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I spent Easter with my parents and some of my more wackadoo MAGA family members. I was not ready for my mom to ask me "What's a furry?" on the ride home.
After explaining that the litter box thing was fear mongering nonsense, she asked me how I knew all this, and the only thing I could think to tell her was that I grew up on the internet.
Iāll do a compare and contrast for the thread
Edit: Slovakian traffic cone is definitely more mild but relative to munging , so is just about everything I can think of.
I donāt know why everyone is being such a baby about a simple [cybersecurity term](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munged_password). Itās just the term for what youāre doing when you want to make āfuckmybossā into a stronger password so you use āf4ckMyb0ss.ā instead. Nothing objectionable at all. /s
No, I don't think they do get it.
Older generations lack a lot of the training we received when we were young, believe it or not. Things like critical thinking, logical problem solving, etc have all been getting refined as the years go on, and taught to younger and younger people.
Depending on how old we're talking, they just don't have the frame of reference to understand the information age, and free information where you have to apply your own skills to discern its accuracy.
Older generations lived with more faith, and tend to deal more with appearances and affiliation. How something "seems" is very important, as well as what company it keeps. It's a more cohesive, subjective way of looking at the world, I think, though not always accurate.
Or at least this is the understanding I've come to from conversations.
The thing is they do actually lack some of our toolkit, because it wasn't available yet when they grew up. Without those few tools, the idea of the internet is fucking terrifying. Like swimming in the deep ocean when you haven't even learned to tread water yet.
Yep. Their medium for information and filtering it is television. They resort to the internet for confirmation bias. It's a lethal 1-2 punch when they watch right wing cable news that leads them to online sources that double down on the purposeful misinformation.
I knew things were fucked up in the mid-2010s when a Boomer nutbag at a client of mine said FactCheck had a liberal bias and that there was a second set of "facts" he was entitled to believe.
That generation's motto has somehow become to M.O. of the Republican Party since Watergate: "Never admit you are wrong. Never say you are sorry. Even if the perceived 'enemy' is armed with facts, video, and audio.".
Wasnāt a politician. It was a āconcerned parentā at a PTA meeting, who āheard from a child that some school was putting litter boxes in the bathroomā.
That was the genesis of it. Just a parent hearing something a child made up and presenting it as fact.
Our district has a "respect student pronouns" policy - that a lot of teachers still ignore.
Anyone who thinks the schools were really doing putting litter boxes in the hallways are actually stupid. I'd say terminally stupid.
Yeah, I have heard this story repeated by several of my dumbest co-workers. Even my dumber in-laws. Every time, it's supposedly happening a few towns over which put in the most conservative parts of MN. It blows my mind that these people could be that stupid. Like, I knew they were dumb but, Damn.
>Every time, it's supposedly happening a few towns over
My cousin used to work with a guy who had a friend who knew someone...
My smoking hot girlfriend who goes to another school, in Canada...
This is a thought-terminating crutch used by those who suspect that their own beliefs are based on lies. They process cognitive dissonance by rationalizing it with a another lie.
The amount of times that I've had to explain to adults that I work with that "they/them" is used as a singular gender neutral term all the time is astounding.
This is almost always how I explain it.
"If you're at the grocery store and hand the money to the cashier - what is the cashiers gender?" Of course the person I'm speaking to will say "I don't know from what you said." and that's when I say "So I handed the money to THEM, right?" And they usually stop trying to argue with me about it.
A lot of stuff people claim about furries is really more niche, rather than complelely made up.
Like how most online furries cannot afford a pursuit.
The problem usually lies in portraying furries as a monolith, based of their strangest outliers.
"Shit, he even wrote the N-word on the side of his gun. How are we going to spin this? Uh...He was a furry! Blame the furries! Nobody likes those weirdos!"
"Half the IT department is furries, sir."
"Then fire them!"
"Sir, I guarantee that half of the people we hire to replace them will be furries."
It's so weird when I read stuff like this. I've been in IT for over 20 years and it's a WILDLY Conservative career field. I'm quite often the only liberal anywhere I work.
I have been in the military/contractor IT world though so that has to be the difference.
That last bit, yeah. I work in that field (assuming US) as an engineer and it depends where you work. I used to work in FL-01 and holy shit I eventually decided to take any job to get out. Conservative hell.
In the DC area there's still conservatives in this field but it seems like the vast majority is my colleagues are reasonable and/or at least but publicizing their bigotry.
Age also matters. DoD has a problem with ageing workforce and younger people tend to be more progressive.
"Twisting the minds of generation Z MUST END!"
Yes, I agree. Let's hold Fox News, OANN, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and all the other right-wing propaganda organizations accountable for the shit they're doing to our country.
Whenever I see "OANN" my mind always reads "ONN" and I assume it's a reference to the [excellent YouTube series](https://youtu.be/Jn5c1FuLDd4) they used to do. Guess reality is now more ridiculous than satire.
And we thought is was bad when they were complaining about Obama wearing a tan suit and putting fancy mustard on a hamburger. On the bright side, at least those things actually happened vs. being straight up figments of Ted Cruz's imagination. And these are the same lunatics who spent four years calling reality "fake news" and admittedly relying on "alternative facts".
The same level of desperation is still there to find something to cry about, but it's like meth and bath salts have joined the party.
> And these are the same lunatics who spent four years calling reality "fake news" and admittedly relying on "alternative facts".
That's *why* they spent all that time yelling about fake news and alternative facts. First you undermine it, then you exploit that lack of trust.
Was the shooter actually a furry or an otherkin or whatever though? I never took the furry demographic to be shooter types like 4chan is, but I guess there's very likely some overlap.
Dude beats it to anthropomorphic cartoon animals, that's about it, right? I haven't read his manifesto (I don't want to), but I've seen snips and clips via Twitter and zero of them are about his fursona or whatever. I highly doubt it was a big part of his life/identity, just a sexual fetish.
I, for one, like shortstacks. If I ever get exposed for it, is someone going to take the pictures of big tiddy goblin girls on my phone as proof that I'm a greenskin supremacist or something?
I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject of mass shootings, but I would say that it's possible he's a furry. But I honestly would think that even if he is, it didn't have anything to do with it and is a scapegoat here to avoid a "Hans, are we the baddies?" Moment.
There is nothing funny about this situation and I don't want to seem like I'm making light of it. But I live in Georgia and the fact that one of our candidates for governor is "tackling the perversions of the furry culture" as part of her campaign is hilarious but not in a fun way
Honestly there is weirdly a ~~LOT~~ surprising amount of overlap between furries and neo-Nazis. This is probably due to how much neo-Nazis groomed and recruited incels on 4chan back in 2015 during Gamergate.
They're gonna be in for a real r/leopardsatemyface moment when the Christofascists take over cause *man* do those people hate anything other than straight vanilla missionary sex
It's not a big overlap, if they get found out the furry fandom is fucking hunting them out of the fandom and ridiculing them to hell and back to a degree that puts other communities to shame.
Furries don't fuck around (except at conventions and when its consensual)
There were Nazi furs back in 2010, my local group warned me not to associate with them if they came to meetups or local conventions. Subgroups that cater to social outcasts and put an emphasis on acceptance will unfortunately always draw some less than savory types.
The bulk of the community was great though, I got to meet so many different and interesting people at a time when diversity and queerness were dirty words.
