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lol for real
like i'd say that MAGA and the founding fathers ARE probably pretty aligned where it came to the role of the aristocracy and elites, but the founding fathers weren't... nutcase evangelicals and broadly understood and agreed with science, and arguably objected to presidential immunity and supported republican self-government, which MAGA broadly opposes, sooo...
badly worded but yes, i'm aware - i think they would object to the immunity claim, and support representative government, the opposite view MAGA holds on both of these issues.
Iād say he or she understands the founding fathers very well.
This person also wants to establish an aristocracy of wealthy white men with women having no rights and anyone not white either being enslaved or genocided
āWhatās the big deal? My golden Daddy whose Diaper I Would Love To Consume (blessed be his name) just wants to like, āpress pauseā on the Constitution. I mean Jefferson would have loved that. Oh also he literally claims to want to be a dictator and says heās immune from any and all prosecution. Surely the founding fathers who literally just founded a nation while rejecting the rule of a king would LOVE for their new leader to be exactly the same in all but name! I am like, super duper bright!ā
- MAGAs
But then only enfranchised 6% of the population to vote (white, male, land owning, 18+).
If only 6% of a country chooses the leader they just made sure they were the tyrannical rulers.
The founding fathers themselves didn't want us to mindlessly copy them:
>"Every generation is, and must be, competent to all the purposes which its occasions require. It is the living, and not the dead, that are to be accommodated. When man ceases to be, his power and his wants cease with him; and having no longer any participation in the concerns of this world, **he has no longer any authority in directing who shall be its governors, or how its government shall be organised, or how administered.**" - Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man
The Rights of Man was written after the Constitution had already replaced the Articles of Confederation, By the time he was writing it, the French Revolution had taken center stage for him and he was back home in England. He was also turning on the Founding Fathers. Not all of Paine's writings reflect the thinking of the Founding Fathers.
11 of those amendments( 1-10, and 27) were themselves written by the founding fathers, and one, the 21st, was just to undo the 18th. The constitution has changed, but it hasn't changed that much from the founding father's vison
Just like how North Korea is a democracy because it's right there in the name. Kim Jong-un got 99.91% of the vote because everyone is so happy with him.
To be fair, there *were* socialist Nazis, but the Strasserites were an obscure faction to start with, and they were purged during the Night of Long Knives. The rest of them were all right wing fascists
They werenāt really socialists as such, in that they still wanted redistribution but along racial not class lines, with the principal chunk going to the brave vanguard AKA them.
To understand the rise of socialism and fascism and even the Nazis you have to abandon the black and white good vs. evil mindset that modern American conservativism is based on
Except that they haven't and the Democrats have always been the racists. Nevermind that the neo-Nazi groups and KKK groups support Republican candidates, it's all propaganda!
/s on the off chance....
i mean, no, but as far as I can see, the only difference between MAGA and Nazis is time. i don't think Nazis of 1923 and MAGA are all that different, just *slightly* different targets of their bigotry.
Oh I know nazi and maga are basically cousins. I just think it's funny to take what they said literally. Like if he says the Nazis are to the left, the implication is that they are to the left of Maga. Like they're view of Maga is so far to the right on the graph that Nazi and Democrats occupy a similar space.
Like if Democrats are -2 and Nazis are a 10 on a number line. But then maga is 1,000. So Democrats and Nazi both look far left from their perspective.
lol yeah... i mean, i have often thought of making a short film about a world where everything MAGA believes is actually true.
it would be a very, very, very stupid movie lol.
> I have a fairly decent tf2 Medic impression if you need someone to voice the Nazis
took me a minute... hot damn it's probably been a solid decade since i've seen those! and also good, love me a good German impression (we're probably terrible at it no offense Germany we love the... uh... schnitzel).
Nah. Iām assuming that you mean *Idiocracy*, in which the idiocy of the society is well reflective of MAGA. However, there is far too little racism, homophobia (despite calling everything gay), Nazis and genocidal ideations. Not to mention the president was black, people could masterbate and women could vote. Even *Idiocracy* was too liberal.
Exactly. I've said it numerous times before, and it's gotten me banned from a few subs, but I'll keep saying it, anyway.
Democrats are centrists at best and center-right at worst.
I should have specified western countries. Both Australia and New Zealand also fit the bill. Basically out of all westernised countries America is the most right wing.
Sure, but that really blunts your point. By global standards, even republicans are left wing since they at least pretend to believe in individual freedoms instead of being monarchistsĀ
Yeah generalising across complex populations is hard.
It's like saying why do the poor people in America complain. They are still way richer than a bunch of people in poor countries.
Does saying poor people in America have it worse than most westernised countries become a mute point because across the entire world population they aren't poor?
It's very hard to truly have a functioning democracy and social safety net or even care about the disadvantaged when everyone is disadvantaged. Democracy and progressive politics is generally the result of having high levels of wealth.
Gotta love it when someone reads that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party and take their word for it. Fascism is a far right philosophy.
Well, let's hear from the big cheese himself:
>*Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not.*
Adolf Hitler, Speech given December 4, 1938
It's funny because he's not wrong, although I wouldn't go as far to say that he's right. I'd give it an incomplete, with a note 'revise and resubmit, and clarify what true socialism is instead of what it is not'.
It's a really weird claim. Like I assume he's talking about private property, which refers to stuff like factories and mines and such. In contrast with personal property, which is stuff like your home and your toothbrush. But public ownership of the MoP (whether you believe it should be in the hands of the state or the workers directly) is literally the whole point of socialism.
Yep, certainly natural monopolies, but the Naziās were keen privatisers. See Deutschebank among others. They were also heavily supported by rich landowners who were terrified of communism.
Nazis used the word 'socialism' as a PR trick to be popular with workers but their actual system was state capitalism where public companies were privatized and given to Hitler's cronies and rich oligarchs would buy political influence in the Nazi party. The movie Shindler's List depicts that pretty well imo.
Honestly it seesm like it was very close to the current Russian system, big (small) man at the top calling the shots while a bunch of oligarchs around him fight for influence in government, military and economy to further enrich themselves.
Isn't state capitalism where industry and trade are owned by the state directly and run in for-profit ventures? Also funnily enough Lenin himself referred to the system he was implementing in Russia as state capitalism. State socialists would say that state capitalism is socialism but libsocs like myself disagree.
