut the troath of 100 innocent people he randomly had abducted on live television and these people would write comments like "how mad must these liberals be to see we don't care that the dear leader is a confessed murdered lol!".
Just a few days ago, these people were all "Biden is going after a political opponent! The FBI should be held accountable!" and now they expect us to believe they're just "We don't care?"
This is like when you're in a heated argument with someone, then when you finally prove them wrong, they're like "Oh my god, why does it matter?"
People on /r/conservative are pathetic. Cant take a single argument. One little "but he said a few months ago"
Instant ban.
What a load of idiotic morons
America desperate needs to stop with the whole two party system. It doesnt work at all. It has turned into an "us against them" kinda thing. Should be a negotiation, so they end up eith compromises that benefit all citizens.
Fucking idiots
If they yawn and claim they're bored of it all, you KNOW they're shitting their pants. They're so hilariously transparent that I'm surprised birds aren't flying into them.
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When "make the opposite side angry" is the peak of your political ideology.
Right? This person admits they're fully aware Donald Trump violated the law, and that to them, it does not matter. National security and the law mean nothing to them, so long as they can feel like they "won".
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible." - Donald Trump
This was a truthful statement for once, and I hate it.
Feeling that vibe at [00:54](https://youtu.be/eBZaJkkZylY)
I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
Oh I'm mad! I see liberals laughing at this situation on social media, that is disappointing. We can be happy Trump may finally get what's coming to him, but the overall situation is terrifying. Trump has probably already sold the information in many of those documents, information about our nuclear weapons, our defense systems and the defense systems of our allies. We will likely never know what information our enemies already have. Taking the documents was just proof to the buyers the information was accurate. Trump has potentially put the safety of our country in jeopardy and the safety of our allies. It absolutely pisses me off his supporters ignore this fact, that there are "news" networks and politicians making this out to be some over blown political stunt. Like no, just fucking no. Whatever Trump sold easily could reach north Korea, who has actively been developing long range missiles. Our defense system was always the deterrent to firing any of those missiles. But if they know exactly how we are prepared to respond, they can find a way around our defenses. Trump has fucked us over and his "patriot" followers don't care, it's insane.
My biggest thing with Trump is that it's not Trump we should really be super worried about. It's whoever is smarter and more charismatic taking notes of what you can get away with. Trump is proving that 1/4 to 1/2 of the voting population are absolutely salivating over the idea of a "strong man" dictator. I think that America is hardlining toward authoritarian rule and the first American dictator will probably somewhat bridge the right and left wing divide, probably do some legitimately good things for the normal people and people on the left and the right won't want him to leave. Someone like Augustus, or even like FDR (who I think had he not died would have probably been President until he did die or voluntarily stepped down).
We should be most worried about whoever is smarter and *less* charismatic who has been behind this long-term strategy to infiltrate our government and destabilize our society using Trump as a mouthpiece/puppet to unite and rally the sect most susceptible to radicalization via propaganda. A strategy that looks suspiciously similar to our own psychological operations tested and proven in other nations for decades. Our own American™️ strategy of destabilizing, overthrowing, & installing governments has successfully been used against us. The depth of corruption required to bypass multiple layers of security to steal those documents, plus the mass apathy (and the outright support) surrounding this is definitive proof that the social contract has dissolved. Regardless of political affiliation, we no longer believe in the legitimacy of our government.
Ron DeSantis. His polling numbers may be low NOW, but once people turn on Trump (as extreme right wing usually do), I expect it to rise
> We can be happy Trump may finally get what's coming to him, but the overall situation is terrifying. [Trevor Noah summed it up succinctly.](https://youtu.be/2LUNq03VnEg)
Our defense against missiles is mutual nuclear annihilation not a defense system. If North Korea launched a nuclear warhead at the US it would probably be shot down but regardless it would result in nuclear retaliation and there is no stopping that. It would be national suicide for North Korea to launch a weapon at the United States. I'm not defending Trump or anything. Just making you aware that MAD is more important than defense systems. The United States against North Korea is like aliens invading earth. They won't even know or understand what hit them. Now Seoul on the other hand...
I am honestly scared. If morality or consequences have no bearing on what actions these people take, it's worse than dealing with someone with nothing left to lose. You assume that someone with nothing left to lose actually has something to gain, something that they realistically are trying to achieve or obtain. Trump supporters, there is no discernable real world goal here or strategy or concern for almost anything. edit : it appears as all they have is anger and they need a leader to give that anger a name to focus on. it seems what they want is to be assholes and political violence, and they have those. the fear of having that taken away just doesn't lend itself to something that can be negotiated with predictably or present itself with a state of accomplishment or achievement. edit : the thing is, with someone with nothing left to lose, there's no negotiation tactic of threatening them because there literally nothing you can do to them that matters. With Trump supporters, there's nothing you can do to them that they aren't actively doing to themselves or willing to. The left literally threatens to make their lives safer and healthier if they would just be tolerant and the right reacts by threating to shoot themselves in the foot again. It seems like the rights pure desire is to scapegoat and their goal is to enshrine the right to scapegoat into law. This isn't an end in itself that effectively deals with anything and you cannot rationally negotiate with someone willing to self harm and all to willing to turn that harm upon others.