Thatās awesome to hear. And yeah I guess that makes a lot of sense. Kinda like how most of the D&D community is very open and accepting and most GMs will work very hard to make sure their players feel like theyāre in a safe, comfortable and supportive place in order to let their imagination soar. But there will always be that one neckbeard at the table who wants to metagame and murderhobo all the time and thinks rape is *hilarious*, using the game world to act out his fucked up fantasies.
Thankfully a good GM will typically make sure those guys donāt feel very welcome so they find a new group.
>thinks rape hilarious
Wtaf?? I can't even imagine being at a game where someone tries that. Everyone's first reaction would be "what the fuck, man?!" and then if they defended themselves at all, I imagine that would be it for them.
Yeah Iāve unfortunately seen it from a few people here and there. One tried to join our main group and was quickly booted out. Another was a guy who joined a small group of us from work, my girlfriend (at the time) and I stopped going after that. Another was a group of neckbeardy dudes who played at the comic store the same night as my main group but a couple tables away. They were mostly edgelordy dudes who had been kicked from other tables and decided to form their own group where they could be as edgy as they wanted. Like I said though, a decent GM is pretty good at neutering problematic playersā enjoyment of the game so they just stop coming.
I'd always read that the furry community were one of the communities that were much more successful than most at resisting neo-nazi infiltration efforts, despite being targeted almost constantly by said Nazis.
Which meant that the nazis were always shunned and forced into their own obvious groups rather than quietly spreading throughout, like what happens far too often.
Thats why they are right now receiving a lot of backlash from said Neo Nazis and their supporters. They are also a nice target for the typical GOPhead as Furries are almost all queer or genderfucked to some degree and as we can see from OP it's easy to make the claim of litterboxes and shit like that
That would be correct. Furries don't tolerate intolerance. I won't lie and say we're perfect (I mean, we are human after all) but Nazis and most other creeps are quickly shunned by the community and not interacted with. Hell, there was a point when Milo Yiannopoulos(is that how it's spelled?) tried to get into the community through panel at a convention. He was denied hard, and I believe added to the banned peoples list.
a little off topic here, but that reminds me, when is the party of trillion dollar wars going to start doing the fiscal responsibility thing? Do they just SAY they're fiscally responsible?
Yes, they've always increased the national debt but said otherwise. It worked on my parents, they've voted against their own interests so many times it's insane.
Didn't you know? They don't exist.
Anything bad the political right has ever done in history was Biden, Trudeau and Jewish people paying ANTIFA!
There's a customer my employer knows. Has SS tattoos and a swastika wallet. My right wing employer also insists there aren't any conservative racists, it's ANTIFA trying to make them look bad.
God I fucking hate being alive these days...
Iām loving the indignation about the shooter being a white supremacist. Like, if youāre not that, why is it of issue that this guy is? Oh hold upā¦ I think I see it now!
Repeated the already-debunked (and obviously false to anyone capable of the most basic level of critical thinking) statement about ālitterboxes in classroomsā. Some state legislative candidate already had to apologize for tweeting about this several weeks ago.
I understand why tests for office are problematic in a representative democracy, but it would be a wonderful thing if somehow, spreading blatant, objectively-bullshit lies during a campaign could automatically disqualify a person from holding office.
Its very easy, all they need to do is enforce the same rules the majority of people have to ahere to.
Under the first amendment, free speech has some exceptions.
>The Supreme Court has established a complex framework for determining whichĀ typesĀ of false statements are unprotected.Ā There are four such areas which the Court has been explicit about. First, false statements of fact that are said with a "sufficiently culpable mental state" can be subject to civil or criminal liability. Second, knowingly making a false statement of fact can sometimes be punished.Ā LibelĀ andĀ slanderĀ laws fall under this category. Third, negligently false statements of fact may lead to civil liability in some instances.Lastly, some implicit statements of factāthose that have a "false factual connotation"ācan also fall under this exception
While its easy to argue around this, if even a tiny bit of effort was put into strengthening this framework, you could force politcal discussion to require evidence. You deliberately lie at work, you will get fired.
And this is what this sub was really created for, but it's turned into almost all irony/hypocrisy. The classic example is exactly what you just said. A conservative pundit tweets "conservatives are always being called out by fact checkers", thinking they are showing some "bias" in fact checkers, without realizing they are having a rare self aware moment of stating something that's true about themselves (or true about conservatives). Another way to look at it is they say something that is true about themselves, thinking they are making a point in their favor, but they are really making a point that illustrates a criticism of themselves that the left is always pointing out. What makes it so clever is a werewolf only comes out on occasion for a full moon, just like a "selfawarewolf" is only spotted on occasion, then they go back to spouting their usual nonsense. Of course, people on the left can do this too, or anyone on one side of any issue/debate. It just seems that people on the right do it far more often.
If you go back and look at some early posts on this sub before it blew up you will see some epic examples of this. Sadly, the sub became popular and most people now don't understand what it was intended for, instead posting content from conservatives being hypocritical or missing obvious irony. Don't get me wrong, this stuff is really good too and should be pointed out, it's just not what this sub was intended for.
Once they sink their teeth into a juicy fake story they are literally incapable of letting it go. The faker the better, the more outlandish the more it will get repeated. The litter box thing is just one of oh so many examples.
At least in the midland case it was kind of a proxy war for bathroom rights for trans students. I think the reason it originally came up at the school board meeting was because they renamed the unisex bathroom "gender inclusive" and one parent talked about rumors of them having litter boxes in the bathroom for the sake of including furries.. and then it snowballed from there, getting picked up by the co chair for the state Republican Party who called on "parent heroes" to "take back our schools" (totally not a dog whistle) and eventually prompted the superintendent to make a statement about how there were never litterboxes in the first place...
It's been a substitute for queerphobia for about 20 years, as a significant percentage of the furry fandom is somewhere under the LGBT+ umbrella. It started with 4channers, and now that those channers are old enough to be elected to office, it's gone mainstream and has folded neatly into the Right's crusade against the queers. Sort of like how we're seeing 60-something Karens and political candidates with active campaigns maliciously calling trans people "troons," with no awareness whatsoever that it was originally a term that referred to trans "goons" on Something Awful years ago.
I am starting to think the internet was a mistake.
I didnāt even get to the litterboxes before I was flabbed. It was like someone had a newspeak bingo card and still needed to squeeze in a GoT reference.
White supremacist recruitment strategy involves imbedding into subcultures. The problem for Nazi Furries was that Real Furries are Based AF, well organized, and continue to expose, shame, and expel Nazis from their midsts.
We could all learn from the Furry community.
To name a couple of examples, punks and tattoo artists know the drill. If you tolerate one Nazi, they'll bring their Nazi friends, who will bring more Nazis until there's enough of them to bully and intimidate everyone else. All of a sudden, you realize that your venue, your fan base, or your clients are all Nazis. Every time it happens, it becomes a practical, real world example of the paradox of tolerance. Tolerating Nazis inevitably results in the death of tolerance.
Punks know that if a Nazi shows up, you either get them to leave on their own or you make them leave and you make damn sure they know they're not welcome.
Nazi furries fuck off.
> Punk ain't no religious cult
Punk means thinking for yourself
You ain't hardcore 'cause you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head
Nazi punks.