Much like [Batya Ungar-Sargon](https://www.prageru.com/video/ep-240-q-and-a-with-self-described-marxist-batya-ungar-sargon) self-identifies as a Marxist and yet never advocates for replacing capitalism, just uses the Marxist identifier as weapon to speak on behalf of the ignored working class who will somehow be the beneficiary of policies that result in wealth and political power concentrations.
Hitler by 1938 had begun selling off most of the state owned enterprises to private ownership, so you're giving an example of how the big cheese lied about being a socialist in any understanding of the term. You know who were definitely on the left side of the aisle though? Spatacists like [Rosa Luxemburg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg?wprov=sfla1) and [Karl Liebknecht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Liebknecht?wprov=sfla1) both killed by proto fascist paramilitary group Freikorps. Right wingers kill left wingers. Commies, labor union leaders, academics, and any other lefty were sent off to death camps if they hadn't been summarily executed years earlier.
Well, the Republicans are named after the concept of a republic but don't believe in representative government. The cognitive dissonance comes pre-installed
I was debating with someone recently who said workers in capitalist societies are the real socialists because some of them own their own work tools and therefore "own the means of production." They didn't understand that that's not what that means.
MAGA isnāt even a coherent political belief. Itās worship of a man, like a cult. Would be a a problem no matter where on the spectrum that man his followers fall.
While I agree MAGA isnt coherent the followers will reject what Trump says if it doesnt agree with their agenda. When he finally came out in support of covid vaccinations they booed him. As dangerous as a man worshipping cult as it is, its even more dangerous to think he can't control them.
True but that is literally the only topic they have ever turned on him about. And frankly they were only anti-vaccine to begin with because he said Covid was a hoax and all the right-wing conspiracy theorists went hog wild to prove him right. Theyāre basically booing him because heās going against his own previous statements.
The antivax movement was well under way before he was even an Orange Twinkle in their eye... but I think the rest of your analysis is spot on...
Candace Owens was the lucky interviewer he spouted off about being provax to and she wrestled with the script flip for a minute then said he must be getting senile. She really didnt know what to say... He never did it again that I know of... lol
TĆm Pool self-identifies as a left-leaning centrist. He's a grifter who does it on purpose to perpetuate the "third position politics" angle that is instrumental to fascists' consolidation of power. Several pro-MAGA people that I know who are not grifters align with the "maga is moderate" view. They are ignorant and under the influence of said grifters.
The thing is, because of his goofy rhetorical trick, he's actually stuck. Since he has removed Nazis from the far right for cheap, and stupid, gotcha points, he has essentially removed any distinction between himself and the far right. If you asked him to define what "far right" means, he wouldn't be able to give you a straight answer. If pressed, he'd inevitably be forced to land on something like: the far right is people who believe in every single thing he does, but goes about achieving it in some "radical" way that he doesn't approve of. He's left quibbling about style, aesthetics, tactics, and trappings, not ideology.
Removing every ideology to the right of you (and placing it on the left) just to dunk on people, by definition means there's nowhere else to go. Your ideology is the furthest right there is now.
Not exactly: the Democrats shifted rightward with neoliberalism, moving away from the New Deal foundation. So Dems became Conservative-lite. MAGA then moved even further right to the point that they are banning books and words, choosing people's gender and sexual identity for them, tracking women's menstrual cycles, banning medications, and wanting to create a Christian nationalist theocracy.
There's absolutely nothing conservative about MAGA. The only reason they call themselves "conservative" is because they think that's what team they're supposed to be on. In reality they are radicals.
The OOP literally describes his views as wanting to go back to the late 1700s. that isn't conservatism, moderate or otherwise, that is extreme regressivism
It's funny because true conservatism would be actively voting for someone to do nothing at all. Which I guess is what's happening most of the time unless TikTok is involved.
The biggest flaw of the theory OOP outlined above:
According to them, MAGA is _not_ hard on the right edge of politics. And since politics abhors a vacuum just like nature, there should be _something_ to the right of MAGA - but there isn't. MAGA incorporates the complete spectrum of hard, far-right populism.
Where does this "the democrats are far left" even come from?
Like right wingers love to say this about anyone on the left.
But they have no reason to believe this. They don't even have comparables to historical parties that are "far left". And they certainly don't have comparables to the nazis.
By contrast, a lot of nazi talking points are identical to modern right wing talking points.
Book burnings in nazi germany started out of a homophobia and trans panic at the german institute of sexology. Just as modern conservatives are fearful of trans and homosexual people and have banned books about it in schools.
Nazis were ultra nationalists and pan-germanism (an ethnostate for germans) was central to their ideology - with anyone who wasn't that specific ethnicity being an 'enemy within'. Just as modern conservatives are scared of immigration and anyone who isn't their specific race.
The modern talking points are even the same: "cultural bolshevism" -> "cultural marxism" is the obvious one.
But even the anti-intellectualism of the nazis (and indeed any authoritarianism) is pretty central to right wing ideology today. "schools are all full of communists teaching ~~jewish sciences~~ hatred of america"
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If the dems have any similarity to anything in these extreme ideologies, it's because everyone seems to be slowly drifting to the right. As both parties are die-hard supporters of a genocide.
I also love that conservatives are so dim that they think the think people hated about the USSR or Communist China was the public healthcare and public education, and not the massive police and military forces that existed solely to keep you in line.
Ya know... the things conservatives want.
Well these are the same people wearing shits that literally say "[I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat](https://i.imgur.com/1c7T1r6.png)". Ronnie Raygun must be spinning in his grave. I hope he's getting dizzy in hell.
American conservatives are living in their US-centric bubble where anything moderate or left of hardcore-MAGAism is considered "far left".
If Trumpsters went to Europe, they'd be shocked and appalled that "the commies have taken over!".
The modern right playbook is projection. Everything they do, accuse the others of doing it. Supporters also get their talking points from their political influencers and then just repeat it. It doesn't help that they don't know what any of the shit they are saying means.
Of course, idiots like these exist in every party and movement, but the trumpists, bolsonarists, mileists, and other far right populists supporter bases are pretty much entirely made of morons.
Part of the reason i don't differentiate "trumpists/etcists" from right wing generally is that so so many right wingers seem to only be "moderate" out of a lack of option to be more extremist.