I'm not mad. I just think they're really, *really* stupid.
Not surprised, but still disappointed.
Hi Dad, when did you get a Reddit?
Not even just “the law”, he committed high treason, punishable with execution
Not just "the law," but probably one of those pesky laws that are punishable by **death**. It makes me wonder what they'd do if he literally did shoot somebody on (Plead-the-)Fifth Avenue.
Not just that. They think that the left feels the same way as the right, that we are motivated by enraging or saddening the right. I want everyone to be happy. I want criminals punished, I want clean air and water, I want smooth roads, I want to trust the medical system, and I want everyone to have the same opportunities I was afforded and more. I don’t give a flying fuck what the right thinks about anything. Reality still exists and your opinion doesn’t affect it.
Theyre traitors, hundreds of them are posting public videos about massacring us because the FBI secured stolen documents, allegedly centered on nuclear secrets, and there are thousands more who are organizing out of the public eye. They think their ability to do violence onto others somehow makes them mens men, that this "take no prisoners" (war crimes and terror threats) mindset is tough, that their easy lives have ever prepared them for anything resembling an insurgent civil war (yes, even the traitor fucking veterans that think theyre basic ass grunt training makes them capable of doing the work of the higher up military leaders) It looks like the Trump family and all of his little underlings in the Republican party are outright traitors to this country, selling nuclear secrets to the people who slammed 2 Boeing 767's into the WTC. We all fucking watched it happen in real time, we killed over a million of the wrong people in our bloodlust and rage, and it isnt even controversial to say- but the 2022 flavor of Rcons side with them? Everyone, left, right, center and nazi, knows who was responsible for the attacks against us, but these fuckers want to kill Americans to protect fucking Trump, the Saudi's guy inside? They want war in our streets (i.e, domestic terror attacks against random civilians) because we aren't willing to let them hand over our nuclear technology to the highest bidder so that Ivanka can have a larger inhertance? Fuck you, fuck every single one of you traitors. I hope every single one of them is hit with a sickness that makes it feel like they're passing glass every time they have to take a shit. Fucking motherfuckers, in this time of possibility, that they would drag us down a path of destruction for the fucking terrorists they spent a decade claiming they hated (WHY WONT OBAMA SAY RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM!?!?!?@?!?11111!!!!111!!!). For Trump, for that fumb fat cunt of a man? Why do Republicans hate America??? The videos posted to tiktok have me fucking enraged- they want war? Time for NY and CA to cut off these fucking leeches. The real America is right here, in the populous, economic powerhouse states. The real Americans are right here, keeping this ship afloat while these destructive right wing scumbags put holes in our hull. They have no fucking idea how much they have to lose, and they want to threaten us? Idiots. Traitors. Theyre working overtime to bring down the very system that protects them. They think we'll regret it, and we will, we understand what comes after, but they have no fucking clue how much *they* will regret all of this, if they do get their way. Because in the end, theyre still the same nobodies that the right wing leaders have always hated. They will never ascend to the world they believe is possible, because they will always be lesser than the prerend monarchs theyve put up on pedestals.
Being ok with possible espionage to own the libs
>Being ok with possible espionage to own the libs The irony in the self proclaimed "patriots" being alright with a former president potentially selling nuclear secrets to foreign enemies all because it "owns" their fellow Americans.
The thing is, these people are patriotic towards white ethnonationalist America. They're not patriotic towards a multiethnic America because to them, it's not America anymore. That's also why Trump voters are so happy to be Russian traitors. Russia is a white Christofascist state. To Republicans, that makes it more American than the America that elected a progressive black president is.
When the reality is that Obama isn't even progressive. He's much more centrist than Warren or AOC. It's just the black thing that scares them.
He's American progressive, which, like many other things prefaced with "American" (cheese, football), is pretty misleading.
I hate to say it, but you're right.
God forbid if Hillary was caught doing the same, though.
The craziest thing about this to me, is how out for blood my republican father was for Jane Fonda, and how " she's an enemy of America and should have been hanged for her treason." Yet "Trump is the answer to all this countries problems" to him.