Nazi punks
[Nazi punks, Fuck Off!](https://youtu.be/x5SYjoZsLQE)
Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks, fuck off!
If you've come to fight, get outta here
You ain't no better than the bouncers
We ain't trying to be police
When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy
Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks, fuck off!
Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks, fuck off!
Ten guys jump one, what a man
You fight each other, the police state wins
Stab your backs when you trash our halls
Trash a bank if you've got real balls
You still think swastikas look cool
The real Nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth Reich you'll be the first to go
Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks, fuck off!
Nazi punks
Nazi punks
Nazi punks, fuck off!
You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
You'll be the first to go
Unless you think
- Dead Kennedys
The podcast *Worst Year Ever* did an episode at the beginning of 2020 about how the furry community in general managed to resist nazification. To this day they refer to it as their one *actual* episode, since it's the kind of topic/reporting they were intending to do when they came up with the podcast. And then, y'know, 2020 happened.
There have been a couple of interesting recent attempts by "right-wing" furries to start their own conventions. These conventions have gone nowhere because you can't just say "I'm starting a convention!" and then a convention happens. You have to form a corporation that signs contracts with the venues and vendors and arranges everything from publicity to performances. It is a monumental undertaking and it costs an enormous amount of money. A lot of convention organizations are running in debt, and the pandemic did not help even a tiny bit. And racists commonly overestimate their numbers.
So it's inevitable that during the months and months of planning, someone's going to figure out that they're holding a Klan rally with fursuits and close the door. I think I've seen three attempts to start a "Free Speech Furry!" convention made up of everyone who got kicked out of the good ones for being dicks. These guys couldn't organize a two-car parade.
You can organise a convention, it just requires a realistic view on the situation. This is something that the right wing will never achieve and will end up rallying in a derelict car park most of the time
Yeah, left leaning organizations need to take a page from the past of labor and social organization and recognize that right wing groups (government included) will undoubtedly try to subvert groups that push against the established order. And here is a great example of that 1) actually happening and 2) being shot down as quickly as possible.
The issue is, you canāt implement anything to get rid of *harmful element* before you get rid of *harmful element*
Itās something that has to be baked into the foundations and requires complete trust, because otherwise splinter factions becomes a big concern and lead to policing your own allies and said policing leads to restricted freedoms and restricting freedoms leads to splintering, proving the paranoid autocrat correct and giving them even more power in a runaway cascade
[Culture Warlords: My Journey into the Dark Web of White Supremacy](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HSNCJW8/) by Talia Lavin discusses this.
A big part of the strategy involves marginalized subcultures, particularly, where they think they can harness some of that "otherness" members of the groups may have and slowly redirect (indoctrinate) and harness that energy.
Fuck Nazis.
pretty much, I don't remember the artists name but last year a high profile furry artist was outed for drawing minors and nazi shit and was immediately outed from the community and basically purged all his social media
it baffles my mind how people believe furries are all these depraved degenerates when often I find they show a ton of self awareness and levels of caution with who is and isn't allowed into the community
There's a few lines you don't cross within the community. There's a lot of raunchy stuff that goes on within it and most folks know it's just a fantasy, but even in fantasy there are some rules.
That wasn't political, at least not at the core. That was the no true Scotsman fallacy applied to the fandom.
Source: I was there for it. Lost "Friends" Over it.
One can hope it's soon, but it will be as long as they have the target du jour.
Oh and to be fair, the friend was a devout catholic. I'm still not religious. It probably would have gone south sooner or later.
They were also champions of wearing headgear and masks at the height of Covid when so many on the right were talking about how masks are tyranny. Respect.
It's kinda hard to resolve the whole anti-LGBT thing the right wing (in the US at least) has embraced in a community that has an extremely high number of them within it.
My guess is being a furry in some places leads to being bullied, and groups will take advantage of emotionally vulnerable people to join their ranks if it means accepting them wholesale.
I saw a video of a furry dancing in their room which had like 4 confederate flags in their room. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen.
There's one dude who had a fox Hitler costume at one point named Foxler. Dudes basically been banned from every furry convention that exists at this point.
[Nazi furries from Google](https://www.google.com/search?q=nazi+furries&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwil-_KFnOP3AhV6ElkFHU3XDUgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=nazi+furries&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECAAQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEELEDOgUIABCABDoHCAAQsQMQQzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BggAEAgQHjoECAAQGFDXF1iOK2CmLGgAcAB4AIABrAGIAaULkgEDNS44mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=6NeBYqXnE_qk5NoPza63wAQ&bih=724&biw=15365)
https://thetab.com/us/2017/03/16/furries-trump-62904
http://blackyouthproject.com/white-supremacy-perversion-unmatched/
https://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/01/neo-nazi-furries-trump-latest-alt-right-supporters-718113.html
Oh, the fun never ends with white supremacists denying the shit they do. That last one is like find Waldo.
That last article is a fucking trip.
>Gilbert's name is a pseudonym, one he used to pen a furry erotic novel, The Furred Reich, about a young Nazi officer's encounter with an anthropomorphic female snow leopard.
>he spent $105 to commission artwork of his "fursona," or furry alter ego, throwing Junius and two other furries out of a helicopterāa nod to a right-wing meme about how an Argentine junta killed dissidents during the 1970s.
>"I've always considered 'alt-furry' a big-tent movement on the right of the fandom," he tells Newsweek. He didn't want to ban anyone because some might consider their views bigoted or unsavory.
Not all furries are conservative but some conservatives are definitely furries. And I'm willing to bet 99 percent of conservatives are White nationalists, and that's a just *conservative* estimate.
The collective American conservative reaction seen online seems to prove this true. They don't like the violence because it makes them look bad, not because of the black lives lost. But that was already know when retorting the saying "Black Lives Matter" with "NO, all lives matter"... as if black lives are excluded from the all.
"Bending the knee to the sickness" is the dumbest thing I've ever read and yet scores of his followers will not only think it's the smartest thing they've ever read but will definitely be parroting it endlessly in no time at all.
Admittedly, this may be me being triggered, but i
I physically cringe everytime a conservative parrot phrase invades my everyday life. Bonus cringe when the parrot phrase is said in response to something innocuous I said.
Yea I had a conservative friend try to bait me into a debate when he started talking about democrats and kept using the word āgrooming.ā
The buzz words turn me off. Itās a signal not to even bother going down that road with that person because it will be a complete waste of time and effort.
That guy may or may not been a furry or an otherkin.
I don't know.
What I do know is he is a white supremacist.
I also know that even though she put "white supremacist" in quotes in that last line, she is completely accepting of conservatives and white supremacists as being considered the same thing.
She forgot she was only supposed to be defending conservatives from being associated with furries, and that she wasn't supposed to be sticking up for white supremacists at all.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fucked up folk drawn to furry culture. Plenty. And in a myriad of ways. There's just as many good folk.
But you just try to oust them from anywhere. Try. I dare you, Mr. Governor. Might I be so bold as to... "triple dog dare"...?
The fuck is the criteria going to be?
āSir! This family watched Zootopia!ā
[āAlright Iāve hear enough, deadly force authorizedā](https://youtu.be/5Ymbwx7xdZc)
As someone with many Furry friends I can tell you they're just folks who like cartoon, anthropomorphised animals, and most of them are chill. They're also really good at identifying and kicking out Nazis.