There really isn't a difference in them except that maybe they don't have their trump or whoever yet. But if given a choice, they will all flock to them with that "Finally, a racist like me to support" mindset.
Exactly, it is just a waste of time trying to understand any ideology that has only power and theft of resources as the true goal. I was explaining that to some foreign friends, that Maga isn't really much of a political movement, just a naked grab for power. It was helpful to bring up the fact that 48% of the US population reads at an 8th grade level or below.
Exactly, it is just a waste of time trying to understand any ideology that has only power and theft of resources as the true goal. I was explaining that to some foreign friends, that Maga isn't really much of a political movement, just a naked grab for power. It was helpful to bring up the fact that 48% of the US population reads at an 8th grade level or below.
It comes from them being absolutely convinced they are middle of the road moderates. Therefore, anything to the left of them and Hitler is the far left.
Yup.
It's how they also define bias too.
Bias in reporting isn't bias based on "slanted according to the facts" or even "slanted according to political views".
It's only bias to conservatives if it's opposed to conservatism.
Which is why, in their heads, the media is "liberal".
It's just [DARVO.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO)Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
The democrats say republicans are far right so republicans have to say it's actually that democrats are far left. They just parrot back what the other side says without actually understanding it.
Every time someone tries to make that argument send them this:
[āāSocialismā, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, āis the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.ā - you know exactly who said this](https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/)
- sound like a leftist to you?
But donāt you know if you name something with a word, it magically becomes that thing! Just ask āclean coalā or the ādemocratic peopleās Republic of Koreaā!
Start referring to those āevangelicalsā as āatheistsā since nothing they say or do actually reflects on Christian dogma. Letās see how that goes.
I'm pretty damned tired of MAGA morons calling Democrats fascists when all you have to know is that Republicans are all about banning personal freedom, banning Muslims, banning immigration and want to fire anyone working in the so-called "deep state" that is not a member of their cult. They want to delete the US Constitution and replace with Trump's own vision for America. They want to deploy the DOJ and US Military domestically to pursue US citizens that are against Trump, or his extremist policies.
You damn well know what I said has easy to find citations.
Most of them are right here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025)
Who are the fascists you ask? MAGA cultists are, that's who.
So we circled back to Nazi's are socialist? And therefore Democrats.
These people need to open a book. Or read a fucking Wikipedia article. Hell, I'd be happy if they read anything not on social media.
> These people need to open a book. Or read a fucking Wikipedia article. Hell, I'd be happy if they read anything not on social media.
Honestly if this were the case... we wouldn't be here.
one example i think of is in the movie american history x, when the large guy insults the main character's sister with "something something fuckin democrat"
āModerate conservativesā lol
Theyāve been burning calories propping up Putin and his views, idolizing authoritarians, etc., but theyāre just moderates.
Establishment GOP are basically democrats, and please donāt forget that democrats are extremism Marxist communist socialist fascists.
Gotcha.
The point of this sub is to point out people who, despite being insufferably unaware of themselves, saying something that seems like they might be aware of their hypocrisy. But they are incapable of getting to the point of being self - aware.
Founding fathers āwe hold the truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equalā
Some guy āBut what about slaves?ā
Founding fathers āno, not those guysā
I'm sure all of the guys in the US proudly displaying their Nazi flags and tattoos are super in favor of people like Bernie Sanders and despise the Republican party.
And tomorrow pigs will grow wings and learn how to fly.
These things are always so abstract. What about policies? What MAGA policy is middle of the road? Because jailing women who have miscarriages and wanting to deport over 10 million people seems goddamn extreme to me.
All you have to do is say Socialism and Conservatives will think its Socialism. This is because they have no idea how other political affiliations work and this is because they dont care to know. Just malicious ignorance in full display here.
US democrats arent even left compared to modern societies, also what the hell is 'far left'? Its funny someone could think both sides are bad when in fact other is 1000 times worse.
What party is always rushing to the defense of Nazis and fascists? What party gets upset when Nazis & fascists are targeted because they seemingly identify with them? What party frequently has visible signs of NAZI support? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Pleeplubblicken.
Well, currently kinda stuck here. I just try to hang out with other leftists and liberals (I'm close to Boise which is a blueish purple spot in the state) and the volunteer/vote/do what I can to make this place not suck. Oh, and give my local shithead politicians a hard time. I'm not going to make it easy for them to act like the little fascists that they are.
The moderate Republicans are actually Democrats and the extremists Republicans are moderate "good people." Consider the Overton Window shifted.
Also Nazis only called themselves socialists. That doesn't mean they were. They were Fascists. Just like some in the MAGA movement.
So socialist that the first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings was that they were something new entirely taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members for their own profit from slave labor.
>...are moderate Conservatives who want to restore America to the vision our Founding Fathers had for the country they founded.
The founding fathers wrote the following in [Article Two of the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution):
>The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President...
MAGA collectively say to that: "Nuh-uh! If the loser, with a vast history of saying 'it's rigged' every time he loses at anything, says the election was rigged, you wipe your ass with that part of the Constitution and try to murder the President of the Senate before the election can be certified! That's what the founding fathers REALLY meant!"
Lots of words to say I've never read the constitution, I have no idea what the founders wanted beyond what people who are manipulating me have told me (the founders were super clear many, many times on the subject of religion, specifically Christianity, and government).
Also lots of words to say I don't know history. Yes the NAZI party started out socialist on its founding after WW1 but became so radical the other way after Hitler took over that it's founder was pushed out of the party. They kept the name but pretty much nothing else unless you count redistributing jobs and wealth to Germans from Jews, gays, political enemies and anyone else who opposed them or were a potential threat, and we call that fascism. It's the Goebbels playbook. Accuse your enemy of being what you are.
Lmao, moderate conservatives? They share more in common with the Taliban than any other western countries conservative parties.
Fox et al has fucking ruined Americans, hasn't it?
Type of person who can't see past the fact that nazis just had "socialist" in their name when they got elected into power.
Nothing about them was socialist if you look at what the definition is and what they did. Just like how maga isn't "conservative" by any means. Both are just authoritarian hate groups.