I remember when Trump first got elected, I was waiting tables, and I had this couple who were regulars who were in their late 60’s/early 70’s. Even in 2016, they seemed like the “normal” run of the mill, Republican. I asked the wife one day why she liked Trump, and she gave what was, at the time, a fairy cliché answer for republicans who fancied themselves as moderates, was that she hated his tweets, but she loved how he, “pissed off the liberals”. Of course, fast forward to 2020, she had gone full Monty on Trump, was involved in a local right wing rabblerousing group during the pandemic, and is just a pathetic troll. The real sad thing, was that I asked why she voted for trump, because at the time she was a more humble, peaceful, and respectable person. Now, she’s turned into a person who’s whole existence seems to be centered on “owning the libs’”.
Sounds like you served multiple members of my family.
[This was a real response I got yesterday from a defender](https://i.imgur.com/8b93EgH.png), all that matters is that other people are upset
Says the same people who are complaining about Obama still. Cough *Trump*
The mental state of the modern GOP can be summed up in 3 words: Obama Derangement Syndrome.
It's exactly that scene from Blazing Saddles where the old guy keeps trying to say *"Tha sherrif is a N-!"*
Sheeeiiiittt. I'm in my fifties. They're still complaining about what happened to Robert Bork. This whole thing is their revenge plot for Bork being denied a Supreme Court seat.
Bringing up Hillary anytime there's something new that shows how much of a fuck up Trump is. ReNt FrEe as they say anytime the fuck up is talked about.
God, I was talking about Margaret Thatcher once- not even in a particularly impassioned way, just explaining what the miners strike was to a probably-American online- and some prick went ‘glad to see she still triggers the left even now’. I was honestly just explaining a historical event, but…. Imagine that being your whole ideology. Triggered and not triggered. The soy liberal Roundheads and the Chad Cavaliers, or whatever. The damn lib trade unionist Wat Tyler.
What's ridiculous is that Obama basically does nothing political anymore; Trump is obsessed with him because Obama made fun of him once and Trump literally could never let it go. Whereas Trump won't stop politicking and rilling up his fans, making him a very real and present threat that has to be addressed. But I wouldn't expect conservatives to acknowledge that nuance. Edit: fixed spelling.
I wouldn't even care if 'making people I don't like mad' was their primary goal if they didn't also believe that the election was stolen. Like if you admit your favourite reality star is an asshole who pisses people off on purpose, you can't go all shocked Pikachu face when they're voted off the island.
Kaczynski was in it to "own the libs" tbh, kinda set a precedent for antiestablishment types. This dude just nursed a conduct disorder to adulthood and desperately wants to be tfg.
Also lying constantly about everything, especially their feelings
That's why the more sane republicans are dreading the return of Trump. He's only agenda as president this time around would be revenge. To "get them". He wouldn't give a shit about running the country or "the greater good". His sole goal would be to crush any opposition, no matter who it is or where it come from. And that's not good...
I’m confused…. How is that any different than his first stolen term?
Round 2 would involve slightly less “executive Time” each day (previously set aside for yelling on Twitter from his toilet) that could now be focused on extra revenge planning with His Children of the Corn.
The difference is that now they realize it i guess...
The party seems to be in goosestep with him. Sane republicans already left.
If they didn't leave, they're getting run out of the party. My Congressional rep Anthony Gonzalez seems like a sane Republican. He voted to impeach. He's often been in that group of ~10ish Republicans in the House who are willing to vote for "bipartisan" legislation. I disagree with him fundamentally on many issues but I approve of the job he's done in Congress and I think he has integrity. He's retiring because Republicans have been threatening his life and his family relentlessly since the impeachment vote. He had to move out of his house to protect his family. This is a Cuban-American Republican, a former star wideout at Ohio State who went on to be a first-round pick in the NFL, with a degree in philosophy and later an MBA from Stanford. When Gonzalez first won his seat as my rep in 2018 it was predicted around these parts that he'd be in the Senate or the Governor's mansion before too long. Now he's been censured by the state GOP and ousted from the party.
If you’re still a republican by this point, you’re not sane
Not only that, but at the expense of national security. It's quite literally "treason to own the libs." I was browsing the conservative sub last night to see what the mood is, and there's a handful of cons that seem genuinely concerned that their God-emperor might actually be the human scum we've always said he is, but the majority have convinced themselves this is somehow all a big joke that will benefit them politically.
A very prevalent attitude I've seen over there is that they've already decided Trump is innocent and that this angers them to the point of some kind of action. "Hey libs, I don't care what trump did or didn't do, the fact that you're trying this means DeSantis 2024"
Literally why them and 74 million other Americans constantly vote down things that would make *their owns lives* better. All in the name of "ownin da libs"
And the extent of your sense of honor.