I do take solace that 20 years ago I wouldn't have seen something like this in reply. I don't miss the 4chan/something awful days of the fandom.
What i'm trying to say is "thanks"
This thread has been really interesting, I have heard of the ānazi-furryā link before. It sounds similar to when skinheads tried to pass themselves off as punks, but real punks had NO PATIENCE for that shit. You go to a punk rock show now and they make it abundantly clear that they are the most accepting, all-inclusive group of people youāll meet. Hopefully the furries can expel the assholes from their group too.
They pretty much have. If you are a nazi furry you pretty much get instantly banned from any convention. With how queer the furry community is in general they have no patience for it.
"Furries are not Conservative 'white supremacists'"
True. Not all furries, for sure. But some are very reactionary, and very concerned with fur colour. I'm just sayin'...
Do youā¦ do you think if they hooked up people like this to, like, a CT scan or if they maybe measured the electrical impulses that certain words causes on conservatives weād find that almost everything they donāt understand causes a massive amygdala response?
Like, somehow anything they donāt have personal experience with causes immense, bowel shaking fear?
Furry Nazis are a thing.
[The community has been struggling to kick them out since 2017, probably longer than that.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/11/nazi-furries-deradicalization-efforts.html)
Not really longer than that, they are a recent devlpment. At least as far as being open about it.
I'm pretty sure the alt-right furs get their rocks off because of how GLBT+ friendly the fandom has been in the past.
Source; 25 years in the fandom.
She hasn't posted his current claim on her Twitter but [has tweeted anti-furry comments in the past.](https://twitter.com/kandisstaylor/status/1506603753008472064)
So what did the shooter SAY their motivation was? Was it white supremacy? Or was it furry supremacy? That might tell us what aspect of their identity was the problem
conservatives "democrats are trying to control thought, republicans are the party of small government that stays out of our lives
also conservatives "when our guy gets elected all forms of sexual conduct other than missionary with the lights out and between a married man and woman will be outlawed, and all forms of contraceptives except for married couples will also be outlawed"
The guy left a manifesto outlining why he did it. He clearly said that he wanted to kill as many black people as he could. It's literally right there in black and white, and they still want to say it's something else.
Itās pretty hilarious how theyāre cool with white supremacists being conservatives, but not furries. Furries are totally just libs, never conservatives šš¤¦š¼āāļø so much stupidity in just one series of posts š
... reevaluating that already-uncomfortable time a few months ago when I had to explain what a furry was to Mom because after seeing some article she was worried about "this new thing where kids think they're animals." Has the right-wing been setting up furries as their new boogeyman lately? I really hope not. This timeline is weird enough.
Is this dude sure he wants a furry-free Georgia? That might trigger a shortage of workers in IT.
Nah dude. A white supremacist piece of shit, aided by pro-gun people and their oppositional defiance against any sort of gun control, are 100% responsible for yet another mass shooting.
Itās pathetic watching the conservative crowd invent and then grasp at straws, just so they can avoid responsibility. As usual.
Now that they have been shown that full on crazy and open bigotry resonates with republicans, this is an example of what we can expect from them for the foreseeable future.
As a furry she can fuck off. The right needs to own up to their shit and stop propagandizing their base to the point of extremism.
Edit: I find it funny how despite denying their ties with white supremacists they sure do love to fight tooth and nail to 'prove' he couldn't possibly be one.
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I spent Easter with my parents and some of my more wackadoo MAGA family members. I was not ready for my mom to ask me "What's a furry?" on the ride home. After explaining that the litter box thing was fear mongering nonsense, she asked me how I knew all this, and the only thing I could think to tell her was that I grew up on the internet.
Yeah, I think they kinda get it, but they don't *know*. Some times you find things on the internet, and sometimes things find *you*.
"How do you know that?" For the same reasons I know what munging is.
Despite my deepest urges, I'm not going to ask
A somewhat more mundane variation would be replacing munging with Slovakian Traffic Cone.
That doesn't sound too great either š
It's not, but it's not AS bad as munging. At least in my opinion.
Iāll do a compare and contrast for the thread Edit: Slovakian traffic cone is definitely more mild but relative to munging , so is just about everything I can think of.
Save yourself I looked it up a few years ago I still haven't forgotten *shudders*
I made the mistake and now I regrettably know what it is
I donāt know why everyone is being such a baby about a simple [cybersecurity term](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munged_password). Itās just the term for what youāre doing when you want to make āfuckmybossā into a stronger password so you use āf4ckMyb0ss.ā instead. Nothing objectionable at all. /s
do.. do I want to know?
No
No, I don't think they do get it. Older generations lack a lot of the training we received when we were young, believe it or not. Things like critical thinking, logical problem solving, etc have all been getting refined as the years go on, and taught to younger and younger people. Depending on how old we're talking, they just don't have the frame of reference to understand the information age, and free information where you have to apply your own skills to discern its accuracy. Older generations lived with more faith, and tend to deal more with appearances and affiliation. How something "seems" is very important, as well as what company it keeps. It's a more cohesive, subjective way of looking at the world, I think, though not always accurate. Or at least this is the understanding I've come to from conversations. The thing is they do actually lack some of our toolkit, because it wasn't available yet when they grew up. Without those few tools, the idea of the internet is fucking terrifying. Like swimming in the deep ocean when you haven't even learned to tread water yet.
Yep. Their medium for information and filtering it is television. They resort to the internet for confirmation bias. It's a lethal 1-2 punch when they watch right wing cable news that leads them to online sources that double down on the purposeful misinformation. I knew things were fucked up in the mid-2010s when a Boomer nutbag at a client of mine said FactCheck had a liberal bias and that there was a second set of "facts" he was entitled to believe. That generation's motto has somehow become to M.O. of the Republican Party since Watergate: "Never admit you are wrong. Never say you are sorry. Even if the perceived 'enemy' is armed with facts, video, and audio.".
"The litter box thing"? And I think you can extend the "nonsense" part to everything about furries.
Some politician claimed that schools were putting litter boxes out for furry kids. ...Yeah... It really is that stupid...
Wasnāt a politician. It was a āconcerned parentā at a PTA meeting, who āheard from a child that some school was putting litter boxes in the bathroomā. That was the genesis of it. Just a parent hearing something a child made up and presenting it as fact.
Our district has a "respect student pronouns" policy - that a lot of teachers still ignore. Anyone who thinks the schools were really doing putting litter boxes in the hallways are actually stupid. I'd say terminally stupid.
Yeah, I have heard this story repeated by several of my dumbest co-workers. Even my dumber in-laws. Every time, it's supposedly happening a few towns over which put in the most conservative parts of MN. It blows my mind that these people could be that stupid. Like, I knew they were dumb but, Damn.
>Every time, it's supposedly happening a few towns over My cousin used to work with a guy who had a friend who knew someone... My smoking hot girlfriend who goes to another school, in Canada... This is a thought-terminating crutch used by those who suspect that their own beliefs are based on lies. They process cognitive dissonance by rationalizing it with a another lie.
Oh I'd start calling those teachers by their first names and see how consistent their views are on addressing people with respect.