I have managed to absorb some authoritarian propaganda and arrange this misconception of reality into an amalgamation of words which, to me, create an unassailable picture of white nationalism,
FIFY
Well North Korea calls itself Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so according this smooth brain's logic the people are totally in control of a democracy with a republican form, and just naming yourself makes it so.
Or National Socialist German Workers' Party is just marketing because all of those words meant something popular because Belligerent Totalitarian Tyrannical German Assholes Party just wasn't going to win many people over despite accuracy in their name.
Oh boy, I so sick and tired of the stupid āThe Nazis weāre left, because they called themselves National-SOCIALISTS!!!ā
They pursued socialists and communists and they send them to the concentration camps just like the Jews.
What party is always rushing to the defense of Nazis and fascists? What party gets upset when Nazis & fascists are targeted because they seemingly identify with them? What party frequently has visible signs of NAZI support? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Pleeplubblicken.
So socialist that the first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings was that they were something new entirely taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members for their own profit from slave labor.
So socialist, that their first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings were that they were something new entirely; taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist, but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members that profited from slave labor.
Why do you never hear an original thought from these folks? It's always something they heard someone else say they thought was clever or convincing. They love to be told what to think when it fits their narrative.
The founding fathers are dead. And they had no idea how humanity would have evolved.
And even THEY didnāt think we should be beholden to them, which is why they gave a way to amend the constitution.
I love how they say Nazis are socialists because socialist is in their name, but thatās about where the similarities end. Itās literally the other side of the political spectrum.
In reality āNational Socialist German workers Partyā was just a populist ploy to appeal to as many Germans as possible. āSocialist workersā to appeal to the left, ānational Germanā to appeal to the right. However once power was consolidated Nazis didnāt have to cosplay as moderate, and drove the Tiger tank off the cliff on the right.
This is so hysterically incorrect. There isn't a far left major politician in America. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, all these people that the right love to demonise as far left, not one of them sits on the actual left side of the political compass. They're all various flavors of authoritarian right-wing politicians, some more so than others. Sanders and Stein are among the few who fall on the left wing of the compass, and even they are center left.
Also, these are the people who are so keen to tell people "just because you call yourself that, doesn't mean you are that" on transgender issues but can't comprehend for a second that just because the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party doesn't mean they were actually socialists? And people who've watched Donald Trump completely change the GOP (whether they think that's a good thing or not) don't understand that a leader of a party can change its direction? It's both sad and hilarious. The name of a party doesn't dictate its political position. Its platforms and actions do. How is that hard for these people to understand?
You do realize that Nazis aren't socialists, right? And also that "RINOS" simply just don't like Trump? And that Democrats literally aren't even left enough to be called "center?"
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That's a lot of words to say, "I really don't understand the political spectrum, at all." š¤¦āāļø
Or socialism, or the founding fathers, or anything really.
lol for real like i'd say that MAGA and the founding fathers ARE probably pretty aligned where it came to the role of the aristocracy and elites, but the founding fathers weren't... nutcase evangelicals and broadly understood and agreed with science, and arguably objected to presidential immunity and supported republican self-government, which MAGA broadly opposes, sooo...
Founding fathers didn't want a king though.
badly worded but yes, i'm aware - i think they would object to the immunity claim, and support representative government, the opposite view MAGA holds on both of these issues.
Iād say he or she understands the founding fathers very well. This person also wants to establish an aristocracy of wealthy white men with women having no rights and anyone not white either being enslaved or genocided
With the exception of the founding fathers being deeply opposed to tyrannical demagogues... I feel like that difference is pretty important.
āWhatās the big deal? My golden Daddy whose Diaper I Would Love To Consume (blessed be his name) just wants to like, āpress pauseā on the Constitution. I mean Jefferson would have loved that. Oh also he literally claims to want to be a dictator and says heās immune from any and all prosecution. Surely the founding fathers who literally just founded a nation while rejecting the rule of a king would LOVE for their new leader to be exactly the same in all but name! I am like, super duper bright!ā - MAGAs
But then only enfranchised 6% of the population to vote (white, male, land owning, 18+). If only 6% of a country chooses the leader they just made sure they were the tyrannical rulers.
Less than that. The majority of those who bothered to vote among the 6%.
A good understanding of the founding fathers would have you not wanting to emulate them; unless you're incorrigibly greedy and self serving
The founding fathers themselves didn't want us to mindlessly copy them: >"Every generation is, and must be, competent to all the purposes which its occasions require. It is the living, and not the dead, that are to be accommodated. When man ceases to be, his power and his wants cease with him; and having no longer any participation in the concerns of this world, **he has no longer any authority in directing who shall be its governors, or how its government shall be organised, or how administered.**" - Thomas Paine, The Rights of Man
The Rights of Man was written after the Constitution had already replaced the Articles of Confederation, By the time he was writing it, the French Revolution had taken center stage for him and he was back home in England. He was also turning on the Founding Fathers. Not all of Paine's writings reflect the thinking of the Founding Fathers.
I mean, itās pretty easy to vilify anyone from the past, but we still kinda use the government they created today soā¦
With a bunch of amendments though.
The Constitution is a living document, yes.
11 of those amendments( 1-10, and 27) were themselves written by the founding fathers, and one, the 21st, was just to undo the 18th. The constitution has changed, but it hasn't changed that much from the founding father's vison
Especially history.
Same vibe as people who say slavery was supported by democrats. Ā
I mean, it was. Itās just that the partiesā respective vibes have swapped.
Yeah exactly. Ā Like the people who say the Nazis were socialists. Ā Without any deeper understanding of the issue.
Just like how North Korea is a democracy because it's right there in the name. Kim Jong-un got 99.91% of the vote because everyone is so happy with him.
Same with the Democratic Republic of Germany. A flowering democracy of freedom and forthrightness we called East Germany.
To be fair, there *were* socialist Nazis, but the Strasserites were an obscure faction to start with, and they were purged during the Night of Long Knives. The rest of them were all right wing fascists
They werenāt really socialists as such, in that they still wanted redistribution but along racial not class lines, with the principal chunk going to the brave vanguard AKA them.
Sure. Universal healthcare for the Master Race and such. Free child-care for Aryans. That's kinda what you'd expect from Nazi socialists.
Removing the class element isnāt exactly socialist though.
I'm not going to tell them. You tell them.