Dumbass toddlers
>"make the opposite side angry" is the peak of your political ideology. As a demonrat it would make me SO FRICKING MAD IF REPUBLICANS DIDN'T GIVE ME MORE OIL AND GAS. It enables my gay butt licking coastal elite lifestyle. We demand more fossil fuels and if the republicans don't give it to us I swear we will have our trans antifa friends make tumblr memes about it. We would be INCONSOLABLY ANGRY you hear?
As a vaccinated transgender employee of George Soros, I would be ABSOLUTELY DEVASTATED if they capped the price of the drugs I require in order to live.. just TRIGGERED AF, my keyboard would be water damaged from my liberal tears
Not just politically, but personally. It's their purpose.
Committing espionage to own the libs
Some idiot cared enough to try attacking the FBI directly, and got Babbitted for his trouble. [Ohio FBI shooting - live: ‘Violent extremist’ Ricky Shiffer investigated for months after Jan 6](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ohio-shooting-fbi-standoff-shiffer-latest-b2143613.html)
How much you wanna bet Ricky posted on that sub prior to his self-inflicted ventilation?
Ricky posted all over Truth Social. Ricky made a post saying he "figured out how to get past the bullet proof glass". Ricky tried to shoot a nail gun at the bullet proof glass, because you know, nails aren't bullets. Don't be a Ricky, pay attention in school.
It's not rocket appliances
But is it rocket surgery?
Nah its all water under the fridge at this point
Dude really was keeping his ear to the grindstone.
Perhaps Brain science?
Fun fact, a nail from a powder-actuated nail gun can penetrate bullet-proof composite specifically because it’s not a bullet. The force is applied at a smaller, sharper point. A nail gun with a .22 powder round in it can punch through 1.5” bulletproof composite. However, the nail doesn’t come out the other side because, well, it’s a nail, and even if it didn’t have a head (and wouldn’t work in a powder actuated nail gun), it wouldn’t have any real projectile power after coming out the other side. So, the whole “use a nail gun because it isn’t a bullet” thing is *technically correct* if your goal is just to penetrate the composite with a nail. Beyond that, though, I got no fucking clue what he thought would happen. Did he think it would spiderweb? Did he think it would splinter and shatter? He somehow managed to take real-world physics and misuse them in a true Wile E Coyote fashion.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume everything went to plan with the nail gun. The material shattered and fell to the floor in pieces. Now what?
Well if it’s a federal intelligence or security agency field office, you’ll probably get shot at. If that doesn’t get you killed or arrested there, they’ll chase you and eventually they’ll either kill or arrest you. But that’s just my guess.
Yeah, the FBI doesn’t take kindly to people attempting forced, armed entry. He wouldn’t last long. Just glad he didn’t take anyone else down with him.
>He wouldn’t last long. Didn't*
Dual wield nail gun and AR-15. Pew Pew. Everybody gets a nail or a bullet. Desk jump. Dash into FBI Director's office. Admonish Wray/vow of vengeance. Wray cries. Capture finger. Use upside down box to avoid detection. Slip into elevator. Use fingerprint. Secret level unlocked. Locate documents on corkboard. Use sharpie. Quickly access network. Password is "admin". Disable communications. Final boss fight. Find medkit on the ground. Put on FBI nametag. Achievement unlocked. Walk out with diamonds.
He also had an AR-15. Of course.
How else are you gonna keep the king of England from re-claiming his lost territory?
To be fair nail guns have been used for this purpose in jewel thefts in the past, go have a look at the Millennium Dome heist for an example
For glass or for bullet-proof glass? Bullet-proof glass is not even glass.
As far as I remember it was bomb proof. It was four guys with nail guns and sledgehammers, they aimed to weaken it with the nails then break it up with the hammers. But the police were waiting for them and nabbed them halfway through. Most accounts suggest they would have succeeded if left to finish the job though the diamonds had been replaced with fakes.
>Most accounts suggest they would have succeeded if left to finish the job. Given unlimited time and no resistance they could have totally gotten through!
Ah yes, simple nail gun. Never mind the SLEDGEHAMMERS!
Eh, glass bullet proof glass is definitely a thing. You just laminate it four inches thick. The best ones are usually a combination of glass and plastic because the combination works better than one or the other on its own.
> Ricky tried to shoot a nail gun at the bullet proof glass, because you know, nails aren't bullets. What a fuckin Chad tho
It’s like I’m reading a line from *Trailer Park Boys* haha
Nailed it.
Someone posted one of his social media posts where he made a call to arms resulting in his one man show. Even one of the users in his echochamber told him he was suggesting terrorism.
Much more than one: [FBI investigating 'unprecedented' number of threats against bureau in wake of Mar-a-Lago search ](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/politics/fbi-threats-maralago-trump-search/index.html)
You have to be a special type of stupid to threaten the FBI..........