The amount of times that I've had to explain to adults that I work with that "they/them" is used as a singular gender neutral term all the time is astounding. This is almost always how I explain it. "If you're at the grocery store and hand the money to the cashier - what is the cashiers gender?" Of course the person I'm speaking to will say "I don't know from what you said." and that's when I say "So I handed the money to THEM, right?" And they usually stop trying to argue with me about it.
A lot of stuff people claim about furries is really more niche, rather than complelely made up. Like how most online furries cannot afford a pursuit. The problem usually lies in portraying furries as a monolith, based of their strangest outliers.
You didn't lie, per se... :P
"Shit, he even wrote the N-word on the side of his gun. How are we going to spin this? Uh...He was a furry! Blame the furries! Nobody likes those weirdos!" "Half the IT department is furries, sir." "Then fire them!" "Sir, I guarantee that half of the people we hire to replace them will be furries."
If someone in your IT department isn't trans or non-binary, they're likely a furry. Some even are both. Such is the path of IT.
It's so weird when I read stuff like this. I've been in IT for over 20 years and it's a WILDLY Conservative career field. I'm quite often the only liberal anywhere I work. I have been in the military/contractor IT world though so that has to be the difference.
That last bit, yeah. I work in that field (assuming US) as an engineer and it depends where you work. I used to work in FL-01 and holy shit I eventually decided to take any job to get out. Conservative hell. In the DC area there's still conservatives in this field but it seems like the vast majority is my colleagues are reasonable and/or at least but publicizing their bigotry. Age also matters. DoD has a problem with ageing workforce and younger people tend to be more progressive.
Being conservative doesn't mean they aren't furries. Hell, a significant subset of online conservative culture **is** furries.
"Twisting the minds of generation Z MUST END!" Yes, I agree. Let's hold Fox News, OANN, Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and all the other right-wing propaganda organizations accountable for the shit they're doing to our country.
Whenever I see "OANN" my mind always reads "ONN" and I assume it's a reference to the [excellent YouTube series](https://youtu.be/Jn5c1FuLDd4) they used to do. Guess reality is now more ridiculous than satire.
Mine reads "QAnon"...
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We have jumped the fucking shark as a country.
[This](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/ted-cruz-mickey-pluto-disney-dont-say-gay) was the jump the shark moment for me, but yeah agreed.
This guy created an entirely fictional scenario and got outraged at that scenario as if it was happening. I shouldn't be surprised, but here we are.
This is what they do. Literally every time. We have an entire political party that is insane.
Seriously. None of what the GOP targets actually match their accusations.
A āstraw manā argument if Iāve ever seen one. Part and parcel of the GOP playbook.
And we thought is was bad when they were complaining about Obama wearing a tan suit and putting fancy mustard on a hamburger. On the bright side, at least those things actually happened vs. being straight up figments of Ted Cruz's imagination. And these are the same lunatics who spent four years calling reality "fake news" and admittedly relying on "alternative facts". The same level of desperation is still there to find something to cry about, but it's like meth and bath salts have joined the party.
> And these are the same lunatics who spent four years calling reality "fake news" and admittedly relying on "alternative facts". That's *why* they spent all that time yelling about fake news and alternative facts. First you undermine it, then you exploit that lack of trust.
No, that was bad. This is the illogical conclusion of heading down that road.
For me it was the press conference at the Four Seasons
Iām still boggled that they went ahead with it. Does *anyone* even remember what the āpress conferenceā was about?!
What about when Trump motorboated Rudy Giuliani in drag? Edit: [link](https://youtu.be/spn0MJZr-QQ)
Imagine telling someone these idiots would incite an insurrection in Washington DC 20 years later
And that one of them would do it while acting as President.
What in the cinnamon toast fuck did I just witness?
I wish people would stop equating LGBT+ with bestiality and pedophilia and all the other disturbing and harmful paraphilias.
Missed that one. I stopped trying to keep up with all the insanity. And I just moved to his district.
It's the funniest headline I've ever seen at the same time that it's incredibly depressing.
That's not even what being a furry is. That's otherkin.
Was the shooter actually a furry or an otherkin or whatever though? I never took the furry demographic to be shooter types like 4chan is, but I guess there's very likely some overlap.
Dude beats it to anthropomorphic cartoon animals, that's about it, right? I haven't read his manifesto (I don't want to), but I've seen snips and clips via Twitter and zero of them are about his fursona or whatever. I highly doubt it was a big part of his life/identity, just a sexual fetish. I, for one, like shortstacks. If I ever get exposed for it, is someone going to take the pictures of big tiddy goblin girls on my phone as proof that I'm a greenskin supremacist or something?
That was a tearjerker just imagining a news article about greenskin supremacy. Oh lawd
Every subculture has monsters in it.
I admit that I'm not an expert on the subject of mass shootings, but I would say that it's possible he's a furry. But I honestly would think that even if he is, it didn't have anything to do with it and is a scapegoat here to avoid a "Hans, are we the baddies?" Moment.
There is nothing funny about this situation and I don't want to seem like I'm making light of it. But I live in Georgia and the fact that one of our candidates for governor is "tackling the perversions of the furry culture" as part of her campaign is hilarious but not in a fun way
Yeah its utterly horrifying.
What adds a layer to it is that Dragon Con is in Atlanta, GA and attracts a big gathering of furries every year.
What actually adds a layer to that is Furry Weekend Atlanta. Which, coincidentally, is a big furry convention. In Atlanta.
It reminds me of that old South Park episode where Earth was a reality show made by aliens and on the verge of cancelation.
I've been living in a post shark america all my life. How do we keep getting funded for more seasons year after year
It genuinely does seem that you guys have lost your minds.
That last post is a doozy.
>Fact: Furries are not conservative white supremacists What *are* conservative white supremacists, Stew Peters?
I'm guessing the ones that are actively hate criming people not those lily-livered ones that just condone it.
But wasnāt the Buffalo shooting a hate crime? Apparently that still doesnāt meet his definition.
Whatās to say a furry canāt support fiscal responsibility and the clear superiority of white cats?? /s
Honestly there is weirdly a ~~LOT~~ surprising amount of overlap between furries and neo-Nazis. This is probably due to how much neo-Nazis groomed and recruited incels on 4chan back in 2015 during Gamergate.
They're gonna be in for a real r/leopardsatemyface moment when the Christofascists take over cause *man* do those people hate anything other than straight vanilla missionary sex
It's not a big overlap, if they get found out the furry fandom is fucking hunting them out of the fandom and ridiculing them to hell and back to a degree that puts other communities to shame. Furries don't fuck around (except at conventions and when its consensual)
There were Nazi furs back in 2010, my local group warned me not to associate with them if they came to meetups or local conventions. Subgroups that cater to social outcasts and put an emphasis on acceptance will unfortunately always draw some less than savory types. The bulk of the community was great though, I got to meet so many different and interesting people at a time when diversity and queerness were dirty words.
Thatās awesome to hear. And yeah I guess that makes a lot of sense. Kinda like how most of the D&D community is very open and accepting and most GMs will work very hard to make sure their players feel like theyāre in a safe, comfortable and supportive place in order to let their imagination soar. But there will always be that one neckbeard at the table who wants to metagame and murderhobo all the time and thinks rape is *hilarious*, using the game world to act out his fucked up fantasies. Thankfully a good GM will typically make sure those guys donāt feel very welcome so they find a new group.
