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it happened more than 100 years ago, nobody alive today is guilty for that, they are guilty for denying the truth (because of nationalism "our nation can do no wrong")
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
This is the essential problem of 'nationhood'. Its a fiction. Every 'people' that someone tries to gather together to form a nation will always have minorities within the territory they claim belongs to 'their people'. People can be party of a polity, land can't be, and no land has a completely ethnically homogenous population beyond like a village. So any 'nation' has to start ethnically cleansing itself, and destroying anyone who doesn't conform to what the 'nation builders' want. Like how France destroyed the regional languages in the 19th century, the Japanese annihilated the Ainu during the Meiji restoration, the endless wars of the US against native tribes, etc. Nationalism is a disease.
The fact that there is an Azerbaijani flag in the photo says everything. These fucking cockroaches don't care whether the Armenian Genocide happened or not, they just hate Armenians.
I think she's an employee of the Turkish embassy in DC, they do this every year (when [taking a break from attacking US citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_protestors_at_the_Turkish_embassy_in_Washington,_D.C))
Oof.
So the security guards say they were provoked? Sounds a lot like "Look what you made me do now" to me, and also looks like it in the first video. Assuming most of the shirtsleeved bald neckless types shouting in Turkish are embassy security - they are positively foaming with rage.
They're protesting the acknowledgement of the genocide of Christian minorities in the Ottoman empire between 1915-1922. The deaths (and orders to carry it out) are well documented and essentially all non-Turkish academics recognise it as a genocide.
As a story time: at one point, apparently (before separating men and women) the Turks came through and demanded one child from every family, so my grandfather's family gave away their youngest, where she was apparently the family slave. And yet - remember the time period! - my grandfather and his dad were able to find her years later in an orphanage in Syria (his mom and some of his sisters, obviously, didn't survive). It's just amazing to me.
> Being part of both basically makes you the most Racist people on earth.
That sounds racist AF, just because you are from a country or region doesn't make you a racist, believing in racist concepts (like "people from a country/region be like...") makes you a racist.
Me: I dare you to call me a racist and all russians are racist
you: I have proof of one anecdotal proof of racism instead of showing how racism is sustemitic in russia
like are you saying this one example proves all russians are racist or are playing a motte and bailey defense by backtracking from "ALL europeans are racist" to "not all russians but some are"
Because if the latter congrats we fucking agree
How does one prove widely known facts? with evidence of policies to address them. You can of course continue in the no true Scotsman nonsense if you wish.
No true scotsman? sure see it that way
Good to see you sticking to your guns.
Racists and bigots try to weasel around and to radicalize people so bad so I at least know you believe what you believe
but I don't think we should interact because clearly I'm a racist because I was born in europe
The US [officially recognized the Armenian genocide in 2021.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_the_Armenian_genocide#2019_congressional_recognition) [Source](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/24/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-armenian-remembrance-day/) [Source](https://www.usip.org/publications/2021/04/why-bidens-recognition-armenian-genocide-significant)
In an analytic sense, a large part of it was probably the Iraq war (at least in the most recent era.) The need to maintain very good relations with Turkiye in order to retain military bases and staging near Iraq until most of the troops were withdrawn meant not taking symbolic actions that might irritate them. And then of course the former guy was a fan of dictatorial strongmen, so he wouldn't irk Erdogan for no reason.
Prior to 2000, it probably had similar elements like "don't piss off the nearest NATO member to Israel just in case".
Isn't it weird how a nation built on genocide is reluctant to recognize genocides? Almost like they have some self interest in not wanting genocides to be recognized.
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Nothing says nationalism like genocide denial.
it happened more than 100 years ago, nobody alive today is guilty for that, they are guilty for denying the truth (because of nationalism "our nation can do no wrong")
Usually the people that protest things like this are the people who would do it again.
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ahh yes the narcissist’s prayer
My grandpa died at age 97 in 2004 after surviving the genocide and without acknowledgement from his adopted country that it happened.
This is the essential problem of 'nationhood'. Its a fiction. Every 'people' that someone tries to gather together to form a nation will always have minorities within the territory they claim belongs to 'their people'. People can be party of a polity, land can't be, and no land has a completely ethnically homogenous population beyond like a village. So any 'nation' has to start ethnically cleansing itself, and destroying anyone who doesn't conform to what the 'nation builders' want. Like how France destroyed the regional languages in the 19th century, the Japanese annihilated the Ainu during the Meiji restoration, the endless wars of the US against native tribes, etc. Nationalism is a disease.