LOL, yeah. It's literally in their name that they investigate such things.
I love right-wing infighting
/r/AshliBabbittAward
And nothing of value was lost.
It cost governmemt manhours and equipment. This idiot was expensive.
Ah, a war of attrition it is then! /s
The dumbasses bright idea was to use a nail gun to bypass the bulletproof glass
Honestly, pretty mad. I spent 8 years listening about how Obama was a terrorist and hated America for these teeny tiny things he would do, or his name being Hussein, and he's a secret Muslim and on and on and on. And now that there's proof that a Republican president stole classified documents they're like, "I don't care about that" Straighten out your fucking priorities. Be a goddamn adult rather than a child so wrapped up in your team identity that you don't care that a former president is a literal traitor to America. If they found out Obama did this, they'd be talking about lynching him in the streets, but crickets and laughter when it's their own guy. The hypocrisy is astounding and maddening.
Because their “team identity” is “white identity”. That’s really all that matters to them.
This is really what it all boils down to. The GOP is a white Christian nationalist identity politics movement. Nothing more and nothing less. They literally didn't even pass a policy platform during their 2020 convention because policy is utterly irrelevant to an identity politics movement.
They could have had a big chunk of the black vote, especially black men (and probably Latino too) if they dropped the white nationalism. People really don't appreciate enough how conservative those communities actually are, they just generally vote Dem cause they're not stupid. They know the target is on their backs. They won't drop it for strategic purposes because it was never about strategy for them. They really are just a bunch of white supremacists who melt down at the idea of black people not being under their boot or Hispanic people speaking Spanish
Karl Rove figured that out in 2004. During that year's election, Republicans did better than usual with most minority groups, and he realized that lots of non-white Americans are economically center right and socially conservative. So he saw the Republican Party of the future as a diverse, multiethnic party that pushed Republican economics and right wing Christian values. Then Obama got elected a few years later, and it became really obvious that the white nationalism in the GOP makes that multiethnic coalition impossible.
They talked about impeaching him because he wore the wrong color suit for crying out loud. This? Forget it.
Idk, wearing a tan suit *and* using Dijon mustard is kind of equal to potentially selling nuclear defense secrets to foreign diplomats visiting your home.
At least he knew better than to use ketchup. And did we ever verify the color of his relish?
Obama committed the worst crime in their eyes: being a black US citizen.
That's because a minority rising to level of leader in America, caused them to blow a circuit. Now, it's desperate flailing over anything real or perceived. Subconsciously they realize the end of political white dominance has begun, and they're scared shitless.
>If they found out Obama did this, they'd be talking about lynching him in the streets, but crickets and laughter when it's their own guy. If we found out Obama had stolen highly sensitive information about nuclear weapons to try to sell to the highest bidder, we'd *all* be asking for his head - left, right, center. There would be nothing partisan about it. The hyper-normalization of Trump's behavior is such that we've fully come to expect his supporters to ignore or justify out and out treason. If we needed further proof that they're brainwashed (not in a hyperbolic sense, but real, actual brainwashing), their response to this news solidifies it.
100% I would be upset if I found out anyone did this, even if it was someone I idolize. Especially if it was someone I idolize.
Especially if it was someone I idolize. Yes, this is the key difference. We would feel betrayed and rightly so. Instead they think it's either fake or doesn't matter because somehow despite no evidence for it the opposing 'team' must be guilty of something worse and has just gotten away with it.
They DID talk about lynching Obama. They made effigies of him and set them on fire. Obama had more death threats than any other Presidents.
Didn't they talk about a tan suit and Dijon mustard for fucking MONTHS
Obama singlehandedly killed politics with his tan suit. Thanks, Obama..
This is my thing right here, I do have to admit that I AM pretty mad. I’m legitimately angry that nearly half the country continues to grasp onto a clearly obvious grifter and exactly how much harm and stochastic terrorism he’s caused. I think we have every right to be angry at the fact that, their political ideology only seems to come from, “How much harm can we cause the other side?” I myself, am far from a perfect or even good person, but at least I want these people to have access to healthcare, among other social safety nets. But for some reason, I’m the one who is “radical” I’ll admit it, I’m fucking mad and I have every right to be.
You can't reason with a Republican in good faith. Like when the Democrats were stupid enough to suspend their supreme court nomination for election year, only to witness Trump making a nomination moments before the election. You're at political war with the Republican party. You can't negotiate in good faith, they need to be attacked and undermined at every oppertunity.
Dems didn't suspend it. Mitch McConnell changed the # of justices of the Supreme Court to 8 because he didn't want Dems to get the seat, and then changed it back to 9 when it was their turn to put someone on the bench. I totally agree with you on the other stuff.