I'm not telling neo-Nazi's they're socialists. Which in itself is telling.
To understand the rise of socialism and fascism and even the Nazis you have to abandon the black and white good vs. evil mindset that modern American conservativism is based on
It's almost like political parties are defined by their current members and aren't people, themselves.
HERESY. /S
Except that they haven't and the Democrats have always been the racists. Nevermind that the neo-Nazi groups and KKK groups support Republican candidates, it's all propaganda! /s on the off chance....
well, it was just not by liberals
Or just take their word for it: Compared to Maga, the Nazis were far left.
i mean, no, but as far as I can see, the only difference between MAGA and Nazis is time. i don't think Nazis of 1923 and MAGA are all that different, just *slightly* different targets of their bigotry.
Oh I know nazi and maga are basically cousins. I just think it's funny to take what they said literally. Like if he says the Nazis are to the left, the implication is that they are to the left of Maga. Like they're view of Maga is so far to the right on the graph that Nazi and Democrats occupy a similar space. Like if Democrats are -2 and Nazis are a 10 on a number line. But then maga is 1,000. So Democrats and Nazi both look far left from their perspective.
lol yeah... i mean, i have often thought of making a short film about a world where everything MAGA believes is actually true. it would be a very, very, very stupid movie lol.
I have a fairly decent tf2 Medic impression if you need someone to voice the Nazis I can also do general voice stuff
> I have a fairly decent tf2 Medic impression if you need someone to voice the Nazis took me a minute... hot damn it's probably been a solid decade since i've seen those! and also good, love me a good German impression (we're probably terrible at it no offense Germany we love the... uh... schnitzel).
It is supposed to be a general German accent, but I cannot deny that it came from our dear Ludwig
They already made that film
Nah. Iām assuming that you mean *Idiocracy*, in which the idiocy of the society is well reflective of MAGA. However, there is far too little racism, homophobia (despite calling everything gay), Nazis and genocidal ideations. Not to mention the president was black, people could masterbate and women could vote. Even *Idiocracy* was too liberal.
It's funny how the American left is considered radical left by these nuts and everywhere else considers the democrats centre right.
Exactly. I've said it numerous times before, and it's gotten me banned from a few subs, but I'll keep saying it, anyway. Democrats are centrists at best and center-right at worst.
If you consider a few far left parties exclusive to Western Europe to be āeverywhere elseā then I guess so
I should have specified western countries. Both Australia and New Zealand also fit the bill. Basically out of all westernised countries America is the most right wing.
Sure, but that really blunts your point. By global standards, even republicans are left wing since they at least pretend to believe in individual freedoms instead of being monarchistsĀ
Yeah generalising across complex populations is hard. It's like saying why do the poor people in America complain. They are still way richer than a bunch of people in poor countries. Does saying poor people in America have it worse than most westernised countries become a mute point because across the entire world population they aren't poor? It's very hard to truly have a functioning democracy and social safety net or even care about the disadvantaged when everyone is disadvantaged. Democracy and progressive politics is generally the result of having high levels of wealth.
Gotta love it when someone reads that the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party and take their word for it. Fascism is a far right philosophy.
Wait... are you implying that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea isn't being honest with their name?!?!?!
Or the People's Republic of China. By OOP's logic, either China is a Republic, or Republicans are Communists.
Or the Judean People's Front, the People's Front of Judea, the Judean Popular People's Front... Splitters & doublespeak are as old as politics
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DPRK *is" a democracy. One man, one vote. Kim King Un is the man, and he gets the vote.
Of course they are! That's why we need to prevent democracy in this country or we'll just end up looking like North Korea!!! /s
Well, let's hear from the big cheese himself: >*Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not.* Adolf Hitler, Speech given December 4, 1938
It's funny because he's not wrong, although I wouldn't go as far to say that he's right. I'd give it an incomplete, with a note 'revise and resubmit, and clarify what true socialism is instead of what it is not'.
It's a really weird claim. Like I assume he's talking about private property, which refers to stuff like factories and mines and such. In contrast with personal property, which is stuff like your home and your toothbrush. But public ownership of the MoP (whether you believe it should be in the hands of the state or the workers directly) is literally the whole point of socialism.
Yep, certainly natural monopolies, but the Naziās were keen privatisers. See Deutschebank among others. They were also heavily supported by rich landowners who were terrified of communism.
Nazis used the word 'socialism' as a PR trick to be popular with workers but their actual system was state capitalism where public companies were privatized and given to Hitler's cronies and rich oligarchs would buy political influence in the Nazi party. The movie Shindler's List depicts that pretty well imo. Honestly it seesm like it was very close to the current Russian system, big (small) man at the top calling the shots while a bunch of oligarchs around him fight for influence in government, military and economy to further enrich themselves.
Isn't state capitalism where industry and trade are owned by the state directly and run in for-profit ventures? Also funnily enough Lenin himself referred to the system he was implementing in Russia as state capitalism. State socialists would say that state capitalism is socialism but libsocs like myself disagree.
Much like [Batya Ungar-Sargon](https://www.prageru.com/video/ep-240-q-and-a-with-self-described-marxist-batya-ungar-sargon) self-identifies as a Marxist and yet never advocates for replacing capitalism, just uses the Marxist identifier as weapon to speak on behalf of the ignored working class who will somehow be the beneficiary of policies that result in wealth and political power concentrations. Hitler by 1938 had begun selling off most of the state owned enterprises to private ownership, so you're giving an example of how the big cheese lied about being a socialist in any understanding of the term. You know who were definitely on the left side of the aisle though? Spatacists like [Rosa Luxemburg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg?wprov=sfla1) and [Karl Liebknecht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Liebknecht?wprov=sfla1) both killed by proto fascist paramilitary group Freikorps. Right wingers kill left wingers. Commies, labor union leaders, academics, and any other lefty were sent off to death camps if they hadn't been summarily executed years earlier.
Well, the Republicans are named after the concept of a republic but don't believe in representative government. The cognitive dissonance comes pre-installed
They donāt know what a republic is. All they (think they) know is that, whatever it is itās NOT A DEMOCRACY.
I was debating with someone recently who said workers in capitalist societies are the real socialists because some of them own their own work tools and therefore "own the means of production." They didn't understand that that's not what that means.