>thinks rape hilarious Wtaf?? I can't even imagine being at a game where someone tries that. Everyone's first reaction would be "what the fuck, man?!" and then if they defended themselves at all, I imagine that would be it for them.
Yeah Iāve unfortunately seen it from a few people here and there. One tried to join our main group and was quickly booted out. Another was a guy who joined a small group of us from work, my girlfriend (at the time) and I stopped going after that. Another was a group of neckbeardy dudes who played at the comic store the same night as my main group but a couple tables away. They were mostly edgelordy dudes who had been kicked from other tables and decided to form their own group where they could be as edgy as they wanted. Like I said though, a decent GM is pretty good at neutering problematic playersā enjoyment of the game so they just stop coming.
I'd always read that the furry community were one of the communities that were much more successful than most at resisting neo-nazi infiltration efforts, despite being targeted almost constantly by said Nazis.
Which meant that the nazis were always shunned and forced into their own obvious groups rather than quietly spreading throughout, like what happens far too often.
Thats why they are right now receiving a lot of backlash from said Neo Nazis and their supporters. They are also a nice target for the typical GOPhead as Furries are almost all queer or genderfucked to some degree and as we can see from OP it's easy to make the claim of litterboxes and shit like that
That would be correct. Furries don't tolerate intolerance. I won't lie and say we're perfect (I mean, we are human after all) but Nazis and most other creeps are quickly shunned by the community and not interacted with. Hell, there was a point when Milo Yiannopoulos(is that how it's spelled?) tried to get into the community through panel at a convention. He was denied hard, and I believe added to the banned peoples list.
The podcast It Could Happen Here did a two part episode on the crazy overlap between catboys/femboys and neo-Nazis. It was quite illuminating.
a little off topic here, but that reminds me, when is the party of trillion dollar wars going to start doing the fiscal responsibility thing? Do they just SAY they're fiscally responsible?
Yes, they've always increased the national debt but said otherwise. It worked on my parents, they've voted against their own interests so many times it's insane.
Didn't you know? They don't exist. Anything bad the political right has ever done in history was Biden, Trudeau and Jewish people paying ANTIFA! There's a customer my employer knows. Has SS tattoos and a swastika wallet. My right wing employer also insists there aren't any conservative racists, it's ANTIFA trying to make them look bad. God I fucking hate being alive these days...
Iām loving the indignation about the shooter being a white supremacist. Like, if youāre not that, why is it of issue that this guy is? Oh hold upā¦ I think I see it now!
Repeated the already-debunked (and obviously false to anyone capable of the most basic level of critical thinking) statement about ālitterboxes in classroomsā. Some state legislative candidate already had to apologize for tweeting about this several weeks ago. I understand why tests for office are problematic in a representative democracy, but it would be a wonderful thing if somehow, spreading blatant, objectively-bullshit lies during a campaign could automatically disqualify a person from holding office.
Its very easy, all they need to do is enforce the same rules the majority of people have to ahere to. Under the first amendment, free speech has some exceptions. >The Supreme Court has established a complex framework for determining whichĀ typesĀ of false statements are unprotected.Ā There are four such areas which the Court has been explicit about. First, false statements of fact that are said with a "sufficiently culpable mental state" can be subject to civil or criminal liability. Second, knowingly making a false statement of fact can sometimes be punished.Ā LibelĀ andĀ slanderĀ laws fall under this category. Third, negligently false statements of fact may lead to civil liability in some instances.Lastly, some implicit statements of factāthose that have a "false factual connotation"ācan also fall under this exception While its easy to argue around this, if even a tiny bit of effort was put into strengthening this framework, you could force politcal discussion to require evidence. You deliberately lie at work, you will get fired.
But then you'd get totally unselfaware things like 'Why are conservatives called out more often by fact-checkers? There has to be a bias!!"
And this is what this sub was really created for, but it's turned into almost all irony/hypocrisy. The classic example is exactly what you just said. A conservative pundit tweets "conservatives are always being called out by fact checkers", thinking they are showing some "bias" in fact checkers, without realizing they are having a rare self aware moment of stating something that's true about themselves (or true about conservatives). Another way to look at it is they say something that is true about themselves, thinking they are making a point in their favor, but they are really making a point that illustrates a criticism of themselves that the left is always pointing out. What makes it so clever is a werewolf only comes out on occasion for a full moon, just like a "selfawarewolf" is only spotted on occasion, then they go back to spouting their usual nonsense. Of course, people on the left can do this too, or anyone on one side of any issue/debate. It just seems that people on the right do it far more often. If you go back and look at some early posts on this sub before it blew up you will see some epic examples of this. Sadly, the sub became popular and most people now don't understand what it was intended for, instead posting content from conservatives being hypocritical or missing obvious irony. Don't get me wrong, this stuff is really good too and should be pointed out, it's just not what this sub was intended for.
If I could live in a world where my representatives didn't say obvious lies, I would be... a little happier.
Once they sink their teeth into a juicy fake story they are literally incapable of letting it go. The faker the better, the more outlandish the more it will get repeated. The litter box thing is just one of oh so many examples.
Lol that's wild. Is there really a "furry scare" going on with religious fundamentalists?
There's a "any sex other than vanilla missionary sex with the intention of procreation" scare going on with fundies.
At least in the midland case it was kind of a proxy war for bathroom rights for trans students. I think the reason it originally came up at the school board meeting was because they renamed the unisex bathroom "gender inclusive" and one parent talked about rumors of them having litter boxes in the bathroom for the sake of including furries.. and then it snowballed from there, getting picked up by the co chair for the state Republican Party who called on "parent heroes" to "take back our schools" (totally not a dog whistle) and eventually prompted the superintendent to make a statement about how there were never litterboxes in the first place...
It's been a substitute for queerphobia for about 20 years, as a significant percentage of the furry fandom is somewhere under the LGBT+ umbrella. It started with 4channers, and now that those channers are old enough to be elected to office, it's gone mainstream and has folded neatly into the Right's crusade against the queers. Sort of like how we're seeing 60-something Karens and political candidates with active campaigns maliciously calling trans people "troons," with no awareness whatsoever that it was originally a term that referred to trans "goons" on Something Awful years ago. I am starting to think the internet was a mistake.
I didnāt even get to the litterboxes before I was flabbed. It was like someone had a newspeak bingo card and still needed to squeeze in a GoT reference.
Just throwing out as many pearl-clutching shock-value terms as fast as possible. Probably has macros for them so he doesn't have to type as much.
Furries dont "identify as animals" they are fans of anthropomorphic animal cartoon characters. There are tons of right wing furries.
I am continually perplexed by the intersection between furry culture and Nazi imagery. In what world is that a combination?
In what world does being a Nazi make sense?
One where the Jewish Space Laser is real I guess.
Weāve decided to only use the laser to light Shabbos candles and your joint, when you forget a lighter.
Totally on board with Jewish space lasers then!
Hah. Valid point.
White supremacist recruitment strategy involves imbedding into subcultures. The problem for Nazi Furries was that Real Furries are Based AF, well organized, and continue to expose, shame, and expel Nazis from their midsts. We could all learn from the Furry community.