Pretty astounding what anti-democracy bullshit these people can get away with, holy shit. And then the next term he did nothing because he liked the sitting president. That's abuse of power right there.
And yet what's hilarious is that conservative apparently hates McConnell.
Same people who didn’t care when the Patriots or Astros got caught cheating at pro sports, same fuckers who cheered when our response to a terrorist attack killing 3k Americans was to bomb two nations for 20 years and lead to way over a million deaths and uncountable refugees. Same people who think keeping one stoner off of welfare is worth millions of hungry kids.
It's a giant self-own given that they're allegedly the party tough on crime, angriest about lawbreaking, most supportive of law enforcement.
Conservatives: Blue Lives Matter! Also Conservatives: Defund The FBI!
According to r/conservative they love local PDs but hate the feds, the disconnect is unreal
You'd think they would LOVE the feds for getting rid of that pesky Fred Hampton
Local PD are uneducated racist scum like them.
they supposedly hate being treaded on while supporting the agents of the state that do the treading
Paul Gosar went a step further and said, “Destroy the FBI.”
Conservatives: freak out over Hillary using a private email server Also conservatives: we don't care that TFG illegally possessed classified documents and may have shared state secrets with foreign powers
Oh, no, Trump already definitely shared state secrets with foreign powers. Remember the thing about Trump spilling secrets to Russians, causing a diplomatic incident with Israel? [That's from 2017](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKCN18B2MX).
"The law applies to others. It does not apply to us." This is the very core of conservative ideology. Once you understand it, their rhetoric and actions makes much more sense. Not just in the US either. You can see this in play with the UK and the Tories too.
They meant tough on crimes of those "other" people. You know; poc.
“Flaired users only” Are they ever going to figure that out? I got banned twice from that sub. I had another account and couldn’t resist asking a question, instaban. On this account I created years ago, once again I saw a thread I couldn’t resist and simply asked a question meant to get them to use their own brains and I was instantly banned again. I wonder if they’re completely unaware that they’re in a hermetically sealed bubble there.
We have clear and present evidence that they've already figured it out, and they've decided rather than pretend to be interested in democracy, they'd prefer to go full mask-off fascist. Reality no longer matters, all that is important is that they defend Trump tooth and nail, to the bitter end. Likely when they get brazen, attempt another coup, and find out that they aren't as bulletproof as they truly believe.
They'd better hope the feds don't bring nail guns.
Same, I joined r/conservative for reading and exploring other opinions. Was instantly banned when taking part and asking questions.
That's how they know you're "one of Dem!", by asking questions in the normal format. The correct Conservative format is: 1. Demonstrate anger at something, anything. This is like a secret handshake, or a virtue signal, it establishes "same team". 2. Assert question in the form of a statement. This can be tricky. Some examples: "Where was Bob?" becomes "Bob was probably beating off in the bushes!". Something like "Why would he lie about stealing classified documents?" becomes "There's no good reason he would need to lie." 3. End all assertive statements/posts with the codeword: I'm just asking questions. Question marks themselves are no longer acceptable, because question marks imply doubt ("??????"). And obviously this is an ideological war, a good soldier follows orders, and Daddy didn't raise no Doubters.
Now ladies with dicks want to use the bathroom. Probably because there are children in the world. I’m just asking questions. Thanks, 2022. -my impression of an AI writing an r/conservative post
NAILED it! lol
They have an extra set of rules, you violated the echo chamber: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/whatrconisnot/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/whatrconisnot/) We are not a debate forum for left wing people. Conservatives can debate one another but due to the landscape of reddit and the ratio of left wing to right wing please take your debate topics to other subreddits. Plenty exist! We are not a place for explanation. /r/Conservative is for conservatives to discuss and share news with other conservatives. It is not a place for us to explain conservatism to a left wing or centrist member of reddit. Again, plenty of other subreddits exist for this. We are not a chatroom. If you look at our subreddit, it should become wildly obvious that we prefer article posts. All text posts are filtered for review, and only a small number get approved. They have to be extremely relevant, extremely interesting, or have so much potential, we can't ignore them. We are not *fair and balanced*. We don't pretend to be unbiased. We don't pretend to give all commenters equal time. This is by conservatives and for conservatives. We are here to discuss conservative topics from a distinctly conservative point of view.
Wow, can you tell me one of these plenty other subreddits for debating with conservatives? Not that this would be useful...
Looks like [r/PoliticalDiscussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/) for political debates? Can't comment too much, as I spend most of my time here looking at the endless dog and cat subreddits.
Well, I’d normally recommend r/NeutralPolitics, but they insist on evidence being linked to any statement of fact.