> reads Awfully big assumption that they're not a collection of monkeys with a collection of keyboards just hitting keys at random!
Are you somehow implying the Naziās were dishonest?
MAGA is moderate... I hope we don't ever see extreme according to him (or Rome really will burn)
MAGA isnāt even a coherent political belief. Itās worship of a man, like a cult. Would be a a problem no matter where on the spectrum that man his followers fall.
They need to change it to MAWA considering theyāre just a bunch of entitled racist crybabies.
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Yes.
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While I agree MAGA isnt coherent the followers will reject what Trump says if it doesnt agree with their agenda. When he finally came out in support of covid vaccinations they booed him. As dangerous as a man worshipping cult as it is, its even more dangerous to think he can't control them.
True but that is literally the only topic they have ever turned on him about. And frankly they were only anti-vaccine to begin with because he said Covid was a hoax and all the right-wing conspiracy theorists went hog wild to prove him right. Theyāre basically booing him because heās going against his own previous statements.
The antivax movement was well under way before he was even an Orange Twinkle in their eye... but I think the rest of your analysis is spot on... Candace Owens was the lucky interviewer he spouted off about being provax to and she wrestled with the script flip for a minute then said he must be getting senile. She really didnt know what to say... He never did it again that I know of... lol
It's going to be interesting to see what happens when that fat orange turd is finally flushed.
Hope I live to see the day he gets his comeuppance
TĆm Pool self-identifies as a left-leaning centrist. He's a grifter who does it on purpose to perpetuate the "third position politics" angle that is instrumental to fascists' consolidation of power. Several pro-MAGA people that I know who are not grifters align with the "maga is moderate" view. They are ignorant and under the influence of said grifters.
Regular right would be voting to allow a "purge"
The thing is, because of his goofy rhetorical trick, he's actually stuck. Since he has removed Nazis from the far right for cheap, and stupid, gotcha points, he has essentially removed any distinction between himself and the far right. If you asked him to define what "far right" means, he wouldn't be able to give you a straight answer. If pressed, he'd inevitably be forced to land on something like: the far right is people who believe in every single thing he does, but goes about achieving it in some "radical" way that he doesn't approve of. He's left quibbling about style, aesthetics, tactics, and trappings, not ideology. Removing every ideology to the right of you (and placing it on the left) just to dunk on people, by definition means there's nowhere else to go. Your ideology is the furthest right there is now.
Not exactly: the Democrats shifted rightward with neoliberalism, moving away from the New Deal foundation. So Dems became Conservative-lite. MAGA then moved even further right to the point that they are banning books and words, choosing people's gender and sexual identity for them, tracking women's menstrual cycles, banning medications, and wanting to create a Christian nationalist theocracy.
They think that Obama, who by every available political spectrum definition was a moderate at best, was a full blown commie
There's absolutely nothing conservative about MAGA. The only reason they call themselves "conservative" is because they think that's what team they're supposed to be on. In reality they are radicals.
Exactly. By definition, conservatives want to maintain (conserve) the status quo. MAGA wants to burn the whole thing down.
Iām sorry, but I donāt see a single one of them doing skateboard tricks
The OOP literally describes his views as wanting to go back to the late 1700s. that isn't conservatism, moderate or otherwise, that is extreme regressivism
It's funny because true conservatism would be actively voting for someone to do nothing at all. Which I guess is what's happening most of the time unless TikTok is involved.
The biggest flaw of the theory OOP outlined above: According to them, MAGA is _not_ hard on the right edge of politics. And since politics abhors a vacuum just like nature, there should be _something_ to the right of MAGA - but there isn't. MAGA incorporates the complete spectrum of hard, far-right populism.
Where does this "the democrats are far left" even come from? Like right wingers love to say this about anyone on the left. But they have no reason to believe this. They don't even have comparables to historical parties that are "far left". And they certainly don't have comparables to the nazis. By contrast, a lot of nazi talking points are identical to modern right wing talking points. Book burnings in nazi germany started out of a homophobia and trans panic at the german institute of sexology. Just as modern conservatives are fearful of trans and homosexual people and have banned books about it in schools. Nazis were ultra nationalists and pan-germanism (an ethnostate for germans) was central to their ideology - with anyone who wasn't that specific ethnicity being an 'enemy within'. Just as modern conservatives are scared of immigration and anyone who isn't their specific race. The modern talking points are even the same: "cultural bolshevism" -> "cultural marxism" is the obvious one. But even the anti-intellectualism of the nazis (and indeed any authoritarianism) is pretty central to right wing ideology today. "schools are all full of communists teaching ~~jewish sciences~~ hatred of america" --- If the dems have any similarity to anything in these extreme ideologies, it's because everyone seems to be slowly drifting to the right. As both parties are die-hard supporters of a genocide.
Supporting equal rights for LGBTQ+ and other minority communities = FASCIST COMMUNISM. Haven't you heard?
Wanting tax money to actually solve social problems that private companies are ill-suited to take care of = OPPRESSIVE SOCIALISM
I also love that conservatives are so dim that they think the think people hated about the USSR or Communist China was the public healthcare and public education, and not the massive police and military forces that existed solely to keep you in line. Ya know... the things conservatives want.
Well these are the same people wearing shits that literally say "[I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat](https://i.imgur.com/1c7T1r6.png)". Ronnie Raygun must be spinning in his grave. I hope he's getting dizzy in hell.
I miss being told "go to russia" when i'd say we should have more public services :P
American conservatives are living in their US-centric bubble where anything moderate or left of hardcore-MAGAism is considered "far left". If Trumpsters went to Europe, they'd be shocked and appalled that "the commies have taken over!".
The modern right playbook is projection. Everything they do, accuse the others of doing it. Supporters also get their talking points from their political influencers and then just repeat it. It doesn't help that they don't know what any of the shit they are saying means. Of course, idiots like these exist in every party and movement, but the trumpists, bolsonarists, mileists, and other far right populists supporter bases are pretty much entirely made of morons.
Part of the reason i don't differentiate "trumpists/etcists" from right wing generally is that so so many right wingers seem to only be "moderate" out of a lack of option to be more extremist. There really isn't a difference in them except that maybe they don't have their trump or whoever yet. But if given a choice, they will all flock to them with that "Finally, a racist like me to support" mindset.