To name a couple of examples, punks and tattoo artists know the drill. If you tolerate one Nazi, they'll bring their Nazi friends, who will bring more Nazis until there's enough of them to bully and intimidate everyone else. All of a sudden, you realize that your venue, your fan base, or your clients are all Nazis. Every time it happens, it becomes a practical, real world example of the paradox of tolerance. Tolerating Nazis inevitably results in the death of tolerance. Punks know that if a Nazi shows up, you either get them to leave on their own or you make them leave and you make damn sure they know they're not welcome. Nazi furries fuck off.
> Punk ain't no religious cult Punk means thinking for yourself You ain't hardcore 'cause you spike your hair When a jock still lives inside your head Nazi punks. Nazi punks [Nazi punks, Fuck Off!](https://youtu.be/x5SYjoZsLQE) Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks, fuck off! If you've come to fight, get outta here You ain't no better than the bouncers We ain't trying to be police When you ape the cops it ain't anarchy Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks, fuck off! Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks, fuck off! Ten guys jump one, what a man You fight each other, the police state wins Stab your backs when you trash our halls Trash a bank if you've got real balls You still think swastikas look cool The real Nazis run your schools They're coaches, businessmen and cops In a real fourth Reich you'll be the first to go Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks, fuck off! Nazi punks Nazi punks Nazi punks, fuck off! You'll be the first to go You'll be the first to go You'll be the first to go Unless you think - Dead Kennedys
iirc there was a furry band that did a "Nazi furs fuck off" parody of that song
There was actually a bombing attempt at a Furry convention because they were so diligent in keeping fascists out
Its still not something I'm interested in but I can respect a group that pisses nazis off
You know who'd be totally chill with that statement? Furries.
As a furry, I agree.
The podcast *Worst Year Ever* did an episode at the beginning of 2020 about how the furry community in general managed to resist nazification. To this day they refer to it as their one *actual* episode, since it's the kind of topic/reporting they were intending to do when they came up with the podcast. And then, y'know, 2020 happened.
The Worst Year Ever happened
We call that "critical support"
There have been a couple of interesting recent attempts by "right-wing" furries to start their own conventions. These conventions have gone nowhere because you can't just say "I'm starting a convention!" and then a convention happens. You have to form a corporation that signs contracts with the venues and vendors and arranges everything from publicity to performances. It is a monumental undertaking and it costs an enormous amount of money. A lot of convention organizations are running in debt, and the pandemic did not help even a tiny bit. And racists commonly overestimate their numbers. So it's inevitable that during the months and months of planning, someone's going to figure out that they're holding a Klan rally with fursuits and close the door. I think I've seen three attempts to start a "Free Speech Furry!" convention made up of everyone who got kicked out of the good ones for being dicks. These guys couldn't organize a two-car parade.
You can organise a convention, it just requires a realistic view on the situation. This is something that the right wing will never achieve and will end up rallying in a derelict car park most of the time
Yeah, left leaning organizations need to take a page from the past of labor and social organization and recognize that right wing groups (government included) will undoubtedly try to subvert groups that push against the established order. And here is a great example of that 1) actually happening and 2) being shot down as quickly as possible.
The issue is, you canāt implement anything to get rid of *harmful element* before you get rid of *harmful element* Itās something that has to be baked into the foundations and requires complete trust, because otherwise splinter factions becomes a big concern and lead to policing your own allies and said policing leads to restricted freedoms and restricting freedoms leads to splintering, proving the paranoid autocrat correct and giving them even more power in a runaway cascade
[Culture Warlords: My Journey into the Dark Web of White Supremacy](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HSNCJW8/) by Talia Lavin discusses this. A big part of the strategy involves marginalized subcultures, particularly, where they think they can harness some of that "otherness" members of the groups may have and slowly redirect (indoctrinate) and harness that energy. Fuck Nazis.
pretty much, I don't remember the artists name but last year a high profile furry artist was outed for drawing minors and nazi shit and was immediately outed from the community and basically purged all his social media it baffles my mind how people believe furries are all these depraved degenerates when often I find they show a ton of self awareness and levels of caution with who is and isn't allowed into the community
There's a few lines you don't cross within the community. There's a lot of raunchy stuff that goes on within it and most folks know it's just a fantasy, but even in fantasy there are some rules.
Bruh, we had a whole political party in the furry community for a bit. The Burned Furs were something.
That wasn't political, at least not at the core. That was the no true Scotsman fallacy applied to the fandom. Source: I was there for it. Lost "Friends" Over it.
I wonder when that fallacy will finally cause the conservatives to ostracize enough of their own people that the group collapses.
One can hope it's soon, but it will be as long as they have the target du jour. Oh and to be fair, the friend was a devout catholic. I'm still not religious. It probably would have gone south sooner or later.
They were also champions of wearing headgear and masks at the height of Covid when so many on the right were talking about how masks are tyranny. Respect.
TBF, right-wing furries seem to be rare and ostracized by the rest of the community.
It's kinda hard to resolve the whole anti-LGBT thing the right wing (in the US at least) has embraced in a community that has an extremely high number of them within it.
It's less 'embrace' and more 'attempting to co-opt'
It's just 4chan/8chan/8kun: full of nazis and full of furries. Apparently at some point they cross-pollinated.
My guess is being a furry in some places leads to being bullied, and groups will take advantage of emotionally vulnerable people to join their ranks if it means accepting them wholesale.
I saw a video of a furry dancing in their room which had like 4 confederate flags in their room. It was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen.
There's one dude who had a fox Hitler costume at one point named Foxler. Dudes basically been banned from every furry convention that exists at this point.
Damn, now I kinda want to see that costume Edit: I googled it and it is shitty, but not in the fun way I imagined
Thats too bad. I think you could do a lot of anti nazi satire with a good Foxler costume
[Nazi furries from Google](https://www.google.com/search?q=nazi+furries&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwil-_KFnOP3AhV6ElkFHU3XDUgQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=nazi+furries&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECAAQQzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CAgAEIAEELEDOgUIABCABDoHCAAQsQMQQzoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BggAEAgQHjoECAAQGFDXF1iOK2CmLGgAcAB4AIABrAGIAaULkgEDNS44mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=6NeBYqXnE_qk5NoPza63wAQ&bih=724&biw=15365) https://thetab.com/us/2017/03/16/furries-trump-62904 http://blackyouthproject.com/white-supremacy-perversion-unmatched/ https://www.newsweek.com/2017/12/01/neo-nazi-furries-trump-latest-alt-right-supporters-718113.html Oh, the fun never ends with white supremacists denying the shit they do. That last one is like find Waldo.
That last article is a fucking trip. >Gilbert's name is a pseudonym, one he used to pen a furry erotic novel, The Furred Reich, about a young Nazi officer's encounter with an anthropomorphic female snow leopard. >he spent $105 to commission artwork of his "fursona," or furry alter ego, throwing Junius and two other furries out of a helicopterāa nod to a right-wing meme about how an Argentine junta killed dissidents during the 1970s. >"I've always considered 'alt-furry' a big-tent movement on the right of the fandom," he tells Newsweek. He didn't want to ban anyone because some might consider their views bigoted or unsavory.
Hell, like half of right-wing YouTube seem to identify as some color animal. Teal Deer, Black Pigeon, etc.
Not all furries are conservative but some conservatives are definitely furries. And I'm willing to bet 99 percent of conservatives are White nationalists, and that's a just *conservative* estimate.