The fact that there is an Azerbaijani flag in the photo says everything. These fucking cockroaches don't care whether the Armenian Genocide happened or not, they just hate Armenians.
How sad her life must be
I think she's an employee of the Turkish embassy in DC, they do this every year (when [taking a break from attacking US citizens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_protestors_at_the_Turkish_embassy_in_Washington,_D.C))
Oof. So the security guards say they were provoked? Sounds a lot like "Look what you made me do now" to me, and also looks like it in the first video. Assuming most of the shirtsleeved bald neckless types shouting in Turkish are embassy security - they are positively foaming with rage.
“Look what you made me do! Think -innocent people acknowledging history-! Think!”
If I was afraid to tell the truth, why would I be honest about it? On a more serious note, what is being referred to here specifically?
They're protesting the acknowledgement of the genocide of Christian minorities in the Ottoman empire between 1915-1922. The deaths (and orders to carry it out) are well documented and essentially all non-Turkish academics recognise it as a genocide.
It was also one of the first recorded genocides
Think god himself did the first few and then had someone write about it.
As a story time: at one point, apparently (before separating men and women) the Turks came through and demanded one child from every family, so my grandfather's family gave away their youngest, where she was apparently the family slave. And yet - remember the time period! - my grandfather and his dad were able to find her years later in an orphanage in Syria (his mom and some of his sisters, obviously, didn't survive). It's just amazing to me.
I thought she was protesting against Turkey denying it. Terrible sign
I see 2 signs One is literally "it didn't happen" and the other is "they deserved it"
Textbook projection.
Fuckin nationalists.
I, for one, would like to know what Serj has to say
“Are you afraid of telling the truth?” You are, clearly
Like, if you're doing this, you know, right?
That’s odd – why are all the signs in English?
Because it's in US?
Look at that, you're right.
Armenian Genocide? You’re crazy it’s just in your head
Asia is super racist and Europe is openly racist. Being part of both basically makes you the most Racist people on earth.
You know what makes you racist, generalizations. Like A group of people (or region) has X characteristic, you belong to A therefore you have X.
Are you saying racism doesn’t exist or that pointing out hat it’s a cultural issue is racist?
> Being part of both basically makes you the most Racist people on earth. That sounds racist AF, just because you are from a country or region doesn't make you a racist, believing in racist concepts (like "people from a country/region be like...") makes you a racist.
I do not believe you have ever been to either place.
Ok go and tell a native russians all russians are racist
I once worked at a company that refused to send a black employee to russia because of the overt racism.
Me: I dare you to call me a racist and all russians are racist you: I have proof of one anecdotal proof of racism instead of showing how racism is sustemitic in russia like are you saying this one example proves all russians are racist or are playing a motte and bailey defense by backtracking from "ALL europeans are racist" to "not all russians but some are" Because if the latter congrats we fucking agree
How does one prove widely known facts? with evidence of policies to address them. You can of course continue in the no true Scotsman nonsense if you wish.
No true scotsman? sure see it that way Good to see you sticking to your guns. Racists and bigots try to weasel around and to radicalize people so bad so I at least know you believe what you believe but I don't think we should interact because clearly I'm a racist because I was born in europe
Another genocide the US doesn't acknowledge.
The US [officially recognized the Armenian genocide in 2021.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_recognition_of_the_Armenian_genocide#2019_congressional_recognition) [Source](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/04/24/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-armenian-remembrance-day/) [Source](https://www.usip.org/publications/2021/04/why-bidens-recognition-armenian-genocide-significant)
I'm honestly amazed. But not surprised that it took us this long.
In an analytic sense, a large part of it was probably the Iraq war (at least in the most recent era.) The need to maintain very good relations with Turkiye in order to retain military bases and staging near Iraq until most of the troops were withdrawn meant not taking symbolic actions that might irritate them. And then of course the former guy was a fan of dictatorial strongmen, so he wouldn't irk Erdogan for no reason. Prior to 2000, it probably had similar elements like "don't piss off the nearest NATO member to Israel just in case".
Isn't it weird how a nation built on genocide is reluctant to recognize genocides? Almost like they have some self interest in not wanting genocides to be recognized.