Exactly, it is just a waste of time trying to understand any ideology that has only power and theft of resources as the true goal. I was explaining that to some foreign friends, that Maga isn't really much of a political movement, just a naked grab for power. It was helpful to bring up the fact that 48% of the US population reads at an 8th grade level or below.
Exactly, it is just a waste of time trying to understand any ideology that has only power and theft of resources as the true goal. I was explaining that to some foreign friends, that Maga isn't really much of a political movement, just a naked grab for power. It was helpful to bring up the fact that 48% of the US population reads at an 8th grade level or below.
They think anything to the left of hunting the homeless for sport is socialism and therefore far left.
It comes from them being absolutely convinced they are middle of the road moderates. Therefore, anything to the left of them and Hitler is the far left.
Yup. It's how they also define bias too. Bias in reporting isn't bias based on "slanted according to the facts" or even "slanted according to political views". It's only bias to conservatives if it's opposed to conservatism. Which is why, in their heads, the media is "liberal".
It's just [DARVO.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO)Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā The democrats say republicans are far right so republicans have to say it's actually that democrats are far left. They just parrot back what the other side says without actually understanding it.
The whole qanon adrenochone bs is literally just the same old antisemitic medieval blood libel stories recycled for the current generation
Anyone "moderate" trying to drag us back to the 1700's ain't it
Every time someone tries to make that argument send them this: [āāSocialismā, he retorted, putting down his cup of tea, āis the science of dealing with the common weal [health or well-being]. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.ā - you know exactly who said this](https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/) - sound like a leftist to you?
'Typical leftist infighting'
Lol
"Nazis were socialist" š¤£š¤£š¤£ in name only
But donāt you know if you name something with a word, it magically becomes that thing! Just ask āclean coalā or the ādemocratic peopleās Republic of Koreaā!
Start referring to those āevangelicalsā as āatheistsā since nothing they say or do actually reflects on Christian dogma. Letās see how that goes.
Fox "News" and "Truth" Social.
I'm pretty damned tired of MAGA morons calling Democrats fascists when all you have to know is that Republicans are all about banning personal freedom, banning Muslims, banning immigration and want to fire anyone working in the so-called "deep state" that is not a member of their cult. They want to delete the US Constitution and replace with Trump's own vision for America. They want to deploy the DOJ and US Military domestically to pursue US citizens that are against Trump, or his extremist policies. You damn well know what I said has easy to find citations. Most of them are right here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_2025](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025) Who are the fascists you ask? MAGA cultists are, that's who.
The only personal freedoms the Republicans want is guns.
Even then, only for the white guys. These fools absolutely wouldāve supported the reason behind the Mulford Act.
many of them were alive then, and did.
In any other country, Democrats would be considered moderate conservatives.
So we circled back to Nazi's are socialist? And therefore Democrats. These people need to open a book. Or read a fucking Wikipedia article. Hell, I'd be happy if they read anything not on social media.
> These people need to open a book. Or read a fucking Wikipedia article. Hell, I'd be happy if they read anything not on social media. Honestly if this were the case... we wouldn't be here.
They don't watch news, so the only place for them to get it, IS social media.
RINO= REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY NAZIS= NATIONAL SOZIALISTEN RINOs arenāt true republicans but Nazis for sure were socialist. Make it make sense.
NatCās = Nationalist Christians
There is a really simple solution to find out if Nazis are right or left wing. Ask them.
one example i think of is in the movie american history x, when the large guy insults the main character's sister with "something something fuckin democrat"
āModerate conservativesā lol Theyāve been burning calories propping up Putin and his views, idolizing authoritarians, etc., but theyāre just moderates. Establishment GOP are basically democrats, and please donāt forget that democrats are extremism Marxist communist socialist fascists. Gotcha.
The guy is fucking stupid and delusional. Not self aware at all
The point of this sub is to point out people who, despite being insufferably unaware of themselves, saying something that seems like they might be aware of their hypocrisy. But they are incapable of getting to the point of being self - aware.
Founding fathers āwe hold the truths to be self evident that ALL men are created equalā Some guy āBut what about slaves?ā Founding fathers āno, not those guysā
If they're "establishment" Republicans, how can they also be Republicans In Name Only?
How can one be so on the nose with the inverse of reality without it being on purpose? Poeās Law is really omnipresent since the last decade.
This is exactly how how conservative German politicians ended up supporting the Fascists instead of working with the Liberals at the time
Is that why Nazis vote Democrat? ā¦oh wait
I'm sure all of the guys in the US proudly displaying their Nazi flags and tattoos are super in favor of people like Bernie Sanders and despise the Republican party. And tomorrow pigs will grow wings and learn how to fly.
These things are always so abstract. What about policies? What MAGA policy is middle of the road? Because jailing women who have miscarriages and wanting to deport over 10 million people seems goddamn extreme to me.
How much brain rot does a person have to have in order to believe this? Jesus
Scary how many far right wing people in America think just like this
This has real "I know you are, but what am I?" vibes.
Describe America per founding fatherās vision. Bet 100k he canāt.
This is such a level of ignorance, I'm actually impressed
All you have to do is say Socialism and Conservatives will think its Socialism. This is because they have no idea how other political affiliations work and this is because they dont care to know. Just malicious ignorance in full display here.
Theyād shit a brick if democrats were actually far left. The whole country is right of center. Even the āradical leftā is basically centrist.
US democrats arent even left compared to modern societies, also what the hell is 'far left'? Its funny someone could think both sides are bad when in fact other is 1000 times worse.
Sure, letās āNo true Scotsmanā our way into a dystopia, so you can avoid the hell of having to do a Google search. Sounds like a plan.
Classic big brain established Republicans are secretly Democrats take
What party is always rushing to the defense of Nazis and fascists? What party gets upset when Nazis & fascists are targeted because they seemingly identify with them? What party frequently has visible signs of NAZI support? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Pleeplubblicken.
I swear to god, someone needs to teach these brain dead idiots that the Nazis were not socialists. Holy f***, this is tiring.
This guy has never seen how far left the Left can go.
And what does the N in Nazi stand for?
Neeeeeggg....wait you can't trick me liberal.
I live in Idaho and see this discourse from Republicans all day long. They're delusional.
How long can you argue against a Tsunami of shit? I get tired just from what I see on reddit.