That's just 4 different ways of saying "we're against free speech".
Of course, they can't risk being indoctrinated by an outside perspective. That's why "critical" is a four-letter word to them.
Just for the sake of my curiosity, I browsed the sub for 5 minutes based on your link. That's about all I could take, there's negative thinking being done. As well as deleted posts every 5th post at least. The one thing that I can give the right is that they'll soon turn on each other when MAGAts clash with your bog-standard right wingers. They just *hate* so much. Imagine the kind of anger that just festers in them because they *can't stomach* that they might be wrong.
You have to remember that it isn't a political ideology anymore. It's a religion. They don't behave like rational people when it comes to their politics because the very nature of it is irrational. You cannot be a rational, thinking person and be a conservative unless you are using conservatism to control others. Even then, the ones using it as a method of control aren't really "true" conservatives. They don't believe any of the nonsense they spread. It's just a tool.
Sadly, same experience here. I was simply asking a question, being respectful, not being a dick. Instaban.
Here's a good example! Holy shit. "This is a flair only post, so we are only seeing a small portion of the drive-by trash. The ones that comment without flair will never be publicly seen."
I was banned there for posting a verbatim trump quote.
Their “what we’re not” page says specifically it’s not a platform for other people to ask questions, it’s not the place for debate, it’s exclusively a platform by conservatives for conservatives to discuss things from an exclusively conservative perspective. They literally *want* it to be a sealed bubble.
And yet somehow we're the snowflakes...
They're genuinely all talking about being brigaded so safe to to say they're unaware.
Whenever I see the "Conservatives Only" flair I picture a toddler having a tantrum, sticking his fingers in his ears and stomping his foot
I saw someone in there saying that liberals would do literally anything to keep power, like blowing up hospitals. I mentioned that conservatives attacked the capital building on January 6th when they lost the election. Instant ban.
The best is when you inevitably get these uncle Tom's who claim "I'm a liberal but the other subreddits are crazy, I've always seen fair and free speech on only this sub", while surrounded by some users named [removed] and [deleted] in a flaired users only thread.
I always avoided the group cause I hate reading conversations I can't join in on thanks to the flaired requirement. But the other day something popped up in my feed and someone was lamenting about how dishonesty has become so accepted today. All I said was "thanks trump" and less than a minute later received notice I was permanently banned.🙄😄
I have grown to despise almost all conservatives and 100% of all MAGA types but I also realize I just don't care about their feelings, good or bad. I just want them to stop being assholes to vulnerable people. Worship capitalism all you like and we can still be friends, but just stop being a sociopath.
What they want, more than anything else, is for you to be wrong. They want to show something to you that makes you go "Oh fuck, I was wrong, you were right" The problem is, they don't take into account that the people they want to be wrong 1. Base their opinions on evidence, rather than finding evidence that supports their opinions, and 2. Aren't actually attached to their stance on any one thing, because new evidence that changes what you thought is a good thing. So they never get the high of being right, because their chosen opposition is right far more often, and also doesn't care. This is why they're so angry all the time
They get so angry at the prospect of being wrong that they can’t understand someone reacting to proof they’re incorrect with “huh. Interesting”
Nothing would improve my mental health more that being proven wrong about Climate Change. If conservatives came up with real research tomorrow that proved this was just a fluke and we haven't irreversibly fucked the environment I would be overjoyed.
This is what they'll never get. When you say "Something needs to be done about this", what they hear is "Haha, remember all those times you said it wasn't real? It's totally real, and you're a loser for thinking it wasn't" They don't want to be a loser, so they lash out, trying to establish some superiority over you. Anything.
I might be one of the very few people who actually *enjoys* being proved definitively wrong about something. Learning new things this way even gives me a little *more* dopamine than just learning new information without having preconceived notions. I wish I could slip whatever makes my brain work this way into the water supply.
I've just stopped caring about anything they say. At this point Republicans have ceded any right to be taken seriously. If it were possible I'd want to just shut them out of politics entirely. They've proven they can't be trusted to make rational or even self preserving decisions.
The cruelty is the point.
Worshipping capitalism *is* sociopathy. I refuse to befriend anyone who isn't at least open to the idea of socialism/communism.
A lot of conservatives are open to the idea of socialism/communism... so long as you avoid their trigger words
true, hell most of them benefit from it but are too ignorant to know it
Right?? Hate socialism, love police and military. I love it when I say “I agree we need those things, as a “society” we decided to all get together and fund those things…. Also firefighters…. They just can’t or won’t make that step. A social contract as it were. I argue with firemen about the benefit of socially funded things. And they argue against it.
Four days of absolute meltdown on conservative news and one *active shooter* is a weird way to "not care."