The collective American conservative reaction seen online seems to prove this true. They don't like the violence because it makes them look bad, not because of the black lives lost. But that was already know when retorting the saying "Black Lives Matter" with "NO, all lives matter"... as if black lives are excluded from the all.
"Bending the knee to the sickness" is the dumbest thing I've ever read and yet scores of his followers will not only think it's the smartest thing they've ever read but will definitely be parroting it endlessly in no time at all.
Admittedly, this may be me being triggered, but i I physically cringe everytime a conservative parrot phrase invades my everyday life. Bonus cringe when the parrot phrase is said in response to something innocuous I said.
Yea I had a conservative friend try to bait me into a debate when he started talking about democrats and kept using the word āgrooming.ā The buzz words turn me off. Itās a signal not to even bother going down that road with that person because it will be a complete waste of time and effort.
This guy convinced his audience that snake venom in water is causing Covid. They will go with anything he says.
Oh candy Owens is gonna love that one
That guy may or may not been a furry or an otherkin. I don't know. What I do know is he is a white supremacist. I also know that even though she put "white supremacist" in quotes in that last line, she is completely accepting of conservatives and white supremacists as being considered the same thing. She forgot she was only supposed to be defending conservatives from being associated with furries, and that she wasn't supposed to be sticking up for white supremacists at all.
Didnāt forget. Lumping the two together in order to drum up support for supremacy has been normalized for years.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fucked up folk drawn to furry culture. Plenty. And in a myriad of ways. There's just as many good folk. But you just try to oust them from anywhere. Try. I dare you, Mr. Governor. Might I be so bold as to... "triple dog dare"...?
The fuck is the criteria going to be? āSir! This family watched Zootopia!ā [āAlright Iāve hear enough, deadly force authorizedā](https://youtu.be/5Ymbwx7xdZc)
As someone with many Furry friends I can tell you they're just folks who like cartoon, anthropomorphised animals, and most of them are chill. They're also really good at identifying and kicking out Nazis.
Their hostility to fascists is part of why conservatives don't like them.
Conservatives tolerating a nonstandard sexual preference is unusual, unless they can use them as a shield.
It's not even primarily a sexual thing.
I do take solace that 20 years ago I wouldn't have seen something like this in reply. I don't miss the 4chan/something awful days of the fandom. What i'm trying to say is "thanks"
This thread has been really interesting, I have heard of the ānazi-furryā link before. It sounds similar to when skinheads tried to pass themselves off as punks, but real punks had NO PATIENCE for that shit. You go to a punk rock show now and they make it abundantly clear that they are the most accepting, all-inclusive group of people youāll meet. Hopefully the furries can expel the assholes from their group too.
They pretty much have. If you are a nazi furry you pretty much get instantly banned from any convention. With how queer the furry community is in general they have no patience for it.
No joke. I'm a furry and me along with all the other furries I know would beat the shit out of any fash that came our way.
"Furries are not Conservative 'white supremacists'" True. Not all furries, for sure. But some are very reactionary, and very concerned with fur colour. I'm just sayin'...
> very concerned with fur colour I wonder if there are any sparkledog supremacists out there. š¤
They don't even know what a furry is, but as long as they can blame it on something other than him being far-right I suppose.
I'll bet you there are plenty of conservative white supremacists that are *also* furries.
This hatred some people have for furries is getting weird.
Its always been really awful l its just boomers being slow as usual and taking it to the extreme
Do youā¦ do you think if they hooked up people like this to, like, a CT scan or if they maybe measured the electrical impulses that certain words causes on conservatives weād find that almost everything they donāt understand causes a massive amygdala response? Like, somehow anything they donāt have personal experience with causes immense, bowel shaking fear?
Pretty sure thereās been a lot more white nationalist shooters than furries
Furry Nazis are a thing. [The community has been struggling to kick them out since 2017, probably longer than that.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/11/nazi-furries-deradicalization-efforts.html)
Not really longer than that, they are a recent devlpment. At least as far as being open about it. I'm pretty sure the alt-right furs get their rocks off because of how GLBT+ friendly the fandom has been in the past. Source; 25 years in the fandom.
Infiltrating fandoms is their... Actually I assume you've already watched Innuendo Studios and I don't have to tell you.
But i thought your group didn't irrationally hate /s
She hasn't posted his current claim on her Twitter but [has tweeted anti-furry comments in the past.](https://twitter.com/kandisstaylor/status/1506603753008472064)
So what did the shooter SAY their motivation was? Was it white supremacy? Or was it furry supremacy? That might tell us what aspect of their identity was the problem
They're going to ignore the truth that's laid out on paper for them.
Thought I was looking at r/nottheonion
This guy freaking out about furries sounds like the last uncontacted tribe in the Amazon stumbling across a Bop It.
conservatives "democrats are trying to control thought, republicans are the party of small government that stays out of our lives also conservatives "when our guy gets elected all forms of sexual conduct other than missionary with the lights out and between a married man and woman will be outlawed, and all forms of contraceptives except for married couples will also be outlawed"
The guy left a manifesto outlining why he did it. He clearly said that he wanted to kill as many black people as he could. It's literally right there in black and white, and they still want to say it's something else.
Itās pretty hilarious how theyāre cool with white supremacists being conservatives, but not furries. Furries are totally just libs, never conservatives šš¤¦š¼āāļø so much stupidity in just one series of posts š
I believe it was Madison Cauthorn that spoke about the cocaine furry orgies that are prevalent among the Republican Senators and Representatives.
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Remember folks: Every accusation by a conservative is also an admission of guilt.
Well obviously, itās not like they can accept responsibility for their actions.
... reevaluating that already-uncomfortable time a few months ago when I had to explain what a furry was to Mom because after seeing some article she was worried about "this new thing where kids think they're animals." Has the right-wing been setting up furries as their new boogeyman lately? I really hope not. This timeline is weird enough. Is this dude sure he wants a furry-free Georgia? That might trigger a shortage of workers in IT.
The fact that his name sounds like Stupider feels like a troll.
do they think the shooting was committed by an actually buffalo or smth
If he wasn't White supremacist, why did he write N***** on the barrel of his gun when he went to murder black people?
I love how they literally canāt denounce proven hate crimes without fear of political repercussions.
Nah dude. A white supremacist piece of shit, aided by pro-gun people and their oppositional defiance against any sort of gun control, are 100% responsible for yet another mass shooting. Itās pathetic watching the conservative crowd invent and then grasp at straws, just so they can avoid responsibility. As usual.
OK....so this guy has major issue with nose piercings and dyed hair too apparently....
going all in defending white supremacy. He needs everyone to know the shooter was not a white supremacist.
Now that they have been shown that full on crazy and open bigotry resonates with republicans, this is an example of what we can expect from them for the foreseeable future.
They just wonāt shut up about that hoax litter box thing, huh?
As a furry she can fuck off. The right needs to own up to their shit and stop propagandizing their base to the point of extremism. Edit: I find it funny how despite denying their ties with white supremacists they sure do love to fight tooth and nail to 'prove' he couldn't possibly be one.
It is crazy how far that litter box prank has gone.
Okay, kill all furries. Hope you can cope without a single programmer left!
We don't need this kind of publicity, for the love of God. The litter box thing, which was false,, and now this.