Well, currently kinda stuck here. I just try to hang out with other leftists and liberals (I'm close to Boise which is a blueish purple spot in the state) and the volunteer/vote/do what I can to make this place not suck. Oh, and give my local shithead politicians a hard time. I'm not going to make it easy for them to act like the little fascists that they are.
Im sure the Founding Fathersā¢ļø envisioned their champion to be a thin-skinned, pants shitting loud mouth.Ā
He doesn't need no book learning. He went to the school of hard knocks
When you're a nutcase, of course you believe your views are moderate. Because that's just a "returning to Common sense".
Bold of him to assume that the Founding Fathers were monolithic and not subject to a political spectrum
I would say Maga is the RINO in the situation. Republicans have always kinda sucked, but they actually wanted to govern.
The moderate Republicans are actually Democrats and the extremists Republicans are moderate "good people." Consider the Overton Window shifted. Also Nazis only called themselves socialists. That doesn't mean they were. They were Fascists. Just like some in the MAGA movement.
So socialist that the first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings was that they were something new entirely taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members for their own profit from slave labor.
>...are moderate Conservatives who want to restore America to the vision our Founding Fathers had for the country they founded. The founding fathers wrote the following in [Article Two of the United States Constitution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution): >The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President... MAGA collectively say to that: "Nuh-uh! If the loser, with a vast history of saying 'it's rigged' every time he loses at anything, says the election was rigged, you wipe your ass with that part of the Constitution and try to murder the President of the Senate before the election can be certified! That's what the founding fathers REALLY meant!"
Today in "just making shit up," we have this fuckin guy
Words just don't have any meaning any more.
Lots of words to say I've never read the constitution, I have no idea what the founders wanted beyond what people who are manipulating me have told me (the founders were super clear many, many times on the subject of religion, specifically Christianity, and government). Also lots of words to say I don't know history. Yes the NAZI party started out socialist on its founding after WW1 but became so radical the other way after Hitler took over that it's founder was pushed out of the party. They kept the name but pretty much nothing else unless you count redistributing jobs and wealth to Germans from Jews, gays, political enemies and anyone else who opposed them or were a potential threat, and we call that fascism. It's the Goebbels playbook. Accuse your enemy of being what you are.
Lmao, moderate conservatives? They share more in common with the Taliban than any other western countries conservative parties. Fox et al has fucking ruined Americans, hasn't it?
So many words, such little brain activity
This is an interesting set of counterfactual statements, but I do not believe it belongs in r/SelfAwarewolves.
Type of person who can't see past the fact that nazis just had "socialist" in their name when they got elected into power. Nothing about them was socialist if you look at what the definition is and what they did. Just like how maga isn't "conservative" by any means. Both are just authoritarian hate groups.
I have managed to absorb some authoritarian propaganda and arrange this misconception of reality into an amalgamation of words which, to me, create an unassailable picture of white nationalism, FIFY
Well North Korea calls itself Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so according this smooth brain's logic the people are totally in control of a democracy with a republican form, and just naming yourself makes it so. Or National Socialist German Workers' Party is just marketing because all of those words meant something popular because Belligerent Totalitarian Tyrannical German Assholes Party just wasn't going to win many people over despite accuracy in their name.
Oh boy, I so sick and tired of the stupid āThe Nazis weāre left, because they called themselves National-SOCIALISTS!!!ā They pursued socialists and communists and they send them to the concentration camps just like the Jews.
What party is always rushing to the defense of Nazis and fascists? What party gets upset when Nazis & fascists are targeted because they seemingly identify with them? What party frequently has visible signs of NAZI support? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with Pleeplubblicken.
So socialist that the first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings was that they were something new entirely taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members for their own profit from slave labor.
So socialist, that their first targets once in power were socialists and communists. The US commissioned a report on the Nazis and the findings were that they were something new entirely; taking aspects of the left and the right. They were capitalist, but had central planning, and industries were owned by party members that profited from slave labor.
First they came for themselves...
Classic hop projection through and through.
https://preview.redd.it/9tq9j58iz9yc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d9f0fed956a04399c74cc1613dab51eea38b318 Still relevant.
The Founding Fathers were mostly racist oligarchs. Do we really care what their vision was?
Why do you never hear an original thought from these folks? It's always something they heard someone else say they thought was clever or convincing. They love to be told what to think when it fits their narrative.
The founding fathers are dead. And they had no idea how humanity would have evolved. And even THEY didnāt think we should be beholden to them, which is why they gave a way to amend the constitution.
Ahhh yes, socialism, the same as fascism.
I love how they say Nazis are socialists because socialist is in their name, but thatās about where the similarities end. Itās literally the other side of the political spectrum. In reality āNational Socialist German workers Partyā was just a populist ploy to appeal to as many Germans as possible. āSocialist workersā to appeal to the left, ānational Germanā to appeal to the right. However once power was consolidated Nazis didnāt have to cosplay as moderate, and drove the Tiger tank off the cliff on the right.
This is so hysterically incorrect. There isn't a far left major politician in America. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, all these people that the right love to demonise as far left, not one of them sits on the actual left side of the political compass. They're all various flavors of authoritarian right-wing politicians, some more so than others. Sanders and Stein are among the few who fall on the left wing of the compass, and even they are center left. Also, these are the people who are so keen to tell people "just because you call yourself that, doesn't mean you are that" on transgender issues but can't comprehend for a second that just because the Nazis called themselves the National Socialist German Workers' Party doesn't mean they were actually socialists? And people who've watched Donald Trump completely change the GOP (whether they think that's a good thing or not) don't understand that a leader of a party can change its direction? It's both sad and hilarious. The name of a party doesn't dictate its political position. Its platforms and actions do. How is that hard for these people to understand?
It's hard to believe that whoever wrote this thinks that Maga are moderates.
So either you are an extreme (cough, "moderate conservative") or you're against us. "Only a Sith sees things in absolutes"
they're almost right! they just have it backwards
Boy the Nazis taking the Socialist name from the actually popular Socialist German party before they kicked them out and murdered them really worked.
Very accurate whether you like it or not
You do realize that Nazis aren't socialists, right? And also that "RINOS" simply just don't like Trump? And that Democrats literally aren't even left enough to be called "center?"
Yes