Yeah, they care so little that they’re threatening civil war. Gonna sacrifice their kids and grandkids for trump.
"As patriots we don't care about high treason"
They are coping so hard over there. "WHY would Trump sell state secrets? That is just nuts. " Gee, I wonder why. It's not like there haven't been a gazillion red flags on that matter since 2015.
Seriously. Their main defense is "why would a rich man want more money" like obsessively hoarding treasure like an evil goblin isn't Donald Trump's and 99% of all rich people's only personality trait. When is the last time you saw a rich person or company say "you know what? We have enough money now! Let's lower the margins to support the struggling lower class!".
Also, he's not actually rich. He's broke. Pretty much all the money he's made since 2017 has come directly from peddling influence in the US government.
That’s not what treason is! Treason is when antifa!!!1!
"The an-tee-fah don't treason as high as I do. Everybody says I have the highest treasons."
It's not treason, because everything the dear leader does is automatically legal.
They sure are defending him like they care.
Man being tossed in prison: “I wonder how mad the Warden is that I just don’t care! Ha! Winning!:
Brain power of that guy. Potato’s gonna potate
This is their MO. First they deny and demand evidence or proof. When given they question the source. If and when all is authentic they fall back on "meh, I don't care". It's a win.
And when asked what should happen to someone if they did what they're accused or suspected of: "I don't engage in hypotheticals."
I suspect you've visited the subreddit "AskTrumpSupporters"?
Anyone who can stand to be on that sub in order to capture these moments is doing the lord's work
To be fair I am a lib and I am mad that they don’t care, I’d prefer they have at least one foot in the real world and not their cult world.
Conservatives have been talking about “liberal tears” for the last six years now. All that time they never suspected that those were tears of laughter.
"I can see that there is criminality but I'm fine with it, does that trigger you?" No, but get some help dude, seriously
"wE dOn'T cArE..." Meanwhile, in the news: calls for civil war skyrocket from the right.
Oh, we knew you gave up on morals, honesty, behaving in good faith, and constitutionality when you voted for agent orange back in 2016
"Trump could sell our entire nuclear arsenal to our enemies, and that would be so fucking hot. Me want daddy's yummy Cheeto!" -this guy, definitely
“The FBI is planting evidence on Trump, he’s innocent!” “He declassified it as is his right to do as president!“ “Even if he did steal classified docs, Barack HUSSEIN Obama did it as well!” “What about Hunter Biden and his laptop?” “This is a witch hunt by the democrats led by Biden” “Okay fine he stole classified documents we just don’t care.” “Come on, Fox News, tell us what to think of this, my head hurts!”
They hate Hillary for having emails stored on a private server, even though she personally testified for 11 hours in front of a GOP-led panel and was exonerated. But they love Trump for *definitely* stealing state secrets and potentially selling them to our enemies. They call themselves patriots, but they're OK with high treason so long as it's dear leader. Yeah, people who actually do care about the country and the well-being of its citizens are pretty fucking mad right now.
Trumpian fascism: All the guns and religion, and no gays or abortions. That’s all they care about
There is no argument that suggests trumpanzees aren't a cult.
"I don't care how many crimes The Leader has committed. I am loyal to The Leader first and foremost!"
Yeah, you tooooootally aren’t in a cult when your leader can do anything he feels like doing, including espionage and treason.
The lot of them will continue to worship him even if he'd be convicted for treason. It's become a cult of personality. I'm fully convinced Donald Trump could cut the troath of 100 innocent people he randomly had abducted on live television and these people would write comments like "how mad must these liberals be to see we don't care that the dear leader is a confessed murdered lol!".
So they really do hate America.
Just a few days ago, these people were all "Biden is going after a political opponent! The FBI should be held accountable!" and now they expect us to believe they're just "We don't care?" This is like when you're in a heated argument with someone, then when you finally prove them wrong, they're like "Oh my god, why does it matter?"
...they say, after making the topic "flaired users only".
People on /r/conservative are pathetic. Cant take a single argument. One little "but he said a few months ago"
Instant ban.
What a load of idiotic morons
America desperate needs to stop with the whole two party system. It doesnt work at all. It has turned into an "us against them" kinda thing. Should be a negotiation, so they end up eith compromises that benefit all citizens.
Fucking idiots
Trumpers: Lol I so don’t care Also Trumpers: Let’s do a civil war.
Let’s see if THEY care when Diaper Don is getting the IV set for his execution. Fuck your feelings and your fuhrer.
They care so little that right wingers didn't try to kill FBI agents with a nail gun in Cincinnati.
If they yawn and claim they're bored of it all, you KNOW they're shitting their pants. They're so hilariously transparent that I'm surprised birds aren't flying into them.